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Re: So apparently the MSNBC boys feel burned (again) by Stewart
« Reply #60 on: November 05, 2010, 06:13:33 PM »
You have a right to donate to whomever (Sarah, correct usage?) you'd like, but that doesn't mean that MSNBC has to employ you. The Scarborough and Buchanan thing would only matter if they worked for MSNBC and had the same language in their contracts. Even then it may be up to the discretion of the employer if they enforced it? I could be completely wrong, but I think this is how it would be.
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Re: So apparently the MSNBC boys feel burned (again) by Stewart
« Reply #61 on: November 05, 2010, 07:39:56 PM »
You have a right to donate to whomever (Sarah, correct usage?)

Yep.

It appears that Scarborough made his donations before the policy went into effect.  And Buchanan could be exempt because he's a pundit-for-hire, not an employee.  Still, considering the network got where it is today by having a particular political slant, it seems fairly silly to enjoin employees from making personal donations to candidates for fear that it will make them seem unobjective.  In any case, once Politico reported on Olbermann's contributions, I would imagine MSNBC felt obliged to do something, since Fox would be baying for blood if nothing happened.  That's not to say there might not be more nefarious motives behind the suspension, of course, but there need not be.

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Re: So apparently the MSNBC boys feel burned (again) by Stewart
« Reply #62 on: November 05, 2010, 07:50:55 PM »
Saved me the trouble of unfollowing Keith.  He "shut the hell up."

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Re: So apparently the MSNBC boys feel burned (again) by Stewart
« Reply #63 on: November 05, 2010, 09:18:47 PM »
Sure, NBC can do whatever it wants.  But the airwaves are public property, and still they're completely dominated by corporations that basically churn out their own agendas with minimal regulation.  Same as the Wall Street bailout -- the banking system felt entitled to millions of taxpayer dollars (and for good reason, as there would have been another great depression if not for the bailout) but howled at the suggestion of any kind of new regulation, even if it would have been in their own long-term best interest.  It's the usual thing -- all big companies believe in socialism for themselves, libertarianism for everyone else (or for themselves, when it's convenient).   The same thing happened with health care, or with the various attempts to introduce public high-speed internet, as if profit was a god-given fucking right.  And really, I wouldn't mind giving true libertarianism a try -- go ahead and let corporations do whatever they want, but pull the plug on all the subsidies and legal favoritism they get -- except that isn't possible, at least not in the US.  This wouldn't bother me so much if, say, the broadcast media was more like internet, and you could tune in Democracy Now or Al-Jazeera alongside CNN, Fox, or the BBC.

Anyway, this is my problem with the argument that we have the right to free speech, but not the right to employment.  Everyone needs a job, so this pretty much means that the only people with the right to free speech in actual practice are the independently wealthy and a few tenured professors.  I don't give a shit about Olbermann personally, he'll be fine, but this pretty clearly sends a message about the acceptable range of discourse, whether it was intended to or not (from what I've read it had as much to do with office politics as any other kind of politics).

For the record, I don't think people should be fired or blacklisted for saying stupid racist things either.
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Re: So apparently the MSNBC boys feel burned (again) by Stewart
« Reply #64 on: November 06, 2010, 06:16:20 AM »
http://thinkprogress.org/?p=128695

This was done to appease to soon to be owners of NBC, Comcast. Headed by major fundraisers for Bush and the GOP, CEO Brian Roberts tacitly acknowledged that he would be open to interfering with the editorial content of MSNBC shows and with hosts like Keith Olbermann:

    Comcast is in line to acquire control of NBC Universal, once regulators sign off on the $30 billion deal. Mr. Chernin asked Mr. Roberts how he planned to handle daily editorial control of such an immense news operation. “Are you saying that you’ll never interfere?” he asked. Mr. Roberts blanched slightly at the question, which included a hypothetical situation that had Keith Olbermann, an MSNBC host, attacking a couple of Republican congressmen just as the approvals were being finished. “Let’s have that conversation in six months or 12 months,” Mr. Roberts said.

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Re: So apparently the MSNBC boys feel burned (again) by Stewart
« Reply #66 on: November 06, 2010, 07:36:48 AM »
I agree that broadcasters should be help to a different standard than other private companies, given the billions of dollars of free spectrum that they get to use for free, that could be put to other use. They don't really value their over-the-air viewers, but wastefully beaming signals into cities gives them particular statutory rights, and the network system is a means for powerful local affiliates to get a piece of the pie, even if "NBC" would make more sense as a cable network at this point. I am also involved with trying to stop the merger or get serious conditions put on it.  I think there are serious competition issues.

AND I think this is a dumb policy, for the reasons Sarah stated.

BUT I still don't see how a stated "our news guys can't make political donations" policy is outrageously bad. Stupid and ham-handed, sure.  Especially given that *GE/NBC itself* already makes contributions.

If they fired one of their secretaries or editors, that would be a different matter, and that's where I start to agree more with Grote.  But it's at least arguable that NBC has a valid interest in pretending to be "impartial" in its news coverage, however quaint that sounds today.  They would have gotten serious shit if they had failed to enforce their already-existing policy.

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Re: So apparently the MSNBC boys feel burned (again) by Stewart
« Reply #68 on: November 07, 2010, 10:41:48 PM »
Olbermann to return Tuesday
November 07, 2010 10:23 pm ET by Eric Boehlert

MSNBC President Phil Griffin made the announcement tonight:

After several days of deliberation and discussion, I have determined that suspending Keith through and including Monday night's program is an appropriate punishment for his violation of our policy. We look forward to having him back on the air Tuesday night.

MSNBC pulled Olbermann off the air on Friday after Politico reported the cable news host had donated $2,400 apiece to three Democrats and noted that "NBC has a rule against employees contributing to political campaigns."

The suspension though, drew bipartisan scorn.


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Re: So apparently the MSNBC boys feel burned (again) by Stewart
« Reply #69 on: November 07, 2010, 11:03:07 PM »
Good.

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Re: So apparently the MSNBC boys feel burned (again) by Stewart
« Reply #70 on: November 07, 2010, 11:29:19 PM »
A victory for Elder Menn everywhere.
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Re: So apparently the MSNBC boys feel burned (again) by Stewart
« Reply #71 on: November 07, 2010, 11:40:20 PM »
Olbermann to return Tuesday
November 07, 2010 10:23 pm ET by Eric Boehlert

MSNBC President Phil Griffin made the announcement tonight:

After several days of deliberation and discussion, I have determined that suspending Keith through and including Monday night's program is an appropriate punishment for his violation of our policy. We look forward to having him back on the air Tuesday night.

MSNBC pulled Olbermann off the air on Friday after Politico reported the cable news host had donated $2,400 apiece to three Democrats and noted that "NBC has a rule against employees contributing to political campaigns."

The suspension though, drew bipartisan scorn.

That is the best news I've read since Tom's return. Yaaay! The people have spoken. Now that I think of it, how awesome would it be having Tom hosting Countdown?

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Re: So apparently the MSNBC boys feel burned (again) by Stewart
« Reply #72 on: November 08, 2010, 12:13:49 AM »
Tuesday is sure to be Keith's biggest ratings.  One has to wonder...

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Re: So apparently the MSNBC boys feel burned (again) by Stewart
« Reply #73 on: November 08, 2010, 01:04:41 AM »
Maybe the repeat episodes after the live Best Show.

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Re: So apparently the MSNBC boys feel burned (again) by Stewart
« Reply #74 on: November 08, 2010, 11:57:02 AM »
Olbermann was never in any danger of being terminated, or even facing a long suspension. Ratings supersede all else. And, in that regard, Keith is MSNBC's breadwinner.

Personally, I don't have a problem with what he did. Olbermann is a political commentator, not a journalist. He isn't paid by MSNBC to disseminate facts. He's there to provide his own personal interpretation of current events. I expect Olbermann to be biased. As such, I don't believe that he should be held to the same standard that an actual journalist is expected to uphold.
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