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FOT Community => General Discussion => Topic started by: Sarah on July 02, 2007, 06:49:44 AM
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Just watched the first three episodes yesterday and enjoyed them very much (looking forward to viewing the fourth over breakfast today). Of course, it helps that I'm a sucker for magical realism. But I like hearing the cadences of Deadwood in the dialogue (though the obscenity/profanity is far less inventive), and I love the modern incarnation of Charlie Utter. Plus there is a great sweetness to the thing, which is rare in these cynical times.
Am I alone in my fondness?
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Just watched the first three episodes yesterday and enjoyed them very much (looking forward to viewing the fourth over breakfast today). Of course, it helps that I'm a sucker for magical realism. But I like hearing the cadences of Deadwood in the dialogue (though the obscenity/profanity is far less inventive), and I love the modern incarnation of Charlie Utter. Plus there is a great sweetness to the thing, which is rare in these cynical times.
Am I alone in my fondness?
You are not alone. People seem to be warming up to this show, even though the early critical response was that it was some kind of epic disaster and the worst thing HBO's ever aired (odd considering they aired Lucky Louie). It didn't help that it premiered after The Sopranos finale, and the pilot isn't that strong. I think people also forget that Deadwood didn't really take off until Wild Bill Hickock got popped (episode 4). People need to trust Milch!
Also: I hope Milch finds a spot for Gerri Jewell (http://www.hbo.com/deadwood/cast/actor/gerijewell.shtml) in J from C. She was so hilarious on Deadwood.
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Man oh manishevitz, that kid is a bad actor.
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the worst thing HBO's ever aired (odd considering they aired Lucky Louie).
Wait, whuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut?
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Yeah, but it doesn't matter too much, because it makes sense for him to be wooden and opaque, coming alive only when he's surfing/skateboarding.
I was more impressed by Rebecca de Mornay's extremely forced rage when she's yelling at Butchie in ep. 3. Also Barry's scenery biting in ep. 2 was a bit much. But I can be very forgiving of such flaws when I like a show overall. I was so damn pleased yesterday to find myself enjoying it. I'd been putting off watching it for fear that I wouldn't like it, which would have made me cry since I liked Deadwood so much.
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Well after Episode 6 thats it. The rumor is HBO is not happy with the show at all and are not ordering anymore
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Well, all I can say to that news is, "Thank God." I've been trying to give this show a chance, but it's been pure torture. When every scene appears to be weird for weird's sake with no understandable forward progression or hint that any of it will add up to anything that remotely makes any sense, the viewer can't help but feel frustrated. That's how I felt, anyway.
Does this mean Milch will be able to finish up Deadwood sooner? I hope so.
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Well, all I can say to that news is, "Thank God." I've been trying to give this show a chance, but it's been pure torture. When every scene appears to be weird for weird's sake with no understandable forward progression or hint that any of it will add up to anything that remotely makes any sense, the viewer can't help but feel frustrated. That's how I felt, anyway.
Does this mean Milch will be able to finish up Deadwood sooner? I hope so.
Powers Boothe said in a recent interview that the only window of opportunity for the cast to film those Deadwood wrap-up films was this summer, so unless they are filming now, it doesn't look good.
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Why the knocking of Lucky Louie is was actually funny unlike some other HBO shows from the past Arliss or that train wreck 4 old crows & the city
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Well after Episode 6 thats it. The rumor is HBO is not happy with the show at all and are not ordering anymore
Crap. I had a feeling this would happen but was hoping HBO would have the guts to give it more of a chance. Spoiled brats: they're too used to success.
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To be fair, this shit was marginally better than Carnivale.
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To be fair, this shit was marginally better than Carnivale.
Carnivale was good.
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Why the knocking of Lucky Louie is was actually funny unlike some other HBO shows from the past Arliss or that train wreck 4 old crows & the city
Lucky Louie was the opposite of funny. It was like some show that should have followed Married ... With Children on Fox circa 1990. Some flashes of promise, but mostly dire and unfunny. Pretty much a total misfire. I guess it was slightly better than Arli$$.
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I seriously doubt they'd cancel it midseason. That would be unprecedented for HBO, wouldn't it? I'm guessing they are probably feeling burned by Milch on this one though. Unfortunately they seem to be desperate for a huge hit and maybe less willing to take chances in the future.
I still have a lot of reservations about this show and I'd be just fine if they yanked it tomorrow, but last night's was my favorite episode so far even though it was fairly uneventful. Lots of weird, head-slapping Milchian dialogue. Everytime that kid opens his mouth it's a disaster though.
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Everytime that kid opens his mouth it's a disaster though.
What do you expect from a pro surfer.
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It'd be a shame if they didn't finish off the season. I can get used to sub-par performances: Robert Iler, Jamie Lynn-Sigler, and Steve Van Zandt were always awful, and never improved, but I got used to them. After a couple of seasons, they didn't completely take me out of the story the way they used to.
Then again, that the weaknesses of the JFC cast are found almost exclusively within the central family and the title character, it's not surprising to hear the show is probably screwed.
It's a bummer because Ed O'Neill and Luis Guzman were crushing it, son.
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Ed O'Neil is the only thing that is keeping my attention in the show.
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Ed O'Neill all the way, although now Charlie Utter and his sidekick Paul Ben-Victor from THE WIRE THE WIRE THE WIRE are proving to be entertaining.
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Thanks Chris L I knew I saw that guy on some other show and was just drawing a blank. The Greek rides again, bring on The Wire!
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This show SUCKS!!!! It is Lame
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So I watched about 2/3 of the first episode last night. I was thinking about it today, and was wondering: is the "John" guy supposed to be like an angel or god or something, and the Luke Perry character the devil or evil force?
I ask this because there was that opening scene where Luke Perry is like "I've been working on this family for 25 years" or something like that. Did the dad make a deal w/ the devil for surfing powers, but ended up with a bum knee and junkie son (which is what always happens in those deals)?
I'm probably not going to watch any more of this show, so it won't be spoiling it for me. Am I close?
Oh, and that junkie surfer: did they cross-breed Gary Busey with Sawyer from "Lost" or what?
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Now that's more like it! For the first time this feels like something I can get excited about, rather than watch out of obligation.
The Cissy/John scene was fantastic and sure as hell explains a lot. Just when I thought Milch's pet phrase "whipping [his] skippy" couldn't get any creepier.
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I lifted this from the AST board; my thanks to f34rfulsymmetry for posting it:
John Monad wrote:
"If my words are yours, can you hear my Father? Can Bill know my Father, keeping his eye on me? Can I bone Kai and Butchie know my Father instead?
"My Father's shy doing his business. Kai helps my Father dump out. Bill takes a shot. Shaunie is much improved.
"Joe is a Doubting Thomas. Joe will save Not-Aleman. Joe will bring his buddies home. This is how Freddy relaxes. Cup-o'joe, and Winchell's variety dozen.
"Mitch catches a good wave. Mitch wipes out. Mitch wipes out Cissy. Cissy shows Butchie how to do that. Cissy wipes Butchie out. Butchie hurts Barry's head. Mister Rollins comes in Barry's face. My Father runs the Mega-Millions.
"Fur is big. Mud is big. The stick is big. The word is big. Fire is huge. The wheel is huge. The line and circle are big. On the wall, the line and circle are huge. On the wall, the man at the wall makes a man from the circle and line. The man at the wall makes a Word on the wall from the circle and line. The Word on the wall hears my Father.
"The zeroes and ones make the Word in Cass's camera. In the Word on the wall that hears my-Father-in-Cass's-camera, the good one Mitch catches doesn't wipe Cissy out. In the-Word-that-hears-my-Father, Cissy shows Butchie something else. In-my-Father's-Word, Cissy shows Butchie in Shaun. In-my-Father's-Word, Tina raises Shaun at lunch. In Cass's-camera, Butchie lays the court out for Barry, and Mister Rollins watches, and he doesn't come on Barry's face. In Cass's-camera, Butchie knows Kai kept the faith. In-my-Father's-Word, the Wave lifts them up.
"In Cass's camera, Bill doesn't bump his head on the stairs. In Cass's-camera, as long as he's being stupid, Bill gives Lois a kiss.
"In His-Word-in-Cass's-camera, the Internet is big. Nine-Eleven is big, but not every towel-head is eradicated. In His-Word, We are coming Nine-Eleven-Fourteen.
"In my-Father's-Word, Bill sees how Freddy relaxes. In Cass's-camera, Ramon wants to know who's hungry, in the courtyard and Room Forty-Five.
"In my-Father's-Word-to-come-in-Cass's-camera, Doctor Smith calls Ocean Properties. In Cass's-camera-to-come, my Father stares Not Aleman down, and Freddy sees Bill much improved.
"You will not note my-Father's-Word, nor remember Cass's-camera, but you will not forget what we did here."
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it's official. no more john from cincinnati:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/08/14/television.john.reut/index.html
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it's official. no more john from cincinnati:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/08/14/television.john.reut/index.html
One of the worst kept secrets ever. I mean after ep 2 there were rumblings it was getting shit canned
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I don't get HBO
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Its over ;D
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It'd be a shame if they didn't finish off the season. I can get used to sub-par performances: Robert Iler, Jamie Lynn-Sigler, and Steve Van Zandt were always awful, and never improved, but I got used to them. After a couple of seasons, they didn't completely take me out of the story the way they used to.
I just saw this, but you're wrong: Robert Iler always did a great job at playing a surly teenager (once he turned into a surly teenager around season 3 or so), and he really blossomed in the last couple of years, especially those final 9 episodes. Steven Van Zandt was great with the comic relief stuff, and luckily (or purposefully) they didn't give him anything too dramatic. Jamie Lynn Sigler... well, she seems nice.
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I don't get HBO
I subscribe to HBO, but I just don't get it.
Dear HBO,
Please renew The Flight of the Conchords. C'mon, guys.
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I don't get HBO
I subscribe to HBO, but I just don't get it.
Dear HBO,
Please renew The Flight of the Conchords. C'mon, guys.
I also want Flight of The Conchords to stay but if they cancel LUCKY LOUIS why would this stay?
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Sorting through the hodge-podge of music I just imported from my old computer to the new, I came across "Johnny Appleseed" and gave it a listen. Made me want to watch John from Cincinnati again (I have a feeling I'll be one of the few people on the planet who will have done so) and reminded me to say that I'm very much looking forward to Milch's racing show.
That is all.
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I'm a gigantic Milch fan and I'm not sure I will ever watch it again.
But yeah, I can't wait for that racing show. I read the pilot script and heard him talk a lot about it and it could be great. Plus Dustin Hoffman, Ian Hart, Nick Nolte, Richard Kind etc.
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I lifted this from the AST board; my thanks to f34rfulsymmetry for posting it:
John Monad wrote:
Fire is huge.
I agree.