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FOT Community => General Discussion => Topic started by: Gilly on January 03, 2008, 10:24:16 PM
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Iowa's endorsement of Huckabee is a big blow to my idealistic view that the political landscape is actually changing. Come on Iowa. I'm embarrassed to be your neighbor.
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I couldn't agree more, Gilly. I don't believe this man is presidential material for this country at all. I'm surprised at the results, but I think in part it speaks to the weaknesses of other candidates in the Republican field.
I'm a proud native Iowan, now living in NYC, and have spent time in Iowa over the holidays, where I followed the campaign activities of the presidential candidates very enthusiastically. (I got to meet Obama in Fort Madison, Iowa!!)
I heard that about 330,000 people attended caucuses tonight in Iowa; there are 2.3 million or so eligible voters out of a state population of almost 3 million. It's a small segment of the population that will eventually vote in November '08. What I would point out is that this is the result of 114,000 or so Republican caucus-goers, not necessarily all Iowa Republicans, and the most active Republicans are disproportionately conservative and evangelical. Iowa is not really that much of a Bible belt state, though it certainly has a considerable strand of the population who fit that description. However -- the Republican party in Iowa, which used to be fairly moderate a generation or so ago, has become heavily influenced by the Christian right, beginning around the early '90s, when Pat Robertson came in second in the Republican caucus. That's the backbone of the Iowan Republican party to this day, and it's fortunately not really in step with the rest of the state, nor most of the rest of the country.
I don't think this fact has really been fully acknowledged by media coverage of the Iowa caucuses. I'd suggest that this result is fairly skewed, and not just because the demographics of Iowa are what they are, overwhelmingly white and older than the national average. I'd suggest that it's skewed because of who the most active Republicans in Iowa are in 2008. I also believe that it leaves the Republican presidential field pretty much open, and I'd look to New Hampshire and the "super-duper-Tuesday" states to see which candidate emerges as the front runner. If it's Huckabee, I'd say that Republicans are making a huge mistake.
By the way Gilly, which state are you from? It's great to hear from fellow Midwestern FOTs -- should we start a Midwest FOT caucus? (pardon the expression)
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so we all agree that Rudy should be president, right?
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Yeah, because it's still ALL ABOUT 9/11 and NOTHING ELSE!!!
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Sixty percent* of Americans believe that the everything in the Book of Revelations is going to happen. A good portion of those folks probably live in Iowa or something.
*This statistic was gakked from the issue of Radar that popped into my mailbox last week. Yeah, I subscribe. Yes, it will probably go under again before this year is out. I know.
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Sixty percent* of Americans believe that the everything in the Book of Revelations is going to happen. A good portion of those folks probably live in Iowa or something.
*This statistic was gakked from the issue of Radar that popped into my mailbox last week. Yeah, I subscribe. Yes, it will probably go under again before this year is out. I know.
What's equally terrifying is that a majority of Americans believe that the world was created as described in the book of Genesis, and that evolution is "just a theory," meaning that it's only a hypothesis, i.e., God created the world in six days and rested on the seventh. Lots of folks in Iowa and Florida believe this too. This would mean, as some wag suggested in the New York Times recently, that the world is only slightly older than Gene Hackman.
Mike Huckabee is not very popular with Wall Street and the Club of Growth (anti-tax) crowd. I think it will be important to see what happens to candidate Huckabee in the coming weeks. Will his candidacy provoke an even greater fight for the heart and soul of the Republican party? Where will the Republican "big money" start to line up? Or will the rank and file of the party start to really line up behind him? Remember, there are a good 20 states that are at least as conservative, evangelical and Republican as Iowa and probably more so. And if the rank and file start to get behind a candidate who is probably even more conservative and evangelical Christian than Bush, what will that mean for the general election? I think we would start to see an epic battle within the Republican party and probably the demise of the disproportionate influence that the Christian Right has had on the Republican party and the nation as a whole.
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Sixty percent* of Americans believe that the everything in the Book of Revelations is going to happen.
I'll say. There's lots of them out there. A few of them started this website: www.raptureletters.com (http://www.raptureletters.com)
After all, when the Rapture comes, your sinning family and friends have the right to know where you are.
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Sixty percent* of Americans believe that the everything in the Book of Revelations is going to happen. A good portion of those folks probably live in Iowa or something.
*This statistic was gakked from the issue of Radar that popped into my mailbox last week. Yeah, I subscribe. Yes, it will probably go under again before this year is out. I know.
What's important to remember is that the majority of these polls are taken from a sample of less than 600 people by firms that are usually looking to have numbers skew in a shocking direction. And some of them make it easy for us to sit back and think that the rest of America is filled with fundamentalist white trash nutcases. I'm not saying that things aren't grim, but these "polls" often serve as nothing more than an excuse to think of yourself as more evolved than the troglodytes in the sticks. Special interests don't just have a hold over government; they have a hold over every aspect of the media, down to the wide-spread societal perceptions they manufacture.
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Hey crybabies:
If you don't count the "uncommitted" slates that won the 1972 and 1976 Democratic caucuses, only two presidential candidates (excluding incumbents) have won Iowa and went on to win the presidency.
The most recent example was Texas Governor George W. Bush, who handily defeated publisher Steve Forbes in the 2000 Republican race. Bush went on to win the nomination and was elected that autumn.
And 1976, an unknown former governor of Georgia, Jimmy Carter came out of nowhere to beat Birch Bayh, propelling Carter to the nomination and the presidency.
But that's it. The only other Iowa caucus winners who went on to win the presidency were incumbents seeking re-election (and usually unopposed within their party), such as Ronald Reagan in 1984 and Bill Clinton in 1996.
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Sixty percent* of Americans believe that the everything in the Book of Revelations is going to happen. A good portion of those folks probably live in Iowa or something.
*This statistic was gakked from the issue of Radar that popped into my mailbox last week. Yeah, I subscribe. Yes, it will probably go under again before this year is out. I know.
What's important to remember is that the majority of these polls are taken from a sample of less than 600 people by firms that are usually looking to have numbers skew in a shocking direction. And some of them make it easy for us to sit back and think that the rest of America is filled with fundamentalist white trash nutcases. I'm not saying that things aren't grim, but these "polls" often serve as nothing more than an excuse to think of yourself as more evolved than the troglodytes in the sticks. Special interests don't just have a hold over government; they have a hold over every aspect of the media, down to the wide-spread societal perceptions they manufacture.
That reminds me, I love to ask people this question, and it will be interesting to do it on a broader spectrum. Have you ever been polled on anything having to do with a current presidential election? I've asked probably over a hundred people that question in the past year, and haven't found a person who's been polled yet.
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I've asked probably over a hundred people that question in the past year, and haven't found a person who's been polled yet.
From what I just read, you did poll them Beth. Unless you don't count yourself in which case maybe you have some self-esteem probs wanna talk about it?
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*... gakked ...
Is that a Miami Freudian slip?
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I've asked probably over a hundred people that question in the past year, and haven't found a person who's been polled yet.
From what I just read, you did poll them Beth. Unless you don't count yourself in which case maybe you have some self-esteem probs wanna talk about it?
I guess I mean officially, for the news. I can't say anything intelligent or witty right now, though. I'm hypnotized by the vertical stripes and the red faces.
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What family looks like that anyway? They can't be real. I think the dog is the scariest part though. I feel like I'm going to be sucked down to hell through its gaping mouth.
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Fido, I'm from Minnesota. Midwestern FOT's are rare unless they are from Chicago!
Putting it on the table, I'm a Christian that grew up in a Baptist home and I work for a religious radio station. I consider myself non-denominational but whatever. But, what confuses me most about the Christian right, Bush, Huckabee and all the rest is that they are running my faith through the mud and giving everyone the wrong idea of what being a Christian represents. What their supporters don't seem to understand is that non-Christians aren't just apathetic about Christianity now, they hate it with a passion. I really thought that people were starting to see through the Christian right's lies but today showed me that it's no better today than it was when Bush was elected. It's disgusting.
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What about the fact that "a black man with a 'Muslim' middle name won in 95% white Iowa"? There were twice as many Democrat voters than Republicans.
I can be pretty cynical, but this made me happy. Know when to be positive.
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Yeah, an African-American man winning the Iowa Caucus soundly is incredibly inspiring. And there were some 220,000 voters on the Democratic side (up from about 125,000 in 2004) but only 114,000 on the Republican side. It seems pretty clear that these Democratic candidates are a strong field and are giving people reasons to participate when they might have decided in the past to blow it off. The Republican attendance tonight looks anemic by comparison.
Gilly: I'm a Lutheran, and I feel like maybe you do -- that evangelical conservative Christian Republicans espouse a brand of Christianity that I find rather foreign. I don't get it. But indeed, Christianity has been conflated with conservative, evangelican Christian Coalition politics, and it's no wonder that a lot of people are completely turned off. The thing is -- they vote. Witness how well that worked out tonight in Iowa. And it should be a lesson for the Democrats (who I think have been learning what they need to do over the last few years).
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Huckabee's son is Uncle Buck? That's pretty cool.
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Huckabee's son is Uncle Buck? That's pretty cool.
Buck Melanoma... Mr. Mole...
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Huckabee's son is Uncle Buck? That's pretty cool.
Buck Melanoma... Mr. Mole...
Could someone with the technical skills please replace the Jimmy Dean sausage in that video with this picture? So then we can spread it virally? Puh-leeze?
I'm actually pretty psyched about the Iowa results. Any bad day for the political status quo is a good day in my book. Clearly the Obama thing is awesome (even though my poor sister, a congressional aide, is banking on a job in the Clinton White House). And maybe it's because in New York I deal with nasty insufferable rich people all the time but rarely encounter Christian bigots, but I'll take the true believer Baptists over the Club for Growth Repspublicans any day. I think - having lived under Giuliani and been arrested a couple of times - he's the most dangerous candidate in the field. I'm not naive enough to think that Huckabee really cares about the poor (how else are you supposed to run Arkansas), and it's disappointing that he's backed off of his "maybe let's not put all the immigrants in concentration camps" stance, but it demonstrates that even the most conservative voters are no longer particularly passionate about Reaganomics. Though we'll see what happens after February 5.
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More proof, as if we needed it, that vertical stripes can work only so much magic when it comes to slimming. And elbow patches? On a shirt? Can't let anyone who thinks this looks OK in the White House.
Completely seriously--my personal litmus test any more is the candidates' stance on evolution, it's first on my checklist. What's astonishing is that anyone in the races actually gets checked off--like Huckabee (Tancredo and Brownback slithered back into the ooze a while ago).
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One thing I think we also need to look at is why the Christian right exists. The U.S. has changed so much socially in the past 20 years and not in the direction most evangelical Christians approve of. It's only logical that they want to reverse that trend. I don't think a good portion of the people who vote for candidates like Huckabee actually want their religion to be mixed with politics but it's their only way to speak out against a country that's rapidly changing.
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One thing I think we also need to look at is why the Christian right exists. The U.S. has changed so much socially in the past 20 years and not in the direction most evangelical Christians approve of. It's only logical that they want to reverse that trend. I don't think a good portion of the people who vote for candidates like Huckabee actually want their religion to be mixed with politics but it's their only way to speak out against a country that's rapidly changing.
Xenophobia!
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I don't think it's a fear of people, it's fear of a foreign culture. I think a good majority of Americans feel out of place in the today's culture.
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Huckabee's "Mitt Romney" moment - his wife is clearly choking that dog to death!
Look at that! Just pinching his wind-pipe!
With a SMILE on her face!!
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Huckabee's "Mitt Romney" moment - his wife is clearly choking that dog to death!
Look at that! Just pinching his wind-pipe!
With a SMILE on her face!!
Sorry but animal cruelty is the son's specialty:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/suzy-shuster/huckabees-son-and-his-hi_b_77359.html
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Horrifying.
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Huckabee's "Mitt Romney" moment - his wife is clearly choking that dog to death!
Look at that! Just pinching his wind-pipe!
With a SMILE on her face!!
Sorry but animal cruelty is the son's specialty:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/suzy-shuster/huckabees-son-and-his-hi_b_77359.html
???
>:(
Jeez, Louise! I was just kidding, but... that's horrible!
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I bet it was the redheaded one. It always is.
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I'm going to guess a few of the presidential race permutations would play out:
Huckabee d. Obama
Clinton, Edwards d. Huckabee
Obama, Clinton, Edwards d. Romney (Supreme Court voids Dem victory, installs Romney)
Giuliani, McCain d. all Dems
Waterston d. Thompson
portrait of Reagan in cowboy hat d. Kucinich
Chuck Norris d. Huckabee in shocking betrayal
Terrorists d. America
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I'm going to guess a few of the presidential race permutations would play out:
Chuck Norris d. Huckabee in shocking betrayal
Terrorists d. America
I dunno... I think that if Huckabee was to defeat Chuck Norris, THEN the terrorists would truly have won.
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Chuck Norris d. Huckabee YouTube d. Ron Paul in shocking betrayal
Fixed.
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Giuliani positive despite weak campaign.
"None of this worries me - Sept. 11, there were times I was worried," Giuliani said.
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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/01/03/2008-01-03_giuliani_positive_despite_weak_campaign.html
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Giuliani positive despite weak campaign.
"None of this worries me - Sept. 11, there were times I was worried," Giuliani said.
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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/01/03/2008-01-03_giuliani_positive_despite_weak_campaign.html
Surely even the guy I just saw with the giant "Rudy" sticker on his Escalade is starting to wonder...
No?
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Chuck Norris' teeth outshine the sun.
That's not one of those played "Chuck Norris..." memes - it's a factual statement. And it's extraordinarily disturbing.
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Giuliani positive despite weak campaign.
"None of this worries me - Sept. 11, there were times I was worried," Giuliani said.
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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/01/03/2008-01-03_giuliani_positive_despite_weak_campaign.html
Wow. I guess The Onion's story, Giuliani To Run For President Of 9/11 (http://www.theonion.com/content/news/giuliani_to_run_for_president_of_9), is not that far off. Try harder, Onion guys.
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Rudy OWNS 9/11. He's already won the presidency of 9/11. (Even though it's only because he was the lame duck mayor when the evil went down.) He's President-for-Life of 9/11. The Onion made the right call in this case, even if it was an exceedingly obvious concept.
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I am late to this thread but I am one of the other non-Chicago midwestern folks on here and I think Huckabee winning makes things worse for the GOP because it shows how fractured their party is. He won't finish very high in NH and there is no way he would even compete for pres. The GOP doesn't have a candidate that they can really get behind. McCain is Bob Dole 2, Rudy will never get the christian right, Romney has an even harder time as a mormon, Ron Paul is still in the race and making the rest of them look stupid even though he is a nutjob himself, and I am sure I am forgetting someone but they are not very memorable. I think the Dems are voting for Obama partially because the GOP has only one weapon and that is Hillary. If she gets the nomination, there will be a ton of people who will go out to vote against her.
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I don't think I would cry if McCain magically won the presidency. I can't say the same for the other Republican candidates.
I met a Ron Paul supporter yesterday. He's really into drag racing, small Japanese cars with big rear spoilers, and guns. Yeah, I think I'll do my best to avoid that fellow.
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I met a Ron Paul supporter yesterday. He's really into drag racing, small Japanese cars with big rear spoilers, and guns fiscal responsibility.
FIXED!
It was a joy to see him on the Republican debate. Watching everyone else have to deal with a person with an actual policy standpoint (albeit a nutty one) rather than "I hate gays and Mexicans and abortion rights" was refreshing.
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I met a Ron Paul supporter yesterday. He's really into drag racing, small Japanese cars with big rear spoilers, and guns. Yeah, I think I'll do my best to avoid that fellow.
I think you're kind of joking, but this Ron Paul supporter isn't into anything remotely close to those things. But, I think people have constitutional rights as well and our country is in a big mess right now because of rights being taken away.
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I'm actually not joking. This guy is a bank teller at the branch adjacent to my* building. He loves guns, and he hates Jews. I said, "Dude, why wouldn't you vote for a Jew? What's your problem with them?" He asked me if I had forty minutes. I said, "No thanks!" I did mention that I'm half Jewish, and he said, "So am I?" I asked him if he's Jewban, because that is a fun word to say. Apparently, his paternal grandfather is Jewish, so he can hate on Jews freely. This person exists!
"President Paul" does not strike as much fear into my heart as "President Romney" or "President Huckabee," but his anti-choice beliefs unnerve me. I'll give him this much, though: He was one of the eleven (out of 216] Republicans who voted against the [url=http://www.aclu.org/reproductiverights/youth/12588prs20050413.html]Child Interstate Notification Act (http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2005/roll144.xml). Good for him.
I also don't like that Ron Paul voted for amendments prohibiting funding for same-sex and common law marriage adoption. I volunteered as a Guardian ad Litem for abused an neglected children and worked with teens who were on the verge of "aging out" of foster care, so I've seen how incredibly fucked up the foster care system on kids.
And another thing he supported the Marriage Protection Act (http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul197.html). Fuck you, Ron Paul.
I changed my mind. I think I would be just as upset if -- and this is a huge fucking if in blinking red lights, so IF -- we were stuck with four years of Prez Paul. Barf.
*I don't own it, I just work on one of its 55 floors, okay?
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I'm with Laurie on this one.
Many great Libertarian ideas, but did anybody see this: http://www.tnr.com/talkback.html?id=74978161-f730-43a2-91c3-de262573a129 (http://www.tnr.com/talkback.html?id=74978161-f730-43a2-91c3-de262573a129) today? Some selections below...
Since at least 1978, Ron Paul has attached his name to a series of newsletters--Ron Paul's Freedom Report, Ron Paul Political Report, The Ron Paul Survival Report, and The Ron Paul Investment Letter--that frequently made outrageous statements:
An October 1990 edition of the Political Report ridicules black activists, led by Al Sharpton, for demonstrating at the Statue of Liberty in favor of renaming New York City after Martin Luther King. The newsletter suggests that "Welfaria," "Zooville," "Rapetown," "Dirtburg," and "Lazyopolis" would be better alternatives--and says, "Next time, hold that demonstration at a food stamp bureau or a crack house."
The June 1990 issue of the Political Report says: "I miss the closet. Homosexuals, not to speak of the rest of society, were far better off when social pressure forced them to hide their activities."
In an undated solicitation letter for The Ron Paul Investment Letter and the Ron Paul Political Report, Paul writes: "I've been told not to talk, but these stooges don't scare me. Threats or no threats, I've laid bare the coming race war in our big cities. The federal-homosexual cover-up on AIDS (my training as a physician helps me see through this one.) The Bohemian Grove--perverted, pagan playground of the powerful. Skull & Bones: the demonic fraternity that includes George Bush and leftist Senator John Kerry, Congress's Mr. New Money. The Israeli lobby, which plays Congress like a cheap harmonica."
Or this last week: http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/14021.html
Another selection...
The Politico’s Jim VandeHei opened it up to the stage: “I’m curious, is there anybody on the stage that does not agree, believe in evolution?” The camera didn’t show the 10 candidates for very long, but three would-be presidents raised their hand: Sam Brownback, Mike Huckabee, and Tom Tancredo.
At the time, I was torn. Was it good news that seven in 10 Republican presidential candidates accept scientific reality, or was it bad news that three in 10 presidential hopefuls reject the foundation of modern biology?
As it turns out, though, there was one more evolution-denier on the stage who, for whatever reason, didn’t raise his hand at the time. Ron Chusid directed me to this Ron Paul video, posted to YouTube last week. Here’s the key exchange:
Audience member: I saw you in one of the earlier debates, all of the candidates were asked if they believe the theory of evolution to be true and they had a show of hands, but I didn’t see which way you voted, and I was wondering if you believe it to be true, and should it be taught in our schools.
Paul: First, I thought it was a very inappropriate question, you know, for the presidency to be decided on a scientific matter. And I, um, I think it’s a theory, theory of evolution, and I don’t accept it, you know, as a theory…. I just don’t think we’re at a point where anybody has absolute proof, on either side.
Yes, in 2007, 10 Republicans were running for president, and four of them reject modern biology.
Thanks, but no thanks.
You scare me, Ron Paul.
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I think a drastically progressive candidate is just as bad as a drastically conservative candidate right now because of how polarized America has become. By electing any of the big six candidates we effectively alienate half of America and I'm sick of living in that kind of a world. The country needs to come to a compromise and get the economy back in shape. I really think that involves putting social issues on the back burner for a little bit, getting out of Iraq and putting a fiscal conservative in office and Ron Paul is the only guy who'd be able to do all three of those things. He doesn't have enough control in Senate to push social issues, he wants to get out of Iraq as quickly as possible and most importantly he has very good ideas to fix the economy. He makes sense to me.
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"Newsletter? Whuuuuut?"
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I think a drastically progressive candidate is just as bad as a drastically conservative candidate right now because of how polarized America has become. By electing any of the big six candidates we effectively alienate half of America and I'm sick of living in that kind of a world. The country needs to come to a compromise and get the economy back in shape. I really think that involves putting social issues on the back burner for a little bit, getting out of Iraq and putting a fiscal conservative in office and Ron Paul is the only guy who'd be able to do all three of those things. He doesn't have enough control in Senate to push social issues, he wants to get out of Iraq as quickly as possible and most importantly he has very good ideas to fix the economy. He makes sense to me.
First of all, Ron Paul IS a drastically conservative candidate - socially AND fiscally. Second, I don't think social issues should EVER have to be put on the back burner, but if he doesn't have enough control in the senate to push social issues, what makes you think he has the control to "fix the economy?"
warning - impending hyperbole: You know who else put social issues on the back burner to focus on getting the economy fixed? Weimar Germany.
That's right - I said it.
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As I tell my old man, we'll debate six percentage points in income tax the second people aren't getting killed over a war started over faulty intelligence and imperialistic fantasies. The fact that the economy is the number one issue in exit polls makes me want to vomit. You want lower taxes? Not starting endless bullshit wars that cost hundreds of billions of dollars that only serve to destabilize an entire region of the globe would be a good way to cut costs. I don't even consider myself a fiscal liberal, but anyone that still thinks this war is righteous should be required to get their fat ass up, pony up as much as they can afford to 'protect our freedom' and put their cellulite in range of every suicide bomb to ensure the safety of our guys and gals over there that fight for these boobs' right to laze around in their gated communities. Y'know...just my opinion.
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As I tell my old man, we'll debate six percentage points in income tax the second people aren't getting killed over a war started over faulty intelligence and imperialistic fantasies. The fact that the economy is the number one issue in exit polls makes me want to vomit. You want lower taxes? Not starting endless bullshit wars that cost hundreds of billions of dollars that only serve to destabilize an entire region of the globe would be a good way to cut costs. I don't even consider myself a fiscal liberal, but anyone that still thinks this war is righteous should be required to get their fat ass up, pony up as much as they can afford to 'protect our freedom' and put their cellulite in range of every suicide bomb to ensure the safety of our guys and gals over there that fight for these boobs' right to laze around in their gated communities. Y'know...just my opinion.
Agreed - and to be fair, I think Ron Paul agrees with that, too.
I like your cellulite idea though - maybe we could build the Mexican border wall out of it, also.
Would YOU want to try and climb "over" that?
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I agree that the economy sinking into oblivion is completely the fault of how our current government has chosen to spend its money, but it also is an issue that can't be put on the back burner to the war, seeing how it's kind of a cause and effect thing. Whoever it is that wins the White House is going to have a royal mess on their hands. People are losing their homes, soaring gas prices are making everything more expensive, and hourly wages are NOT being adjusted for inflation. It's important to remember that a bad economy affects the poor as well.
Living in rural America, I see and feel the effects of a crumbling economy every day, and its making life for me and for everyone else much more expensive and difficult. I believe that it can be resolved, but it is nonetheless an issue that needs to be addressed. My number one issue is still war spending, but since the economy is a part of that, it should be included somewhere.
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Getting back to the thread's original topic, it looks like New Hampshire didn't like Huckabee nearly as much as Iowa, though I really have no idea what any of this really means as far as the candidates likelihood of ultimate success. The electoral college and our entire voting system are in my hate pit. Ugh.
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I don't think I'm going to win any political argument here since it seems the majority of the community are hardcore liberals. I have no beef with that, I just am fiscally conservative and that's the most important thing to me right now along with the war. Socially, I tend to be progressive, but I do have my hang-ups with abortion (and I'm not going to get into that...I think I'm pro-choice but it disgusts me at the same time that I feel that way). My big problem is that Republicans are not voting for Paul. Most people who vote conservative only do so because of their morals and have nothing to gain in what the Republican product sells. Paul allows them to vote on their morals and do what's best for them financially. That's what really bugs me.
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I don't think I'm going to win any political argument here since it seems the majority of the community are hardcore liberals. I have no beef with that, I just am fiscally conservative and that's the most important thing to me right now along with the war. Socially, I tend to be progressive, but I do have my hang-ups with abortion (and I'm not going to get into that...I think I'm pro-choice but it disgusts me at the same time that I feel that way). My big problem is that Republicans are not voting for Paul. Most people who vote conservative only do so because of their morals and have nothing to gain in what the Republican product sells. Paul allows them to vote on their morals and do what's best for them financially. That's what really bugs me.
Well, all we're really arguing about is Ron Paul. But trust me - my life is a constant friction between Socialist dreams and a FIERCE Libertarian individualism (does that make me a Chomskyite Anarchist - Libertarian Socialist? Maybe so...) - I don't think I am a "hard-core Liberal" in the way that these words tend to play out in our current level of political discourse, but I despise what the Republican party is: socially conservative and fiscally liberal. Ron Paul is only "revolutionary" in context. And no matter what, I can NOT shake the idea that he's a racist, homosexual hating, science denying MEDICAL DOCTOR (help me understand that one), and no matter how smart his fiscal policy may be (and getting rid of the FED in favor of bimetallism is not that smart, in my opinion, nor is the free market alone, in any way shape or form, EVER going to take power back from all of the "elitist cartels" he talks about, and put it into the hands of the people), I will not give my support to someone - the proposed leader of our country - who feels that way about what we're actually demeaning in this discussion by calling "social issues" - thinking, empathy, evidence, humanity, openness - not just "social issues," and how one thinks of them says buckets more about who one is than how one feels about a return to the gold standard.
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I forgot to mention one more thing about the Ron Paul fan I met yesterday. Let me preface this by saying that I'm not trying to imply that he's representative of Ron Paul backers, as he's the only one I've actually met in person. I just think it's an astonishing example of willful ignorance and felt compelled to share.
So, this fellow -- let's call Sunny D -- is going on and on about Ron Paul. I ask him why he likes him. He brings up the right to bear arms bullshit, so I ask him to go on. He moves onto the GOLD STANDARD (http://meganmcardle.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/09/theres_gold_in_them_thar_stand.php) issue. He thinks it's important to go back to the gold standard since we're borrowing money from China. I tell him we wouldn't have to do that if the asshole currently shitting all over the floors of the White House didn't get us into this clusterfuck in Iraq. (I didn't use such colorful language, but that's the gist of what I said.) He says, "Whatever, we're in it, it happened," and I consent, because if wishes were horses, I would have a pony named Pickles. He starts to go into how we're borrowing money from a Communist country, so I say, "It's not so whitewashed. They're investing in our economy through our economy." He butts in with this charming non-sequitur: "Didn't we bomb China? Twice?!" I tell him, "No, that was Japan." He says, "WHATEVER! SAME THING!" I should have asked him how he felt about That Guy from Idaho calling all Latin Americans "Mexicans," regardless of their heritage. I didn't. I was taken aback by his willful racism.
Thus ends my Sunny D anecdotes. My department's teller is back from vacation, so I won't be seeing this guy anytime soon.
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I forgot to mention one more thing about the Ron Paul fan I met yesterday. Let me preface this by saying that I'm not trying to imply that he's representative of Ron Paul backers, as he's the only one I've actually met in person. I just think it's an astonishing example of willful ignorance and felt compelled to share.
So, this fellow -- let's call Sunny D -- is going on and on about Ron Paul. I ask him why he likes him. He brings up the right to bear arms bullshit, so I ask him to go on. He moves onto the GOLD STANDARD (http://meganmcardle.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/09/theres_gold_in_them_thar_stand.php) issue. He thinks it's important to go back to the gold standard since we're borrowing money from China. I tell him we wouldn't have to do that if the asshole currently shitting all over the floors of the White House didn't get us into this clusterfuck in Iraq. (I didn't use such colorful language, but that's the gist of what I said.) He says, "Whatever, we're in it, it happened," and I consent, because if wishes were horses, I would have a pony named Pickles. He starts to go into how we're borrowing money from a Communist country, so I say, "It's not so whitewashed. They're investing in our economy through our economy." He butts in with this charming non-sequitur: "Didn't we bomb China? Twice?!" I tell him, "No, that was China." He says, "WHATEVER! SAME THING!" I should have asked him how he felt about That Guy from Idaho calling all Latin Americans "Mexicans," regardless of their heritage. I didn't. I was taken aback by his willful racism.
Thus ends my Sunny D anecdotes. My department's teller is back from vacation, so I won't be seeing this guy anytime soon.
Was the second China supposed to be Japan?
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I forgot to mention one more thing about the Ron Paul fan I met yesterday. Let me preface this by saying that I'm not trying to imply that he's representative of Ron Paul backers, as he's the only one I've actually met in person. I just think it's an astonishing example of willful ignorance and felt compelled to share.
So, this fellow -- let's call Sunny D -- is going on and on about Ron Paul. I ask him why he likes him. He brings up the right to bear arms bullshit, so I ask him to go on. He moves onto the GOLD STANDARD (http://meganmcardle.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/09/theres_gold_in_them_thar_stand.php) issue. He thinks it's important to go back to the gold standard since we're borrowing money from China. I tell him we wouldn't have to do that if the asshole currently shitting all over the floors of the White House didn't get us into this clusterfuck in Iraq. (I didn't use such colorful language, but that's the gist of what I said.) He says, "Whatever, we're in it, it happened," and I consent, because if wishes were horses, I would have a pony named Pickles. He starts to go into how we're borrowing money from a Communist country, so I say, "It's not so whitewashed. They're investing in our economy through our economy." He butts in with this charming non-sequitur: "Didn't we bomb China? Twice?!" I tell him, "No, that was China." He says, "WHATEVER! SAME THING!" I should have asked him how he felt about That Guy from Idaho calling all Latin Americans "Mexicans," regardless of their heritage. I didn't. I was taken aback by his willful racism.
Thus ends my Sunny D anecdotes. My department's teller is back from vacation, so I won't be seeing this guy anytime soon.
Can't you just BUY a pony and name it "Pickles?"
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I forgot to mention one more thing about the Ron Paul fan I met yesterday. Let me preface this by saying that I'm not trying to imply that he's representative of Ron Paul backers, as he's the only one I've actually met in person. I just think it's an astonishing example of willful ignorance and felt compelled to share.
So, this fellow -- let's call Sunny D -- is going on and on about Ron Paul. I ask him why he likes him. He brings up the right to bear arms bullshit, so I ask him to go on. He moves onto the GOLD STANDARD (http://meganmcardle.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/09/theres_gold_in_them_thar_stand.php) issue. He thinks it's important to go back to the gold standard since we're borrowing money from China. I tell him we wouldn't have to do that if the asshole currently shitting all over the floors of the White House didn't get us into this clusterfuck in Iraq. (I didn't use such colorful language, but that's the gist of what I said.) He says, "Whatever, we're in it, it happened," and I consent, because if wishes were horses, I would have a pony named Pickles. He starts to go into how we're borrowing money from a Communist country, so I say, "It's not so whitewashed. They're investing in our economy through our economy." He butts in with this charming non-sequitur: "Didn't we bomb China? Twice?!" I tell him, "No, that was JAPAN." He says, "WHATEVER! SAME THING!" I should have asked him how he felt about That Guy from Idaho calling all Latin Americans "Mexicans," regardless of their heritage. I didn't. I was taken aback by his willful racism.
Thus ends my Sunny D anecdotes. My department's teller is back from vacation, so I won't be seeing this guy anytime soon.
Was the second China supposed to be Japan?
Yes, I fixed it. I ruined my anecdote by typing too quickly. :(
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The electoral college and our entire voting system are in my hate pit. Ugh.
(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m1/theimann/bodysnatchers.jpg)
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Yeah, Laurie, therein lies my problem with Ron Paul, which is namely the contingent of militia-nut whack-jobs who love the guy (I don't mean you, Gilly, reasonable people like him too). I've had experiences similar to Laurie's and even cut a friend loose because I couldn't stand it anymore (he was like this long before Ron Paul).
Basic libertarianism sounds appealing on paper - who likes to deal with the government? But Adam Smith was writing about a pre-industrial economy. Every large economy since a little while after industrialization has been Keynesian (that is, the government intervenes to redistribute wealth). It doesn't matter what they call themselves - Social Democratic, capitalist, Communist, fascist. The problem with libertarian conservatism is that, like Soviet Communism, it's largely impossible in practice. So instead what you get is what we have with the Bush administration, that is, military Keynesianism that costs some insane amount of money, like billions a day, huge deficits, a devalued dollar, and massive cuts to the federal government - but instead of these cuts resulting in a smaller, more efficient government, it's resulted in a privatization scheme wherein millions of our tax dollars are funneled to well-connected contractors who aren't accountable at all. It's like they took the playbook from the collapse of Rome.
Anyway, I doubt the ability of any elected leader to solve the mess we're in, but it's also naive to say that it doesn't matter at all.
And Forrest, I wouldn't be so hard on the people putting the economy first - a lot of people have been living off of their home equity because it's so hard to get a living wage anymore and now they're losing their homes. It's not just the assjerks with Hummers.
And Laurie, I stand should-to-shoulder with you in the struggle against dangerous racist creeps even though Supergirl is from fucking Argo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argo_City).
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And Forrest, I wouldn't be so hard on the people putting the economy first - a lot of people have been living off of their home equity because it's so hard to get a living wage anymore and now they're losing their homes. It's not just the assjerks with Hummers.
You're right, Jasongrote, and I realize there are countless people who are barely getting by or not at all. My point was that the economy could probably be a bit more robust if we would eschew insane and deadly foreign excursions like the one we're involved in now. Also, the Mitt Romneys of the world (and I do know he's only one for three so far) have a base because of the appeal to the lavishly wealthy, many of whom I have known to be more concerned with tax margins than massive military blunders. I get very fired up about this, I realize, and I see that I lean too heavily on an anecdotal argument. And I DO NOT mean to offend any right-leaning folks on here; I do know how to separate a true ideological conservative from someone like our current president.
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Well, yeah, you're right that it's all connected. It's more like these polls tend to lump people together in a really sloppy way, like the "values voters" of 2004.
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Jason, I conceded in chat that I was wrong about Argo City. :-* I am much more knowledgeable about Gotham City.
Just for clarification, this Sunny D fellow I mentioned is Cuban. He hates Jews and "the Chinese." Racism: It's not just for white folks.
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I know, Laurie, I was just razzin' ya. I put in a wink emoticon but I just couldn't bear it so I took it back out again. Someday we'll have to have a nerd-off.
As a Jewish guy who has lived much of his life in Hispanic neighborhoods, there seems to be a weird Latin American tradition of casual antisemitism that nobody takes very seriously. The few times it's popped up it's usually disavowed and apologized for right away. I chalk it up to a culture where a lot of people grow up learning that Jews are Christ-killers but rarely encounter any. There is a fairly significant history of Cuban Chinese, though - they even have a cuisine.
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I am an idiot if the only thing in the whole thread that I understood or cared about was the comic book references?
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Argo City, Colin! Am I right? Now where's Wes, I want to talk about which way the Immortal City of K'un L'un is going in the primaries, which are decided by superhero martial arts tournaments. My money's on Fred Thompson.
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Argo City, Colin! Am I right? Now where's Wes, I want to talk about which way the Immortal City of K'un L'un is going in the primaries, which are decided by superhero martial arts tournaments. My money's on Fred Thompson.
I just hope they get a cameo in the new Iron Fist movie starring Andy Milonakis
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I heard about that. Isn't the guy from Good Burger playing Luke Cage?
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Argo City, Colin! Am I right? Now where's Wes, I want to talk about which way the Immortal City of K'un L'un is going in the primaries, which are decided by superhero martial arts tournaments. My money's on Fred Thompson.
I'm more concerned about Nanda Parbat. You know what they say about Nanda Parbat. "As Nanda Parbat goes, so goes the multiverse."
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And Forrest, I wouldn't be so hard on the people putting the economy first - a lot of people have been living off of their home equity because it's so hard to get a living wage anymore and now they're losing their homes. It's not just the assjerks with Hummers.
You're right, Jasongrote, and I realize there are countless people who are barely getting by or not at all. My point was that the economy could probably be a bit more robust if we would eschew insane and deadly foreign excursions like the one we're involved in now. Also, the Mitt Romneys of the world (and I do know he's only one for three so far) have a base because of the appeal to the lavishly wealthy, many of whom I have known to be more concerned with tax margins than massive military blunders. I get very fired up about this, I realize, and I see that I lean too heavily on an anecdotal argument. And I DO NOT mean to offend any right-leaning folks on here; I do know how to separate a true ideological conservative from someone like our current president.
Most people who are concerned with the economy aren't wealthy. The issue should really be divided into two categories rather than one all-encompassing category. It should be "People who are concerned about protecting their riches" and "People who are concerned about paying their bills". They are two separate issues but they both get lumped into the same debate.
Is anyone else surprised (with how polarized our nation has become) that we haven't seen a legitimate candidate with a fiscally liberal, socially conservative platform? Impossible?
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I just wanted to say that I'm very proud of my brother. He's going to work on the Obama campaign now. YAY! Here's hoping he has a job until November! At the very least!
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I find it comical that anyone thinks that any politician is any more or less a bag of shit than any other politician in Washington, regardless of which side of the aisle they sit.
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I find it comical that anyone thinks that any politician is any more or less a bag of shit than any other politician in Washington, regardless of which side of the aisle they sit.
As perfectly illustrated in the 2000 election!
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Is anyone else surprised (with how polarized our nation has become) that we haven't seen a legitimate candidate with a fiscally liberal, socially conservative platform? Impossible?
It depends - do you consider Huckabee, Romney, McCain, and Giuliani "legitimate candidates?"
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Alright, fiscally progressive. A candidate who will appeal to evangelical voters without screwing them over financially.
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I find it comical that anyone thinks that any politician is any more or less a bag of shit than any other politician in Washington, regardless of which side of the aisle they sit.
Comical, or sad? These elections always turn out to be a case of "which rhetoric speaks to me the most" or, even more so, "which lesser evil has the best chance of beating the greater evil?" Almost every campaign promise turns out to be empty -- something I realized a long time ago -- but there is still that part of me that always makes me vote, as I have done in every election since I have been legally able to do so. (Edited to reduce depression content.)
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I have a silly question. Am I terribly naïve for thinking that Obama seems - and might actually be! -- more genuine than the other candidates?
Oh, one more Sunny D tidbit. He also said, "Evolution is just a theory!" I fucking hate that. Of course it's a motherfucking theory. Did he take a single science class in high school? For that matter, MIDDLE SCHOOL? I told him that relativity is just a theory, but he didn't know what that was. :'(
Okay, no more. I promise.
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I have a silly question. Am I terribly naïve for thinking that Obama seems - and might actually be! -- more genuine than the other candidates?
I was skeptical of Obama for awhile, but I would tend to agree with you there. He just doesn't come across as "Washingtonized" as the other candidates. I'm leaning more and more towards a definite decision to vote for him.
He's certainly more genuine than Clinton. That fake tears business she pulled in New Hampshire was absurd.
And while were on the subject of Clinton, I also really dislike how many women are saying that they feel obligated to vote for her because she's a woman. I seriously heard so many voters say that on the news after the NH primaries. It was either that or "I saw her show emotion and I realized that she's a compassionate and real human being, she stopped being so stiff." What's so interesting to me about this whole crying business is the fact that Clinton is a woman. I feel like if Al Gore (another candidate accused of being "stiff") had done that, it would have knocked him out of the running faster than Howard Dean's "YEEEAAH!" But since Clinton is female, she's seen as a compassionate person because she got all misty eyed. As much as I dislike her, it's sad that she has to exhibit some kind of "soft" and "feminine" traits to be electable. Is that really what it's all about?
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If you want a Democrat in the White House then you'd better vote for Clinton. There's no way this country is going to elect a black president.
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If you want a Democrat in the White House then you'd better vote for Clinton. There's no way this country is going to elect a black president.
Honestly, my Limey friend? I actually think a woman *might* have a harder chance.
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I would think a woman would have a much harder road than a black man.
The only thing that scares me about Obama (well, other than the fact that half of the country will hate him) is that he doesn't have experience. He seems very genuine and really wants change but does he have the ability to make it happen? Does he have any political capital? But, it's due time to totally shake things up and forget about who will scratch who's back and start running the country for the people. There just is an uncertainty with me of what Obama would actually be able to do.
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I don't think there's a chance in hell that the proud and thoughtful voters of this great nation of ours will vote either a woman or a black man into the White House.
I sincerely hope I am wrong.
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Fuck this, I'm voting for Lyndon LaRouche.
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The US population is 12.8% black and over 50% female. Why would it be harder for a woman?
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Because when it comes down to it a great many people, male and female, don't believe a woman can function as president. A black man may be black, but he's still a man, goldurnit. A woman, weak and feeble vessel that she is, is just a woman.
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I would think a woman would have a much harder road than a black man.
The only thing that scares me about Obama (well, other than the fact that half of the country will hate him) is that he doesn't have experience. He seems very genuine and really wants change but does he have the ability to make it happen? Does he have any political capital? But, it's due time to totally shake things up and forget about who will scratch who's back and start running the country for the people. There just is an uncertainty with me of what Obama would actually be able to do.
I think Obama's lack of "experience" is what makes him so appealing, he doesn't have any of that legacy bs going on. But it's not like he's spent his political career doing nothing. The guy has jam-packed so many good causes into his time as senator, and has proven himself, even in this short time, to be one of the most pro-active presidential candidates I've seen thus far. The dude's traveled the world, sponsored almost 200 bills, co-sponsored over 400 in his first year in congress alone, written 2 books, and gave the keynote address at the Democratic National Convention in 2004. And that's not even scratching the surface. He's been plenty active for me. In addition, his Muslim background could be extremely beneficial where foreign relations are concerned. And universal health care? Heck yeah.
Now I sound like I'm campaigning. I'm still on the fence though, partially because Obama has an indecipherable past when it comes to reproductive rights.
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Because when it comes down to it a great many people, male and female, don't believe a woman can function as president. A black man may be black, but he's still a man, goldurnit. A woman, weak and feeble vessel that she is, is just a woman.
Which makes it so interesting that Hilary won votes by acting like a "feeble vessel". Our country is so twisted.
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I would think a woman would have a much harder road than a black man.
The only thing that scares me about Obama (well, other than the fact that half of the country will hate him) is that he doesn't have experience. He seems very genuine and really wants change but does he have the ability to make it happen? Does he have any political capital? But, it's due time to totally shake things up and forget about who will scratch who's back and start running the country for the people. There just is an uncertainty with me of what Obama would actually be able to do.
I think Obama's lack of "experience" is what makes him so appealing, he doesn't have any of that legacy bs going on. But it's not like he's spent his political career doing nothing. The guy has jam-packed so many good causes into his short political career, and has proven himself, even in this short time, to be one of the most pro-active presidential candidates I've seen thus far. The dude's traveled the world, sponsored almost 200 bills, co-sponsored over 400 in his first year in congress alone, written 2 books, and gave the keynote address at the Democratic National Convention in 2004. And that's not even scratching the surface. He's been plenty active for me. In addition, his Muslim background could be extremely beneficial where foreign relations are concerned. And universal health care? Heck yeah.
It's more his capital with American politicians and world leaders that I'm worried about. I'm sold on his actions but voting on your beliefs and getting powerful leaders to back you on your beliefs are two different things.
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But if we're playing a numbers game, which is pretty much all an election is, then having 50% of the population identify with your gender rather than 12% with your race is a better starting point.
Also a higher percentage of women vote than men, while black people turn out in low numbers, are more likely to be disqualified from voting or are prevented from voting (I'm looking at you Florida).
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But if we're playing a numbers game, which is pretty much all an election is, then having 50% of the population identify with your gender rather than 12% with your race is a better starting point.
Also a higher percentage of women vote than men, while black people turn out in low numbers, are more likely to be disqualified from voting or are prevented from voting (I'm looking at you Florida).
More black voters are going to vote for Obama because of his race than women voters will vote for Clinton because of her gender. Plus, I hate to say it but Oprah might have made the difference in percentages a lot more even with her endorsement of Obama. That's a sad thought...
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Don't forget John Kerry and Unite Here. I really dislike John Kerry, but he's apparently got a lot of supporters, so good for Obama. But poor John Edwards. He's like "Hey man, I was your running mate. You cut me deep, Kerry."
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But if we're playing a numbers game, which is pretty much all an election is, then having 50% of the population identify with your gender rather than 12% with your race is a better starting point.
Also a higher percentage of women vote than men, while black people turn out in low numbers, are more likely to be disqualified from voting or are prevented from voting (I'm looking at you Florida).
More black voters are going to vote for Obama because of his race than women voters will vote for Clinton because of her gender. Plus, I hate to say it but Oprah might have made the difference in percentages a lot more even with her endorsement of Obama. That's a sad thought...
Actually, what is that thought? I was going to twist your words around to make a joke, but then I realized I didn't understand what you were saying.
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That Oprah has the ability to shape the votes of thousands of women (and some men I suppose) across America.
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But if we're playing a numbers game, which is pretty much all an election is, then having 50% of the population identify with your gender rather than 12% with your race is a better starting point.
Also a higher percentage of women vote than men, while black people turn out in low numbers, are more likely to be disqualified from voting or are prevented from voting (I'm looking at you Florida).
More black voters are going to vote for Obama because of his race than women voters will vote for Clinton because of her gender. Plus, I hate to say it but Oprah might have made the difference in percentages a lot more even with her endorsement of Obama. That's a sad thought...
That's ridiculous. For a start the Democrats have the black vote sewn up anyway so they don't even need the potential liability of a black candidate.
Oprah's influence is mostly self-publicising bluster, she may be able to blackmail the intellectual consciences of day-time tv viewers into parting with $10 for a Toni Morrison book, but I sincerely doubt she has any more influence over the general populaces political allegiances than any other major celebrity and certainly no more than any of the big political pundits or talk radio hosts.
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A woman, weak and feeble vessel that she is, is just a woman.
I found my new signature.
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But if we're playing a numbers game, which is pretty much all an election is, then having 50% of the population identify with your gender rather than 12% with your race is a better starting point.
Also a higher percentage of women vote than men, while black people turn out in low numbers, are more likely to be disqualified from voting or are prevented from voting (I'm looking at you Florida).
More black voters are going to vote for Obama because of his race than women voters will vote for Clinton because of her gender. Plus, I hate to say it but Oprah might have made the difference in percentages a lot more even with her endorsement of Obama. That's a sad thought...
That's ridiculous. For a start the Democrats have the black vote sewn up anyway so they don't even need the potential liability of a black candidate.
Oprah's influence is mostly self-publicising bluster, she may be able to blackmail the intellectual consciences of day-time tv viewers into parting with $10 for a Toni Morrison book, but I sincerely doubt she has any more influence over the general populaces political allegiances than any other major celebrity and certainly no more than any of the big political pundits or talk radio hosts.
You don't think Obama will bring more black voters to vote in November? It was one thing when it was a white man promising black voters great things but when it's a black man promising great things I'd have to think there is going to be a huge turnout in November.
I didn't say millions of voters would be swayed by Oprah...thousands. That's probably about on par with Limbaugh or whoever is on Fox News these days. I'm not saying viewers would change their party affiliation. It was a big blow to Hillary when Oprah endorsed Obama. What's sad is that Oprah's endorsement will matter.
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You're right, if he was up for the big job you probably would see a surge in black voters but it'd still be only within that 13%. I think the reality is that his color will be a liability in a presidential race.
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You're right, if he was up for the big job you probably would see a surge in black voters but it'd still be only within that 13%. I think the reality is that his color will be a liability in a presidential race.
I don't think to the degree that you're asserting. I mean, is ANYONE who'd otherwise vote Democrat NOT going to vote for Obama, if he wins the nomination, because he's not white? Even John Kerry (who was a crappy candidate, however good a President he might have been) almost beat GWB in the middle of a war, and one of the things that the Iowa caucuses were interestingly indicative of is the fact that a lot of "Independents" and even a few Republicans felt that Barack was worth their time.
I do agree with Sarah's assessment of how this breaks down along sexual/racial lines. That said, another question that arises is, is anyone who'd otherwise vote Democrat NOT going to vote for Hillary, if she wins the nomination, because she's a woman? I actually find it easier to believe that, than that they'd not vote for a black man (both suggestions are disgustingly and alternately sad and infuriating).
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Once either one of them is definitely established as the nominee, the well-financed slamming will begin. And unfortunately, the people believe whatever the TV tells them. I am genuinely fearful that a Republican will win again, and will see it as a mandate that Bush's war is what the people want.
But I don't mean to get political on ya or nothing.
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I'm with you, Dave. And much as I agree that a candidate's sex and race shouldn't matter a damn, I am furious at the Democratic Party for not fielding a strong but less controversial alternative to Clinton and Obama. Unfortunately, unlike you, TL, I think there are plenty of fools who are registered Democrats who will not be able to rise above their prejudices if faced with a candidate of what they perceive to be the wrong sex or color.
But then I still think GWB is going to find an excuse in the coming months to name himself king of the US of A.
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I am on the same potential-conspiracy-to-thwart-the-election train as you, Sarah. Sincerely. Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you, and all that. Does anyone look at the Pakistani delayed-election and NOT think that Bush hasn't thought how great that would be? Really?
That's a tortured sentence, but hopefully it parses.
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I think it's because we're old and cynical, Dave. Old and cynical trumps young and cynical any day.
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Where does "early middle-aged and cynical" fall on that spectrum?
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I took a test:
90% Mike Gravel (D)
90% Dennis Kucinich (D)
81% Barack Obama (D)
80% John Edwards (D)
79% Joe Biden (D)
79% Hillary Clinton (D)
78% Chris Dodd (D)
71% Bill Richardson (D)
38% Rudy Giuliani (R)
27% Ron Paul (R)
22% John McCain (R)
20% Mitt Romney (R)
19% Tom Tancredo (R)
15% Mike Huckabee (R)
8% Fred Thompson (R)
2008 Presidential Candidate Matching Quiz (http://www.gotoquiz.com/candidates/2008-quiz.html)
That's quite a drop between the dems and the reps.
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95% Mike Gravel
93% Dennis Kucinich
83% John Edwards
79% Barack Obama
77% Joe Biden
77% Chris Dodd
74% Hillary Clinton
67% Bill Richardson
36% Rudy Giuliani
26% Ron Paul
25% John McCain
21% Mitt Romney
18% Mike Huckabee
17% Tom Tancredo
9% Fred Thompson
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I'm on the fence about Oprah's endorsement. She endorses a lot of stuff. Then she un-endorses that stuff too (The SEcret, dodgy memoir guy...)
I know a woman or two that thinks SHE should run for president, then you'd get a twofer: woman AND black. ...AND closeted lesbian. Deal with that, American man! The lesbian black woman (Ellen's vision of the God-Head) has returned your ex-wives' sense of self, and now it's payback time!
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I don't think America is ready for a president with four eyes and two mouths.
Honestly? I think the really prevalent attitude is, "I'm not racist/sexist, but America is not ready for a (whatever) President." Sure, there are racists here, but none of them are going to vote Democratic anyway.
The way racism and sexism actually play out in this country is extraordinarily complex. I'd be willing to bet that there are plenty of well-educated, liberal Obama voters who would cross the street to avoid a black man in an urban setting, just as there are plenty of Clinton voters who, in practice, participate in old-boy networks. Likewise, I wouldn't be surprised if there were good-ol'-boy Republicans who would be willing to pull over and help a black man with a flat tire. Even my estranged friend the Ron Paul supporter is convinced that there is some sort of Jewish cabal, even after he bailed me out of a few scrapes that I could have avoided if (A) I had any of that Jewish banking money, or (B) I could have called upon the Elders of Zion. So basically you never know.
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Yeah, and I'm sure there are a ton of black voters who probably think Obama is not black enough or whatever, or just don't like his policy.
Also, white people who obviously recognize the guy is black, but don't reserve the sort of racial contempt for him that they do for an Al Shapton or Jesse Jackson.
Similarly, plenty of women with ideas about womanhood that Hillary doesn't live up to. Blah Blah.
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I have to say that this surprised me a little. Not so much the Rudy, but the Hillary thing.
80% Hillary Clinton (D)
78% Rudy Giuliani (R)
77% Chris Dodd (D)
76% John Edwards (D)
75% Barack Obama (D)
71% Joe Biden (D)
68% John McCain (R)
68% Bill Richardson (D)
52% Mike Gravel (D)
50% Mike Huckabee (R)
50% Mitt Romney (R)
49% Dennis Kucinich (D)
44% Tom Tancredo (R)
37% Fred Thompson (R)
23% Ron Paul (R)
2008 Presidential Candidate Matching Quiz (http://www.gotoquiz.com/candidates/2008-quiz.html)
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Yeah, I took that, and Obama came out on top for me, which I also found a bit surprising. That's when I started researching the guy, and discovered that on most issues, we pretty much agree.
EDIT: I was mistaken and took another quiz, which I found to be much more helpful.
http://www.electoralcompass.com/language/en (http://www.electoralcompass.com/language/en)
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68% Mike Gravel (D)
65% Barack Obama (D)
64% John Edwards (D)
63% Hillary Clinton (D)
62% Chris Dodd (D)
62% Joe Biden (D)
61% Dennis Kucinich (D)
60% Bill Richardson (D)
52% Ron Paul (R)
43% John McCain (R)
43% Mitt Romney (R)
40% Rudy Giuliani (R)
39% Tom Tancredo (R)
37% Fred Thompson (R)
35% Mike Huckabee (R)
I think that pretty much sums up my thoughts that there isn't a very good candidate for me. When I vote it's always a compromise.
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If Fred Thompson appears at the top of anyone's list, I'm going to cry.
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Micheal Stipe Hearts Huckabee:
http://www.towleroad.com/2008/01/michael-stipe-h.html (http://www.towleroad.com/2008/01/michael-stipe-h.html)
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Who da hell is Mike Gravel?
96% Mike Gravel (D)
90% Dennis Kucinich (D)
78% John Edwards (D)
73% Chris Dodd (D)
73% Barack Obama (D)
73% Bill Richardson (D)
71% Joe Biden (D)
68% Hillary Clinton (D)
33% Ron Paul (R)
29% Rudy Giuliani (R)
25% John McCain (R)
22% Mike Huckabee (R)
21% Tom Tancredo (R)
18% Mitt Romney (R)
13% Fred Thompson (R)
2008 Presidential Candidate Matching Quiz (http://www.gotoquiz.com/candidates/2008-quiz.html)
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Mike Gravel
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rZdAB4V_j8[/youtube]
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83%
Obama Barack Obama
81%
Clinton Hillary Clinton
80%
Edwards John Edwards
80%
Dodd Chris Dodd
76%
Biden Joe Biden
70%
Gravel Mike Gravel
68%
Richardson Bill Richardson
67%
Kucinich Dennis Kucinich
56%
Giuliani Rudy Giuliani
42%
McCain John McCain
40%
Tancredo Tom Tancredo
37%
Romney Mitt Romney
32%
Huckabee Mike Huckabee
28%
Paul Ron Paul
24%
Thompson Fred Thompson
Hell, I'm not even smart enough to figure out how to cut and paste my results. I shouldn't even get a vote.
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JP sent me this: http://www.politicalcompass.org/index (http://www.politicalcompass.org/index)
It doesn't recommend candidates, but places you in a 4 sector, x/y graph, political spectrum - the "x" line being economic (running between Left/Communism and Right/Neo-Liberalism) and the "y" being "social" (running between Authoritarian/Fascism and Libertarian/Anarchism). It's pretty interesting.
I feel pretty good about the fact that I fell almost exactly where I'd thought/hoped I would - a little left and south of the center of the bottom left quadrant. So not as completely "Libertarian Socialist" as I'd wondered, earlier in this thread, if I might be, but appreciative of the examples of the Spanish Civil War, none-the-less...
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The Spanish Civil War gave us M and Ms and Smarties.
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The Spanish Civil War gave us M and Ms and Smarties.
That's "M y Ms" and "Listos" to you, hermano!
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88% Dennis Kucinich (D)
85% Barack Obama (D)
85% John Edwards (D)
84% Chris Dodd (D)
83% Mike Gravel (D)
82% Hillary Clinton (D)
81% Joe Biden (D)
77% Bill Richardson (D)
34% Rudy Giuliani (R)
25% John McCain (R)
22% Mitt Romney (R)
19% Ron Paul (R)
19% Tom Tancredo (R)
18% Mike Huckabee (R)
9% Fred Thompson (R)
I'm not surprised.
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It's not easy being green. In the south.
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Dave, this is a little creepy.... you can't get much closer than that.
(http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-4.50&soc=-3.69)
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Your Results:
87%
Kucinich Dennis Kucinich
85%
Gravel Mike Gravel
77%
Dodd Chris Dodd
76%
Biden Joe Biden
74%
Obama Barack Obama
73%
Edwards John Edwards
71%
Clinton Hillary Clinton
64%
Richardson Bill Richardson
30%
Paul Ron Paul
27%
Giuliani Rudy Giuliani
19%
Tancredo Tom Tancredo
17%
Romney Mitt Romney
14%
McCain John McCain
11%
Thompson Fred Thompson
9%
Huckabee Mike Huckabee
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86% Barack Obama (D)
85% John Edwards (D)
80% Mike Gravel (D)
80% Hillary Clinton (D)
79% Chris Dodd (D)
78% Joe Biden (D)
76% Dennis Kucinich (D)
72% Bill Richardson (D)
37% Rudy Giuliani (R)
37% John McCain (R)
34% Mitt Romney (R)
33% Tom Tancredo (R)
32% Mike Hucklebee (R)
25% Ron Paul (R)
20% Fred Thompson (R)
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You sunk my battle ship!
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(http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-3.62&soc=-7.33)
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So far, I'm winning the "Who's the least like Hitler" contest.
I'm not saying any of you are like him, I'm just saying I'm less like him.
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If Obama wins the primary, I will vote for him, but the guy bores the paint off the walls, as far as I'm concerned. It makes me angry to see him compared to Kennedy and MLK. I haven't read or seen anything substantive from him. He is all rhetoric. I urge anyone to correct me on this, because I want to like him, but man oh man, booooooooooooor-ring.
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holy crap. this is pretty revealing about the FOT.
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l244/Andy1807/axeswithnames.gif)
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damn you Dorvid.
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My graph was real. Andy's is Giuliani propaganda.
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(http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-5.75&soc=-7.38)
What do I win?
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What do I win?
A solid gold hammer and sickle.
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What do I win?
A solid gold hammer and sickle.
:D
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What do I win?
A solid gold hammer and sickle.
Epic what?*
*Because I'm not going to say it.
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I don't know how you guys made your graphs, but if you just replace Stalin's name above with mine, you'll see where I fall.
I must point out, however, that on the Electoral Compass site the labels are different: replace "Authoritarian" with "Social liberalism--Progressive" and "Libertarian" with "Social conservatism--Traditional"; also, modify "Left" and "Right" with the adjective "Economic."
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Selectively posting articles to back up my position.
Hill's Angels - how angry women of New Hampshire saved Clinton
· Female voters enraged by coverage following Iowa rout
· Loss of composure in diner helped trigger 'perfect storm'
Suzanne Goldenberg in Portsmouth, New Hampshire
Saturday January 12, 2008
The Guardian
This is where the revolution began: a cafe decorated with sunflower yellow walls and botanical prints, a default lunch spot on a day for running errands. It was here, over mid-morning coffee with undecided voters, that an exhausted Hillary Clinton came close to tears, and the women of New Hampshire - or at least those old enough to remember the struggles of the 70s or even Anita Hill's Senate testimony on sexual harassment in 1991 - decided it was time to come home.
It was not just pity, though a number of women admitted their eyes misted up at the sight of Clinton close to tears. It was not just annoyance at commentators who called Clinton "shrill", or anger at the hecklers who yelled: "Iron my shirt." Women, even those who have disliked Clinton since she arrived on the national stage in 1992, felt a sense of obligation.
"What can I say? I was a woman in the 70s and here you had a woman who has the opportunity to be the first president of the United States, and I had to decide between her and other Democrats," said Kathy Walsh, a land agent who attended the coffee morning with Clinton. "But it was tough. I just couldn't get beyond all that crap about the Clintons."
The meeting with Clinton last Monday was never meant to be an all-women gathering. Last Sunday evening aides began calling around the lists of voters who had identified themselves as undecided - women and men - to invite them to meet Clinton the next morning at a local cafe.
The voters were told they would be part of a group of 40 or 50 people. But by morning a little more than a dozen had turned up, including at least two women who had not been invited - and one of those was a Republican - and just two men. The guests included business owners, a teacher, a high school graduate working as a nanny and stay-at-home mums.
If Clinton was disappointed in the poor turnout she did not let on. She spent more than an hour answering questions, responding at such length that a number of women confessed they were bored or overwhelmed by information.
Walsh had to be dragged to the event. She is friendly with the co-chair of Clinton's campaign in New Hampshire, the state speaker, Terie Norelli, and had turned down three other opportunities to see Clinton. "I was not voting for Hillary at all. I just wasn't going with that whole Clinton thing." Even now she is adamant that it was not Clinton's tears that turned her - it was her detailed responses to questions.
But it was Clinton's response to the last question from freelance photographer Marianne Pernold Young that provided the electric moment. How did Clinton keep going? "I couldn't do it if I didn't just passionately believe it was the right thing to do," Clinton began telling Young, her voice cracking. "I have so many opportunities from this country and I just don't want to see us fall backwards as a nation. This is very personal for me."
For Sally Bassett, 46 and a stay-at-home mum, the glimpse of raw emotion was the turning point. She had been impressed by Clinton, but she added: "What struck me was that she had such a deep concern about the direction the country was going in. It just struck a chord."
But as a woman who used to work in the largely male field of engineering, she was angered by the atmospherics of the campaign. "I just couldn't believe some of the things that were said and written," she said.
Clinton was getting regularly trashed by the rightwing talk show hosts who dominate the airwaves in New Hampshire, said Arnie Arnesen, a Democratic activist who has her own talk show. That built up resentment among women.
So did churlish comments from Clinton's main rivals. In the last debate before primary day, Obama curtly told Clinton: "You're likable enough." Edwards responded to reports of her emotional moment by talking about the importance of having a strong commander-in-chief.
Then, a few hours after the coffee shop moment, two men at a Clinton rally held up placards reading: "Iron my shirt." Sexism was alive and well, Clinton responded, and the audience erupted in support.
All of that came together in the popular reaction to Clinton's momentary loss of control in the cafe. "When she started reacting like that everyone felt for her. It had been all over the press that morning that she was going to lose to Barack Obama by 12 or 13 points, so I am sure she was having a tough time," said Karen Barndollar, a supporter who happened to be at the cafe. "But no one had ever seen her like that during all the trials and tribulations with her husband before, in public she was always pretty strong. This was unusual and unexpected."
Two of Barndollar's friends, who had planned to vote for Obama, switched their votes. "I felt that Hillary needed a longer chance. I didn't want to see her knocked out of the race in a one-two punch after all of her hard work," Melissa McLeod, a Portsmouth artist, wrote in an email.
"So although I am an Obama fan I thought Hillary needed my vote and I hate the way she gets dumped on for not being feminine, then being too feminine."
Many commentators recognised Clinton's frustration. Gail Collins wrote in the New York Times: "This week, Hillary was a stand-in for every woman who's overdosed on multi-tasking."
Her colleague, Maureen Dowd, wasn't buying it. She was reminded of how Clinton has turned victimhood to her political advantage in the past. "There was a whiff of Nixonian self-pity about her choking up. What was moving her so deeply was her recognition that the country was failing to grasp how much it needs her," she wrote. "In a weirdly narcissistic way, she was crying for us. But it was grimly typical of her that what finally made her break down was the prospect of losing."
Luckily for Clinton, that's not how the women of New Hampshire saw it. Some 57% of Democratic voters were women, and she won 46% of their votes. Obama took 34%. The result was a reversal of the Iowa caucuses five days earlier when women deserted Clinton for Obama - especially those less than 24. She got just 19% of their support. The only Iowan women who stayed loyal were senior citizens; 48% of women above the age of 65 voted for Clinton.
As has been the pattern since the launch of her campaign nearly a year ago, she performed best among women with lower incomes and less education. Half of women earning between $15,000 and $30,000 a year (£8,000- £15,000) voted for her, compared with 29% for Obama. She also did well among single women.
Other factors in her win had little to do with gender. "It really was a perfect storm for Hillary Clinton," said Arnesen. New Hampshire is Clinton country and, unlike in Iowa, her machine was effective. Workers got up at 4am to get people to the polls - two hours before Obama. There are also signs that Obama supporters were complacent. As Barndollar said: "I felt that because of the Iowa result that she had become the underdog. "
After her astonishing victory, Clinton goes on to the next contest in Nevada, a week from today, and then the final showdown of Super Tuesday on February 5. What remains unclear is whether she can move women again as the campaign moves to a national battleground.
The day after New Hampshire, Clinton sent out an email to supporters saying she won because "we connected with the people". Such emotional contact was good, Clinton wrote. But, she went on: "Just as surely, we won because we made more phone calls, knocked on more doors, and put more get-out-the-vote vans on the road. We've got a lot of work to do. "
That brief flash of feeling probably saved Clinton's campaign, but she was not about to put her trust in anything so unreliable as emotion in the rounds ahead.
· Madam President: Is America Ready to Send Hillary Clinton to the White House? by Suzanne Goldenberg is published in the US on Monday. It is also available from guardianbooks.co.uk
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections08/hillaryclinton/story/0,,2239617,00.html
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words words words words words words
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Did somebody say something?
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Huckabee is elected - I become "the immoralist"
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Huckabee is elected - I become "the immoralist"
This won't happen, but you should become The Immoralist anyhow and walk around in a domino mask and cape. Chicks dig it!
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I don't know how you guys made your graphs, but if you just replace Stalin's name above with mine, you'll see where I fall.
That's my girl.
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I don't think America is ready for a president with four eyes and two mouths.
Honestly? I think the really prevalent attitude is, "I'm not racist/sexist, but America is not ready for a (whatever) President." Sure, there are racists here, but none of them are going to vote Democratic anyway.
The way racism and sexism actually play out in this country is extraordinarily complex. I'd be willing to bet that there are plenty of well-educated, liberal Obama voters who would cross the street to avoid a black man in an urban setting, just as there are plenty of Clinton voters who, in practice, participate in old-boy networks. Likewise, I wouldn't be surprised if there were good-ol'-boy Republicans who would be willing to pull over and help a black man with a flat tire. Even my estranged friend the Ron Paul supporter is convinced that there is some sort of Jewish cabal, even after he bailed me out of a few scrapes that I could have avoided if (A) I had any of that Jewish banking money, or (B) I could have called upon the Elders of Zion. So basically you never know.
Well said, Jasongrote. I think the one safe thing I could predict about Obama as the eventual Democratic nominee (if that were to take place) is that we might be surprised. Personally, I've decided I like the guy a lot and would heartily support him if he wins the nomination; I'd do the same for Hilary. I'm completely ready to campaign for either of them.
However, one thing that really has me worried about Obama is the tendency for more people to say they will support an African-American candidate when polled and then pulling the lever for somebody else in private. Then again, it doesn't seem fair to predict that that would certainly occur if he is the nominee.
Also, it kind of pisses me off that I'm forced to choose between what I see as an extraordinarily qualified female presidential candidate and a very promising African-American one. You really can't have it all, can you?
I believe that many Americans are so unwilling to acknowledge their own sexism/racism, but quick to point it out in others -- thus, the exact view that you described above. I agree that that's a prevalent attitude and seems to be parroted by the media frequently. "I'd vote for a woman or an African-American candidate without hesitation if he or she were the right candidate. But is America ready? I doubt it." (read: I myself may not be ready to vote for one or both such candidate(s), but I won't acknowledge that)
One final comment: it never hurts to have the Elders of Zion on your side. They're good guys, and you don't want to piss them off.
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Oh, one more Sunny D tidbit. He also said, "Evolution is just a theory!" I fucking hate that. Of course it's a motherfucking theory. Did he take a single science class in high school? For that matter, MIDDLE SCHOOL? I told him that relativity is just a theory, but he didn't know what that was. :'(
Gravity is a theory too. Are we gonna debate that, along with evolution?
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The quote (got it from http://zennie2005.blogspot.com/2008/01/hillary-clintons-mistake-on-martin.html (http://zennie2005.blogspot.com/2008/01/hillary-clintons-mistake-on-martin.html))
“Dr. King’s dream began to be realized when President Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act...It took a president to get it done.”
Ive never been a fan but have been mystified why/how people have such a hatred for her. The MLK/LBJ comment was everything people (most times unfairly) accuse her of. Still, she'll get my vote if she gets the nomination which is kinda sad.
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Oh, one more Sunny D tidbit. He also said, "Evolution is just a theory!" I fucking hate that. Of course it's a motherfucking theory. Did he take a single science class in high school? For that matter, MIDDLE SCHOOL? I told him that relativity is just a theory, but he didn't know what that was. :'(
Gravity is a theory too. Are we gonna debate that, along with evolution?
Yeah, I told him that, too. I asked him if I should throw an apple in the air and see if it just goes into orbit in space.
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There are no world leaders in my quadrant, which is not a surprise given that essentially I want to take most of the government's powers away. Very few people would run for office on a platform of "give me less power, please."
Stay out of my wallet, stay out of my personal life.
The government that governs best, governs least.
That said, I'm voting Democratic again. I've never voted for a Republican because of the corporate types' insistence on aligning themselves with the, uh, nutty types.
Oh yeah, and you should remember that Northeastern Republican = Southeastern Democrat. You all have no politicians up there that match up to a North Carolina Republican.
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(http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-7.12&soc=-6.05)
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The person whose politics mine most closely resemble is the Dalai Lama?!?
http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-4.75&soc=-7.85 (http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-4.75&soc=-7.85)
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Man, I wanted to be a Stalinist too. Well, I can't say I'm surprised.
(http://www.politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=-9.00&soc=-8.21)
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Huh, the image didn't link. Well, it's here:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=-9.00&soc=-8.21
I'm about falling off the lower left corner.
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Seems like the FOT political motto should be: "Proudly Individualistic and Redistributionist!"
That really wouldn't look interesting on T-shirts.
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Okay, I finally took that political compass test, and here's my result:
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I don't think you could be more left if you tried. You clearly win.
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But Jasongrote is further south than I, so he wins that one.
Actually, I took this test a few years ago and was all the way down in the lower left corner, truly as far west and south as one could go. Apparently I've become more conservative since 2003.
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I am a little more Libertarian than Sarah, but I'm also a little more right-wing. It must have been from holding a copy of The Fountainhead that one time.
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http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=9.75&soc=8.62 (http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=9.75&soc=8.62)
I was trying for as for north-east as possible. Missed it by this much.
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Your Results:
76% Ron Paul
60% Mike Gravel
58% Mike Huckabee
55% Dennis Kucinich
53% John McCain
53% Mitt Romney
51% Tom Tancredo
50% Fred Thompson
43% John Edwards
42% Bill Richardson
41% Chris Dodd
37% Barack Obama
36% Joe Biden
36% Rudy Giuliani
34% Hillary Clinton
Here's my pie:
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I am a little more Libertarian than Sarah, but I'm also a little more right-wing. It must have been from holding a copy of The Fountainhead that one time.
I regret that I can correctly pronounce Ms. Rand's given name. I'd rather not know.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/14/Simpsons_Hitchcock.png)
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Wasn't it originally something Russian?
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Alisa Zinov'yevna Rosenbaum (Алиса Зиновьевна Розенбаум).
Good old Wikipedia.
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Something JEWISH and Russian. Well, I can rest easy knowing that I didn't know that! Unfortunately, her surname is very similar to mine.
My paternal grandparents' name was changed from Rosenblum to Blum when they immigrated from Russia. It's true. Yet somehow my maternal grandparents' got to keep Bauwmeester! And even I'm not sure if I'm spelling my mother's maiden name correctly. It certainly looks wrong, though I'm certain the "meester" part is correct, as it's a Dutch name.
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for the record.
(http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-8.12&soc=-7.23)
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Everyone in the same quadrant (except me), and I'll guarantee you that Tom is in that quadrant as well (real Tom, not show Tom).
Don't we have SOME authoritarians who listen to the show? Isn't there somebody on the FOT site who listens to the show every week and says, "My heavens! He can't say that! Stop saying that, Tom!"
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How do you know that's not the response of radio Dave From Knoxville? REAL Dave From Knoxville might start every morning kissing a poster of Mussolini!
Don't tell me you're not aroused by Ann Coulter's Dame-Edna-like hands.
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Don't tell me you're not aroused by Ann Coulter's Dame-Edna-like hands.
:-X
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My friend slept with Ann Coulter. I'm not kidding.
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We need to start a thread "TMZ- FOT style"
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Really, also, Michigan? Satisfied with the highest unemployment rate in the nation, you have voted, in both party races, to change absolutely nothing. Congrats.
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My friend slept with Ann Coulter. I'm not kidding.
Elaborate a little bit, Grote. She's repulsive, but she is mildly famous. I bet there's a story there.
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He was an actor in one of my plays, and he was the kind of ugly-sexy guy who could get laid in, I don't know, a really difficult place to get laid. After a performance, we all went out and started complaining about all those Fox News FWDs, and he was like "I slept with Ann Coulter once." We were all like ew, and how could you, and a couple of the guys (not me) were like, I'd consider it and we demanded he tell the story.
Basically, the guy is a masseur as well as an actor, and was working at some really high-end hotel, and Coulter came in. He said he had a vague idea of who she was but doesn't really follow that stuff, and after the massage she left him a note to meet her at the bar. He did, and he said she had sex in a really angry way. Politics never came up once.
One guy at the table was like, we have to go public with this and discredit Ann Coulter, and I was like, come on guy, like anyone would care.
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He was an actor in one of my plays, and he was the kind of ugly-sexy guy who could get laid in, I don't know, a really difficult place to get laid. After a performance, we all went out and started complaining about all those Fox News FWDs, and he was like "I slept with Ann Coulter once." We were all like ew, and how could you, and a couple of the guys (not me) were like, I'd consider it and we demanded he tell the story.
Basically, the guy is a masseur as well as an actor, and was working at some really high-end hotel, and Coulter came in. He said he had a vague idea of who she was but doesn't really follow that stuff, and after the massage she left him a note to meet her at the bar. He did, and he said she had sex in a really angry way. Politics never came up once.
One guy at the table was like, we have to go public with this and discredit Ann Coulter, and I was like, come on guy, like anyone would care.
Did your friend write this http://ifuckedanncoulterintheasshard.blogspot.com (http://ifuckedanncoulterintheasshard.blogspot.com) totally not safe for work blog that I tried unsuccessfully to bury in html? Yeah, it's totally not safe for work. And f*ing hilarious.
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No, I don't think he's ever written anything down, ever. Here he is, in my play:
(http://www.theatermania.com/news/images/9952a.jpg)
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He's dreamy.
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No, I don't think he's ever written anything down, ever. Here he is, in my play:
(http://www.theatermania.com/news/images/9952a.jpg)
Was the play called: "Reenactment of my night with Ann Coulter"?
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I like the way he holds his petard. That is a petard, isn't it?
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It ain't his peppin.
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I would hope not! Surely our Mr. Grote is not a filth monger!
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I am actually a filth monger. But it is his scimitar, and he's about to chop off the poor young lady's head.
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I am actually a filth monger. But it is his scimitar, and he's about to chop off the poor young lady's head.
then why is she laughing? Is she, maybe, watching something funny on TV?
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It looks like her eyes are closed. I think he told her he was going to give her a great big treat, but she had to keep her eyes shut, or he'd change his mind, and she's laughing in happy anticipation. Naughty naughty man!
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Sarah wins! I'd post the dialogue from the play but that seems a bit egomaniacal. Basically events transpire more or less as Sarah describes, and she's babbling on about redecorating and has no idea he's about to behead her. I can't remember exactly, but it might have been restaged for the photo.
About a scene later her head appears in a box, but don't worry, the actress comes back many times as other characters.
How did a thread about the primary elections become a thread about my play? I mean, I know how, but man.
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Basically events transpire more or less as Sarah describes, and she's babbling on about redecorating and has no idea he's about to behead her. I can't remember exactly, but it might have been restaged for the photo.
About a scene later her head appears in a box, but don't worry, the actress comes back many times as other characters.
and do those female characters get beheaded as well? Are they all laughing just before it happens?
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I'm going to take this as an opportunity to let Lamont know how I feel about the actress in that picture: AWESOME. She was my favorite in your play.
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Thanks, Laurie, but that was actually a different actress (the photo was from Denver, which was a much bigger production and had an almost entirely different cast). Both actresses who played that role were great, though. The one you saw had just been in Coast of Utopia at Lincoln Center. But I still wish you saw the Denver production, or at least saw it later in the run; it was still pretty rough when you came.
Jane, I'm reading some commentary on the beheading of women there. The play is a sort of adaptation/deconstruction of the Arabian Nights, which are (among other things) breathtakingly misogynist. I decided to just to go for it and draw attention to that fact rather than bowdlerizing the story. It got us a couple of walkouts (more in Denver than NY) but there is a payoff - part of the take of the play is Scheherezade as a feminist heroine. But to answer your question, that actress went on to play a young Arab princess named Maridah and her lookalike Juml, in a riff on Vertigo; Kuchuk Hanem, the prostitute visited by Gustave Flaubert during his travels in Egypt; and Lubna, a Palestinian-American housewife living in Michigan. There's some objectification there but no more beheadings.
I'm still a little weirded out by this thread drift. Anyone want to talk about the South Carolina primaries, or Kucinich's exclusion from the Nevada debates? Maybe I can conjure a Ron Paul supporter from the internets to get back to the topic at hand:
RON PAUL SUCKS
RON PAUL SUCKS
RON PAUL SUCKS*
*While I'd never vote for the man, I don't actually think this; I'm just trying to trigger some Google alerts.
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Sarah wins! I'd post the dialogue from the play but that seems a bit egomaniacal. Basically events transpire more or less as Sarah describes, and she's babbling on about redecorating and has no idea he's about to behead her. I can't remember exactly, but it might have been restaged for the photo.
About a scene later her head appears in a box, but don't worry, the actress comes back many times as other characters.
Gee wiz, somebody's got commitment issues.
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Also, getting back on track, this would seem to support Jason:
http://egan.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/16/race-bait/index.html
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Sarah wins! I'd post the dialogue from the play but that seems a bit egomaniacal. Basically events transpire more or less as Sarah describes, and she's babbling on about redecorating and has no idea he's about to behead her. I can't remember exactly, but it might have been restaged for the photo.
About a scene later her head appears in a box, but don't worry, the actress comes back many times as other characters.
Gee wiz, somebody's got commitment issues.
Well, to be fair, Shahriyar does, not me. It's actually crazy - the whole premise of The Arabian Nights is that every night, the king marries a virgin, deflowers her, and beheads her. Scheherezade distracts him by telling one story after another night after night, and her happy ending is that the king forgives her for being a woman and they have kids together.
Interesting link re. Obama, JJ. Maybe that explains his shudder-inducing Reagan speech this week. I think I might just stick with Kucinich.
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You can only stick with Kucinich for so long, unfortunately. Then you have to go with one of these lunatics, unless you want one of THOSE lunatics to win.
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I dunno, Dave, I'm thinking of becoming delusional.
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I've got a big head start. RUN!
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Jasongrote, you've already written the play, so this is a little closing-the-barn-doorish, but have you read John Barth's Chimera? One of the three novellas it comprises is a take on the Scheherazade tale. You might also get a kick out of Scheherazade Cooks! by Wadeeha Atiyeh, a cookbook in which the recipes alternate with little stories involving Scheherazade and Shariar (I believe Atiyeh goes ahead and calls him Haroun al-Rashid). The idea is that it wasn't just the stories she told him at night but her cooking lessons during the day that stayed his hand for nigh on three years. I loved the book as a kid, and some of the recipes weren't too bad, I seem to remember.
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Sarah, you're not the first person to recommend the Barth book to me - I found some other Barth in a used bookstore in Connecticut on the recommendation but haven't seen that one yet. The cookbook is news, though - that sounds really cool. We have like 40 cookbooks and because of that I refuse to look recipes up on the internet. Thanks for the recommendations.
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Jane, I'm reading some commentary on the beheading of women there.
Wow, this sounds so professor-like. It's taking me back. Geez, tone that shit down - It's making me all flustered and excited and stuff.
Yeah, no, I'm no Andrea Dworkin, here. I know you're not a misogynist - I've seen the Margaret Atwood on your bookshelf.
I was just posting off the cuff shit trying to calm my nerves while waiting for some people to pick me up (who were late). I shouldn't have been commenting on your play - a work I haven't seen.
But the fact that an actress that's been beheaded comes back as different characters made me think that it would be funny for her to be beheaded over and over again. After every beheading, the head could be put in an ornate cake box and at the end of the play there could be this great pyramid of boxes with heads in them. They could all be made of marzipan and then actors dressed as gigantic mice could creep out and eat them. The heads could be filled with miniature marshmallows, which the mice would throw into the audience. That's theatre I'd pay to see!
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But the fact that an actress that's been beheaded comes back as different characters made me think that it would be funny for her to be beheaded over and over again. After every beheading, the head could be put in an ornate cake box and at the end of the play there could be this great pyramid of boxes with heads in them. They could all be made of marzipan and then actors dressed as gigantic mice could creep out and eat them. The heads could be filled with miniature marshmallows, which the mice would throw into the audience. That's theatre I'd pay to see!
This sounds like Run Lola Run meets I'm Not There...but with way more beheadings. Someone call Trent L. Strauss!
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I don't know if I'd ever want to read a cookbook by Barth...
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Dohhooont encohrrrrage yourrrr motherrrr.
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Dohhooont encohrrrrage yourrrr motherrrr.
Duuh.....Iiiiii heard dat!
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Jane, I'm reading some commentary on the beheading of women there.
Wow, this sounds so professor-like. It's taking me back. Geez, tone that shit down - It's making me all flustered and excited and stuff.
Yeah, no, I'm no Andrea Dworkin, here. I know you're not a misogynist - I've seen the Margaret Atwood on your bookshelf.
I was just posting off the cuff shit trying to calm my nerves while waiting for some people to pick me up (who were late). I shouldn't have been commenting on your play - a work I haven't seen.
But the fact that an actress that's been beheaded comes back as different characters made me think that it would be funny for her to be beheaded over and over again. After every beheading, the head could be put in an ornate cake box and at the end of the play there could be this great pyramid of boxes with heads in them. They could all be made of marzipan and then actors dressed as gigantic mice could creep out and eat them. The heads could be filled with miniature marshmallows, which the mice would throw into the audience. That's theatre I'd pay to see!
No worries, Jane - I knew, putting it in there, that it would provoke. In fact, I was afraid to show it to the 12 people in my little theater group when I first wrote it, and am amazed that I haven't gotten more grief for it. But yeah, that would be a good gag, sort of like that being that Arthur Dent keeps accidentally murdering in Hitchhiker's Guide.
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I'm going to do the early voting thing for the Florida primaries. I kind of want to get exit polled, though. I'll be missing out on that. I won't miss standing in line for hours, I can tell you that much.
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Ummmm?
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Ummmm?
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-phew!-
Thank god!!
For a minute there, I thought he was gonna up-end 25 years of hard-won racial stereotypes by suggesting that HE took the crack and OBAMA used the powder...
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We should all do videos exactly like this but for each of the candidates. I call Fred Thompson.
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I want Hilary Clinton. I could perpetuate all those "power lesbian" stereotypes.
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In the past while, as I've been foolish enough to watch more news, I have come to fall completely in line with Jason's view of this election. The contempt with which the media treats Hillary Clinton makes it very clear that a woman has less chance of becoming president of this country than would a mildly talented (male) iguana. Even the most committed racist is more likely to vote for a black man--especially a pale one who doesn't "sound black"--than a woman of any stripe.
It is very, very depressing.
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Ummmm?
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I challenge HIM to reveal what is on his baseball cap -- Nascar logo? Waffle House give-away? (Excuse my yankee stereotypes of the South).
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In the past while, as I've been foolish enough to watch more news, I have come to fall completely in line with Jason's view of this election. The contempt with which the media treats Hillary Clinton makes it very clear that a woman has less chance of becoming president of this country than would a mildly talented (male) iguana. Even the most committed racist is more likely to vote for a black man--especially a pale one who doesn't "sound black"--than a woman of any stripe.
It is very, very depressing.
Eh, I don't deny that sexism plays a role in the media's contempt for Hillary, but I think it also has a lot to do with her being a Clinton rather than her being a female.
I really dislike her because she is the candidate of entitlement and position. She's just way more slimy than Barrack. Also, not to be a one-issue voter, but Obama's plan for the environment is much better developed than any other candidate's, especially Hillary's.
"I think America is ready for a woman president, but does it have to be that woman?" -Chris Rock on Hillary*
*I hope this doesn't negate all of what I said.
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Regardless of whether their dislike for her has to do with her surname, their expressions of it take distinctly petty, sexist turns: using shrill, fish-wife tones when mimicking her, likening her delivery to that of a wife nagging a husband to take out the trash, scolding her for her cleavage then turning around and scolding her for her sexless garb, etc. There's a tone of disrespect that is never aimed at the male candidates, even the most idiotic. It has seriously shocked me, since I prefer sometimes to pretend that the world is better than that. More fool me, without a doubt.
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Regardless of whether their dislike for her has to do with her surname, their expressions of it take distinctly petty, sexist turns: using shrill, fish-wife tones when mimicking her, likening her delivery to that of a wife nagging a husband to take out the trash, scolding her for her cleavage then turning around and scolding her for her sexless garb, etc. There's a tone of disrespect that is never aimed at the male candidates, even the most idiotic. It has seriously shocked me, since I prefer sometimes to pretend that the world is better than that. More fool me, without a doubt.
Do you watch Fox News or something? I haven't seen anything that severe, but I'm sure it's out there. If you're looking for a replacement for that kind of stuff, try reddit.com. I'm a fan.
Either way, people are still voting for Hillary. A lot of people.
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It looks like Florida might go Hillary. Doesn't matter! We don't have any democratic delegates, since the geniuses in Tallahassee decided that holding the election a couple weeks earlier was SUPER IMPORTANT. I don't know why.
I voted for Obama even though it won't count. And I voted against putting slot machines at greyhound race tracks because I don't want those abusive fucks getting any more money than they already get.
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And I voted against putting slot machines at greyhound race tracks because I don't want those abusive fucks getting any more money than they already get.
Right on. I grew up with a rescued greyhound. Every day I would look at her and think "What if she were put down?" She was only two when my mom and dad adopted her. She's 14 now, and still pretty spry.
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It looks like Florida might go Hillary. Doesn't matter! We don't have any democratic delegates, since the geniuses in Tallahassee decided that holding the election a couple weeks earlier was SUPER IMPORTANT. I don't know why.
I voted for Obama even though it won't count. And I voted against putting slot machines at greyhound race tracks because I don't want those abusive fucks getting any more money than they already get.
It might count. I could see something happening at the last minute where they decide those delegates should be allowed in or at least some of them. I don't get why people aren't more upset that there are two states who probably won't have their votes counted. That should be a major story but everybody seems to be ok with it...
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And I voted against putting slot machines at greyhound race tracks because I don't want those abusive fucks getting any more money than they already get.
Right on. I grew up with a rescued greyhound. Every day I would look at her and think "What if she were put down?" She was only two when my mom and dad adopted her. She's 14 now, and still pretty spry.
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Enough to make a cat-lover's heart melt over a dog.
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Do you watch Fox News or something?
Hell, no. I avoid news as much as possible as a prophylactic against suicide, though these days for some reason I've been watching The Daily Show and The Colbert Report (I wanted to see how they're doing sans writers). My point is that it shocks the hell out of me that such talk is happening at all. There may be scads of more reasonable discourse out there, but the mere existence of the stuff I'm talking about says a great deal about where women still stand in this country.
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Dear God, there's no way I could stand Mitt Romney for another nine months. What a maddeningly mediocre stiff. Go, McCain, Go... until you've secured the nomination, that is.
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Sarah, are you thinking about the douche that said, "When men hear Hillary talk they hear, [in a shrill, shrewish voice] "Take out the garbage!"
My jaw dropped. Seriously. Where'd they dig up that fossil?
And regarding Romney: It's kind of telling how every single campaign hates that guy and his team of creepos. He's a slickster, that fellow.
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I am, Laurie. Astonishing, wasn't it?
On a completely different note, I watched the U.S. figure-skating championship this weekend and thought of you when Johnny Weir was robbed. I didn't love his performance (I found more to admire in Jeremy Abbott's, which was flawed but had some very nice bits), but he clearly should've won.
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I think the Reps will win if they pick McCain. I also think the Reps will win if the Dems pick Clinton. So I'm hoping for Romney, and an Obama/Edwards ticket.
Sarah, I'm also amazed at the sexism on display during this campaign. Some of the comments are insane. Really, 2008?
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Don't get me wrong: I'm sure that if there weren't such a strong taboo against public racist speech (look at all the scolding directed at Bill Clinton for his fairly mild comments) a lot of poison would be poured on Obama as well. It is, however, very telling that there is no similar prohibition against sexist commentary.
Nice dog, Beth. If greyhounds didn't have such a strong prey drive, I'd consider adopting one myself.
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I think the Reps will win if they pick McCain. I also think the Reps will win if the Dems pick Clinton. So I'm hoping for Romney, and an Obama/Edwards ticket.
Sarah, I'm also amazed at the sexism on display during this campaign. Some of the comments are insane. Really, 2008?
I remember when Clinton first decided to run, and the "big question" in the news was "Is America ready for a woman president?" That's a ridiculous thing to say, and only encourages sexism further. The fact that it was all over the news was abominable.
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Nice dog, Beth. If greyhounds didn't have such a strong prey drive, I'd consider adopting one myself.
We actually had two cats at the time of her adoption. She was tested for "cat friendliness" by the adoption agency. They put them into homes mimicking the potential parents own before they can go with the actual family. So there may be hope for you.
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I am, Laurie. Astonishing, wasn't it?
On a completely different note, I watched the U.S. figure-skating championship this weekend and thought of you when Johnny Weir was robbed. I didn't love his performance (I found more to admire in Jeremy Abbott's, which was flawed but had some very nice bits), but he clearly should've won.
Johnny Weir is the Tolliver Cranston of the aughts. I'm so proud of Johnny. He has been training like crazy with his new Russian coach, and it shows.
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Toller Cranston. For shame.
I don't think Johnny is half as original as Toller; he is, however, a more graceful skater.
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Awkward family holiday moment:
We're all sitting around at Christmas dinner, and my third cousin starts talking about New York and how she's so tired from all the working and the flying and everything.
So naturally my grandmother goes, "why were you in New York? Where were you working?"
"Oh, I've been helping out with the Giuliani campaign!" she replies, brightly.
Stunned silence.
"So you're a redneck now?" my grandma says.
Lots more silence and throat clearing. Someone goes into the kitchen to open some more wine.
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Toller Cranston. For shame.
I don't think Johnny is half as original as Toller; he is, however, a more graceful skater.
I KNEW THAT. Seriously. :(
I haven't really seen Toller Cranston skate. It's just my mom was in looooove with him. Girls love non-threatening gay boys.
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Toller Cranston. For shame.
I don't think Johnny is half as original as Toller; he is, however, a more graceful skater.
I KNEW THAT. Seriously. :(
I haven't really seen Toller Cranston skate. It's just my mom was in looooove with him. Girls love non-threatening gay boys.
She would love 2/3 of me!
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Toller Cranston. For shame.
I don't think Johnny is half as original as Toller; he is, however, a more graceful skater.
I KNEW THAT. Seriously. :(
I haven't really seen Toller Cranston skate. It's just my mom was in looooove with him. Girls love non-threatening gay boys.
She would love 2/3 of me!
Dave from Knoxville: threatening gay boy
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Oh for crying out loud:
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Iowa is not really that much of a Bible belt state, though it certainly has a considerable strand of the population who fit that description.
Definitely not. Portions of the Upper Midwest are a major democratic stronghold. Iowa swings a bit more, but just by proxy, Minnesota has not voted for a Republican presidential candidate since 1972 ~ which includes voting for Carter over Reagan, Mondale over Reagan and Dukkakis in 92. I believe it is the longest current streak of a state remaining "blue".
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Iowa is not really that much of a Bible belt state, though it certainly has a considerable strand of the population who fit that description.
Definitely not. Portions of the Upper Midwest are a major democratic stronghold. Iowa swings a bit more, but just by proxy, Minnesota has not voted for a Republican presidential candidate since 1972 ~ which includes voting for Carter over Reagan, Mondale over Reagan and Dukkakis in 92. I believe it is the longest current streak of a state remaining "blue".
But we have given Pawlenty two terms and elected Norm Coleman. In the past two elections it hasn't even been just the outstate voting conservative, it's been the metro area as well. Not only that, Pawlenty won last year in spite of his avid support of Bush and being the Republican golden boy.
It will be interesting to see what happens this year because the trends point to MN becoming a red state and I'd say right now they are purple.
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Haven't had my thumb on the pulse of political sentiment there in some time (beyond my friends, but they are, needless to say, quite rigid and predictable in their beliefs). I'd have to say Mondale losing to Coleman certainly was a wake up call. :-\
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Haven't had my thumb on the pulse of political sentiment there in some time (beyond my friends, but they are, needless to say, quite rigid and predictable in their beliefs). I'd have to say Mondale losing to Coleman certainly was a wake up call. :-\
Part of that was the circumstances. Mondale had very little time to campaign after Wellstone's death and they probably lost a lot of voters. Mondale didn't really have a chance.
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I recall a backlash over political talk during Wellstone's funeral. The media backlash itself was more of an offense to his memory than what happened, I thought. Didn't really think much of it until I saw that the Republicans went on to victory.
All I thought was how disappointing it is that people are so easily manipulated and swayed from one day to the next.
Doesn't seem right that Wellstone could be so easily and quickly dismissed like that.
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Does anyone else think these Mike Huckabee shirts are going to be ironic hipster collectibles in 2009 and make it into Urban Outfitters by 2010?
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H is for forgotten memories
U is for unanimous victory
C is for ? ? ?
K is for ? ? ?
A is for ? ? ?
B is for the bravery you've given us
E is for ? ? ?
E is for ? ? ?
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Is this for real?
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I VOTED! I FEEL SO SUPER!
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I VOTED! I FEEL SO SUPER!
Me too. Seriously. I always feel so good after I vote. I've been smiling all day.
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today is like the ultimate Tuesday:
obviously, the primaries
the super bowl parade (maybe not a big deal, but added a little excitement to my morning commute)
fat tuesday
the best show awards ceremony
*two week anniversary of Heath Leger's death
anyfot have a birthday?
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Once again, thank you North Carolina political parties for scheduling our primary in MAY.
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Once again, thank you North Carolina political parties for scheduling our primary in MAY.
Yeah, what's with that?
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Oh for crying out loud:
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Validity Scramble.
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Once again, thank you North Carolina political parties for scheduling our primary in MAY.
Yeah, what's with that?
We're a humble, measured lot. Which works out sometimes: for example, our most famous civil rights occurence is a sit-in at a lunch counter. No firehoses, no dogs, no axe handles. Of course, it shouldn't have taken us so long in the first place, but there you go.
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Is this for real?
Yep. Just check out MikeHuckabee.com. I also bet they'll be really popular among the WFMU staff come 2012 or so, assuming he doesn't run again.
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It's really interesting that Obama is winning the blue collar states while Hilary wins the upscale states. I always have thought that Obama might have been better off breaking rank and running with another party...who knows he still might if he doesn't win. But, I think it shows that the Democratic party is a two party system in itself.
All I know is a McCain/Clinton election would be pretty horrible.
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All I know is a McCain/Clinton election would be pretty horrible.
Yeah, can't say that match up would exactly inspire a great deal of passion within me.
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Would Hillary and Obama run together, with Obama in the VP seat? It would pretty much make sense.
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Is this for real?
Yep. Just check out MikeHuckabee.com. I also bet they'll be really popular among the WFMU staff come 2012 or so, assuming he doesn't run again.
Are you kidding? This is really popular with me RIGHT NOW.
I wish the election was over so i could buy one. I am completely in thrall of his guitar mastery.
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Boston (the band) zings Huckabee:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/02/boston-rocker-t.html (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/02/boston-rocker-t.html)