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That one's gotta be near the top of the pile.
Titanic also.
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the departed... that movie stunk! :-\
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Seriously, what gives with Shawshank Redemption? I mean, not a bad movie, but judging from popular opinion, people think it's like Citizen Kane or something.
Extremely over-rated.
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I think Shawshank Redemption is awesome. I can see thinking it's overrated, but "detest"?
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the departed... that movie stunk! :-\
Please don't tell me this has something to do with a "deus ex machina."
Somebody I know totally dumped on The Departed because of its ending, and while I agreed with the points they were making about that particular section of the film, it somehow didn't completely ruin the entire experience for me. Can't a movie still be worth something even if it has a bum ending?
Anyway, maybe that's not why you hated it at all, but I felt compelled to bring this up.
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Moving beyond loved ones, to friends and acquaintances.
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Fight Club
all todd solondz movies
Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels
Little Miss Sunshine
Also, I'm not really into Wes Anderson.
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Seriously, what gives with Shawshank Redemption? I mean, not a bad movie, but judging from popular opinion, people think it's like Citizen Kane or something.
Extremely over-rated.
I like it
it's just so damn watchable. That and Usual Suspects and The Game I can just sit down and watch at any given time no matter how many times I've seem them and enjoy.
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My mom sent me I Am Legendary on digital video disc. I thought it was good enough for one viewing. But only one.
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As I type this, I'm in the middle of watching "Into The Wild" with the people I'm staying with. This movie is triggering my "Hippie Kill Response." This rich kid is rejecting the selfishness of his family by acting even more selfish. I don't even get why all the Eddie Vedder freaks loved this... apparently his presence was enough to turn the rest of the movie around for them.
These same people made me watch "Funny Games" last week. I'll finish watching this if only to see witch one I hate more. I'm moving onto the next couch soon.
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Detest is a strong word but I will never watch Shawshank more than the one time I watched it.
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Detest is a strong word but I will never watch Shawshank more than the one time I watched it.
I'd like to see you avoid it. It's playing on 10 cable networks at any given time.
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I think Shawshank Redemption is awesome. I can see thinking it's overrated, but "detest"?
I love that movie.
Detest? Hmmmm...my mom loves "Bull Durham" but I never really got it. I don't really detest it though. Just not into it.
I know that every male friend of mine does NOT like "Lost in Translation" and every girl friend of mine loves it (including me). Interesting phenomenon. Just thought I'd point it out.
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I love Bull Durham.
Seriously with all the Shawshank love? I always thought that was a bro movie after I watched it I kind of wondered why it was a bro movie but still didn't really like it.
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I think Shawshank Redemption is awesome. I can see thinking it's overrated, but "detest"?
I love that movie.
Detest? Hmmmm...my mom loves "Bull Durham" but I never really got it. I don't really detest it though. Just not into it.
I know that every male friend of mine does NOT like "Lost in Translation" and every girl friend of mine loves it (including me). Interesting phenomenon. Just thought I'd point it out.
It just moves so damn slow and nothing much happens. Is the point of the movie to just create atmosphere?
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I'm a boy and I liked "Lost in Translation." I liked its mood, the setting, My Bloody Valentine, and Bill Murray. No way it should have won an Oscar for the screenplay of all things, though.
I also liked Marie Antoinette, but mostly for the costumes. I like that Sofia Coppola just makes these stylish, vapid films.
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I know that every male friend of mine does NOT like "Lost in Translation" and every girl friend of mine loves it (including me). Interesting phenomenon. Just thought I'd point it out.
I enjoy both Shawshank Redemption and Lost in Translation, and my Joe doesn't stand for Josephine.
My detestable movie is a novel: Catcher in the Rye. People stick up for the indefensible little punk in that book the same way they stick up for their terrible movie choices, like that changes how endlessly negative and unspectacular the book is.
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I'm a boy and I liked "Lost in Translation." I liked its mood, the setting, My Bloody Valentine, and Bill Murray. No way it should have won an Oscar for the screenplay of all things, though.
I also liked Marie Antoinette, but mostly for the costumes. I like that Sofia Coppola just makes these stylish, vapid films.
I'm with you 100% on both accounts. Although if anyone other than Bill had been in Lost in Translation, I probably wouldn't have bothered seeing it in the first place.
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As I type this, I'm in the middle of watching "Into The Wild" with the people I'm staying with. This movie is triggering my "Hippie Kill Response." This rich kid is rejecting the selfishness of his family by acting even more selfish.
Yeah I was pretty much cringing the entire movie. I love this quote from an Alaskan park ranger I found on Wikipedia. “I am exposed continually to what I will call the ‘McCandless Phenomenon.’ People, nearly always young men, come to Alaska to challenge themselves against an unforgiving wilderness landscape where convenience of access and possibility of rescue are practically nonexistent […] When you consider McCandless from my perspective, you quickly see that what he did wasn’t even particularly daring, just stupid, tragic, and inconsiderate."
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the departed... that movie stunk! :-\
Which is why I call it Who De-Farted?
My mom's been on me to watch Crash (the one about racism, not the one about people fucking car wrecks or whatever). I've never seen it, so I don't know if I "detest" it, but everything I've heard about it makes me think I would.
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My mom's been on me to watch Crash (the one about racism, not the one about people fucking car wrecks or whatever). I've never seen it, so I don't know if I "detest" it, but everything I've heard about it makes me think I would.
Don't. It's just as bad as you've heard.
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I finished Into The Wild. Dear God, at the end of the movie, I wanted that bear to take a swing at that kid more than anything in my life. I knew he was going to starve to death, but I was PRAYING they tacked on a twist ending where he's mauled by bears. That selfish little creep. Why did he got better looking the more homeless he got?
So did I hate it more than Funny Games?
Hard to say... one was arrogant in a 1st year film student vein, and the other was arrogant for a liberal arts major. I'm going to say that Into the Wild made me angrier. Only because it glorified the actions of some kid who thought he was better than people who worked for a living and was too good for soup kitchens. Adding insult to injury, it was also set to the voice of Eddie Veddor. Funny Games was just a really annoying film.
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Oh yeah, and Corpse Bride stunk.
Hand-me-down Tim Burton from Tim Burton.
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So many movies I love are mentioned in this thread.
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Detest is a strong word but I will never watch Shawshank more than the one time I watched it.
I'd like to see you avoid it. It's playing on 10 cable networks at any given time.
Ha, I don't have cable!
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Detest is a strong word but I will never watch Shawshank more than the one time I watched it.
I'd like to see you avoid it. It's playing on 10 cable networks at any given time.
Ha, I don't have cable!
Dammit!
I'll be projecting this on the side of you house tonight. No one gets off that easily.
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My detestable movie is a novel: Catcher in the Rye. People stick up for the indefensible little punk in that book the same way they stick up for their terrible movie choices, like that changes how endlessly negative and unspectacular the book is.
Seconded.
Also, I'll defend the actual Into the Wild kid, based on the book. The movie did unnecessary glorify him. But read the book before you start thinking you have him pegged. The book showed the harder edges the kid had, and what a dick he could be, and that yes he made some stunningly stupid choices. (If he had just bought a map of the area he was in he would have seen that he was about a 1/4 mile from a hand-crank pulley that he could have used to traverse the river.) Finishing the book, I thought the kid was a grade-A asshole (how he treated the old man (Hal Holbrook character) in the book was particularly cruel), but I respected him for how he tough he was, and how uncompromising he was in his view points. Now, uncompromising people are not much fun to be around, but they are interesting.
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More controversial picks!
American Beauty
(sorry Dorvid)
Magnolia
(I love every other PTA movie, but this one doesn't cut it for me)
Rockers
(I like the Jamaican culture and setting, am bored by the tedious caper)
Inland Empire
(Lynch's worst movie since Dune, and I've seen every Lynch movie at least 5 times. I liked the first 40 minutes a lot. The rest shows that he needs an editor and his eyes checked if he thinks that DV or whatever he's using looks as good as film.)
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Everyone I know, from every walk of life, loves Love, Actually. I think I need new friends and family. It is one of the few movies I have ever shut off. The look is so antiseptic and it feels like a coffee ad that goes on too long.
Also, I agree about American Beauty. "The suburbs aren't all they're cracked up to be!" Who knew?! It actually felt like a naughtier Three's Company. Neighbor peeks in the window, sees something he mistakes for sexual when it's not, and goes loopy. Jack Tripper, look out!
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Inland Empire
(Lynch's worst movie since Dune, and I've seen every Lynch movie at least 5 times. I liked the first 40 minutes a lot. The rest shows that he needs an editor and his eyes checked if he thinks that DV or whatever he's using looks as good as film.)
Even Lynch admitted that Inland Empire kind of failed. I still haven't seen it yet.
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Inland Empire
(Lynch's worst movie since Dune, and I've seen every Lynch movie at least 5 times. I liked the first 40 minutes a lot. The rest shows that he needs an editor and his eyes checked if he thinks that DV or whatever he's using looks as good as film.)
Even Lynch admitted that Inland Empire kind of failed. I still haven't seen it yet.
I liked it. It is long, though. I also liked Into the Wild. Not because I thought the kid was cool - I just thought it was a beautiful movie. (The Eddie Vedder crooning throughout was a bit offputting, admittedly.)
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My dad's favorite movies are Last of the Mohicans, Dances with Wolves, Braveheart, and the Lord of the Rings trilogy. I don't detest them except for Dances with Wolves but I never want to see any of them again. I guess I'm just not as masculine as him. Sorry, Dad.
A snootier movie my friends all like that I hate was Raging Bull and I actually bought it before I saw it.
As far as books go, the only novel I have ever left unfinished (and that's saying a lot for me) was Catch 22. After 75 pages I couldn't take it anymore. It was given to me by a friend who buys used copies of it whenever she sees it at a sale and gives it away because she loved it so much. Terrible.
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I got 20 minutes into Crash and I screamed at the writer/director (who were not present) "STOP MANIPULATING ME!" and shut it off.
I don't mind being emotionally manipulated by tv and movies, but for heaven's sake, don't be so freaking hamhanded about it.
Crash and Gladiator winning Best Picture Oscars has soured me on the Academy Awards forever.
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I've gotten pretty good at spotting movies that I'll hate, and avoiding them. The last movie that I remember totally hating (while everyone around me adored it) was My Big Fat Greek Wedding. I knew I would hate it, and I was right. I saw it with my in-laws, who thought it was a whole lot of fun.
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Even Lynch admitted that Inland Empire kind of failed. I still haven't seen it yet.
What? When did he say this? Inland Empire is my favorite Lynch movie.
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Fight Club is the essential pick here.
Also, I never saw what my friends saw in Magnolia or Punch Drunk Love. Or I guess I saw it, but I didn't like it.
I liked The Departed, but I would've liked it a lot better without that fucking rat that ran across the screen at the end. Jesus Christ, that was lame.
I also like Lost In Translation, but I can see why people don't, and it definitely ain't no Best Screenplay. My favorite thing about it is when I saw it in a shopping mall movie theatre that was empty except for me and my companion in the back and two blue-haired old ladies up in front. During the opening shot of ScarJo's posterior, I heard the one old lady do that disapproving lipsmacking sound that old ladies make and go "Hm.......SO......We're looking at someone's bottom, then." All-Time Classic.
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If anyone I cared for told me they loved The Boondock Saints, that person would be out of my life forever.
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Inland Empire is one of my favorite Lynch movies as well.
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Oh yeah, and Corpse Bride stunk.
Hand-me-down Tim Burton from Tim Burton.
I'm going to add most any tim burton to my list
especially edwards scissor hands
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Even Lynch admitted that Inland Empire kind of failed. I still haven't seen it yet.
What? When did he say this? Inland Empire is my favorite Lynch movie.
Inland Empire is my least favorite Lynch movie, but I also want to know when he said that.
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By contrast, my favorite Lynch project is Dumbland. That or the Ricky Board.
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I remember everyone telling me that the Full Monty was the funniest movie they'd seen in years. It didn't even seem like a comedy to me.
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I remember everyone telling me that the Full Monty was the funniest movie they'd seen in years. It didn't even seem like a comedy to me.
It was actually kind of vaguely depressing.
I did get a couple chuckles out of it and enjoyed it generally, but saying that it was outright funny or hilarious is over-extending it a little.
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Inland Empire
(Lynch's worst movie since Dune, and I've seen every Lynch movie at least 5 times. I liked the first 40 minutes a lot. The rest shows that he needs an editor and his eyes checked if he thinks that DV or whatever he's using looks as good as film.)
I looooove Dune! Inland Empire was fun, but it's not his best. I liked the bunnies or donkeys or whatever they were.
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I kind of like Dune, too. It's just that I like all of his other movies (including Straight Story, Wild at Heart, and Fire Walk with Me) better.
I also like Dune more than Inland Empire, with the exception of the pretty awesome first 1/10 of Inland Empire.
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If anyone I cared for told me they loved The Boondock Saints, that person would be out of my life forever.
I met a nice lady that I was very interested in, and then she showed me her Boondock Saints tattoos.
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I am kicking it back, Tom-list style.
By the way, I think I have read Catch-22 7 times. I did not do so under duress. The movies' not much though.
Among the movies listed on this list so far, I would rank them thusly:
Magnolia
Royal Tenenbaums
Fight Club
The Straight Story
Usual Suspects
American Beauty
Shawshank
Punch Drunk Love
Wild at Heart
Lost in Translation
Lord of the Rings Trilogy
Dances With Wolves
Edward Scissorhands
Bull Durham
Last Of the Mohicans
Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels
Departed
Little Miss Sunshine
Life Aquatic
The Game
Full Monty
Inland Empire
Bottle Rocket
Raging Bull
Fire Walk With Me
Crash (racism)
Rushmore
Happiness
Welcome To the Dollhouse
Dune
Corpse Bride
Titanic
Big Fat Greek Wedding
Forrest Gump
Darjeeling Limited
Crash (wreckage)
Hotel Chevalier
Storytelling
Planet Of the Apes (Burton)
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Even Lynch admitted that Inland Empire kind of failed. I still haven't seen it yet.
What? When did he say this? Inland Empire is my favorite Lynch movie.
Inland Empire is my least favorite Lynch movie, but I also want to know when he said that.
He said it in this interview for AFI. He starts talking about Inland Empire at the 8:05 mark. At one point the interviewer asks if he liked the approach Lynch used to make the moview and Lynch says "no." Maybe I over-interpreted it but I think that says a lot.
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Life is Beautiful. I hate everything about it.
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Life is Beautiful. I hate everything about it.
And:
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Life is Beautiful. I hate everything about it.
Wait, whut?
Oh, you're talking about the movie.
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This is one that EVERYONE is still telling me I HAVE TO SEE. I'll never see it - I've put my foot down.
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My least favorite Lynch movie is probably <i>Lost Highway</i>. Movie didn't age well for me (90s industrial soundtrack, a poor idea) and I've never been able to establish any sense of sympathy with any of the characters whatsoever.
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Moving beyond loved ones, to friends and acquaintances.
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Fight Club
all todd solondz movies
Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels
Little Miss Sunshine
Also, I'm not really into Wes Anderson.
Todd Solondz really? I liked Welcome to the Dollhouse and Happiness. Wes Anderson wow!
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Moving beyond loved ones, to friends and acquaintances.
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Fight Club
all todd solondz movies
Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels
Little Miss Sunshine
Todd Solondz really? I liked Welcome to the Dollhouse and Happiness. Wes Anderson wow!
Also, I'm not really into Wes Anderson.
I recently saw Palindromes and now I hate Todd Solondz forever and ever. And yeah, Little Miss Sunshine was a letdown.
I just thought of one...effing The Fountain. Should have trusted my instincts on that one, but people were like "it's amazing!" "it will change your life!"
After it was over my boyfriend declared that the whole thing was like some weird, live-action Tool album cover. I agreed. What a boring, pointless movie. Terrible acting, too.
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I liked Rushmore, but the affected quirkiness of Royal Tenenbaums and Life Aquatic really bugged me. I got tired of the quirky indie aesthetic right before RT came out, I guess. Bottle Rocket I saw but don't remember. RT was merely bad, but Life Aquatic was plain terrible. I have no interest in seeing Darjeeling. His movies just seem to be posturing to me.
The road from Wes Anderson leads right to Juno. You know that.
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I liked Rushmore, but the affected quirkiness of Royal Tenenbaums and Life Aquatic really bugged me. I got tired of the quirky indie aesthetic right before RT came out, I guess. Bottle Rocket I saw but don't remember. RT was merely bad, but Life Aquatic was plain terrible. I have no interest in seeing Darjeeling. His movies just seem to be posturing to me.
The road from Wes Anderson leads right to Under Siege 2. You know that.
Bottle Rocket is probably his least quirky.
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Braveheart and Gladiator
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As much as people love it, I never felt I needed to watch Amelie more than once. I've always preferred A Very Long Engagement.
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I am kicking it back, Tom-list style.
By the way, I think I have read Catch-22 7 times. I did not do so under duress. The movies' not much though.
Among the movies listed on this list so far, I would rank them thusly:
Darjeeling Limited
Crash (wreckage)
How on Earth did Darjeeling Limited end up only a notch above Crash?! Dave? Please PLEASE re-think that one.
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I like how both "Crash"s wound up on Dave's list. I'm pro Crash (wreckage) however.
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A couple of my dumber co-workers actually saw August Rush and liked it. Holy smokes is that one outrageously bad movie. I saw it in Cape Town on vacation when it was raining and almost left to walk around a very bad neighborhood just to get away from Robin Williams and his cr33py pied piper schtick. When I got home from SA, I hoped and prayed every Tuesday night that Tom would say he'd seen the movie just so I could hear him shred it on the air and confirm everything I thought I was seeing.
Key quotes (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0426931/quotes):
Hope: Do you like music?
August Rush: More than food.
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Wizard: You know what music is? God's little reminder that there's something else besides us in this universe; harmonic connection between all living beings, every where, even the stars.
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Lyla Novacek: I'm trying to find my son.
Woman at Desk: Name?
Lyla Novacek: I don't know.
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Hope: You remember how you said Mozart was a musical prod?
Reverend James: Prodigy.
Hope: Yeah, well, I've got one of those and he's living under my bed!
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I am kicking it back, Tom-list style.
By the way, I think I have read Catch-22 7 times. I did not do so under duress. The movies' not much though.
Among the movies listed on this list so far, I would rank them thusly:
Darjeeling Limited
Crash (wreckage)
How on Earth did Darjeeling Limited end up only a notch above Crash?! Dave? Please PLEASE re-think that one.
I guess there's just no accounting for taste, but I found the combined smirkage of the three leads almost equal in hatability to a Billy Crystal monologue. Just unacceptably smug and self-satisfied, for my taste.
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I finished Into The Wild. Dear God, at the end of the movie, I wanted that bear to take a swing at that kid more than anything in my life. I knew he was going to starve to death, but I was PRAYING they tacked on a twist ending where he's mauled by bears. That selfish little creep. Why did he got better looking the more homeless he got?
So did I hate it more than Funny Games?
Hard to say... one was arrogant in a 1st year film student vein, and the other was arrogant for a liberal arts major. I'm going to say that Into the Wild made me angrier. Only because it glorified the actions of some kid who thought he was better than people who worked for a living and was too good for soup kitchens. Adding insult to injury, it was also set to the voice of Eddie Veddor. Funny Games was just a really annoying film.
Oh boy, Into the Wild. I really wanted him to die. Burning money.. >:(
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Dave, I love you for starting this thread with my all-time most hated loved movie. What a piece of garbage.
I would also add Todd Solondz, American Beauty (I will admit that I really did like it when it first came out, but realized I had been bamboozled), and most PT Anderson films except for TWBB and about 2/3 of Boogie Nights. In terms of uncontroversial (in these parts) opinions: Fight Club, anything by Kevin Smith, most of Oliver Stone's oeuvre. I hated Reservoir Dogs, plus anything Tarantino's done except Pulp Fiction.
I thought Pi was totally overrated, though I didn't hate it.
I liked Little Miss Sunshine, though a lot of my friends hated it. I guess it was a little overdetermined. Liked Amelie and Life is Beautiful just fine.
My most controversial opinion of all: I really do not get Godard. I understand his importance in the history of cinema, etc. etc., but I have yet to be able to stay awake through one of his movies.
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My most controversial opinion of all: I really do not get Godard. I understand his importance in the history of cinema, etc. etc., but I have yet to be able to stay awake through one of his movies.
I'm with you on this one. I had a similar reaction to The Squid and the Whale. Zzzz....
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See, I kinda loved The Squid N' The Whale.
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See, I kinda loved The Squid N' The Whale.
But isn't that because you enjoy spreading your seed in libraries?
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See, I kinda loved The Squid N' The Whale.
But isn't that because you enjoy spreading your seed in libraries?
I don't enjoy it. I do it because I have to.
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Movies I don't care for (detest is too strong a word) that my loved ones adore include much of the fantasy/action/adventure genres, e.g. Lord of the Rings trilogy, Dune, Hellboy 2 (sorry) etc.
I have tried to appreciate these movies, and go to see them on a regular basis just to play along and be a good loved one. Through this compromise is the benefit is that I don't have to see indie flicks alone, and other things.
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My most controversial opinion of all: I really do not get Godard. I understand his importance in the history of cinema, etc. etc., but I have yet to be able to stay awake through one of his movies.
Ahhh! How could you fall asleep to A Woman is a Woman or Breathless or Band of Outsiders?
I find a lot of his later/political films, like La Chinoise kind of boring, but he has so many other good ones.
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I've gotten pretty good at spotting movies that I'll hate, and avoiding them. The last movie that I remember totally hating (while everyone around me adored it) was My Big Fat Greek Wedding. I knew I would hate it, and I was right. I saw it with my in-laws, who thought it was a whole lot of fun.
I hate My Big Fat Greek Wedding so, so much. I hate the acting. I hate the directing. I hate the plot. I hate the character arcs. I hate the novelty of the character that tried to fix everything with Windex. And I hate that so many people liked it.
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I think from my reply it will become clear that most of my loved ones are idiots of the we-went-to-college-together variety: either they're stoner idiots or pretentious idiots. Here we go:
-Donnie Darko
-Anything starring Ben Stiller (with the exception of "Flirting With Disaster," which is kind of good.) This includes "Meet the Parents," "Dodgeball," and ESPECIALLY "Reality Bites" and "Your Friends and Neighbors."
-There's a few overlaps here, because I also hate anything starring Vince Vaughn (even movies like "Old School," which I didn't mind so much at first, I have come to hate on repeat viewings) and anything having to do with Neil LaBute. Jason, help me out here. What don't I get about Neil LaBute?
-Top Gun
Finally, somewhat controversial choices: " Seven" and "A Clockwork Orange." Sure, they're interesting, but I would rather pull my eyelashes out one by one than sit through either of these movies again. "Seven" is just too grotesque for me to watch--I'm pretty squeamish about violence and torture on film--and...well...I'm just really suspicious of anyone who really loves "A Clockwork Orange," especially if he (and it's always guys) has an Alex poster on his wall. Be honest--do people who really love this movie enough to watch it repeatedly kind of enjoy the rape scenes? In a purely unironic way?
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I think from my reply it will become clear that most of my loved ones are idiots of the we-went-to-college-together variety: either they're stoner idiots or pretentious idiots. Here we go:
-Donnie Darko
-Anything starring Ben Stiller (with the exception of "Flirting With Disaster," which is kind of good.) This includes "Meet the Parents," "Dodgeball," and ESPECIALLY "Reality Bites" and "Your Friends and Neighbors."
-There's a few overlaps here, because I also hate anything starring Vince Vaughn (even movies like "Old School," which I didn't mind so much at first, I have come to hate on repeat viewings) and anything having to do with Neil LaBute. Jason, help me out here. What don't I get about Neil LaBute?
-Top Gun
Finally, somewhat controversial choices: " Seven" and "A Clockwork Orange." Sure, they're interesting, but I would rather pull my eyelashes out one by one than sit through either of these movies again. "Seven" is just too grotesque for me to watch--I'm pretty squeamish about violence and torture on film--and...well...I'm just really suspicious of anyone who really loves "A Clockwork Orange," especially if he (and it's always guys) has an Alex poster on his wall. Be honest--do people who really love this movie enough to watch it repeatedly kind of enjoy the rape scenes? In a purely unironic way?
I love every David Fincher movie
there really isn't that much gross out stuff in Se7ven
it is mostly hinted at or suggested
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Ahhh! How could you fall asleep to A Woman is a Woman or Breathless or Band of Outsiders?
To be fair, Breathless is the only one of those that I've seen (I've seen a couple of others - Masculin/Feminin, that King Lear that he did, I think there have to have been others. So I'm still willing to have my socks knocked off, but yeah, it just hasn't done it for me so far. Something about the weird cutting leaves me cold for some reason. But I'm still working my way through his oeuvre.
Jason, help me out here. What don't I get about Neil LaBute?
I think you get it. He writes the same play or movie over and over again about twice a year, and it wasn't that great to begin with. Everyone I know in the theater world thinks that his work sucks and that critics and theaters in the US and UK fawn all over it because he had success in film (though it was really just the first one) and then became a playwright, which never, ever happens. It's pretty much just another example of the sort of pathetic, low-level starfucking one sees throughout theater, the literary equivalent of casting Tina Yothers in a new play because she's a "draw."
Anyway, people say he's a nice guy (never met him), but his work blows.
I'm just really suspicious of anyone who really loves "A Clockwork Orange," especially if he (and it's always guys) has an Alex poster on his wall. Be honest--do people who really love this movie enough to watch it repeatedly kind of enjoy the rape scenes? In a purely unironic way?
This is pretty insightful. I think both the movie and the book are really good, but once was enough for both of them. What gets routinely missed by the Alex-worshipping hipster goons is the fact that it's supposed to be a real discussion about crime vs. civil liberties (much of which gets lost in the film, probably because Kubrick was a stylist above all else). Here's a really wrenching factoid for ya: the event that happens to the victims in the book had happened in real-life to the book's author, Anthony Burgess (presumably not the singing and stuff, but who knows?). He had to drink heavily while writing it in order to get through it.
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I can easily see the type who really likes A Clockwork Orange or Seven turning into the type who really likes Neil LaBute movies when they get older. It's probably a good idea to remain suspicious.
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-Anything starring Ben Stiller (with the exception of "Flirting With Disaster," which is kind of good.) This includes "Meet the Parents," "Dodgeball," and ESPECIALLY "Reality Bites" and "Your Friends and Neighbors."
I still think Zoolander and There's Something About Mary are excellent. I don't care much about his other movies.
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The problem with Clockwork Orange (the book) to me is that it distracts attention from the fact that Burgess is actually a really great and erudite author who's written a lot of great other books in wildly different styles.
The best thing about the movie Clockwork Orange is those little tapes that Alex listened to.
I like Breathless because it's stylish. Godard was the Sofia Coppola of his day. Those movies are about handsome people wearing cool clothes in interesting circumstances. But Truffaut made movies that are more engaging. And who did that one movie about the little boy walking around town? He goes to a tilt-a-whirl? I can never keep these guys straight. And I've also gotta say that I enjoy American and Italian movies (like Il Posto) of the same time period a lot more.
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I watched a few Godard movies while I was in college and never got too excited about them either way. Recently I decided to give him another try and watched (or rather tried to watch) Alphaville. Ew buoy. Awfulville is more like it, am I right ladies and gentlemen?
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And who did that one movie about the little boy walking around town? He goes to a tilt-a-whirl?
Truffaut, The 400 Blows. Awesome movie, definitely in my top 10 (along with Casablanca, Silence of The Lambs, Children of Men, Caddyshack, Sunset Boulevard, Fanny & Alexander, Vertigo, Mulholland Drive, I'll have to get back to you on #10).
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I watched a few Godard movies while I was in college and never got too excited about them either way. Recently I decided to give him another try and watched (or rather tried to watch) Alphaville. Ew buoy. Awfulville is more like it, am I right ladies and gentlemen?
No way! I was about to suggest Alphaville as the one to win over skeptics. I love it.
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And who did that one movie about the little boy walking around town? He goes to a tilt-a-whirl?
Truffaut, The 400 Blows. Awesome movie, definitely in my top 10 (along with Casablanca, Silence of The Lambs, Children of Men, Caddyshack, Sunset Boulevard, Fanny & Alexander, Vertigo, Mulholland Drive, I'll have to get back to you on #10).
I was about to write that the only Godard movie I've seen is 400 Blows. But then I googled it. Great movie.
I think your #10 should be another French movie "The Wages of Fear," or perhaps the French-Canadian "Leolo."
Children of Men? Really?
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-Anything starring Ben Stiller (with the exception of "Flirting With Disaster," which is kind of good.) This includes "Meet the Parents," "Dodgeball," and ESPECIALLY "Reality Bites" and "Your Friends and Neighbors."
I still think Zoolander and There's Something About Mary are excellent. I don't care much about his other movies.
Agreed. I can also understand people detesting the Farrelly Bros for all their work after There's something About Mary, but I think Kingpin/Dumb and Dumber/Something About Mary is a great comedy trilogy. Plus who can dislike Jonathan Richman in Something About Mary?
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I forgot about "There's Something About Mary" and "Zoolander." I guess those are good, too.
Best line in "There's Something About Mary":
"I'm moving to Miami to work for Rice-A-Roni."
"Really? I thought that was the San Francisco treat."
"Yeah, well, they're changing their image.
Cracks me up every time.
Jason's #10 favorite movie happens to be my #1 favorite movie of all time, which, of course, is "Clueless."
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I hate My Big Fat Greek Wedding so, so much. I hate the acting. I hate the directing. I hate the plot. I hate the character arcs. I hate the novelty of the character that tried to fix everything with Windex. And I hate that so many people liked it.
Ha!
I used to work in an art theatre in a suburban mall, and right as we were literally about to go out of business Greek Wedding opened up and played to sold out crowds of housewives daily for 9 months straight and kept us open. Despite this fact, the eccentric, bitter aspiring screenwriter who managed the place at the time decided after viewing it that it was the most evil, soul-killing film ever made, and embarked on a campaign to destroy it, despite the fact that it literally saved all of our jobs singlehandedly. Showings would start later and later, he would "forget" to include showtimes for it in the newspaper ads for the theatre, and he would literally argue with every customer - hundreds daily - who tried to buy a ticket for it. Like, actively disparage it to their faces at the ticket counter and try to discourage them from seeing it. Short of refusing to screen it at all, I literally don't think he could have done anything more to prevent people from seeing that film. Despite this, the film was unstoppable, and literally made at LEAST a couple hundred thousand dollars at our tiny theatre that year.
I don't really have any opinion one way or the other on My Big Fat Greek Wedding. I mean, I'm sure it sucks, but I've never seen it. That just brought that memory back to me. Heady days, indeed....
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Jason's #10 favorite movie happens to be my #1 favorite movie of all time, which, of course, is "Clueless."
I had that whole movie memorized at one point.
"Okay, so I know what you're thinking. Like, is this a Noxema commercial or what?"....and so on.
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Children of Men? Really?
Yep. I have to make sure that it holds up to repeated viewings, but I really do think that it hits my favorite sweet spot of dystopian sci-fi, social commenary, and innovative filmmaking. I have a whole separate top-whatever list for this (some of them pure camp, like Planet of the Apes), but like Slavoj Zizek says on the DVD commenary, in Cueron movies the real story takes place in the background.
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Yep. I have to make sure that it holds up to repeated viewings, but I really do think that it hits my favorite sweet spot of dystopian sci-fi, social commenary, and innovative filmmaking. I have a whole separate top-whatever list for this (some of them pure camp, like Planet of the Apes), but like Slavoj Zizek says on the DVD commenary, in Cueron movies the real story takes place in the background.
Nicely said. I liked (and have never seen or heard anyone point out - maybe I just haven't been looking for it) that all that stuff happening in the background - all the dystopian stuff, basically - is stuff that's already happening all over of the world. It's only the privileged few, the intended audience, that would read it as sci-fi.
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+1 to votes for Rushmore, The Royal Tennenbaums, Happiness, Magnolia, and Punch-Drunk Love.
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I HATE There's Something About Mary. It's like Cabbage Patch cards and Garbage Pail cards shuffled together, and I've never bought Stiller as a lead. If Jonathan Richman were in Chasing Amy, it would still be a piece of shit.
I watched Boondock Saints and couldn't believe how much I despised it. And I have a high tolerance for uninspired Tarantino knockoffs. I was surprisingly cool with Gummo, but I'm not sure why the world ever subjected itself to Kids.
Also, The Simpsons has started to grate on me. Sorry.
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I'm just really suspicious of anyone who really loves "A Clockwork Orange," especially if he (and it's always guys) has an Alex poster on his wall. Be honest--do people who really love this movie enough to watch it repeatedly kind of enjoy the rape scenes? In a purely unironic way?
Yeah, probably. It does seem to appeal to a lot of whiskey-dicked misogynists who don't normally seek out piercing social commentary. There's even an astoundingly shitty punk band (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Adicts) that based its whole career on a Clockwork Orange costume party.
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There was a year (1994? 95?) where I saw every movie high as a kite and loved almost all of them, including some truly hideous pieces of shit - Kids, Mallrats, and Natural Born Killers were among them. I still didn't like Forrest Gump, though, and I saw it twice.
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I liked the movie Kids because I think it accurately captured that kids of my age (and they were pretty much exactly my age when the movie came out) were pieces of shit.
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I know that every male friend of mine does NOT like "Lost in Translation" and every girl friend of mine loves it (including me). Interesting phenomenon. Just thought I'd point it out.
I like Lost In Translation.
My brother said he hated it because it's every snooty girl's dream to have an emotional affair with someone rich and funny and older and more experienced and who won't demand to get laid. Like this is some kind of dark and evil fantasy the ladies have. I guess that's just sort of an inversion of every guy's fontasy: to have sex with someone younger and less experienced who won't demand emotional attachment? Also, I wasn't so sure that Scarlett didn't want to bone Bill Murray in that movie, just didn't happen, which seemed pretty believable. I think ultimately, the lack of boning gave this movie a blue-ball rating for dudes. They're like "I sat through Bill Murray making fun of Chinese people in a hospital for ten minutes and I don't even get to see Johansen's ass again? Maybe they feel that the dude from Meatball's should not be squandered on this mousey snob sulking around in a giant hotel. Still, I really liked the film, but not sure if I could watch it again.
I sure do hate the director, though. So there you have it.
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I watched Boondock Saints and couldn't believe how much I despised it. And I have a high tolerance for uninspired Tarantino knockoffs. I was surprisingly cool with Gummo, but I'm not sure why the world ever subjected itself to Kids.
I've spazzed out on the Boondock Saints on this board before, so I'm not going to do it again.
But yes, that is the worst movie ever made. I'm so glad that tool who directed it self-destructed before he could make any more garbage.
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I watched Boondock Saints and couldn't believe how much I despised it. And I have a high tolerance for uninspired Tarantino knockoffs. I was surprisingly cool with Gummo, but I'm not sure why the world ever subjected itself to Kids.
I've spazzed out on the Boondock Saints on this board before, so I'm not going to do it again.
But yes, that is the worst movie ever made. I'm so glad that tool who directed it self-destructed before he could make any more garbage.
Maybe this has come up before, but has anyone ever enjoyed the documentary about that guy crashing and burning, Overnight? Sooo satisfying. It almost makes the existence of Boondock Saints worthwhile, just for the poetic justice of seeing that FWD getting his just desserts.
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Maybe this has come up before, but has anyone ever enjoyed the documentary about that guy crashing and burning, Overnight? Sooo satisfying. It almost makes the existence of Boondock Saints worthwhile, just for the poetic justice of seeing that FWD getting his just desserts.
Great doc. I was listening to a Bryce call last night in which he called this his favorite movie of the year.
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Children of Men? Really?
Yep. I have to make sure that it holds up to repeated viewings, but I really do think that it hits my favorite sweet spot of dystopian sci-fi, social commenary, and innovative filmmaking. I have a whole separate top-whatever list for this (some of them pure camp, like Planet of the Apes), but like Slavoj Zizek says on the DVD commenary, in Cueron movies the real story takes place in the background.
I also really love "Children of Men." For me it's the really excellent blend of the personal and the political, the reluctant individual forced to do heroic things and only barely accepting this as his fate. I think it's wonderfully shot and a lot more upsetting and moving than many more topical war films.