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The Best Show on WFMU => Show Discussion => Topic started by: Richard_From_CHI on September 11, 2008, 10:22:10 AM
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Did this kid not have parents. Anyone gets too close, or too inappropriate with my kid I tell them politely to step back. That is you job as a parent, protect and nurture your child.
Animals.
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Maybe it was a mentally and emotionally weak child that needed toughening up? Weakness can only be ignored for so long in a child before it begins damaging the core of the family. As americans, I feel that our children are our greatest asset.
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You don't toughen up a kid by calling them a crybaby. It just makes them feel like shit. Anyone ever call you a crybaby when you were a kid? Did it help?
You have to try to empower them, not cut them down.
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Maybe it was a mentally and emotionally weak child that needed toughening up? Weakness can only be ignored for so long in a child before it begins damaging the core of the family. As americans, I feel that our children are our greatest asset.
Boot camp for two-year olds! These little monsters have been sapping our resources long enough!
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You know what kids like? Having their little bodies pushed to the limit!
Also I have noticed that they are good at scrounging up food.
-Ajax
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what the hell was wrong with that father? if a salesclerk called my kid a crybaby once, let alone multiple times, her ass would have been reported so fast.
and then she picked the kid up? she was holding him? what the holy hell?
yeah so i don't know who deserves a solid kick to the shins more: the salesclerk or the dad.
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ive never called a kid a crybaby, but i have told more than one kid theyre a snob, "it's snobs versus slobs and slobs always win; get on the right team."
granted, these kids are strictly mini-versions of friends. i dont think i could unload on a stranger kid.
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The only way I could rationalize that story while listening, in that nobody beat the clerk up etc, is that she must have known the kid somehow. Relative maybe?
I mean if not, can you imagine? I can be pretty short with clerks when they act out of bounds with me, who knows how nuts I'd go if they did something that insane to my child, geez.
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what the hell was wrong with that father? if a salesclerk called my kid a crybaby once, let alone multiple times, her ass would have been reported so fast.
and then she picked the kid up? she was holding him? what the holy hell?
yeah so i don't know who deserves a solid kick to the shins more: the salesclerk or the dad.
Yeah, what are you doing letting a stranger pick your kid up? I mean lets assume that the clerk was trying to be funny, but if it was clearly upsetting the child, why would you let this go on?
Now that I have a kid I must admit I watch the behaviors of other parents and I am shocked at some of what I see.
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Maybe it was a mentally and emotionally weak child that needed toughening up? Weakness can only be ignored for so long in a child before it begins damaging the core of the family. As americans, I feel that our children are our greatest asset.
I'm qouting myself so that it's clear I was totally joking. All you should do with other people's kids is wave and say hi, maybe a balloon animal.
Also, I keep it in mind that very young kids don't get sarcasm. I've seen parents and adults "joke" around with children in a way that, to me, seemed almost aggressive.
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Oh, I thought the mother was calling the brat a crybaby, not the sales clerk! The nerve of that brainless button pusher to try to do the mother's job! That kid is goiong to be effed up and won't be able to shop when it gets old. In 25-30 years, when check out girls start disappearing from that area, I'll bet you their bodies will be found in the crawl space under that crybaby's home. You can't undo the damage done by pushy strangers.
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Maybe it was a mentally and emotionally weak child that needed toughening up? Weakness can only be ignored for so long in a child before it begins damaging the core of the family. As americans, I feel that our children are our greatest asset.
I'm qouting myself so that it's clear I was totally joking. All you should do with other people's kids is wave and say hi, maybe a balloon animal.
Also, I keep it in mind that very young kids don't get sarcasm. I've seen parents and adults "joke" around with children in a way that, to me, seemed almost aggressive.
I thought you were serious!
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Oh, I thought the mother was calling the brat a crybaby, not the sales clerk! The nerve of that brainless button pusher to try to do the mother's job! That kid is goiong to be effed up and won't be able to shop when it gets old. In 25-30 years, when check out girls start disappearing from that area, I'll bet you their bodies will be found in the crawl space under that crybaby's home. You can't undo the damage done by pushy strangers.
Hey Julie, you should probably refer to the child as "he" or "she." You can refer to an animal of indeterminate gender as "it." Maybe you could refer to the sales clerk as "it," in this case. But not to nitpick -- I generally agree with the sentiments you expressed.
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Oh, I thought the mother was calling the brat a crybaby, not the sales clerk! The nerve of that brainless button pusher to try to do the mother's job! That kid is goiong to be effed up and won't be able to shop when it gets old. In 25-30 years, when check out girls start disappearing from that area, I'll bet you their bodies will be found in the crawl space under that crybaby's home. You can't undo the damage done by pushy strangers.
Hey Julie, you should probably refer to the child as "he" or "she." You can refer to an animal of indeterminate gender as "it." Maybe you could refer to the sales clerk as "it," in this case. But not to nitpick -- I generally agree with the sentiments you expressed.
Sorry Fido. I have trouble with my English grammar. In german, a child is neuter.
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Sorry Fido. I have trouble with my English grammar. In german, a child is neuter.
for that statement, and reasons too numerous to mention, i gotta say - i'm a huge julie from cincinnati fan.
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I'm way too obsessed with minor grammatical points for my own damn good. I probably deserve to be slapped.
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Sorry Fido. I have trouble with my English grammar. In german, a child is neuter.
for that statement, and reasons too numerous to mention, i gotta say - i'm a huge julie from cincinnati fan.
You're a sicko.
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I'm way too obsessed with minor grammatical points for my own damn good. I probably deserve to be slapped.
Oh, never say that! Spelling doesn't matter, but grammar is what separates us from the apes.
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Now that I have a kid I must admit I watch the behaviors of other parents and I am shocked at some of what I see.
yup. becoming a parent has made me simultaneously more understanding and more judgmental of other parents.
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Sorry Fido. I have trouble with my English grammar. In german, a child is neuter.
for that statement, and reasons too numerous to mention, i gotta say - i'm a huge julie from cincinnati fan.
You're a sicko.
call me what you will - just don't stop calling tom (please.)
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Sorry Fido. I have trouble with my English grammar. In german, a child is neuter.
for that statement, and reasons too numerous to mention, i gotta say - i'm a huge julie from cincinnati fan.
You're a sicko.
call me what you will - just don't stop calling tom (please.)
oh, when I read that that, I thought you said stop calling Tom, which I plan to do soon. However, I was offended by thinking you were telling me what to do and I was going to keep calling with the hopes that you would have nightmares about me. But now I am not going to say anything mean to you, which would have been only a reflection of what I think about me, so please don't be offended by the things I thought. You are nice and should try jogging for your health.
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I'm way too obsessed with minor grammatical points for my own damn good. I probably deserve to be slapped.
Oh, never say that! Spelling doesn't matter, but grammar is what separates us from the apes.
I like that. Can I use that?
I read a funny New Yorker cartoon a while ago that showed one person saying to another, "Why is art education funding the first thing to be cut, when you just know that art is the one thing separating us from the apes?" I loved that, but I like yours better. You better not encourage me, however. Or Sarah, for that matter.
About the whole crybaby thing -- who did everyone want to castigate more, the inattentive dad or the stupid store clerk? I'm not sure myself.
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The Dad for sure. The clerk was being a dumbass, even if her intentions were good, but it is the Dad's responsibility to take care of his child. For shame lame-o dad, for shame.
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Oh, I thought the mother was calling the brat a crybaby, not the sales clerk! The nerve of that brainless button pusher to try to do the mother's job! That kid is goiong to be effed up and won't be able to shop when it gets old. In 25-30 years, when check out girls start disappearing from that area, I'll bet you their bodies will be found in the crawl space under that crybaby's home. You can't undo the damage done by pushy strangers.
Hey Julie, you should probably refer to the child as "he" or "she." You can refer to an animal of indeterminate gender as "it." Maybe you could refer to the sales clerk as "it," in this case. But not to nitpick -- I generally agree with the sentiments you expressed.
What if the kid was transgendered?
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You know what kids like? Having their little bodies pushed to the limit!
Also I have noticed that they are good at scrounging up food.
-Ajax
Leave No Child Un-held-at-an-awkward-angle.
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Sorry Fido. I have trouble with my English grammar. In german, a child is neuter.
for that statement, and reasons too numerous to mention, i gotta say - i'm a huge julie from cincinnati fan.
You're a sicko.
call me what you will - just don't stop calling tom (please.)
I'm a huge JfC fan too. I actually prefer her more mellow (i.e. sober) calls though.
Julie: you're great.
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call me what you will - just don't stop calling tom (please.)
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I'm a huge JfC fan too. I actually prefer her more mellow (i.e. sober) calls though.
Julie: you're great.
she's the best.
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I'm way too obsessed with minor grammatical points for my own damn good. I probably deserve to be slapped.
Oh, never say that! Spelling doesn't matter, but grammar is what separates us from the apes.
I like that. Can I use that?
I read a funny New Yorker cartoon a while ago that showed one person saying to another, "Why is art education funding the first thing to be cut, when you just know that art is the one thing separating us from the apes?" I loved that, but I like yours better. You better not encourage me, however. Or Sarah, for that matter.
About the whole crybaby thing -- who did everyone want to castigate more, the inattentive dad or the stupid store clerk? I'm not sure myself.
Sure, you can have those words, but if I see them at the thrift store in a few years, I'll jump off a bridge.
I think both the clerk and the papa should at least get shoved into a pile of rakes.
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Julie, we're becoming myspace friends.
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I'm a huge JfC fan too.
I'm glad I didn't try walking on water before I saw the f.
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Julie, we're becoming myspace friends.
I can't accept you until I get home from a party I'm going to after I finish working today. But then I will post a comment with a giant picture of Yetta for you.
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What if the kid was transgendered?
Would it be an it or would that still be rude?
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I work in a restaurant. Once, a woman let her 4-year-old perch dangerously on a wobbly chair because the little girl refused a booster seat. The woman, seated in the booth across from the girl--not even next to her!--asked me to push the girl's chair in. I wouldn't do it. I told her straight out that I never involve myself with other people's children in the highly unlikely event that something should happen.
The only exception is when I yanked a little boy out of the way of the swinging kitchen door that was about to nail him. His parents were letting him run around the place unsupervised. The swinging door had nailed an older man a few weeks earlier. That man ended up in the hospital with a concussion.
But unless your kid is about to get maimed by a 400-lb door swinging at 60 mph, I will not get involved at all.
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In german, a child is neuter.
(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t55/davebucket68/dasneuter3.jpg)
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I once saved a hippie baby at a Jerry Garcia Band concert at the Spectrum while I was tripping. The dreadlocked mom was totally distracted, and I sprinted down all of these stadium steps as everything in my peripheral vision melted into a long green tunnel. I scooped up the kid just as he was climbing over the balcony railing, and made a (probably totally nonsensical joke) to the mom as I handed the kid back to her.
(http://dallasvintageshop.com/wp-content/uploads/Image/superman_outfit.jpg)
I think the mom was actually really awful, like a seriously bad person.
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What was the joke?
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That Dad sucks. The salesclerk also sucks. My daughter sometimes does the clingy hiding thing, sometimes decides she spontaneously wants to tell her life story to somebody she's just met. Depends on her mood I suppose, or maybe kids have extra-sensitive jerk radar. I would for sure not abide somebody calling her a 'crybaby'.
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What was the joke?
Oh, I don't remember. But it wasn't, like, creepy or inappropriate, it was more like laughing after a moment of adrenaline - she was just kinda like oh, yeah, whatever, with this air of resentment, as if she was thinking, "listen, you square, don't tell me my 18-month-old-child can't scale a 30-foot-high mezzanine at the Spectrum if he wants." Maybe she wanted to be rid of the little tyke.
I think the negligent young moms at Dead shows were the real deal-breaker with hippies for me.
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Jason Grote, you should have taken the baby and run.
There is a crackhead who left her 4 or 5 year old son with me and some of my neighbors when we were building a community garden. She said she'd be right back and was gone for about 3 hours. She didn't know any of us, either. When she did come back, she ate about half of a pizza. Not once did she try to give her little boy pizza or a drink. (Of course, we fed him while she was gone, but she didn't know.) Someone was going to call the police just before she showed up. I see them walking down the street every now and then, and he has a puppy! She must have felt she wasn't living up to her potential to neglect.
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Imagine that? That kid would be... let me see... holy shit, I'd have a 15-year-old now. Would I have had to raise him as a hippie?
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I'm pretty sure hippie law dictates that answer to be yes.
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I think the negligent young moms at Dead shows were the real deal-breaker with hippies for me.
I went to a WTO, or something like that, protest one time just because I'd never been to a protest rally. The police were lined up on horses with guns pointed at a small crowd of protesters and at me, although I wasn't even shouting anything. What really bothered me, aside from the police, was that there were a few hippy parents carrying their babies around. Sure, if the cops shot the babies or beat the parents carrying the babies, then the cops really would be assholes and the cause would get a lot of good press. But what kind of parent would risk their child's safety like that? It wasn't a peaceful rally at all and there was no reason to expect it would be. An adult can decide to risk their own life for something, but how dare they risk a life that doesn't belong to them!
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Imagine that? That kid would be... let me see... holy shit, I'd have a 15-year-old now. Would I have had to raise him as a hippie?
You only have to raise him as a hippie if you wanted him to be a football star.
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Yeah, that is really horrible. Though I do know very good parents who bring their kids to marches and rallies - these days, though, all the cops have to do is say that they really like the nice law-abiding protesters but anarchists are ruining it for everybody, and then here comes the tear gas. That said, though, these people would probably recognize if things were going to get ugly from way off, and get their kids out of harms' way before it happened.
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Yeah, that is really horrible. Though I do know very good parents who bring their kids to marches and rallies - these days, though, all the cops have to do is say that they really like the nice law-abiding protesters but anarchists are ruining it for everybody, and then here comes the tear gas. That said, though, these people would probably recognize if things were going to get ugly from way off, and get their kids out of harms' way before it happened.
Yeah, but this was guaranteed to become violent. I think bringing kids to participate in things is good, but sacrificing your kids for your own belief is insane. But I hate the police just as much. Don't get the idea that I'm on their side.
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Anybody else read "Slouching Toward Bethlehem" by Joan Didion? It's basically all about how the Summer of Love in 1967 or whatever went seriously off the rails in.... uh, 1967. The story ends with a very disturbing cautionary vignette illustrating the potentially horrifying irresponsibility of hippie parenthood. It became instantly controversial and branded Didion as some kind of Republican villain in some circles, but unless she was making the whole thing up, she had a pretty good point. I'd have to say that whatever her politics are/were, she's a pretty damn good writer in my book.
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Didion's pretty interesting. As I understand it, she was one of those old-school, classical conservatives who were turned off by the 60s, but became sort of leftist by the 80s without actually changing her belief system all that much. Of course, one could argue that she went from being an elitist, marginal pre-Goldwater Republican to an elitist, marginal post-Nixon Democrat, but I still like her writing.