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Title: Belt and shirt question
Post by: yesno on July 14, 2010, 06:02:55 PM
* Is there a "right way" to wear a belt?  I'm talking about whether you thread it to your left or right.  Is it based on gender, or handedness?  Regardless of the answer to this question I am going to start alternating the way I wear my belt to more evenly distribute wear in the back.

* Can someone recommend to me a shirt that is the rough equivalent of Dickies?  I like Dickies, especially for travel, because although they're work pants (and have thick belt loops, and often extra pockets) they can pass as dress/casual pants--particular the grey and khaki varieties.  I say they are good for travel because they don't get dirty or wrinkled.  Or tear or wear out, really.  So what I'm looking for is basically a plain oxford shirt equivalent to Dickies, for traveling purposes.
Title: Re: Belt and shirt question
Post by: Bryan on July 14, 2010, 06:19:54 PM
I think there is a right way to wear a belt - like with jackets, and trousers, I think it's gendered. I don't know what that way is, though. I wear mine with my buckle on my left hand side. No one has ever accused me of doing it wrong, so I'm going to stick with it.

Another fashion question: anyone got any solutions for shoes/socks with shorts in a workplace?  What are some good styles of summer shoe to wear with shorts? Ideally something that will allow me to fool myself that I'm still a teeny bit cool.

I'm not going to wear sandals or flip-flops in my office. Others can do it if they like, but I'm just not going to. I have some of those short socks, but they're pretty dorky. And I do need socks, because in my experience wearing shoes without socks will ruin them.

This has been an ongoing problem for me - no joke.
Title: Re: Belt and shirt question
Post by: Christina on July 14, 2010, 06:31:32 PM
Another fashion question: anyone got any solutions for shoes/socks with shorts in a workplace?  What are some good styles of summer shoe to wear with shorts? Ideally something that will allow me to fool myself that I'm still a teeny bit cool.

I'm not going to wear sandals or flip-flops in my office. Others can do it if they like, but I'm just not going to. I have some of those short socks, but they're pretty dorky. And I do need socks, because in my experience wearing shoes without socks will ruin them.

This has been an ongoing problem for me - no joke.

Can you wear Chuck Taylors or Doc Martens/Fluevogs @ work with white socks? It's a little bit of a Beavis and Butthead look with shorts, but guys can look awful cute that way.
Title: Re: Belt and shirt question
Post by: yesno on July 14, 2010, 06:33:52 PM
Boat shoes.  They are designed to be sockless and can be thrown in the washer if they're about to be ruined.

(http://noun.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/84201_br6780.jpg)

Caution: boat shoes are casual shoes, and are suitable for warm weather (and boating).  I see people wearing them year round as "dress" shoes.

Weejuns are often worn sockless, but can't just abused and cleaned the same as as boat shoes.

(http://www.menshoenet.com/images/g/graphic-bass-logan-page-208.jpg)

Or Vans of some kind.  I usually wear plain-looking classic blue Vans to my work when I don't wear dressier shoes, but I keep dress shoes and an emergency suit at the office.

(http://www.ubiqlife.com/Images/products/300px/vans_auth_blue1.jpg)

All good and summery, and a few ticks above being sandals.
Title: Re: Belt and shirt question
Post by: DJ Clem on July 14, 2010, 07:09:31 PM
I'm a big fan of Dr.Martens's Robson line
http://drmartens.com/ProductDetail.asp?PID=12926201 (http://drmartens.com/ProductDetail.asp?PID=12926201)


(http://drmartens.com/images/products/lg/12927001.png)
Black w/pants, brown w/shorts. Can't go wrong.

I get dressed for work at 7am. If my belt isn't wrapped around my neck, I consider the dressing ritual a success.
Title: Re: Belt and shirt question
Post by: Christina on July 14, 2010, 07:35:19 PM
(http://www.fluevog.com/code/images/colour/0000000044/composite.jpg)

I am a huge Fluevogs fan - they make awesome shoes for dudes as well as ladies (I think you guys get gypped in the shoe dept)., they make vegan shoes if that is what you're looking for, and they wear great and are kickass comfortable right out of the box.

You can buy online, but I try and support the stores, because the people that work in the stores are really into their jobs and love what they do - they are obviously well taken care of by Mr. Fluevog. And there is a Mr. Fluevog! He's from Canada!

They also made shoes for the Danielson Family:

(http://www.fluevog.com/code/images/colour/0000002546/composite.jpg)

And they were also responsible for this shoe, worn by Lady Miss Kier, for those of you who were '90s club dorks:

(http://www.fluevog.com/code/images/colour/0000002762/composite.jpg)
Title: Re: Belt and shirt question
Post by: Sploops on July 14, 2010, 07:44:46 PM
This is how you should wear your belts.
(http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kwiznhhmyc1qaf11ro1_400.jpg)
Title: Re: Belt and shirt question
Post by: Gilly on July 14, 2010, 11:28:10 PM
Big thumbs up to Topsiders (boat shoes). They are the perfect summer shoe because I hate sandals with a passion.
Title: Re: Belt and shirt question
Post by: Sarah on July 15, 2010, 07:21:49 AM
I never thought there was a gender-related right way/wrong way to thread a belt.  I always figured it was more a matter of whether one is right- or left-handed.  According to a comment on this (http://www.mensflair.com/style-advice/how-to-pick-and-wear-a-belt.php) site, however, "Men’s belts should be threaded to the right and women’s belts are threaded to the left. ([F]ollow the direction of your zipper or button placket on your pants[.])"  Various other sites concur.  You can also read an exciting discussion about the subject here (http://www.styleforum.net/archive/index.php/t-20209.html).  Other fun conversations can be found on various gun sites. 

I say do what you want.
Title: Re: Belt and shirt question
Post by: yesno on July 15, 2010, 07:31:35 AM
It sounds like those people are just making stuff up.  I'll need to consult Alan Flusser.

Some guy wrote "Like my politics I like the belt going to the right." on one of those boards.  Nice.

I have recently been driven crazy by the ambiguous use of "right" and "left." What does that mean, "to the right?"  To whose right?  I'm doing some Rosetta Stone language lessons and they'll have a woman facing you pointing to her right.  For one question, the right answer involves something being "to the right."  The next question, woman facing you pointing to her right.  This time something is "to the left."  Come on, Rosetta Stone.  Get it straight.

No one is helping me out with my quest for magical travel shirts.
Title: Re: Belt and shirt question
Post by: Sarah on July 15, 2010, 08:02:18 AM
The vagueness of "right" and "left" in the context of belt wearing drove me nuts, too.  Also, I liked that some people said the reason men's belts and buttons are fastened in a particular way is that knights used to be dressed by women (not squires, for some reason), while others said the reason women's belts and buttons are fastened as they are is that women used to be dressed by their maids.  The best conflict was the one where someone insisted the RAF is the final arbiter on these matters and got all huffy when someone says insisting one way or another is right is "retarded." 

Me, I think you should wear two belts, one threaded to the left and the other to the right.

Finally, doesn't Dickies make shirts as well?
Title: Re: Belt and shirt question
Post by: Sarah on July 15, 2010, 08:05:11 AM
The answer is yes! (http://www.dickies.com/product/product_listing.jsp?FOLDER%3A%3Afolder_id=2534374302024405)
Title: Re: Belt and shirt question
Post by: Sarah on July 15, 2010, 08:08:37 AM
Also, you should of course wear black nylon socks and black dress shoes.  Or perhaps white shoes.  I'm not sure.  But black nylon socks, absolutely.  Maybe with garters.
Title: Re: Belt and shirt question
Post by: fonpr on July 15, 2010, 08:54:14 AM
No belt?  No shirt?  No problem.
Title: Re: Belt and shirt question
Post by: Paul DePhiladelphia on July 15, 2010, 09:05:43 AM
I really like BDG slim pants and J Crew casual dress shirts. I wear my belt buckle on the left side and honestly have to fix it if I put it on the night before when my pants aren't on.
I wear Timberland wingtips to work with a tie. 'Dress casual' I guess. But in an office with hardly any dress code I come out on top.

I really like BDG's new shorts and am safe with my size so I tend to stick with them and they are durable and slim but not skinny.
Adidas Sambas look good without socks but can get smelly. Keep baby powder in your home.
My lady friend loves guys in shorts, a thing I didn't know a lot of girls like so much.
Title: Re: Belt and shirt question
Post by: mahgeetah on July 15, 2010, 09:47:17 AM
This right here is a fine, fine thread. Carry on.  :D
Title: Re: Belt and shirt question
Post by: Sarah on July 15, 2010, 09:55:02 AM
My lady friend loves guys in shorts, a thing I didn't know a lot of girls like so much.

My mother liked Tom Selleck for his legs (they reminded her of my tennis-playing father's).  I, on the other hand, used to embarrass a fellow of mine by complimenting him on his dainty ankles whenever he wore shorts. 

Title: Re: Belt and shirt question
Post by: Christina on July 15, 2010, 09:56:06 AM
Selleck is just a big, strapping dude all around, ain't he?
Title: Re: Belt and shirt question
Post by: Sarah on July 15, 2010, 10:05:00 AM
Yeah, but it was his legs that made my mother swoon.  It was cute.
Title: Re: Belt and shirt question
Post by: Bryan on July 15, 2010, 10:10:37 AM
I appreciate the thoughts on summer attire. Thanks, everyone.

I've seen shirts in catalogs that are listed as "travel shirts (http://www.duluthtrading.com/store/departments/-specialty-shops/travel-clothes-and-luggage/63003.aspx?feature=product_12)," and they sound like what you're looking for, yesno.

I have also been confused by what left/right means in relation to belts. I consulted Amy Vanderbilt's book of etiquette this morning in the hope of some definitive ruling on the subject, but she does not mention it. She has lots to say about formal wear, though.
Title: Re: Belt and shirt question
Post by: Sarah on July 15, 2010, 10:13:30 AM
Then obviously you need to start wearing a tux to work.
Title: Re: Belt and shirt question
Post by: Wes on July 15, 2010, 10:21:50 AM
Sarah's earlier post seems to indicate that the belt buckle should start on the right hand side, and as this is the way that I go, it must be right.

The idea of wearing shorts to work is completely foreign to me. I don't even like thinking about it. I may petition to have this thread locked.
Title: Re: Belt and shirt question
Post by: Bryan on July 15, 2010, 10:28:35 AM
The idea of wearing shorts to work is completely foreign to me. I don't even like thinking about it. I may petition to have this thread locked.

I'm opposed to it on principle too, but the recent heatwave melted my principles.
Title: Re: Belt and shirt question
Post by: Sarah on July 15, 2010, 10:33:02 AM
Skirts are even cooler.  Even better would be a loose shift.  Be a trendsetter!
Title: Re: Belt and shirt question
Post by: Emily on July 15, 2010, 11:37:10 AM
you can always take a pic of your outfit & post it to http://www.fashism.com/

they'll tell you if it "works" or not
Title: Re: Belt and shirt question
Post by: Martin on July 15, 2010, 12:51:29 PM
Kilt!
Title: Re: Belt and shirt question
Post by: Bryan on July 15, 2010, 01:04:18 PM
Finally, doesn't Dickies make shirts as well?

This is a halfway solution to yesno's quandary, but I suspect he would be reluctant to wear an all-Dickies ensemble. What would Fashism say about that?
Title: Re: Belt and shirt question
Post by: Sarah on July 15, 2010, 01:06:41 PM
Kilt!

Too woolly.
Title: Re: Belt and shirt question
Post by: yesno on July 15, 2010, 01:07:40 PM
Well, most Dickies shirts I've seen look more like gas station/Verizon guy shirts.  But I shall delve into their catalog.  That said, those Duluth trading co. shirts seem just about perfect:  hyper-generic and indestructible.
Title: Re: Belt and shirt question
Post by: mahgeetah on July 15, 2010, 01:09:24 PM
you can always take a pic of your outfit & post it to http://www.fashism.com/

they'll tell you if it "works" or not

Wow, this is a funny site. I'm a little surprised by the lack of snotty, mean comments.
Title: Re: Belt and shirt question
Post by: Martin on July 15, 2010, 01:28:47 PM
Kilt!

Too woolly.

You obviously have never seen a Swedish kilt.

(There's no such thing.)
Title: Re: Belt and shirt question
Post by: Chris L on July 15, 2010, 02:13:46 PM
Somewhat surprised by the lack of whipping discussion thus far.
Title: Re: Belt and shirt question
Post by: Paul DePhiladelphia on July 15, 2010, 03:02:13 PM
First rule of belt whipping league: DO NOT TALK ABOUT BELT WHIPPING LEAGUE.
Title: Re: Belt and shirt question
Post by: Sarah on July 15, 2010, 03:54:24 PM
Kilt!

Too woolly.

You obviously have never seen a Swedish kilt.

(There's no such thing.)

Then that must be the coolest kilt of all.