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FOT Community => General Discussion => Topic started by: Eric on April 09, 2007, 07:34:19 PM
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Anyone watch it last night?
I'm still stuck about halfway through season 5. I just started watching it for the first time maybe 5-6 months ago and somehow didn't manage to catch up in time. I can't decide if I should finish season 5, and then just read the season 6 wikipedia recaps (since everyone says it's so terrible), allowing me to catch the second half of the final season "live". Or if I should just finish them both properly, and hold off to catch the final season on tape in June or July. Back then, some told me to not even bother with seasons 4 and 5, which I thought were pretty good, overall, although a step down from the first three.
Regardless, I hope it ends at least somewhat OK. Always sad to see a great show end sloppily. Don't worry about spoiling anything for me, just wondered what people's thoughts were.
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It was great.
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It was awesome, as was last season, I think.
For me, there's been no drop off in the writing and acting, and the rest of the production values continue to get better and better.
The lake scenes last night gave me chills they were so beautiful.
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I shit my pants when Carmella humped Bobby and Janice caught them and killed them both.
It was poignant when Tony and Janice started waltzing, but Junior flying in with the jet pack and shooting Tony (again!?!?!) was over the top.
(http://johndoherty.com/db5/00433/johndoherty.com/_uimages/unclejunior2.gif)
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I did the same catch-up thing before season 4.
If you skip a season I think you'll kick yourself when the well runs dry. Savour every moment.
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If you skip a season I think you'll kick yourself when the well runs dry. Savour every moment.
Agreed.
The Sopranos is the rarest of shows that truly rewards a completist approach. Skipping any episodes will, however slightly, detract from the overall experience. Why spend extra time catching up on plot points when there's so much more to enjoy?
To help fill your wait between watching the new episodes and the rest of Season 6.1, I recommend you and everyone else do the following:
Watch every single episode of The Wire before the last season begins in a few months.
Even more so than the Sopranos, The Wire requires a start-to-finish approach that pays off enormously for those that have paid attention.
Long-form, baby!
Damn. 2007 will be the year that HBO loses its two best shows since Larry Sanders and Kids in the Hall.
I'd cancel my subscription if not for my excitement about Flight of the Conchords.
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To help fill your wait between watching the new episodes and the rest of Season 6.1, I recommend you and everyone else do the following:
Watch every single episode of The Wire before the last season begins in a few months.
Even more so than the Sopranos, The Wire requires a start-to-finish approach that pays off enormously for those that have paid attention.
Long-form, baby!
Yes!
Damn. 2007 will be the year that HBO loses its two best shows since Larry Sanders and Kids in the Hall.
I'd cancel my subscription if not for my excitement about Flight of the Conchords.
I'm hoping the David Milch show -- JOHN FROM CINCINATTI -- is good. I don't have much hope for the new Alan Ball joint. It's some vampire thing.
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Oooohhh, the vampire thing might not suck. Har har, get it? Suck? As in suck your blood? I'm so witty.
Okay, so the odds are stacked against them. All things vampirey suck, except for seasons one through three Buffy and Done to Death (http://good-lucky.net/comics/index.html).
And isn't Milch's new show about a surfer or something? I wonder if my hairdresser's best friend is going to do the end credit music for that one too.
Oh dear lord, I just looked it up on IMDb. Luke Perry is in it. He was probably the second most annoying character on 90210 -- no, he was definitely the most annoying when he was wearing that stupid Baja shirt. Yeah. I'll stand by that statement.
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And isn't Milch's new show about a surfer or something? I wonder if my hairdresser's best friend is going to do the end credit music for that one too.
Surf noir (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_from_Cincinnati)!
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Ugh. Well, I guess we have HBO's adaptation of Preacher to look forward to, right?
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I've decided to look forward to John From Cincinnati, even more so when I read an article that alluded that the character John might not actually be from Cincinnati. Oooh, and Ellsworth and Charlie Utter are in it.
I think I read in that same article that Milch originally wanted to cast Ed O'Neil as Al Swerengen. No lie.
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Ugh. Well, I guess we have HBO's adaptation of Preacher to look forward to, right?
As much I hope this will be good let me point out its the guy who ruined Daredevil that is bringing it to HBO.
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Ugh. Well, I guess we have HBO's adaptation of Preacher to look forward to, right?
As much I hope this will be good let me point out its the guy who ruined Daredevil that is bringing it to HBO.
Oh dear. I suppose we have horrible casting choices to look forward to!
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Ugh. Well, I guess we have HBO's adaptation of Preacher to look forward to, right?
As much I hope this will be good let me point out its the guy who ruined Daredevil that is bringing it to HBO.
Oh dear. I suppose we have horrible casting choices to look forward to!
Is this actually going to happen? Preacher is/was one of my favorite comic book series.
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Ugh. Well, I guess we have HBO's adaptation of Preacher to look forward to, right?
As much I hope this will be good let me point out its the guy who ruined Daredevil that is bringing it to HBO.
Oh dear. I suppose we have horrible casting choices to look forward to!
Is this actually going to happen? Preacher is/was one of my favorite comic book series.
I read the Preacher in trades, and I was really into it up to a point. They lost me with the retardo love triangle. But the ending was pretty damn good, and I cried. I'll admit it.
It's "in development," according to IMBb (http://imdb.com/title/tt0910753/). Any of youse guys have IMDb pro and let us plebes know what's going on?
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It was awesome, as was last season, I think.
For me, there's been no drop off in the writing and acting, and the rest of the production values continue to get better and better.
The lake scenes last night gave me chills they were so beautiful.
word on the street is, those lake scenes were filmed in my county near where i live.
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word on the street is, those lake scenes were filmed in my county near where i live.
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"I don't want you going in that lake without me knowing about it!" Janice Soprano
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Hey, Dorvid, which S&W bit does your signature quote come from?
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Hey, Dorvid, which S&W bit does your signature quote come from?
Tom gets screwed by Perry Farrell. Top 5 "Tom gets pissed" moments for sure.
July 31, 2001 - gets awesome around the 2:42:45 mark. (http://www.wfmu.org/playlists/BS)
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If you skip a season I think you'll kick yourself when the well runs dry. Savour every moment.
The Sopranos is the rarest of shows that truly rewards a completist approach. Skipping any episodes will, however slightly, detract from the overall experience. Why spend extra time catching up on plot points when there's so much more to enjoy?
THIS is why I come here for advice before my parents. I was treating it like some chore when it's really something I enjoy and should continue to, with it ending soon. Good points.
Watch every single episode of The Wire before the last season begins in a few months.
Even more so than the Sopranos, The Wire requires a start-to-finish approach that pays off enormously for those that have paid attention.
Long-form, baby!
I got season 1 for Christmas. I think I'm 7 or so episodes in...the end came up fast. I thought I had more time. I had been ignoring it because of my commitment to "The Sopranos". Gee, this is a sad sad glance into my life...
Damn. 2007 will be the year that HBO loses its two best shows since Larry Sanders and Kids in the Hall.
I'd cancel my subscription if not for my excitement about Flight of the Conchords.
Isn't "Curb your Enthusiasm" ending too? This could be the golden age of HBO we're witnessing....we'll be telling our grandchildren about it.
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Isn't "Curb your Enthusiasm" ending too? This could be the golden age of HBO we're witnessing....we'll be telling our grandchildren about it.
Larry David is pretty tight-lipped, but Jeff Garlin swears it's the final season, so yes, it looks like it (he also said it'll start airing in September).
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I was really glad to see Domenic Chianese, Jr. finally get some face time on the show (he made the "he must be fu**ing some sheep" comment).
FINALE PREDICTION: AJ will kill his own dad after Tony bangs Blancha. It'll be a whole Oedipal passing the torch type deal.
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Woah, so I finally scored a w over my cable trouble and caught the first 2 episodes of "season 6B" and I'm back on board the Sopranos love train. I thought last year started out great - count me in the extreme minority that liked the "Kevin Finnerty" dream stuff - but devolved into the same old repetitive, filler storylines. The "gay Vito" stuff could've been interesting but felt botched to me; they catch him in a leather bar? Bullshit. Really liked this week's ep though and the weird song over the credits.
Oh, and "Who knows where ideas come from? Isaac Newton invented gravity after some asshole hit him on the head with an apple."
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Isn't "Curb your Enthusiasm" ending too?
That show is still on???
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Damn. 2007 will be the year that HBO loses its two best shows since Larry Sanders and Kids in the Hall.
God, I'm living in the Larry Sanders show. We just elected a governor here in Mass who, when defensive (a lot of the time lately -- he's new), sounds just like Gary Shandling, who did a lot of similar flustered/annoyed work as Larry Sanders.
Not the best example, but put it on and listen without watching:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71O4PePxVf8&mode=related&search=
The TV commercials made me do double-takes more than once.
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Wouldn't it be great if every past Fred Willard role could be retroactively re-cast and given to Ray Abruzzo? (Carmine Lupertazzi Jr.)
That'd be my 50th use of a time machine.
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Because I'm a compulsive lunatic, I just looked up "Lincoln Logs" online, having made a note to myself to do so after watching the latest episode. And I think it's pretty funny (though I derived some odd comfort from the proof that I am not alone in my nuttiness) that the first several hits all related to posts on various Sopranos message boards, where mystification about these peculiar sandwiches abounds. Many people were very disturbed at the idea of Carmela assembling such a nasty little sandwich. And not a one observed that she was specifically preparing something to appeal to her poor little son, and so it was reasonable that she chose some yucky childhood comfort food that would appeal to his depressed tastebuds.
And speaking of AJ, anyone else out there disappointed that he failed? I actually cheered when I saw what he was doing. Should've known he screw it up.
This is what I'd like to wee in the final episode: All the characters gather together at a restaurant for some massive celebration. At the height of the festivities, someone fire-bombs the joint. In the last shot, we'll see them all writhing in agony, their worthless bodies engulfed in flames, their mouths contorted as they scream various labored malapropisms at each other.
P.S. Why can't I use the spoilers feature, Jason?
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AJ is so pathetic now he's not even worth hating. I'm enjoying that whole storyline as dark comedy.
In the last shot, we'll see them all writhing in agony, their worthless bodies engulfed in flames, their mouths contorted as they scream various labored malapropisms at each other.
Perhaps a malapropism-laden version of The Second Coming, in honor of this week's episode ("What kind of poem is that to teach college students?")?
Turning and turning in the widening gyro
The Falklands cannot hear the Falklander
Well, it's a start anyway...
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WTF, I say. I guess David Chase didn't know how to end it, so he went with that.
WOW! Meadow's really bad at parallel parking. I'm bitin' my nails here!
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I liked it and I say he knew exactly how to end it.
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I liked it and I say he knew exactly how to end it.
Me, too. Meadow's parking job was symbolic as all hell, even if I'm wrong about what it symbolizes.
There was certainly nothing capricious about it; that final sequence was amazing.
Thumbs way up.
(http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n129/DorvidBarnas/CATS01000703.png)
Cats > People
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My beef is, he could've easily done that 3 or 4 years ago and saved us A LOT of filler.
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I'll admit, I really liked the cat. I especially loved that Paulie Walnuts was so scared of him, staring at Chrissy's picture. Awww.
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My beef is, he could've easily done that 3 or 4 years ago and saved us A LOT of filler.
This iwhy I stoppd watching all those years ago and just stuck with The Wire. At least that show never dissapoints
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I thought it was great. It was certainly polarizing - many people seem to have taken it as David Chase's "f you" to the audience. I disagree - the viewer was given a lens into the life of this very interesting family, and the lens went away when the series ended. That doesn't mean their lives don't go on as before, albeit with the constant threat caused by the protagonist's job.
And Phil got what was coming to him.
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You don't suppose the shifty-eyed fellow who went into the mens' room came out with a big gun AFTER the lens pulled away, do you?
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That episode was worth my hour for these reasons:
-Phil's death
-Paulie & the cat
-the script that Daniel Baldwin gave to Tony to read.
the ending? I'll admit, I laughed out loud when the screen went black. As a joke, it was pretty good. I'm not gonna look further into it.
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I haven't watched the show in years but is it just me or did the guy that shot Phil look a lot like Falco?
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I haven't watched the show in years but is it just me or did the guy that shot Phil look a lot like Falco?
As in Edie Falco?
Or this guy?
(http://www.80smusiclyrics.com/images/falco.jpg)
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I haven't watched the show in years but is it just me or did the guy that shot Phil look a lot like Falco?
As in Edie Falco?
Or this guy?
(http://www.80smusiclyrics.com/images/falco.jpg)
Would you all hate me and possibly consider banning me if I made this joke:
"The episode's alternate title was 'Whack Me Amadeus.'"
You would? K, just checking.
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"Made in Salzburg"
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One thing I'm kind of perplexed by is Agent Harris' enthusiasm for helping Tony. What was that "We might win this thing!" outburst about? Was he talking about the power vacuum left by Phil's death? He's not assigned to mob cases anymore though. Did he have a grudge against Phil for ordering the rape of that FBI agent he mentioned a few episodes ago? Wouldn't the murder of Adrianna kind of balance that out?
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You know how sociopaths are supposed to be charming and draw you in? I think they were playing on that dynamic with Agent Harris.
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I think it meant that Agent Harris allowed Tony to incriminate himself in a major way and that the "good guys" might just win.
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Again though, he's assigned to terrorism now. And really, he was rather stupidly compromising himself by offering that info about Phil. They seemed to me to be lumping him in with the bored rubberneckers and voyeurs like Melphi's shrink who get a charge out of their tenuous association with gangsters. You'd think an FBI agent, even a corrupt one, would be inured to that kind of thing after seeing firsthand the fallout and consequences of that lifestyle.
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Again though, he's assigned to terrorism now.
Maybe he isn't? The only time we saw Harris talk about terrorism was with Tony, and they both had plenty to gain from lying to each other.
That could be a stretch, but either way I think Harris risked compromising himself for the good of the bureau, or to overcome his own feelings of impotence from his fruitless Mob-chasing days. Or a mix of both. But he still considers himself on the side of good, and that the end justifies the means. (Tony now trusts Agt. Harris and is on tape talking to NY)
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Wasn't there seperate and competing investigations into the NY and NJ families. Maybe Harris was keeping Tony alive so that his past work would not have been in vain and his old team would be able to prosecute Tony.
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damn you, david chase for not resolving any of this!
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Someone give Tony Sirico a sitcom fast. Paulie is pretty much the only character I'm going to miss.
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Best use of Journey since Caddyshack.
"So? So let's dance!"
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One thing I'm kind of perplexed by is Agent Harris' enthusiasm for helping Tony. What was that "We might win this thing!" outburst about?
I thought it was sarcasm. Agent Harris's attitude was different in this episode. Less gung ho and more I don't give a.... Maybe as a result of the shift from the mob to terrorism, he became depressed and just didn't care anymore.
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I think I liked it, too. I had a Sopranos party for some friends--they seemed to like my lasagna better than the finale:
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So much of the show over the past few seasons had been concerned with the banality of everyday life in comparison to the fabled gravity of Mafia life, so I think the ending fit in with that theme.
Did anyone watch "John from Cincinnatti?" All I saw was a very wrinkled Luke Perry.
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Did anyone watch "John from Cincinnatti?" All I saw was a very wrinkled Luke Perry.
It's too early to tell what that show's deal is. I was too busy absorbing the Sopranos to pay attention at first but I caught the west coast feed later that night. There were some seriously dicey aspects, but also enough flashes of great Milchian dialogue ("I don't know whether I'm on foot or horseback") that I'll stick it out. Looks like Ed O'Neill will be great, at least.
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Interview w/ David Chase is up now on nj.com (http://blog.nj.com/alltv/2007/06/david_chase_speaks.html):
-After all the speculation that Agent Harris might turn Tony, instead we saw that Harris had turned, passing along info on Phil's whereabouts and cheering, "We're going to win this thing!" when learning of Phil's demise.
"This is based on an actual case of an FBI agent who got a little bit too partisan and excited during the Colombo wars of the '70s," says Chase of the story of Lindley DeVecchio, who supplied Harris' line.
-Speaking of Harris, Chase had no problem with never revealing what -- if anything -- terror suspects Muhammed and Ahmed were up to.
"This, to me, feels very real," he says. "The majority of these suspects, it's very hard for anybody to know what these people are doing. I don't even think Harris might know where they are. That was sort of the point of it: who knows if they are terrorists or if they're innocent pistachio salesmen? That's the fear that we are living with now."
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I think I liked it, too. I had a Sopranos party for some friends--they seemed to like my lasagna better than the finale:
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb127/susannahlaura/IMG_0148.jpg)
Aw I made lasagna for the finale too! (I didn't use the fresh mozzarella like you did, though. yours looks good!)
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I made a nice mannicot'. I made so much mannicot'.
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You've all neglected to comment on the most important part of the episode: Tony humming the opening bars of the Rocky theme when he happens upon A.J. jogging. I could hear Philly Boy Roy cheering (I'm guessing the door to the store through the window of which he was viewing was open to let in a breeze so the sound reached him).
I didn't mind the ending. Anything specific would have been a letdown; this was a bit of a letdown, too, but at least it didn't spell things out. Certainly, I expected either that guy to come out of the bathroom with gun a-blazing or for the restaurant to blow up just as Meadow opened the door to enter, so the black screen at least had the virtue of being a surprise. Plus the absence of music during the closing credits.
Great cat, too!
I think I may actually watch it again.
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The episode was so good. I can't see it ending any other way than it did.
If you rewatch look out for the kid with the afro when Phil gets run over. My friend was in the Sopranos!
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Interview w/ David Chase is up now on nj.com (http://blog.nj.com/alltv/2007/06/david_chase_speaks.html):
-After all the speculation that Agent Harris might turn Tony, instead we saw that Harris had turned, passing along info on Phil's whereabouts and cheering, "We're going to win this thing!" when learning of Phil's demise.
"This is based on an actual case of an FBI agent who got a little bit too partisan and excited during the Colombo wars of the '70s," says Chase of the story of Lindley DeVecchio, who supplied Harris' line.
-Speaking of Harris, Chase had no problem with never revealing what -- if anything -- terror suspects Muhammed and Ahmed were up to.
"This, to me, feels very real," he says. "The majority of these suspects, it's very hard for anybody to know what these people are doing. I don't even think Harris might know where they are. That was sort of the point of it: who knows if they are terrorists or if they're innocent pistachio salesmen? That's the fear that we are living with now."
In other words, pretty much exactly what Tom was saying here: "it’s NJ versus NYC, straight up" http://www.scharplingandwurster.com/?p=36 (http://www.scharplingandwurster.com/?p=36)
Agent Harris was a Jersey guy, rooting for the home team.
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One of my friends made this assumption:
Early in the season Bobby said to Tony: "You probably don't even hear it when it happens" and the sudden end relates to the abrupt end of Tony's consciousness.
That satisfies me even though it is probably a pretty general assumption.
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One of my friends made this assumption:
Early in the season Bobby said to Tony: "You probably don't even hear it when it happens" and the sudden end relates to the abrupt end of Tony's consciousness.
That satisfies me even though it is probably a pretty general assumption.
There is a website devoted to this theory, but I can't find it now. Boo.
Edit: Here it is. (http://tonyisdead.com/) My brother believes this shit. I'm not so sure.
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I find I have no need to speculate. Maybe he died, maybe he didn't. Either works.
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I mulled it over, and I think the last thing Tony sees when he looks up is Uncle Junior trying one last time to finish the job, staging a kamikaze wheelchair attack like at the end of that one episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm. Remember that episode where Uncle Junior saw Larry David on tv and thought it was him? It all ties together in a neat little bow.
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From People magazine, an interview with Steve Perry.
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20042311,00.html
Journey's Steve Perry Thinks Sopranos Finale Hit Right Note
What was it like from your couch?
I loved when Tony is going through the little jukebox at the table. They stayed really tight on Tony Bennett, and I thought, "Well, there it is, Tony would play Tony Bennett." He presses the buttons and the next thing you know a Journey song starts. But the tension was insane. I'm getting worried that he's being whacked. And then they cut back, and Tony looks up and it goes black. In my opinion, he sees his daughter, but I guess we'll never know the ending. But the point of the song playing is that you just don't give up, life goes on even if you're the Sopranos. It doesn't matter what you do for a living. In the midst of his turbulent life and everything, there's always this sense of family and this sense of dreams and hopes for some kind of normalcy – some kind of don't-give-up, don't-stop-believing feeling. I actually shouted "All right!" at the end.
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I just went to the comics journal website to read Tony Millionaire's sacreligious comment about Tom and then got caught up reading more of their Sopranos thread then I wanted to. I'm not the biggest watcher of that show, but COOP totally spoiled like 3 plot lines for me in one post! Yeesh. Fuckin' comic book artists. Have some class. Put down that blue pencil and take a walk around the block. Stretch your legs out.
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From People magazine, an interview with Steve Perry.
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20042311,00.html
Journey's Steve Perry Thinks Sopranos Finale Hit Right Note
What was it like from your couch?
I loved when Tony is going through the little jukebox at the table. They stayed really tight on Tony Bennett, and I thought, "Well, there it is, Tony would play Tony Bennett." He presses the buttons and the next thing you know a Journey song starts. But the tension was insane. I'm getting worried that he's being whacked. And then they cut back, and Tony looks up and it goes black. In my opinion, he sees his daughter, but I guess we'll never know the ending. But the point of the song playing is that you just don't give up, life goes on even if you're the Sopranos. It doesn't matter what you do for a living. In the midst of his turbulent life and everything, there's always this sense of family and this sense of dreams and hopes for some kind of normalcy – some kind of don't-give-up, don't-stop-believing feeling. I actually shouted "All right!" at the end.
Watching tv on Steve Perry's couch must be unspeakably awesome.
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Watching tv on Steve Perry's couch must be unspeakably awesome.
I wonder if he was still sportin male cameltoe as in the video Omar posted in his recap.
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The New York Post explains the Mid-East Crisis :o
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Wait... which guy in a members only jacket?
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http://www.hillaryclinton.com/?splash=1
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Hillary just earned my vote with her total immersion in that role.
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Her campaign song is by Celine Dion. Hillary is an L for '08.
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I finally finished it yesterday and can finally come out of the basement.
I thought it was good, despite 90% of the symbolism of the last scene going over my head. Just purely on a surface level, it's one of the most tense scenes I've ever sat through. I could see people wanting more closure but I agree with Sarah, everyone probably would've been more disappointed by a more straightforward ending. Paulie with the cat and A.J. giving up all of his new beliefs for a BMW was cool to see, among all the horrible bleakness. I was hoping they'd send it off with some humor.
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"Sopranos" creator signs deal for first film (http://www.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idUSN0841895920080508)
I, for one, eagerly await.
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reading dead threads is like smoking weed from a severed head.
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reading dead threads is like smoking weed from a severed head.
Looking at my old posts is like stumbling across an embarassment of riches embarassments ("Getting pretty fond of that strikethrough tool, aren't you?" "Don't you ever let up, parenthesis?").
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reading dead threads is like smoking weed from a severed head.
Necessity is the mother of invention. Pesius Flaccus
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