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The Best Show on WFMU => Show Discussion => Topic started by: hardweek on March 16, 2011, 10:46:32 AM
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Couldn't listen to last night's show, so forgive me if this has already been addressed, but could I nominate Gilbert Godfried for a lifetime in the hatepit without parole?
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How long are the rest in the Hate Pit serving for?
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They are detained at Tom's pleasure.
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In keeping with Tom's cruise story last night, I think Tucker Max would make an excellent Hate Pit inductee. I Heard They Serve Beer in Pails or whatever, BOO and HISS.
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At Tom's pleasure, I would love to see him detained for a very long time.
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Now I've got Gottfried chanting "McDonalds if we're good, Arby's if we're bad" stuck in my head.
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I still think Roger Moore should not have been set free.
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In keeping with Tom's cruise story last night, I think Tucker Max would make an excellent Hate Pit inductee. I Heard They Serve Beer in Pails or whatever, BOO and HISS.
Not a very nice fellow, nor much of a contributor to the re-rising of Western Civilization.
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Slide over gentlemen, and make room for Ben Weasel.
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I didn't know who Ben Weasel was, so I googled the name. The Wikipedia blurb that came up said:
Ben Weasel (born Benjamin Foster) is a punk rock musician, best known as the lead singer and guitarist of bands Screeching Weasel and The Riverdales, and hitting women.
...though that's not how the actual Wikipedia entry read. I don't know how that stuff works.
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I was at the Screeching Weasel show last night, and I spoke to him at the airport today for a bit.
He overreacted but it wasn't just from heckling or something. He flipped out after the girl spat her drink in his face (after she had already thrown beer--a lot of it--and icecubes at him). He's losing money because of the cancelled dates but is making it up to the other bands, crew, etc, out of pocket.
I wouldn't trust anything coming from the management of the place, as they wanted him off stage long before any shit went down (since he kept talking about how dirty the green room was, how they were ripping off the bands and the audience, etc). The girl left the show but the management called the cops.
Jim DeRogtis's take on what happened is pretty good.
Screeching Weasel was my favorite band when I was 14 and I still think they're good. I missed the WFMU showcase AND the Goner party because I went there, and I didn't like the opening acts.
It is odd, the different attitude different bands have towards beer-throwing. I saw a Personal & the Pizzas show where their shit shorted out from all the beer, so they just stopped playing. I also think they were too drunk to continue. Also I've seen plenty of obnoxious Gallagher-style bands that made me almost throw up from all the disgusting shit they spat at the crowd.
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The same Jim Dergoatis who did the totally unfair, unreasonable hatchet job on poor Ryan Adams?
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I was at the Screeching Weasel show last night, and I spoke to him at the airport today for a bit.
He overreacted but it wasn't just from heckling or something. He flipped out after the girl spat her drink in his face (after she had already thrown beer--a lot of it--and icecubes at him). He's losing money because of the cancelled dates but is making it up to the other bands, crew, etc, out of pocket.
I wouldn't trust anything coming from the management of the place, as they wanted him off stage long before any shit went down (since he kept talking about how dirty the green room was, how they were ripping off the bands and the audience, etc). The girl left the show but the management called the cops.
Jim DeRogtis's take on what happened is pretty good.
Screeching Weasel was my favorite band when I was 14 and I still think they're good. I missed the WFMU showcase AND the Goner party because I went there, and I didn't like the opening acts.
It is odd, the different attitude different bands have towards beer-throwing. I saw a Personal & the Pizzas show where their shit shorted out from all the beer, so they just stopped playing. I also think they were too drunk to continue. Also I've seen plenty of obnoxious Gallagher-style bands that made me almost throw up from all the disgusting shit they spat at the crowd.
To be fair, Ben Weasel has displayed dickish behavior in the past (reforming the band without John Jughead).
Also, I heard reports that he was saying misogynistic stuff to the lady before she started acting a fool. True or false?
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He certainly did say misogynistic things. He had promised to give $20 to whoever pointed out who had thrown beer in his face, so that he could beat up said individual, or get beat up trying. When it turned out to be a girl, he first promised to give the $20 to whichever girl beat up that girl, but then veered into more rude territory involving taking his dick out on stage for the first time in 20 years. (I have a hard time believing the last time he did that was 1991.)
He had the $20 because someone threw it on stage after he bitched about not getting paid much for the show. (The nighttime sxsw showcases, which have biggish headlining bands, charge non-badgeholders $20 to get in, but only give the acts a token amount. I suppose they would point to the free daytime shows in defense.)
The Jughead-less band is sort of lame--everyone prefers "classic lineups"--but they were really good. I understand they got into some sort of legal fight.
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I dunno, I just think that someone like Ben Weasel, who has spent a lifetime in punk rock and written and played volumes on the subject, should:
A) be at a place in his life where if there's things he doesn't want to do (ie play SXSW), don't do them.
B) have somewhere along the way developed strategies on how to deal with belligerent audiences.
Can't have it both ways. Can't complain about playing it then play it, can't goad people then complain about the response.
More than anything, I'm just getting sick of 50ish white dudes whose stars are fading acting like menchildren, calculated or not. It's the same thing, over and over, and it makes me spend alot less time in the world of pop culture.
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That's specifically a "white" thing?
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Charlie Sheen, Gilbert Godfried, Bret Michaels, Gary Busey, Nick Nolte, Randy Quaid, Michael Richards, Ben Weasel.....
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Charlie Sheen is Hispanic.
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He sure shouldn't have played a show he didnt feel was worth his time, but apparently when he agreed to do it he thought it was free for the fans.
I don't think it's a good thing he did, just wanted to point out the clip that's circulating doesn't have all the context.
Since record sales collapsed, guys like him who hate touring have no choice. It makes for some anger I guess.
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Charlie Sheen is Hispanic.
His paternal grandfather was born in Spain, his paternal grandmother was born in Ireland, and his mother's maiden name is Templeton, so . . .
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So yeah, I guess not.
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When Tom moves to Minnesota, drains Lake Wobegon and converts it into a vast Hate Pit, the inaugural inhabitant should be Victoria Jackson.
http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b231997_former_snl_player_disses_glee_in.html (http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b231997_former_snl_player_disses_glee_in.html)
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When Tom moves to Minnesota, drains Lake Wobegon and converts it into a vast Hate Pit, the inaugural inhabitant should be Victoria Jackson.
http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b231997_former_snl_player_disses_glee_in.html (http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b231997_former_snl_player_disses_glee_in.html)
Putting a gay kiss scene in a show that you have the option not to watch is "shoving the gay thing down our throats."
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When Tom moves to Minnesota, drains Lake Wobegon and converts it into a vast Hate Pit, the inaugural inhabitant should be Victoria Jackson.
http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b231997_former_snl_player_disses_glee_in.html (http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b231997_former_snl_player_disses_glee_in.html)
Putting a gay kiss scene in a show that you have the option not to watch is "shoving the gay thing down our throats."
How bitter VJ must be to have a moniker like "former SNL player"! Also no foresight whatsoever - if she had approached and embraced The Gays, her dingy broad persona should've made her a favorite.
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Ugh... I stopped reading at "Gleek" - which was maybe the fifth word.
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Putting a gay kiss scene in a show that you have the option not to watch is "shoving the gay thing down our throats."
This metaphor is much funnier when male homophobes use it, but still.
if she had approached and embraced The Gays, her dingy broad persona should've made her a favorite.
That's a persona?
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"The Gays" sounds like a band that Phil Spector would have produced for.
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I also did not hear the show, but would like to bring to the floor the suggestion made during the marathon that Tosh.O be added to the hate pit.
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I vote Dave Grohl for hatepit abodee. Saw Lemmy last night, and of all the dumb rockers in that movie, Grohl was by far the dorkiest.
Even at 63, in his tight pants and high heels, Lemmy is, and will always be a god. Let's put this dude on the love hill.
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I vote Dave Grohl for hatepit abodee. Saw Lemmy last night, and of all the dumb rockers in that movie, Grohl was by far the dorkiest.
Even at 63, in his tight pants and high heels, Lemmy is, and will always be a god. Let's put this dude on the love hill.
Synchronicity again. I watched this last night as well, Fletch. On VHS!
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I need to see that Lemmy doc. I'm glad it's not in smell-o-vision though ... what with all the vices that guy indulges in, you just know he smells like the carpet at some hippie group house.
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double synchronicity, after the movie, I said, I bet Lemmy's apartment smells like shit, and my friend said, worse, I bet it smells like World War 2. hahah
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double synchronicity
That's what happens when you're living right.
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Even Guitar Hero is putting away its leather pants - they can't sell any new consoles, hahah.
One thing I think the film exposes is Lemmy's shy personality, which has a tendency to translate to "cool" in the rock world. He probably wouldn't function that well in any other environment other than this niche world he finds himself in.
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double synchronicity, after the movie, I said, I bet Lemmy's apartment smells like shit, and my friend said, worse, I bet it smells like World War 2. hahah
Speaking of WWII, does the doc cover Lemmy's predilection for ... shall we just call it "memorabilia" and leave it right there?
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Is it true that all the Victoria Jackson segments have been edited out of all the old SNL episodes? Not because of her political orientation, but because of them not being at all entertaining?
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double synchronicity, after the movie, I said, I bet Lemmy's apartment smells like shit, and my friend said, worse, I bet it smells like World War 2. hahah
Speaking of WWII, does the doc cover Lemmy's predilection for ... shall we just call it "memorabilia" and leave it right there?
not really
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I have a personal Hate Pit nominee, but I truly doubt that Tom or most people reading this care enough about the issue. Maybe, though: Tom and a lot of people reading this care about comics, and this guy craps all over them as well as over his chosen field of painting.
Roy Lichtenstein. Can't stand him. There are a lot of artists whose work I dislike, but only two or three that make me mad just to think about. I couldn't possibly explain why better than this article, which just about made me weep with gratitude that someone finally said it: http://www.villagevoice.com/2011-04-06/art/the-misbegotten-career-of-roy-lichtenstein/ (http://www.villagevoice.com/2011-04-06/art/the-misbegotten-career-of-roy-lichtenstein/)
I know he won't really end up in the Best Show hate pit, because it's not really the kind of thing that's in Tom's frame of reference, but I love imagining Lichtenstein having to listen to the "Family Guy" theme 24/7. That's how your art feels to me, Pal!
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Dov Charney. PLease.
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I need to see that Lemmy doc. I'm glad it's not in smell-o-vision though ... what with all the vices that guy indulges in, you just know he smells like the carpet at some hippie group house.
Are you talking about Georgio?
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Dennis Miller. Smug, maybe erudite, but NOT FUNNY in the least.
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Dennis Miller. Smug, maybe erudite, but NOT FUNNY in the least.
I hate that guy. The worst thing about his "erudition" is that he uses it to do things like shoehorn Norman Mailer references into his praise of Sarah Palin (see 2:00 of video below).
Dennis Miller on Palin, Obama and Barney Frank (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2zekR66_OY#ws)
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(see 2:00 of video below).
Or not.
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It's the No-Spin Zone. It's not for everyone.
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the correct answer is Tucker Max. I have to be restrained to throw those who defend him in the hate pit.
in fact, every time i see a woman read his book in public, a piece inside of me dies.
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I remember Dennis Miller at the start of his slide toward loathsome spokesworm for the people that suck all the good out of life doing some bit about he worked with M&Ms because it meant money for him and for his family, so it was OK to sell out. His argument made sense, and I don't think anyone would begrudge a guy working with anthropomorphized candy for a payday. I'm not aware of M&Ms collaborating with the Nazis like IBM did, anyway.
Unfortunately he somehow decided working with the likes of Karl Rove was equivalent to working with M&Ms, which is a big insult to M&Ms. Yes, the pretzel M&Ms were a big mistake, and the commercials were juvenile and puerile, but overall M&Ms are an OK product that you can choose not to eat if you don't want to eat them.
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the correct answer is Tucker Max. I have to be restrained to throw those who defend him in the hate pit.
in fact, every time i see a woman read his book in public, a piece inside of me dies.
I literally can't even imagine seeing a woman read one of his books. At least his movie tanked.
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Timothy Hutton for that hateful Super Bowl ad mocking Tibeatans. How about the whole TNT creepy sexist dude roster? (Scott Bakula, Jason Lee, dude that looks kinda like David Arquette)
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I'd like to nominate David Sedaris (http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/01/26/25-david-sedaris/) for his recent speaking tour, on which he chose to repeat dumb, racist jokes told to him during book signings to his overwhelmingly white audience. Profiles in courage!
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I don't know if Gary Busey should be in the discussion for the Hate Pit, since its very possible that a lot of his behaviour can be explained by a mental illness, but he did a movie that is VERY Hate Pit worthy and I can't believe that more people don't know about it. Its a Turkish movie called Kurtlar Vidisi: Irak (Valley of the Wolves: Iraq), in which Busey has a small role as a Jewish surgeon that harvests the organs of prisoners in Abu Ghraib. Here's a youtube link to the whole movie (it is pretty graphic):
Kurtlar Vadisi: Irak (2007, En Subs) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpFwDhuyAwo&feature=related#ws)
Busey makes his entrance at 27:30 and that scene is over at about 30:50.
At 1:03:13 Busey and Billy Zane (the lead villain, duh) have a stupid scene together where they talk about Christianity and Judaism that lasts a little over a minute.
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I kind of liked Pretzel M&Ms.
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Alright, this is kind of harsh but I hate Moby after seeing his 'Hollywood Castle' spread in the NY Times.
I want a castle.
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Even at 63, in his tight pants and high heels, Lemmy is, and will always be a god. Let's put this dude on the love hill.
Oh, no shit, man... "Overkill" is such a great fuckin' album... I even recall liking the early Hawkwind stuff I've heard... There's more coolness and awesomeness in one of Lemmy's loogies than there is in the totality of everything Bono has ever done...
So how is the documentary "Lemmy: 49% Motherfucker, 51% Son Of A Bitch"?
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What did Scott Bakula do that was sexist?
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What did Scott Bakula do that was sexist?
During the Evil Leaper arc in Quantum Leap's later, lesser seasons, Bakula personally made them write a climactic scene where he says "Maybe you should have stayed in the kitchen where you belong!" before executing a No-Shadow Kick on the Evil Leaper and knocking her into the time stream, where she was trapped forever.
At the time, fans were bugged about Dr. Sam Beckett yelling something so strangely out-of-character and sexist, but they were also really happy that the old plot thread about Sam being an expert in several styles of martial arts was brought back, so it didn't explode into the kind of controversy it probably could have. It was a pretty sweet No-Shadow Kick.
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What did Scott Bakula do that was sexist?
During the Evil Leaper arc in Quantum Leap's later, lesser seasons, Bakula personally made them write a climactic scene where he says "Maybe you should have stayed in the kitchen where you belong!" before executing a No-Shadow Kick on the Evil Leaper and knocking her into the time stream, where she was trapped forever.
At the time, fans were bugged about Dr. Sam Beckett yelling something so strangely out-of-character and sexist, but they were also really happy that the old plot thread about Sam being an expert in several styles of martial arts was brought back, so it didn't explode into the kind of controversy it probably could have. It was a pretty sweet No-Shadow Kick.
Big fan of the Wes oeuvre, but I can't read this. My summary would be, "nerd nerd nerd nerd Dean Stockwell 'the candy-coated clown they call the Sandman' nerd nerd what was that thing called, 'Ziggy'? nerd." Is that close enough?
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What did Scott Bakula do that was sexist?
During the Evil Leaper arc in Quantum Leap's later, lesser seasons, Bakula personally made them write a climactic scene where he says "Maybe you should have stayed in the kitchen where you belong!" before executing a No-Shadow Kick on the Evil Leaper and knocking her into the time stream, where she was trapped forever.
At the time, fans were bugged about Dr. Sam Beckett yelling something so strangely out-of-character and sexist, but they were also really happy that the old plot thread about Sam being an expert in several styles of martial arts was brought back, so it didn't explode into the kind of controversy it probably could have. It was a pretty sweet No-Shadow Kick.
Big fan of the Wes oeuvre, but I can't read this. My summary would be, "nerd nerd nerd nerd Dean Stockwell 'the candy-coated clown they call the Sandman' nerd nerd what was that thing called, 'Ziggy'? nerd." Is that close enough?
Ugh, there was no Stockwell. You're the worst person ever.
Otherwise, though, pretty spot on.
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What did Scott Bakula do that was sexist?
During the Evil Leaper arc in Quantum Leap's later, lesser seasons, Bakula personally made them write a climactic scene where he says "Maybe you should have stayed in the kitchen where you belong!" before executing a No-Shadow Kick on the Evil Leaper and knocking her into the time stream, where she was trapped forever.
At the time, fans were bugged about Dr. Sam Beckett yelling something so strangely out-of-character and sexist, but they were also really happy that the old plot thread about Sam being an expert in several styles of martial arts was brought back, so it didn't explode into the kind of controversy it probably could have. It was a pretty sweet No-Shadow Kick.
Big fan of the Wes oeuvre, but I can't read this. My summary would be, "nerd nerd nerd nerd Dean Stockwell 'the candy-coated clown they call the Sandman' nerd nerd what was that thing called, 'Ziggy'? nerd." Is that close enough?
Ugh, there was no Stockwell. You're the worst person ever.
Otherwise, though, pretty spot on.
Yueh, Yueh, a thousand deaths are not enough for Yueh!
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Has Tom ever expressed an opinion about Woody Allen? Man, I would consign that guy to my personal Hate Pit without blinking.
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Has Tom ever expressed an opinion about Woody Allen? Man, I would consign that guy to my personal Hate Pit without blinking.
Do you hate all the movies? I'll admit he's made a lot of crap but I'd say I love Husbands and Wives, Crimes and Misdemeanors, Hannah and Her Sisters and maybe Interiors.
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Aaaagggh, I'm not sure we can discuss this productively. I consider Crimes and Misdemeanors possibly the most Hate Pit-worthy movie I've ever seen. I'm sure he's made worse--that was the last one I saw actually.
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http://splitsider.com/2011/07/artie-lang-is-planning-a-big-comeback-to-radio-with-nick-dipaolo (http://splitsider.com/2011/07/artie-lang-is-planning-a-big-comeback-to-radio-with-nick-dipaolo)
I'm surprised they're able to broadcast live from the hate pit.
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Can people be thrown into the hate pit posthumously, or is that just beside the point?
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Can people be thrown into the hate pit posthumously, or is that just beside the point?
Speaking for myself, I think this should be allowed. They can be added to the torments of the live people down there.
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I would put Woody Allen's best 10 films up against anyone's ever. I include in that collection
Annie Hall
Crimes and Misdemeanors
Deconstructing Harry
Hannah and Her Sisters
Husbands and Wives
Love and Death
Manhattan
Manhattan Murder Mystery
Sleeper
Zelig
I will be glad to do a side-by-side comparison with someone of your choosing, if you like. Of course, this is representative of my own opinion. You may think Greg Araki is a genius.
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Okay, uh... Andrei Tarkovsky, GO!!
Naw, just kiddin' Dave, I don't think this is worth your effort. I'm just not simpatico with that guy. AT ALL.
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This will drive you crazy, and it's the wrong topic, but I love this game; so take this over to the general movies topic (I can't remember the exact title).
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Done!
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Ted Nugent.
I worked a show of his last night, and I officially went from ambivalently knowing that he's a loudmouth who I have some different opinions from to actually hoping something decisively bad happens to him soon.
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Was this a Savage Animal show?
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I would put Woody Allen's best 10 films up against anyone's ever. I include in that collection
Annie Hall
Crimes and Misdemeanors
Deconstructing Harry
Hannah and Her Sisters
Husbands and Wives
Love and Death
Manhattan
Manhattan Murder Mystery
Sleeper
Zelig
I will be glad to do a side-by-side comparison with someone of your choosing, if you like. Of course, this is representative of my own opinion. You may think Greg Araki is a genius.
I do not like Woody Allen much but I thought Sleeper and Crimes and Misdemeanors were very good. I'll play Dave.
I say Martin Scorsese's ten best are wayyyyy better than Woody's top ten. Bring out your trigonometry and math magic and formulas.
1. Taxi Driver
2. Raging Bull
3. Goodfellas
4, Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore
5. After Hours
6. The King of Comedy
7. The Departed
8. The Aviator
9. The Color of Money
10. Mean Streets
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No one asked for this, which is why I'm doing it.
1. Taxi Driver - good, not great
2. Raging Bull - one of the, if not the, most overrated movie(s) of all time. I would need to be paid pretty well to watch this again.
3. Goodfellas - GREAT! Even as praised as it is, it's underrated.
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I would put Woody Allen's best 10 films up against anyone's ever. I include in that collection
Annie Hall
Crimes and Misdemeanors
Deconstructing Harry
Hannah and Her Sisters
Husbands and Wives
Love and Death
Manhattan
Manhattan Murder Mystery
Sleeper
Zelig
I will be glad to do a side-by-side comparison with someone of your choosing, if you like. Of course, this is representative of my own opinion. You may think Greg Araki is a genius.
I do not like Woody Allen much but I thought Sleeper and Crimes and Misdemeanors were very good. I'll play Dave.
I say Martin Scorsese's ten best are wayyyyy better than Woody's top ten. Bring out your trigonometry and math magic and formulas.
1. Taxi Driver
2. Raging Bull
3. Goodfellas
4, Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore
5. After Hours
6. The King of Comedy
7. The Departed
8. The Aviator
9. The Color of Money
10. Mean Streets
I will "prove" you wrong when I get home, by extracting what's like, then comparing what's left. But I will still love you as much as ever.
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I nominate the guy from Mit Hamine for the hate pit. This guy is a real prize.
"PAVEMENT?? WHAT DOES PAVEMENT EVEN MEAN?? WHAT IS A ZEPPELIN??!"
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Too many of Scorsese's movie titles start with "the"
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I nominate the guy from Mit Hamine for the hate pit. This guy is a real prize.
"PAVEMENT?? WHAT DOES PAVEMENT EVEN MEAN?? WHAT IS A ZEPPELIN??!"
I nominate just the name "Mit Hamine" for the Pit. Also, I suggest that we start referring to them as They Who Must Not Be Named.
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I bet in his mind in a couple years the band will have a legion of loyal fans called 'Minis' (pronounced 'meanies').
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http://rvamag.com/articles/full/11983/daily-fix-mit-hamine-gets-harassed-on-wfmu (http://rvamag.com/articles/full/11983/daily-fix-mit-hamine-gets-harassed-on-wfmu)
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Maybe kind of a 'deep' choice, but....Irving Azoff?
His name came up in conversation the other day--the dude has had a hand in just about everything that's terrible about popular music.
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Me! I want to get in a do a 'Faces of the Hate Pit: Live from the Hate Pit' maybe APMike will finance it with his 30 big ones from Doddy?
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I nominate Kurt Sutter, creator and writer and actor of Sons of Anarchy.
http://www.avclub.com/articles/sons-of-anarchys-kurt-sutter-comments-on-emmy-snub,58987/ (http://www.avclub.com/articles/sons-of-anarchys-kurt-sutter-comments-on-emmy-snub,58987/)
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people who wear "trust me, i'm a doctor" shirts.
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Jason Friedberg and Aaron Seltzer
Daniel Tosh
Kevin Smith