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Title: The Southern Gentlemen
Post by: buffcoat on June 01, 2011, 06:47:22 PM
I imagine they were something like this:


PT 1 The Three Stooges In Uncivil War Birds (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARskUG6ggIw#)

Title: Re: The Southern Gentlemen
Post by: Jason from Huntsville, AL on June 03, 2011, 08:43:08 AM
By less than a minute in, they had already committed that linguistic mortal sin which is a tell-tale sign of a fake Southerner: Using "y'all" to refer to one person. "Y'all" is plural, y'all.

I expected nothing better out of that lot.
Title: Re: The Southern Gentlemen
Post by: yesno on June 03, 2011, 09:26:36 AM
I thought the plural form was "all y'all."
Title: Re: The Southern Gentlemen
Post by: Jason from Huntsville, AL on June 03, 2011, 10:52:37 AM
I thought the plural form was "all y'all."

"All y'all" is a super plural, referring to more than one group of people.
Title: Re: The Southern Gentlemen
Post by: yesno on June 03, 2011, 11:20:27 AM
Analysis:

http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2009 (http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2009)
Title: Re: The Southern Gentlemen
Post by: buffcoat on June 03, 2011, 03:23:20 PM
You are all correct, and I should know: I served as linguistic consultant to John Schneider and Denver Pyle on the Dukes of Hazzard from 1979-1981 and 1983-1985.

Help Coy and Vance?  GOOD DAY, SIR!
Title: Re: The Southern Gentlemen
Post by: Jason from Huntsville, AL on June 03, 2011, 06:46:04 PM
Analysis:

http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2009 (http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2009)

Interesting reading.

I can personally attest that the only time I've heard anyone use "y'all" in a singular sense is someone on TV pretending to be Southern. I have never heard this in the wild in its natural habitat (my mouth being part of that habitat.)
Title: Re: The Southern Gentlemen
Post by: yesno on June 03, 2011, 07:56:41 PM
I think the "implied plural" notion accounts for the instances I may have heard from youse Southerners.

Maybe the same weird forces that made "you" singular in the first place will do their work on "y'all." 

Further discussion of this latter point at the bottom of this page: http://etymonline.com/columns/do-be-thee.htm (http://etymonline.com/columns/do-be-thee.htm)
Title: Re: The Southern Gentlemen
Post by: dave from knoxville on June 03, 2011, 08:16:02 PM
Analysis:

http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2009 (http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2009)

Interesting reading.

I can personally attest that the only time I've heard anyone use "y'all" in a singular sense is someone on TV pretending to be Southern. I have never heard this in the wild in its natural habitat (my mouth being part of that habitat.)

I have to admit, "hey ya'll"'s been a standard greeting in my workaday vocabulary since I was a boy.
Title: Re: The Southern Gentlemen
Post by: Boogdish on June 04, 2011, 02:41:35 PM
I was born in Alabama and raised Texas, and I've always heard "y'all" used as second person plural.  I think it's interested how English doesn't really have a standard for the second person plural and different regions have made up their own words for it, "ya'll" in the south, "yinz" in western PA, "youse" in the east.  I'd be interested in hearing what the other English speaking regions of the globe use for this like in Australia, England, South Africa, etc.
Title: Re: The Southern Gentlemen
Post by: cavorting with nudists on June 04, 2011, 08:15:02 PM
In England, there's "you lot," right?
Title: Re: The Southern Gentlemen
Post by: Sarah on June 04, 2011, 08:25:46 PM
In Lubec, people say "you" and count on context.
Title: Re: The Southern Gentlemen
Post by: buffcoat on June 04, 2011, 08:39:28 PM
In Lubec, people say "you" and count on context.

Then murder each other in the Clamfields.













Too soon?
Title: Re: The Southern Gentlemen
Post by: fonpr on June 04, 2011, 08:49:53 PM
Dave,

Perhaps the script should be written right here>

After the RateMyProf submissions.  It seems fool-proof.

Three itinerant "hobos" (they work) meet on the caboose of the Alabama Comet heading towards New Jersey...
Title: Re: The Southern Gentlemen
Post by: Sarah on June 05, 2011, 12:24:43 AM
In Lubec, people say "you" and count on context.

Then murder each other in the Clamfields.













Too soon?

Hey, that was never proven.
Title: Re: The Southern Gentlemen
Post by: Sarah on June 05, 2011, 12:26:07 AM
And it's "flats," y'all dunce.
Title: Re: The Southern Gentlemen
Post by: buffcoat on June 05, 2011, 02:05:13 AM
In Lubec, people say "you" and count on context.

Then murder each other in the Clamfields.


Too soon?

Hey, that was never proven.


Murderesque.
Title: Re: The Southern Gentlemen
Post by: Christina on June 06, 2011, 11:39:53 AM
I get called "sweet" when I go down South, like if I'm leaving a store I'll say "have a good day" to the cashier, and they'll say "you too, sweet". It happened at least twice I think. Maybe that's the feminine singular.
Title: Re: The Southern Gentlemen
Post by: buffcoat on June 06, 2011, 02:41:33 PM
I get called "sweet" when I go down South, like if I'm leaving a store I'll say "have a good day" to the cashier, and they'll say "you too, sweet". It happened at least twice I think. Maybe that's the feminine singular.


I've never heard this one, but then again I'm not very sweet.
Title: Re: The Southern Gentlemen
Post by: Jason from Huntsville, AL on June 06, 2011, 02:55:21 PM
I get called "sweet" when I go down South, like if I'm leaving a store I'll say "have a good day" to the cashier, and they'll say "you too, sweet". It happened at least twice I think. Maybe that's the feminine singular.

I wonder if they were calling you "Sweetie" and the "e" sound on end is so soft you're not hearing it?  I've heard that plenty of times.
Title: Re: The Southern Gentlemen
Post by: Christina on June 06, 2011, 02:59:02 PM
I get called "sweet" when I go down South, like if I'm leaving a store I'll say "have a good day" to the cashier, and they'll say "you too, sweet". It happened at least twice I think. Maybe that's the feminine singular.

I wonder if they were calling you "Sweetie" and the "e" sound on end is so soft you're not hearing it?  I've heard that plenty of times.

At first I was sure that's what it was, but there was at least one other time too - but I haven't heard it in a while, so who knows!
Title: Re: The Southern Gentlemen
Post by: Boogdish on June 07, 2011, 08:00:32 PM
It is a southern thing to call people by the word printed on the butt area of their sweatpants, so if you were wearing sweatpants that said "Sweet" on the butt area, that's probably what it was.
Title: Re: The Southern Gentlemen
Post by: dave from knoxville on September 15, 2011, 03:07:22 PM
When I am giving tests, I often play with anagrams to pass the time between accusing them of cheating. Today I figured out this one. "dave jason fredericks" to "a vicar defends jokers". Who's the vicar, and what did we do to need defending?
Title: Re: The Southern Gentlemen
Post by: JesseFromVegas on September 17, 2011, 12:05:07 AM
When I am giving tests, I often play with anagrams to pass the time between accusing them of cheating. Today I figured out this one. "dave jason fredericks" to "a vicar defends jokers". Who's the vicar, and what did we do to need defending?

Hodgman plays the vicar and you three were mistaken for three bank robbers.  The vicar knows you're innocent and is hiding you from the posse that's after you by dressing you as nuns.

I'm just trying to figure out why an English vicar is in the South and why he has nuns' habits.  And if Hodgman can do a British accent.
Title: Re: The Southern Gentlemen
Post by: dave from knoxville on September 17, 2011, 08:41:02 AM
When I am giving tests, I often play with anagrams to pass the time between accusing them of cheating. Today I figured out this one. "dave jason fredericks" to "a vicar defends jokers". Who's the vicar, and what did we do to need defending?

Hodgman plays the vicar and you three were mistaken for three bank robbers.  The vicar knows you're innocent and is hiding you from the posse that's after you by dressing you as nuns.

I'm just trying to figure out why an English vicar is in the South and why he has nuns' habits.  And if Hodgman can do a British accent.

It's a lovely thought, rife with cross references to The Hunchback of Notre Dame, the Passion of Joan of Arc, and Going My Way. I kinda had the idea that we might try to do a subtle parody of a little known but highly regarded intellectually powerful film like Au Hasard Balthazar, a variation loaded with physical slapstick and evocative images summoning ruminations on the meaning of life and the existence of God. We already have our central animal image motif, the mighty possum.

Imagine Curly and Larry discussing dispensationalism, using their distinct speaking cadences and limited vocabularies, sprinkling in some verbal non-sequitars and cutting in some images unrelated to what they are saying to give the critics something to chew on, when suddenly Moe hits one of them with a tire iron, and you're close to my vision.
Title: Re: The Southern Gentlemen
Post by: fonpr on September 17, 2011, 08:58:06 AM
I kinda had the idea that we might try to do a subtle parody of a little known but highly regarded intellectually powerful film like Au Hasard Balthazar, a variation loaded with physical slapstick and evocative images summoning ruminations on the meaning of life and the existence of God. We already have our central animal image motif, the mighty possum.

Imagine Curly and Larry discussing dispensationalism, using their distinct speaking cadences and limited vocabularies, sprinkling in some verbal non-sequitars and cutting in some images unrelated to what they are saying to give the critics something to chew on, when suddenly Moe hits one of them with a tire iron, and you're close to my vision.

Hey, this sounds appealling.
Title: Re: The Southern Gentlemen
Post by: Jason from Huntsville, AL on September 17, 2011, 09:21:46 AM
I kinda had the idea that we might try to do a subtle parody of a little known but highly regarded intellectually powerful film like Au Hasard Balthazar, a variation loaded with physical slapstick and evocative images summoning ruminations on the meaning of life and the existence of God. We already have our central animal image motif, the mighty possum.

Imagine Curly and Larry discussing dispensationalism, using their distinct speaking cadences and limited vocabularies, sprinkling in some verbal non-sequitars and cutting in some images unrelated to what they are saying to give the critics something to chew on, when suddenly Moe hits one of them with a tire iron, and you're close to my vision.

Hey, this sounds appealling.

Here we go. *boink*

So, when are you guys coming to Huntsville so we can shoot this?
Title: Re: The Southern Gentlemen
Post by: fonpr on September 17, 2011, 09:53:19 AM
The tire iron bends.  Moe stares at it incredulously.  Conversation continues...
Title: Re: The Southern Gentlemen
Post by: JesseFromVegas on September 17, 2011, 12:00:42 PM
Gentlemen, if you three would indulge me, I would sincerely like to take a crack at writing a spec script for your approval.
Title: Re: The Southern Gentlemen
Post by: cavorting with nudists on September 17, 2011, 02:20:01 PM
Spread out, Nunskulls©.
Title: Re: The Southern Gentlemen
Post by: dave from knoxville on September 17, 2011, 07:44:06 PM
Gentlemen, if you three would indulge me, I would sincerely like to take a crack at writing a spec script for your approval.

Hey, I am willing to steal anybody's work. Vision me!
Title: Re: The Southern Gentlemen
Post by: Kormod on September 17, 2011, 08:27:56 PM
When I am giving tests, I often play with anagrams to pass the time between accusing them of cheating. Today I figured out this one. "dave jason fredericks" to "a vicar defends jokers". Who's the vicar, and what did we do to need defending?

Hodgman plays the vicar and you three were mistaken for three bank robbers.  The vicar knows you're innocent and is hiding you from the posse that's after you by dressing you as nuns.

I'm just trying to figure out why an English vicar is in the South and why he has nuns' habits.  And if Hodgman can do a British accent.

It's a lovely thought, rife with cross references to The Hunchback of Notre Dame, the Passion of Joan of Arc, and Going My Way. I kinda had the idea that we might try to do a subtle parody of a little known but highly regarded intellectually powerful film like Au Hasard Balthazar, a variation loaded with physical slapstick and evocative images summoning ruminations on the meaning of life and the existence of God. We already have our central animal image motif, the mighty possum.

Imagine Curly and Larry discussing dispensationalism, using their distinct speaking cadences and limited vocabularies, sprinkling in some verbal non-sequitars and cutting in some images unrelated to what they are saying to give the critics something to chew on, when suddenly Moe hits one of them with a tire iron, and you're close to my vision.

This made me laugh out loud. Someone please make this movie.
Title: Re: The Southern Gentlemen
Post by: Jason from Huntsville, AL on September 17, 2011, 11:41:41 PM
Gentlemen, if you three would indulge me, I would sincerely like to take a crack at writing a spec script for your approval.

Hey, I am willing to steal anybody's work. Vision me!

Just remember, we are contractually obligated to include one song sung by Col. Tom Scharpling & one bear attack in every production. Be sure to work each in there somehow.
Title: Re: The Southern Gentlemen
Post by: JesseFromVegas on September 19, 2011, 12:21:17 AM
Gentlemen, if you three would indulge me, I would sincerely like to take a crack at writing a spec script for your approval.

Hey, I am willing to steal anybody's work. Vision me!

Just remember, we are contractually obligated to include one song sung by Col. Tom Scharpling & one bear attack in every production. Be sure to work each in there somehow.

Carson McCullers by way of Werner Herzog.  Got it.
Title: Re: The Southern Gentlemen
Post by: fonpr on September 19, 2011, 11:15:29 AM
Gentlemen, if you three would indulge me, I would sincerely like to take a crack at writing a spec script for your approval.

Hey, I am willing to steal anybody's work. Vision me!

Just remember, we are contractually obligated to include one song sung by Col. Tom Scharpling & one bear attack in every production. Be sure to work each in there somehow.

Carson McCullers by way of Werner Herzog.  Got it.
What species is the bear?

These things matter.
Title: Re: The Southern Gentlemen
Post by: Jason from Huntsville, AL on September 19, 2011, 11:34:44 PM
What species is the bear?

These things matter.

Probably a black bear or whatever's cheapest. Maybe even a big dog that we "bear-up."

I don't work with grizzlies.
Title: Re: The Southern Gentlemen
Post by: fonpr on September 20, 2011, 08:42:46 AM
Fine.
Title: Re: The Southern Gentlemen
Post by: fonpr on September 21, 2011, 10:29:15 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/yellowstone-hikers-flight-may-spurred-grizzly-attack-003253139.html (http://news.yahoo.com/yellowstone-hikers-flight-may-spurred-grizzly-attack-003253139.html)


Speaking of grizzlies:   Do not run away screaming!

http://www.betterlivingthroughbeowulf.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/grizzly.jpg (http://www.betterlivingthroughbeowulf.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/grizzly.jpg)
Title: Re: The Southern Gentlemen
Post by: Dan of Orange on September 23, 2011, 04:59:28 AM
In Australia we say:
'' See you all later''     formal
'' See ya all later''        friendly
'' See yous or yus all later''   over - friendly
Title: Re: The Southern Gentlemen
Post by: dave from knoxville on September 23, 2011, 03:01:51 PM
In Australia we say:
'' See you all later''     formal
'' See ya all later''        friendly
'' See yous or yus all later''   over - friendly

Down south we frequently reply to any variation on this with "Not if ah see ya'll furrrrrst".