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Tim K in DC

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internet jukeboxes
« on: December 16, 2007, 03:54:47 AM »
This thread could easily cross-post with the hate pit thread, but I am wondering if anybody else is as troubled as I am by the fact that these loathsome "advances" in technology are multiplying like Starbucks throughout bars everywhere.

Even though (or because, perhaps) Boston does tend to ruin everything, I am finding more and more once-great local watering holes caving into this shitty, costly, culturally destructive trend. For me, a bar's jukebox is often the main selling point on the (increasingly rare) occasions when I have the need and the means to go out, park myself on a stool, buy a couple of cold ones and hear some good tunes. The jukebox has long been the fingerprint of a bar's character -- haunts like JJ Foley's, the Model Cafe, Charlie's Kitchen, (the late) PJ Kilroy's (formerly Father's II), (the late) Rathskellar, and (the late) Cambridgeport Saloon had exemplary jukebox selections carefully and reliably curated by each bar's staff -- but the internet jukeboxes, while they portray the illusion of wider access to music, just rip people off by the song. And for a song, no less; no more 2 or 3 plays for a dollar -- it's $1 per tune for the songs in their limited preset catalog, and $2 per tune if you want to download other stuff from their wider yet still woefully inadequate, indie-/non-commercial-blind database. You can find some good stuff, but you better be packing at least quadruple or more of your old jukebox budget if you want to hear anything remotely good. And forget it if you want to go into the Model now and hear that great Motorhead comp or non-Back In Black ACDC tunes or more obscure local fare (Roadsaw, Mung, the list just goes on) that the bartenders had loaded onto their old rig; the Model has gone to the dark side. Same with Foley's. It's fucking heartbreaking. Charlie's Kitchen might actually be one of the only holdouts against the trend among the bars I mentioned above. For shame, other bars. For shame.
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Tim K in DC

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Re: internet jukeboxes
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2007, 05:09:55 AM »
At the risk of accusations of hubris or desperation, I'm bumping this thread because I simply cannot believe that I am the only FOT with a complaint about this trend. Or maybe I'm just nuts. Starting to know what The Kid felt like when he tried to Turk 182 it. Ugh.
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dave from knoxville

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Re: internet jukeboxes
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2007, 05:12:40 AM »
I don't drink, so I am not often in bars. But if I did, I am sure I would be passionate about the lack of good Blue Oyster Cult on the jukebox!

Tim K in DC

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Re: internet jukeboxes
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2007, 05:13:55 AM »
Coke Blak is technically a "cold one"...
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Re: internet jukeboxes
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2007, 06:23:32 AM »
Roadsaw! Strange to hear them mentioned on here.

Personally, though, a bar's not a bar unless I can play Milligram's This Is Class War from front to back.

I know what you're saying. There's a bar here in Columbus called Larry's that used to have an album jukebox that held vinyl LPs and each play got you a whole side. They finally had to scrap it because it broke down a lot and was difficult and expensive to repair, but that was great while it lasted. They always had quality stuff in there.
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Re: internet jukeboxes
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2007, 08:19:51 AM »
P.A. Lounge has a pretty decent jukebox but it was busted the last couple time I was there.  :-\

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Re: internet jukeboxes
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2007, 11:15:45 AM »
I feel you regarding bars with "character," Tim, but when you're hanging out at Shades of Green waiting for a show at Irving Plaza to start, you thank god the jukebox has internet access.

Now write me a receipt so I can tip on outta here...

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Re: internet jukeboxes
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2007, 11:22:04 AM »
Roadsaw! Strange to hear them mentioned on here.

Mung is the one that made me chuckle

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Re: internet jukeboxes
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2007, 12:33:10 PM »
Ideally, jukeboxes would all be based on 45s, with a really cool clacky mechanism for switching them.

Absent that, I don't really see an Internet jukebox as being much worse than a CD jukebox.  I suppose too much choice can be suffocating:  A regular jukebox can make you really dig to find songs you like.

The main problem is that the new jukeboxes all look really stupid and have really tacky user interfaces.

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Re: internet jukeboxes
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2007, 03:37:32 PM »
I hate when they have 10-12 albums I like but all the wrong songs.

Tim K in DC

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Re: internet jukeboxes
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2007, 02:52:06 AM »
Roadsaw! Strange to hear them mentioned on here.

Mung is the one that made me chuckle

Oh, come on now. Mung were great, and Paul Delano is one of the smartest and kindest guys in the Boston punk rock cannon, not to mention a great songwriter and guitarist.
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Tim K in DC

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Re: internet jukeboxes
« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2007, 03:13:02 AM »
This is pure coincidence, but my boss Lisa at Zuzu (I have like eight Middle East-affiliated bosses due to all the random crap I do for the lovingly dysfunctional company) has been grabbing me over the past couple of months to program the Zuzu jukebox (which is free) for her dinner crowd. The machine has a bunch of great discs, so anyone could do it, but she likes my emphasis on Gen X (i.e. "Kiss Me Deadly"), The Troggs, La Peste, The Bellrays, Wire (i.e. "Too Late"), The Stooges (Fun House), The MC5 (i.e. "Tonight"), The Fall, Them, and so forth. So -- and this was after I posted this rant thread -- we were talking about the jukebox the other night and she asked me to "take over curating" (her words, and she's not, unfortunately, a FOT listener, at least yet; hopefully I and Jantine B -- yes, JANTINE B!!! -- who deejays at Zuzu now, will help get Lisa on the team) the Zuzu jukebox. "I need some Lyres," was her only stipulation. So I'm going to do it, and I'm pretty fucking psyched. I'm going to leave a lot of the good selections already on there in tact, but Lisa wants me to put more of a local rock spin (old and new) on the selections. After doing radio free for 18 years, this is a nice paying vindication of what I've learned and continue to discover music-wise.
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Tim K in DC

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Re: internet jukeboxes
« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2007, 03:16:53 AM »
Roadsaw! Strange to hear them mentioned on here.

Personally, though, a bar's not a bar unless I can play Milligram's This Is Class War from front to back.

I know what you're saying. There's a bar here in Columbus called Larry's that used to have an album jukebox that held vinyl LPs and each play got you a whole side. They finally had to scrap it because it broke down a lot and was difficult and expensive to repair, but that was great while it lasted. They always had quality stuff in there.

Ah, Milligram. I'll be including some of their stuff at Zuzu, if not This Is Class War in its entirety then parts of it with the radio-only demo MBR got that is chock-full of Black Flag and Misfits covers. Those guys fucking ruled, and Jonah is the definition of class.
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Tim K in DC

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Re: internet jukeboxes
« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2007, 03:27:25 AM »
I feel you regarding bars with "character," Tim, but when you're hanging out at Shades of Green waiting for a show at Irving Plaza to start, you thank god the jukebox has internet access.



Oof. I have never had the apparent displeasure of having to do that. Maybe that's the one upside: internet jukeboxes help make shitty bars less shitty. It's just going to cost you $2 per song to achieve less-shitty. Otherwise, it's "Don't stop/Be-lieve-ing..."
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Re: internet jukeboxes
« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2007, 08:01:13 AM »
I feel you regarding bars with "character," Tim, but when you're hanging out at Shades of Green waiting for a show at Irving Plaza to start, you thank god the jukebox has internet access.



Oof. I have never had the apparent displeasure of having to do that. Maybe that's the one upside: internet jukeboxes help make shitty bars less shitty. It's just going to cost you $2 per song to achieve less-shitty. Otherwise, it's "Don't stop/Be-lieve-ing..."

Just as long as it isn't the Petra Hatin' version. Am I right people?!?!