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Chris L

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Re: TheWireTheWire etc. Season 5
« Reply #30 on: January 21, 2008, 10:52:12 AM »
Episode 3 was hands down the worst one in the show's history, containing probably the single worst scene (Lester/McNulty) and worst line of dialogue ("We have to kill again") as well.  Lester has a well-documented subversive streak but the idea that he'd go along with such an obviously cracked idea after 15 seconds' consideration is ridiculous.  Not to mention you think even he would have more self-preservation than to hitch his wagon to McDumbshit's star. 

Then there's the sudden globetrotting; Marlo flying all the way to Antilles to make sure his money is physically at the bank - and being oblivious to the hot French girl - was kinda funny, but the Omar scene was set up and executed like a bad revenge B-movie. 

Also, it makes sense to weave in the Sun as another failing institution, but I'm thinking that storyline might have been weakened by the shorter episode order, as everyone there has been too narrowly defined so far. The cliches of the virtuous old school Newspapermen butting heads with the clueless whiter-than-white bosses and young hotshots have been uncharacteristically glaring, and the whole thing isn't working for me yet.  I'm guessing/hoping that they at least develop Templeton a little more before he fucks over whoever he's going to fuck over. 

On a more positive note, the Six Flags thing was great.  And happily, episode 54 was written by Ed Burns and bears more resemblence to the show again. 

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Re: TheWireTheWire etc. Season 5
« Reply #31 on: January 21, 2008, 12:03:03 PM »
if that had been Stringer Bell headed to the islands to check up on his cash, you know he would have picked up a Rosetta Stone cd to listen to on the plane ride to at least get the rudiments down.

I really, really hope that this season veers away from being so McNulty-centric. I coulda done without that last drunk-at-the-bar-again/ picking up a random woman scene. I get it: he's a total anti-hero. now, maybe give Kima a line or two.

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« Reply #32 on: January 21, 2008, 02:42:36 PM »
I agree with not making it so McNulty-centric, and I agree that Lester would be unlikely to tilt so hard at a windmill, but...

This whole storyline is COMPLETELY in keeping with McNulty's character.  In fact, Season 4 McNulty is the abberation.  He has a self-destructive streak that's completely amazing.

It's still a good show.  But I don't like the Sun angle, and I'm tired of Marlo the Magnificient Super Bad Guy.  Stringer Bell and Avon had their flaws as gangsters/stas.  What's Marlo's flaw?  Nobody's perfect.

And I expected Hannibal Lecter to be following Omar and his pal.

How many episodes are there this season?
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Re: TheWireTheWire etc. Season 5
« Reply #33 on: January 21, 2008, 07:35:21 PM »
I agree with not making it so McNulty-centric, and I agree that Lester would be unlikely to tilt so hard at a windmill, but...

This whole storyline is COMPLETELY in keeping with McNulty's character.  In fact, Season 4 McNulty is the abberation.  He has a self-destructive streak that's completely amazing.

It's still a good show.  But I don't like the Sun angle, and I'm tired of Marlo the Magnificient Super Bad Guy.  Stringer Bell and Avon had their flaws as gangsters/stas.  What's Marlo's flaw?  Nobody's perfect.

And I expected Hannibal Lecter to be following Omar and his pal.

How many episodes are there this season?

Marlo's flaw I think they point out plainly is he's so raw and without principals
steps on people when he doesn't have to.

Only 10 eps this season
and they look to be keeping on pace
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« Reply #34 on: January 21, 2008, 09:53:45 PM »
More continuity fun in episode 4:

One of the homeless guys drinking under the bridge was the dockworker who stole cars with Ziggy in season two.

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Re: TheWireTheWire etc. Season 5
« Reply #35 on: January 21, 2008, 11:44:35 PM »
More continuity fun in episode 4:

One of the homeless guys drinking under the bridge was the dockworker who stole cars with Ziggy in season two.


thats crazy

you could make a whole other show about the Wire-verse
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Re: TheWireTheWire etc. Season 5
« Reply #36 on: January 22, 2008, 11:25:07 AM »
I liked Episode 4 better, although this whole season is starting to feel like a surreal coda to Season 4.  Where everyone pulled off their regular Joe costumes and revealed that they were Superheroes after all.

The end was a bit surprising, though they'd been setting it up for awhile.
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Re: TheWireTheWire etc. Season 5
« Reply #37 on: January 22, 2008, 08:47:12 PM »
Episode 3 was hands down the worst one in the show's history, containing probably the single worst scene (Lester/McNulty) and worst line of dialogue ("We have to kill again") as well.  Lester has a well-documented subversive streak but the idea that he'd go along with such an obviously cracked idea after 15 seconds' consideration is ridiculous.  Not to mention you think even he would have more self-preservation than to hitch his wagon to McDumbshit's star. 

The "we have to kill again" line was a bit showy and annoying, but I didn't mind it too much. It wouldn't have worked coming out of anyone else's mouth.

As for Lester going along with such a dumb idea not being believable, consider the fact that Bunny Colvin went along with an even dumber idea in season 3, he did it with less encouragement, and he had much more to lose than Lester does. And he didn't even have the subversive streak (not that we could see, anyway). Just something to consider.
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Re: TheWireTheWire etc. Season 5
« Reply #38 on: January 23, 2008, 04:46:33 AM »
Hamsterdam was an even dumber idea than this?  Wha?!

(I disagree.)

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Re: TheWireTheWire etc. Season 5
« Reply #39 on: January 23, 2008, 06:16:38 AM »
Hamsterdam was an even dumber idea than this?  Wha?!

(I disagree.)

I'm not saying the idea of legalizing drugs is necessarily dumb, but the way he went about it certainly was.
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Re: TheWireTheWire etc. Season 5
« Reply #40 on: January 23, 2008, 09:56:43 PM »
I think Lester just realizes how little he DOES have to lose. If it all blows up, it's McNulty the drunken cop that takes the heat. Jimmy wouldn't rat anybody out ever, especially Lester, and Lester seems like he's being careful to limit his involvement. Hell, he's not even on the cases. McNulty is the one in the homicide department talking it up, McNulty is the one leaking it to the press, McNulty is the one who lied to the ME. No, Lester is watching a man digging his own grave and has decided to at least try for some good to come out of it.

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Re: TheWireTheWire etc. Season 5
« Reply #41 on: January 24, 2008, 09:16:44 AM »
I don't get The Wire. And by that, I don't mean I don't "get" The Wire, that I don't understand it, or its appeal, but that, not being an HBO subscriber, The Wire doesn't get into my home.

Having said that, I listened to an episode of Sound of Young America during which our pal Jesse spent 55 minutes slobbering all over two cast members from the show, one who plays a junkie called Bubbles, and the other who plays a cop with a short name (Bunk? Shad? Thor? Something like that.)

The thrust of the interview seemed to be that the show was so great because it made junkies likable, more three-dimensional, and it made drug-traders more sympathetic.

Ignoring the fact that I can't think of almost anything I would less like than to make drug-dealers more sympathetic, I at least got insight into the hate pits, the people in them, and the deeds that placed them there. Surely it's just that we don't see the three-dimensional fullness of Mickey Dolenz, that if we only understood what he went through, he would be more sympathetic, and we would be appreciative of the pressures in his life that forced him to blow off our pal Tom. If only we knew him more fully, his life could be an example to us, and we could learn to love his flaws, and use those flaws to shed light on the dark corners of our own lives, our own feeble attempts at impersonating Jimmy Cagney, and to be better people by virtue of being more empathetic to those we would otherwise casually dismiss.

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Re: TheWireTheWire etc. Season 5
« Reply #42 on: January 24, 2008, 09:34:05 AM »
I think Lester just realizes how little he DOES have to lose. If it all blows up, it's McNulty the drunken cop that takes the heat. Jimmy wouldn't rat anybody out ever, especially Lester, and Lester seems like he's being careful to limit his involvement. Hell, he's not even on the cases. McNulty is the one in the homicide department talking it up, McNulty is the one leaking it to the press, McNulty is the one who lied to the ME. No, Lester is watching a man digging his own grave and has decided to at least try for some good to come out of it.

That's a pretty good point.  Bunk also made clear he wanted his name nowhere near it and given the capability of the Baltimore PD McNulty should at least be capable of obfuscating their involvment, with the emphasis on should.

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Re: TheWireTheWire etc. Season 5
« Reply #43 on: January 24, 2008, 09:36:10 AM »

Ignoring the fact that I can't think of almost anything I would less like than to make drug-dealers more sympathetic, I at least got insight into the hate pits, the people in them, and the deeds that placed them there. Surely it's just that we don't see the three-dimensional fullness of Mickey Dolenz, that if we only understood what he went through, he would be more sympathetic, and we would be appreciative of the pressures in his life that forced him to blow off our pal Tom. If only we knew him more fully, his life could be an example to us, and we could learn to love his flaws, and use those flaws to shed light on the dark corners of our own lives, our own feeble attempts at impersonating Jimmy Cagney, and to be better people by virtue of being more empathetic to those we would otherwise casually dismiss.


this might explain a bit.


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Re: TheWireTheWire etc. Season 5
« Reply #44 on: January 24, 2008, 09:56:23 AM »
this might explain a bit.



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