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« Reply #1305 on: September 17, 2011, 12:23:06 PM »
I can't remember the case off the top of my head, but there were a lot of "rotten districts" back in the day, particularly in the South.  This meant that there would be a Congressional district, with a small white population, and a district with a large black population, and they would have equal representation in Congress.  But at least the districts themselves tended to reflect actual geographic or political lines.

The Supreme Court ruled that districts had to be redrawn so that the were, as close as possible, "one person one vote."  Seems like a good idea, but this gave states license to make arbitrarily-shaped districts as long as they had roughly the same number of people in them.  Maybe we're better off under widespread gerrymandering than under unbalanced districts, but it shows that good intentions can go awry.  I think we'd be better off with fixed, rationally-shaped electoral districts with only rough population equality, or no districts at all and electing all representatives at large from the state as a whole with preference voting, than with state legislatures given the opportunity to re-draw electoral districts every ten years.

Another side-effect of gerrymandering, too, is that the conservativedistricts tend to be far to the right of center AND the liberal districts tend to be far to the left of center, making political compromise much more difficult.

This whole issue is one of my pet peeves, and most Democrats don't help the issue since they gerrymander just as much when they're in power.  Even when the gerrymandering is well-intentioned, for example to ensure that minorities have proportional representation in a state's delegation, I still think it's a bad idea.  Electoral districts ought to have some underlying basis besides number of people in them, or shouldn't exist.

This is one of my political pet issues.

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« Reply #1306 on: September 17, 2011, 05:43:11 PM »
Speaking of which, has anyone seen this?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1241319/

Gerrymandering - DocTalk

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« Reply #1307 on: September 17, 2011, 07:47:11 PM »
 "Even when the gerrymandering is well-intentioned, for example to ensure that minorities have proportional representation in a state's delegation, I still think it's a bad idea."
"Like it or not, Florida seems dedicated to a 'live fast, die' way of doing things."

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« Reply #1308 on: September 17, 2011, 10:04:06 PM »
Some judge up in New York a couple of years ago ordered that there be at-large representation and some system that allows people to concentrate their votes (for example, there are three at large positions and you can vote for one guy three times if you like). Can't be bothered to google.  At-large representation and the right voting system can do a lot that gerrymandered majority-minority districts can't--for instance, it can allow geographically disperse groups (political, ethnic, whatever) to pool their votes.

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« Reply #1309 on: September 17, 2011, 11:01:52 PM »
(http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/17/wall-street-protest-begins-with-demonstrators-blocked/):

(Edit: Despite the quotes from people outside the city, the NY Times article makes this protest look like a dumb Williamsburg thing -- which it probably was. Other articles said that the protest had a decent turnout and that the protests would continue into at least Monday (both of which seem kind of unlikely); "#takewallstreet" was also trending on Twitter for a while.)

I'm really hoping this photo from Al-Jazeera isn't an accurate representation of what's going on at the protest: http://i.imgur.com/28qnW.jpg

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« Reply #1310 on: September 18, 2011, 08:20:45 PM »
David Cross was right about this back in 2000.  You have to look the part to be taken seriously.  Which should be the point, after all. 

What in the world are those hipsters doing?  Cat-cow stretches?
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« Reply #1311 on: September 19, 2011, 08:06:10 AM »
Yeah, stupid hipsters. Don't they know that if you want to get taken seriously by the media and middle America, you have to dress like you're from Colonial Williamsburg.

I'm waiting for the dopey anti-hipster sentiment in this country to get picked up by the right as an auxiliary part of their "snooty left-wing cultural elites" talking point. Stuff White People Like has already met them halfway; all Michele Bachmann and Rick Perry have to do is drop a few disparaging references to Whole Foods or "ironic anti-values" to get the ball rolling.
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« Reply #1312 on: September 19, 2011, 08:51:59 AM »
I'm sure "ironic anti-values" is way beyond their comprehension, but at one time Jonah Goldberg intended his book Liberal Fascism to have the subtitle From Mussolini to Whole Foods.
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« Reply #1313 on: September 19, 2011, 01:29:45 PM »
Doing pilates while wearing a V for Vendetta mask might not be as dumb as wearing a tri-corn hat and waving around a bell, but it's still pretty dumb. The left needs a radical protest movement that can be taken seriously, not one that is only marginally less stupid than the Tea Party.

I can't see hipsters becoming a focal point for right-wing cultural resentment any time soon -- too many hipsters are libertarians and the right already has enough trouble getting young people to vote Republican.

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« Reply #1314 on: September 19, 2011, 02:38:48 PM »
The left needs a radical protest movement that can be taken seriously, not one that is only marginally less stupid than the Tea Party.


At the time, it seemed like that radical protest movement from the left was Obama's campaign and election. But, just like all movements, most people dropped out after the election was won.

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« Reply #1315 on: September 19, 2011, 03:56:32 PM »
Quote
Doing pilates while wearing a V for Vendetta mask might not be as dumb as wearing a tri-corn hat and waving around a bell, but it's still pretty dumb.
The former is pure nonsense look-at-me theater but the latter is at the very least a (however disingenuous) nod to a pivotal moment in US history. I never thought I'd say this, but... advantage Tea Party?

Also, this guy -

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« Reply #1316 on: September 19, 2011, 03:57:25 PM »
At least this guy has the right idea -


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« Reply #1317 on: September 19, 2011, 04:23:13 PM »
Nobody remarked on my clever reference to yoga... sniff.  Although that seems more like a yuppie thing than a hipster thing.  It still ranks among things Regular America Doesn't Understand.


Stupe, I don't think you need to worry.  The anti-hipster sentiment is clearly native to - and restricted to - failed-potential hipsters who either consciously rejected the idea of hipsterdom or were rejected by a hipster girl at some point.  Or both. 

Regular America runs in fear from tall bikes and tight, stripey pants.  Because the hipsters' politics are so incomprehensible, I don't think smacking them around is ever going to be seen as a winning play.

I really don't appreciate your sarcastic, anti-comedy tone, Bro!

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« Reply #1318 on: September 19, 2011, 05:46:26 PM »
Stupe, I don't think you need to worry.  The anti-hipster sentiment is clearly native to - and restricted to - failed-potential hipsters who either consciously rejected the idea of hipsterdom or were rejected by a hipster girl at some point.  Or both. 

Regular America runs in fear from tall bikes and tight, stripey pants.  Because the hipsters' politics are so incomprehensible, I don't think smacking them around is ever going to be seen as a winning play.

I'd like to think so, but I don't know. To us, it's goofing on tall bikes and '70s relief pitcher facial hair, but in the "outside" world I've seen the same kind of eye-rolling directed at anyone who likes anything even remotely obscure. Sort of like how "emo" somehow turned into into "anyone who ever feels bad". Hang around any website largely populated by twentysomethings who go for the cheap laugh, whether they're New York snark-bloggers or mid-American "geek culture" Reddit-baiters, and you'll see "it's real obscure, you probably haven't heard of it" as an easy go-to punchline more often than you could imagine. It's pretty easy to see how the 20-something conservatarian geek crowd could pick up that ball and run with it politically -- case in point.
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« Reply #1319 on: September 19, 2011, 06:13:14 PM »
“Islamic terrorists wouldn’t want to kill us if we just left them alone and stopped being so arrogant....We don’t own the world!”


I am a hipster.
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