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« Reply #2310 on: November 11, 2012, 04:10:52 PM »
Agreed.  First thought: Fucking inspired!  Second thought: Too good to be true?  But I'll definitely be watching.
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« Reply #2311 on: November 11, 2012, 05:01:26 PM »
Here's the benefit info:





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« Reply #2312 on: November 13, 2012, 08:10:38 AM »
Cavorting, I understand your argument. I understood it the first time too. I don't understand how your condescending tone makes it any stronger, but I am sincerely sorry I suggested you were being kind of a dick. It was honestly intended more as a punchline than as an insult.

Still, Obama got 60193076 votes (obviously that's slightly off due to early votes not yet counted, but close enough to make the point) out of 117661663 total votes cast. That's good for 51.1577641% of the vote. Without your vote he would have received only 51.1577637% of the vote. So you're right, your vote did make a difference. .00000000415107% of a difference. That suggests that if we observe 240,901,470 elections over the next 963,605,880 years, your vote might be the one.

If only I had voted for Obama, I could have made .00000000415107% of a difference too! I am quite convinced that although both of our votes are insignificant and meaningless, some third rate pundit somewhere on some two-bit cable access political analysis show is a LITTLE (and I mean LITTLE) more likely to notice that Jill Stein got 400,000 votes than they are to notice that Obama's vote percentage is .00000000415107% higher. But I could be wrong, and doesn't matter anyway, no matter which of us is ahead in the I AM A RAD, PRINCIPLED DUDE sweepstakes.

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« Reply #2313 on: November 13, 2012, 02:18:29 PM »
So since Papa John is saying that he will cut the hours of workers so that he doesn't have to provide health care to them, should we assume that sick people will be making their pizzas?

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« Reply #2314 on: November 13, 2012, 02:26:07 PM »
So since Papa John is saying that he will cut the hours of workers so that he doesn't have to provide health care to them, should we assume that sick people will be making their pizzas?
They should be fine as long as they're not eating any of the stuff they're making.

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« Reply #2315 on: November 13, 2012, 04:33:05 PM »
Cavorting, I understand your argument. I understood it the first time too. I don't understand how your condescending tone makes it any stronger, but I am sincerely sorry I suggested you were being kind of a dick. It was honestly intended more as a punchline than as an insult.

Still, Obama got 60193076 votes (obviously that's slightly off due to early votes not yet counted, but close enough to make the point) out of 117661663 total votes cast. That's good for 51.1577641% of the vote. Without your vote he would have received only 51.1577637% of the vote. So you're right, your vote did make a difference. .00000000415107% of a difference. That suggests that if we observe 240,901,470 elections over the next 963,605,880 years, your vote might be the one.

If only I had voted for Obama, I could have made .00000000415107% of a difference too! I am quite convinced that although both of our votes are insignificant and meaningless, some third rate pundit somewhere on some two-bit cable access political analysis show is a LITTLE (and I mean LITTLE) more likely to notice that Jill Stein got 400,000 votes than they are to notice that Obama's vote percentage is .00000000415107% higher. But I could be wrong, and doesn't matter anyway, no matter which of us is ahead in the I AM A RAD, PRINCIPLED DUDE sweepstakes.

The Gary Johnson fans actually made a big deal that they got close to 1% of the popular vote. So yeah, psychological benchmarks are easier to meet by third party candidates.

Also, dave from knoxville, Nate Silver, and all those other math guys restore my faith in humanity that punditry had severely drained.
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« Reply #2316 on: November 13, 2012, 04:56:04 PM »
The thing is, every pundit, no matter how wrong, will probably continue to have a TV show, or radio show, or whatever, right? Even Karl Rove will live to fleece some other suckers.

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« Reply #2317 on: November 13, 2012, 08:59:45 PM »
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And while it is hard to conceive of a cause more just than the defeat of the Third Reich and the Axis powers, World War II was a conflict in which the total number of civilians who died exceeded the number of soldiers who perished.

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« Reply #2318 on: November 15, 2012, 01:40:56 PM »
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« Reply #2319 on: November 19, 2012, 04:59:44 PM »
Hi Everybody!,
   
   I haven't logged onto the FOT since October. My mom gave birth to a healthy baby boy (named Mathew) and things have been kind of crazy. It was very fun reading all the posts that I had missed!
   I'm 18, so this is the first time I ever voted, and I voted for Jill Stein. Ever since I became interested in politics ( some four odd years ago) I have vacillated on a lot of issues, mostly cause of the influence of family members. I hadn't  really became my own person until about a year ago.
   Despite this, I've always had a deep distrust of of the two party system. I feel both parties are corrupt and owned by companies that manipulate our government to improve their bottom line. However, I do feel that the Democratic party has some honest people who are doing the work of the people. If I lived in Massachusetts, I would of eagerly voted for Warren. But people like her are becoming fewer and far between.
   I voted for Jill Stein (the only green party candidate on the ballot), and every Libertarian candidate.
    Some people would say that I wasted my vote because these people were not going to win. But my job as a citizen of a democracy is NOT to vote for the candidate with the best chance of winning. It's to make my opinion heard, it's to vote for the person with the closest views as mine, it's to vote for the person who I honestly think would do the best job.
   If I voted for Obama, I would of been voting for a lesser of two evils, but that's still voting for evil. With four more years of Obama, the things that are killing our country: the military industrial complex, the war on drugs, the implementation of regulations that favor big corporations and hurt small business, weak regulations for wall street, will continue.
   Did anybody here watch the Third party debate on C-span? THAT  was a real debate. They talked about real issues like climate change, wall street, the war on drugs, poverty, and drone strikes. Obama did not mention Climate change ONCE in all three debates. That fake puke fest that we call a debate between Romney and Obama made me sick.
    We love to talk about how Romney gets money and support from big companies, but Obama got money from Goldmen Sachs, GE etc... These companies want to make a profit, and they know they'll get a return on their money with Obama in office.
   I voted in SUPPORT  of the things that are important to me, and my voice was heard. And it will be heard the next time I vote for a third party candidate.  If that makes me an idealistic, pie in the sky crazy, than that's what I am.

 And I'm proud of it.   
 
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« Reply #2320 on: November 20, 2012, 07:39:22 PM »

   I voted in SUPPORT  of the things that are important to me, and my voice was heard. And it will be heard the next time I vote for a third party candidate.  If that makes me an idealistic, pie in the sky crazy, than that's what I am.

 And I'm proud of it.   

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« Reply #2321 on: November 22, 2012, 01:33:35 AM »
Hi Everybody!,
   
   I haven't logged onto the FOT since October. My mom gave birth to a healthy baby boy (named Mathew) and things have been kind of crazy. It was very fun reading all the posts that I had missed!
   I'm 18, so this is the first time I ever voted, and I voted for Jill Stein. Ever since I became interested in politics ( some four odd years ago) I have vacillated on a lot of issues, mostly cause of the influence of family members. I hadn't  really became my own person until about a year ago.
   Despite this, I've always had a deep distrust of of the two party system. I feel both parties are corrupt and owned by companies that manipulate our government to improve their bottom line. However, I do feel that the Democratic party has some honest people who are doing the work of the people. If I lived in Massachusetts, I would of eagerly voted for Warren. But people like her are becoming fewer and far between.
   I voted for Jill Stein (the only green party candidate on the ballot), and every Libertarian candidate.
    Some people would say that I wasted my vote because these people were not going to win. But my job as a citizen of a democracy is NOT to vote for the candidate with the best chance of winning. It's to make my opinion heard, it's to vote for the person with the closest views as mine, it's to vote for the person who I honestly think would do the best job.
   If I voted for Obama, I would of been voting for a lesser of two evils, but that's still voting for evil. With four more years of Obama, the things that are killing our country: the military industrial complex, the war on drugs, the implementation of regulations that favor big corporations and hurt small business, weak regulations for wall street, will continue.
   Did anybody here watch the Third party debate on C-span? THAT  was a real debate. They talked about real issues like climate change, wall street, the war on drugs, poverty, and drone strikes. Obama did not mention Climate change ONCE in all three debates. That fake puke fest that we call a debate between Romney and Obama made me sick.
    We love to talk about how Romney gets money and support from big companies, but Obama got money from Goldmen Sachs, GE etc... These companies want to make a profit, and they know they'll get a return on their money with Obama in office.
   I voted in SUPPORT  of the things that are important to me, and my voice was heard. And it will be heard the next time I vote for a third party candidate.  If that makes me an idealistic, pie in the sky crazy, than that's what I am.

 And I'm proud of it.   

I'm confused.  Are you proud of the libertarian votes, or the green vote? What is it that you want to happen?

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« Reply #2322 on: November 26, 2012, 10:10:35 AM »
Hi Everybody!,
   
   I haven't logged onto the FOT since October. My mom gave birth to a healthy baby boy (named Mathew) and things have been kind of crazy. It was very fun reading all the posts that I had missed!
   I'm 18, so this is the first time I ever voted, and I voted for Jill Stein. Ever since I became interested in politics ( some four odd years ago) I have vacillated on a lot of issues, mostly cause of the influence of family members. I hadn't  really became my own person until about a year ago.
   Despite this, I've always had a deep distrust of of the two party system. I feel both parties are corrupt and owned by companies that manipulate our government to improve their bottom line. However, I do feel that the Democratic party has some honest people who are doing the work of the people. If I lived in Massachusetts, I would of eagerly voted for Warren. But people like her are becoming fewer and far between.
   I voted for Jill Stein (the only green party candidate on the ballot), and every Libertarian candidate.
    Some people would say that I wasted my vote because these people were not going to win. But my job as a citizen of a democracy is NOT to vote for the candidate with the best chance of winning. It's to make my opinion heard, it's to vote for the person with the closest views as mine, it's to vote for the person who I honestly think would do the best job.
   If I voted for Obama, I would of been voting for a lesser of two evils, but that's still voting for evil. With four more years of Obama, the things that are killing our country: the military industrial complex, the war on drugs, the implementation of regulations that favor big corporations and hurt small business, weak regulations for wall street, will continue.
   Did anybody here watch the Third party debate on C-span? THAT  was a real debate. They talked about real issues like climate change, wall street, the war on drugs, poverty, and drone strikes. Obama did not mention Climate change ONCE in all three debates. That fake puke fest that we call a debate between Romney and Obama made me sick.
    We love to talk about how Romney gets money and support from big companies, but Obama got money from Goldmen Sachs, GE etc... These companies want to make a profit, and they know they'll get a return on their money with Obama in office.
   I voted in SUPPORT  of the things that are important to me, and my voice was heard. And it will be heard the next time I vote for a third party candidate.  If that makes me an idealistic, pie in the sky crazy, than that's what I am.

 And I'm proud of it.   


very interesting take. off topic but do you have any thoughts about organized religion?
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« Reply #2323 on: November 26, 2012, 12:08:59 PM »
my job as a citizen of a democracy is ...to make my opinion heard, it's to vote for the person with the closest views as mine

That's one way to look at it, but not the only one. Some might say you have a deeper obligation to use your vote in the maximally effective way to benefit your community given the prevailing realities than to use your vote as a form of personal expression.

it's to vote for the person who I honestly think would do the best job.

I really think you may not have thought this through. President Jill Stein would have a constituency in the Congress of precisely zero. The Democrats there would probably cooperate with her where their interests overlapped, but would have no incentive whatever to put themselves out for her to succeed. If you think these are the circumstances under which a president can do an effective job, you must think she has despotic powers or is a magician. You do realize that presidents don't make laws and don't pass budgets, right?
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« Reply #2324 on: November 26, 2012, 03:53:35 PM »
Hi everybody,

  I hope everyone had a wonderful and blessed thanksgiving weekend. I stuffed myself with Tofurky and cranberry jelly. In the words of the great Rachel Ray "Yum-O"!
   I was really surprised how many people were moved enough to respond to my post. Thanks

    OK, in JamesfromSouthEastPa's perfect, hypothetical, crazy world.... Political parties would not exist. A political party is an organized force whose only purpose is to obtain and maintain power at any means necessary.   A parties primary agenda is never to do what's best for the people, it's to do what gives them the best odds of getting reelected. We should be voting for individuals, not because somebody has a little R or a little D next to their name. My Grandmom tells me proudly that she's voted straight Republican for the past 30 years. Republicans and Democrats love to tell us how differint they are, but they whole heartedly agree that there should be no competition on the duopoly they have over our government. The debates used to be run by the "League of Women Voters" until it was taken by the Reps and Dems, now they've made it virtually impossible for an independent candidate to get into the debates.

  However, when I go to my local polling place, am I to go past the perfectly good Green/ Libertarian/ Justice party candidate? Who am I sopposed to write in to show my distaste for political parties? Alfred E. Newman? In an attempt to be a realist, I've accepted that we're never going to abolish parties. But it is not healthy for a Democracy to have parties that never die. They need to come and go like the changing of the seasons.

    I would LOVE for the Republicans and Democrats to be replaced by the Greens and the Libertarians. They are the only ones who MIGHT implement real campaign finance reform. At the end of the day, money is the reason for all of our countires problems. The military industrial complex, tax loop holes etc... The Reps and Dems are owned by companies that want to make a profit. We need to get money out of government, and expecting out current parties to do it is like asking the fox to design the chicken coop. If not this, than I want to have a much stricter definition of a monopoly. If a company is big enough to have a larger influence over our government than an individual, than it's too big. Break it up. But eventually, if the Greens or Libertarians did get power, they would become corrupted just like our current parties ( if they hadn't passed massive campaign finance reform). They would become calcified and corrupted and should die and be replaced just like our current parties.

   I admit that if Jill Stein won, there would be friction, and business wouldn't get done. But what is happening now? Our credit rating was lowered because of partisan gridlock. If Stein was elected, at least we would of had a REAL progressive voice speaking her truth too America for four years. She would of had the milk box of the white house to speak about objective issues because she's not getting money from special interests. Oh my GOD, could you imagine what her State of the Union Address would of been like? I would of had an intellectual mind orgasm watching that. The fluff speches that Obama and members of both parties give have devolved into demagoguery about small side issues that do NOTHING but distract Americans from the massive problems that both parties have caused.
 
   I understand that EVERYTHING I just wrote is highly unlikely,( VERY RAMBELING!) and probably isn't going to happen.
   But when I say I'm proud, I mean I'm proud to be, at the very least, trying to create an America that I want to live in.
  There's no doubt that I use voting as a form of personal expression. I have nothing but respect for other people who vote differently. And maybe I'll change my mind one day and vote differently. But if I had voted for Obama, I wouldn't of been happy with myself.

Man, I hope something I wrote here made any sense.

   

 
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