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Re: Theologicamol Questions
« Reply #75 on: March 29, 2009, 11:03:32 PM »
Dear Pastor Josh,

I want to thank you for providing this service.

Here's my question. How large was the ark?

If I am allowed a follow-up, where did those hard-working friends and sons of Noah find polar bears and penguins?

A dingo ate my version of the biblical flood,

dfk

This might be better suited for the unfunny/snark page.  Come on, Dave.  I hope you're better than that.  You're probably not though.

That sounded rude, I apologize - I just enjoyed the friendly exchange of ideas that had occured before.  Shame on me.

You do realize you're fighting the powers of snark with more snark, don't you?

Eye for an eye, you say? That is so fucking old testament. Get with the times.

Yep.  So?

Eye for an eye?  I never said that, you did.  Why are you so angry over a harmless post?
Sounds like someone was working as a conduit for nature's natural vengeance.  Just like Jesus.  And some of the others.

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Re: Theologicamol Questions
« Reply #76 on: March 29, 2009, 11:52:54 PM »
Numma wun:  I am a United Methodist.  One of our strengths is that there is a wide range of theologies in our denomintaion.  One of our weaknesses is that there is a wide range of theologies in our denomintaion.  Many UM Churches are progressive, but many aren't.  If you're really interested in finding a modern church, you might just have to check a few out.  Where are you from?  Your region might help.  For instance, if you're in Rhode Island, you might actually want to check out Baptist churches.  If you're in Arkansas, avoid even Methodists, for the most part.  We can talk more about what might suit your needs in your area.  Liberal Chirstianity can be found in any denomination, from Roman Catholic to Southern Baptist, depending on what's nearby.

Numba do:  Awesome question, which I'm not sure I completely understand.  However, I think story is the core of our theology.  I might quibble with your suggestion that Jesus was into allegory (parable is hugely different), but I think our faith is found in story, mainly because the stories we create with our lives are how we incorporate ourselves into the biblical story of God's work with humanity.

Numero tres:  Say whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?  I hate to say it, but I don't know who those are.  Help me out, bro.  I could google them, but since I don't them, even Google couldn't help me answer.

Please, as always, ask me any follow up questions you want, especailly with #2, which I don't feel like I aswered well.  And, of course, thaks for the questions.

To get this thread back on track...

In response to your response to my second question:
I agree with and appreciate your response.  I think you understand what I'm saying.  I guess my point is that I don't think "narrative" gets enough credit in religious thought.  And I think that the reason Christianity has such an impact on people is because it's based on a great narrative (this, of course, applies to many religions).  Oh, and I meant parable, not allegory.  I still get those two confused.

Danielson is an indie-rock band heavily influenced by Christianity.  Their entire aesthetic, in fact, is based on Christian imagery and belief.  They are also fans of the Best Show and have appeared on the show several times.  It may be presumptuous to think you would be into this sort of thing, but even if you don't like the music, I think their story is relevant to your type of faith.  If you're interested, a great place to start is the documentary Danielson: A Family Movie (or, Make a Joyful Noise Here).  It's really great.  Here is the trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5r8-qk30DM

And here is the music video for "Did I Step On Your Trumpet?":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRmkosOzQH8

Page France are another indie rock band with lyrics influenced by Christian imagery, although not as intensely as Danielson.

I think why I brought up these bands though, is because they've been utterly rejected by the mainstream Christian rock audience (which, to me, says a lot about mainstream American Christianity).  In a lot of ways, their faith seems so much more in line with the type of Christianity you seem to adhere to.  And that is probably why they've found success with a presumably secular audience.

Anyway, Pastor Josh, you're a great addition to the FOT board and I've enjoyed your few calls to the show so far.

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Re: Theologicamol Questions
« Reply #77 on: March 29, 2009, 11:54:43 PM »



Yep.  So?

Eye for an eye?  I never said that, you did.  Why are you so angry over a harmless post?

Oh I'm not angry just giving you a hard time.
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Re: Theologicamol Questions
« Reply #78 on: March 30, 2009, 12:08:25 AM »
You people won't let this thread ruin Danielson for me, I'm serious.

Sorrrrrrrrrrrry.

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Re: Theologicamol Questions
« Reply #79 on: March 30, 2009, 12:29:20 AM »
I tease, I've only heard one album of theirs. 

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Re: Theologicamol Questions
« Reply #80 on: March 30, 2009, 12:31:24 AM »
i just wanted to say i like you pastor josh. your answers have all been enlightening and thought provoking. also you're extremely polite.

when i think of another question (ben beat me to my gnostism one) i'll ask it.

and to all the haters, fuck off.
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Re: Theologicamol Questions
« Reply #81 on: March 30, 2009, 12:35:28 AM »

I could have easily been lured to church by her.

EDIT: 'By', not 'with.' That makes more sense, I think.

ben

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Re: Theologicamol Questions
« Reply #82 on: March 30, 2009, 01:59:05 AM »



Yep.  So?

Eye for an eye?  I never said that, you did.  Why are you so angry over a harmless post?

Oh I'm not angry just giving you a hard time.

I'm really sorry too.  Sorry to everyone.  REALLY.  And sorry most to you and Dave.  Sorry Dave.  I was just being a jerk.
Sounds like someone was working as a conduit for nature's natural vengeance.  Just like Jesus.  And some of the others.

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Re: Theologicamol Questions
« Reply #83 on: March 30, 2009, 08:50:46 AM »
you might want to look into humanism or something

Isn't that what's printed on Madison, Wisconsin's official letterhead?

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Re: Theologicamol Questions
« Reply #84 on: March 30, 2009, 09:25:28 AM »
you might want to look into humanism or something

Isn't that what's printed on Madison, Wisconsin's official letterhead?

There's also an archway as you're entering the city that pre-emptively states: "Sorry to everyone. REALLY."

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Re: Theologicamol Questions
« Reply #85 on: March 30, 2009, 09:26:24 AM »
I'm angry.










It has nothing to do with this thread, but I definitely am angry.
I really don't appreciate your sarcastic, anti-comedy tone, Bro!

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Re: Theologicamol Questions
« Reply #86 on: March 30, 2009, 09:32:36 AM »
Are you shaking your fist at the heavens?
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Pastor Josh

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Re: Theologicamol Questions
« Reply #87 on: March 30, 2009, 11:58:52 AM »
Numma wun:  I am a United Methodist.  One of our strengths is that there is a wide range of theologies in our denomintaion.  One of our weaknesses is that there is a wide range of theologies in our denomintaion.  Many UM Churches are progressive, but many aren't.  If you're really interested in finding a modern church, you might just have to check a few out.  Where are you from?  Your region might help.  For instance, if you're in Rhode Island, you might actually want to check out Baptist churches.  If you're in Arkansas, avoid even Methodists, for the most part.  We can talk more about what might suit your needs in your area.  Liberal Chirstianity can be found in any denomination, from Roman Catholic to Southern Baptist, depending on what's nearby.

Numba do:  Awesome question, which I'm not sure I completely understand.  However, I think story is the core of our theology.  I might quibble with your suggestion that Jesus was into allegory (parable is hugely different), but I think our faith is found in story, mainly because the stories we create with our lives are how we incorporate ourselves into the biblical story of God's work with humanity.

Numero tres:  Say whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?  I hate to say it, but I don't know who those are.  Help me out, bro.  I could google them, but since I don't them, even Google couldn't help me answer.

Please, as always, ask me any follow up questions you want, especailly with #2, which I don't feel like I aswered well.  And, of course, thaks for the questions.

To get this thread back on track...

In response to your response to my second question:
I agree with and appreciate your response.  I think you understand what I'm saying.  I guess my point is that I don't think "narrative" gets enough credit in religious thought.  And I think that the reason Christianity has such an impact on people is because it's based on a great narrative (this, of course, applies to many religions).  Oh, and I meant parable, not allegory.  I still get those two confused.

Danielson is an indie-rock band heavily influenced by Christianity.  Their entire aesthetic, in fact, is based on Christian imagery and belief.  They are also fans of the Best Show and have appeared on the show several times.  It may be presumptuous to think you would be into this sort of thing, but even if you don't like the music, I think their story is relevant to your type of faith.  If you're interested, a great place to start is the documentary Danielson: A Family Movie (or, Make a Joyful Noise Here).  It's really great.  Here is the trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5r8-qk30DM

And here is the music video for "Did I Step On Your Trumpet?":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRmkosOzQH8

Page France are another indie rock band with lyrics influenced by Christian imagery, although not as intensely as Danielson.

I think why I brought up these bands though, is because they've been utterly rejected by the mainstream Christian rock audience (which, to me, says a lot about mainstream American Christianity).  In a lot of ways, their faith seems so much more in line with the type of Christianity you seem to adhere to.  And that is probably why they've found success with a presumably secular audience.

Anyway, Pastor Josh, you're a great addition to the FOT board and I've enjoyed your few calls to the show so far.


Thanks.  I intend to keep calling until Tom tells me to stop.  Maybe I can do a "This Week in God" type segment.

I agree about narrative.  Check out Meeting Jesus Again for the First Time, which I mentioned earlier, which has a wonderful section on story theology.  There's a real movement among some contemporary preachers to recapture story.

I really like the Danielson song you posted, and I moved the movie to the top of my Netflix queue.  I love good indie rock documentaries, anyway.  I googled them, and I saw Sufjan Stevens sings with them sometimes.  He's my favorite CHristian musician right now, so that's a great endorsement.  I'll check out Page France.  I also like Grace Potter and the Nocturnals, who, in addition to some wonderfully spiritual songs, have a great one about fingerbanging.  I hate most contemporary Christian music.  It's so boring and backward.  And, as we all know, it's still run by Satan: http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0034/0034_01.asp
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Re: Theologicamol Questions
« Reply #88 on: March 30, 2009, 11:59:29 AM »
you might want to look into humanism or something

Isn't that what's printed on Madison, Wisconsin's official letterhead?

I spit orange juice all over my screen.  Thank you.
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dave from knoxville

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Re: Theologicamol Questions
« Reply #89 on: March 30, 2009, 03:12:56 PM »



Yep.  So?

Eye for an eye?  I never said that, you did.  Why are you so angry over a harmless post?

Oh I'm not angry just giving you a hard time.

I'm really sorry too.  Sorry to everyone.  REALLY.  And sorry most to you and Dave.  Sorry Dave.  I was just being a jerk.

And I am sorry if my response was too snippy. It's been a tough month (and I am almost at the end of being able to use that as an excuse any more, so something tragic's probably about to happen to me.)

I will say that I find Pastor Josh's response to me to err slightly on the side of dismissiveness; I am faced with a youth leader who wants to take MY CHILDREN to the creation museum in Kentucky, because he believes the Adam and Eve stories, and the flood story to be LITERALLY TRUE. It probably drives me as crazy as random capitalization probably drives OTHER people crazy.

In other words, people in positions of authority in my church use crazy backwards approaches to biblical inerrancy to defend their actions. I need help in addressing these folks without seeming all condescending about it, so even though Pastor Josh told me these are the "wrong questions", they are answers I could sincerely use help with.

Anyways, Ben, you're great, you keep doing what you're doing. Pastor Josh, I am thrilled that you are here and that you engage openly with people from backgrounds different from your own. I got my first kiss, at age 4, in a performance of the Night Before Christmas in the basement of a United Methodist Church, one of my many fond memories.