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Re: Theologicamol Questions
« Reply #195 on: April 20, 2009, 12:23:58 AM »
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I have heard of her, but only the bare outlines of her story.  I can't see how you could be both a Christian and a Muslim.  Christians hold Jesus to be the ultimate revelation of God's intentions for us, and Muslims hold the Qua'ran.  The two aren't compatible, as far as I can see.  You can't be a Muslim and sonfess Jesus as Lord, and you can't be an Episcopal priest and not proclaim Jesus as Lord.  I'm not meaning to suggest that one statement is true and the other is false, although my opinion is probably obvious.  However, they aren't compatible.  I always get a little suspicious of people who make extreme gestures like her, though.

That's just what I was thinking as well.  She tried to explain that the Qur'an acknowledges the uniqueness of Jesus, but that doesn't do much to resolve the issue.  And your instincts are right on the money.  I would have been able to take her sermon a little more seriously if the service wasn't going to be followed by a book signing.

Good point.  I'm hardly a scholar, but I think the Qur'an (and thanks for gracefully correcting my spelling) acknowledges Jesus as a great prophet, which is very different than most Christians would affirm.  Even historical Jesus types, who often see Jesus only as a great prophet (i.e.,  not divine or in any literal sense the son of God) still would affirm their Christianity by saying that Mohammad, himself a great teacher and prophet, was not the source of God's final revelation.  My understanding is that Islam has a completedness to it that is not a part of Christianity.
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Re: Theologicamol Questions
« Reply #196 on: April 20, 2009, 12:35:49 AM »
There are tons of people, I'm sure many who post on this board, who believe that all religious texts are basically telling the same story and that all gods are one in the same. So, a pastor who is a Christian and Muslim isn't that crazy to me and I'm actually kind of amazed that there isn't a church with a large following that combines all of the elements of the major religions.

This is something one hears a lot, and I don't know quite what to make of it.  Can you say more?  From what little study I've had of world religions, they most definitely do not teach basically the same thing or acknowledge the same God.  As I said earlier, Islam and Christianity disagree on the fullest revelation of God.  One cannot be a Muslim and a Christian, although one can be a Christian and respect Mohammed or a Muslim and respect Jesus.  The Abrahammic religions focus on being who God creates us to be, both in this life and the next, whereas most Eastern religions look to the negation, not the actualization, of the self as the ultimate goal.  Buddhism affirms that all existence is suffering and we can only cease suffering but ceasing to want, which will allow us to cease to exist.  Christianity teaches, at its best, that Creation is a gift that we should celebrate and live fully into, knowing that we will experience both pain and ectasy, but that both are part of being human.  Although it's often said, it simply isn't true that all major religions boil down to being excellent to each other.  Treating another well is not sufficient in Christianity.  We must love our neighbors, so it about our internal state as much as our ethics.  In Islam, according to my limited understanding of it, again ethics are secondary to right relationship with God as taught by the Qur'an.   Maybe being decent to others is a common denominator, but it is a very low one.  Distilling any of the world religions down to that robs them of their theological complexities and turns them into something that they really aren't.  While the Buddha and Socrates might inform the way I live as a Christian, they do not share my worldview or my basic beliefs.  
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Re: Theologicamol Questions
« Reply #197 on: April 20, 2009, 12:45:19 AM »
I totally agree so I can't say more. It's just a common idea that I hear a lot but it doesn't make sense to me either. I think I'm like most Christians (or anybody of any faith for that matter) in the fact that I struggle with the thought that my religion is one of many, and with that comes doubt. But, I don't think that it is possible for all gods to be the same from what I've studied. There may be similarities but there are far too many differences too be compatible.

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« Reply #198 on: April 20, 2009, 12:40:21 PM »
I'm Mormon so I'm curious what you've taught, studied believe about them.  It's ironic to me that a lot of "traditional" Christian churches would say mormonism is way off and yet my beliefs about God and Christ seem much more "orthodox" than yours.
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I'm Mormon so I'm curious what you've taught, studied believe about them.  It's ironic to me that a lot of "traditional" Christian churches would say mormonism is way off and yet my beliefs about God and Christ seem much more "orthodox" than yours.

I really don't know much about Mormonism, but orthodoxy is in the eye of the beholder.  In what way are your beliefs more orthodox than mine?
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Re: Theologicamol Questions
« Reply #200 on: April 20, 2009, 08:18:33 PM »
Is there a sect of Christianity that believes that Mary was literally impregnated by an alien (angel) and Jesus is a hybrid?

I used to have conversations like that all the time in high school.

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I really don't know much about Mormonism, but orthodoxy is in the eye of the beholder.  In what way are your beliefs more orthodox than mine?

Mormons believe that Jesus rose again on the third day - with all of the implications that that comes with.


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Re: Theologicamol Questions
« Reply #202 on: April 21, 2009, 01:10:24 PM »
Is there a sect of Christianity that believes that Mary was literally impregnated by an alien (angel) and Jesus is a hybrid?

I used to have conversations like that all the time in high school.

I doubt the alien part, but who knows?  There are a lot of sects with beliefs we'd find unusual out there.
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I really don't know much about Mormonism, but orthodoxy is in the eye of the beholder.  In what way are your beliefs more orthodox than mine?

Mormons believe that Jesus rose again on the third day - with all of the implications that that comes with.




Not to be rude, but that isn't a particularly helpful answer.  Maybe you could specify some of the implications?  I believe Jesus rose on what we would call the second day (Romans measured time inclusively, appartently), the Sunday following the Friday of crucifixion, and that has a lot of implications.  What specifically do you mean, and how are your beliefs more orthodox than mine?
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Re: Theologicamol Questions
« Reply #204 on: April 21, 2009, 02:44:20 PM »
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« Reply #205 on: April 21, 2009, 03:29:38 PM »
It's Orthodox-Off 2009! I simply can't wait to find out whose orthodoxy is bigger!
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Re: Theologicamol Questions
« Reply #206 on: April 21, 2009, 03:33:12 PM »
It's Orthodox-Off 2009! I simply can't wait to find out whose orthodoxy is bigger!
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Re: Theologicamol Questions
« Reply #207 on: April 21, 2009, 04:57:14 PM »
It's Orthodox-Off 2009! I simply can't wait to find out whose orthodoxy is bigger!
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Re: Theologicamol Questions
« Reply #208 on: April 21, 2009, 05:32:23 PM »
It's Orthodox-Off 2009! I simply can't wait to find out whose orthodoxy is bigger!
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Re: Theologicamol Questions
« Reply #209 on: April 21, 2009, 05:40:01 PM »
ok, you go back in time and take a swab out of historical jesus' inner cheek. you travel back to our time and perform a paternity test on the dna. the dad is totally Joseph, right?



Well, short answer=yes.  An angel didn't diddle Mary.  However, that question totally misses the point.  I mean, it's entirely possible that Jesus didn't actually exist, but, as far as I'm concerned, that wouldn't change anything.  Calling someone "son of God" is a confessional claim, not a factual, and it wasn't until Greek thinking got all mixed up in this that we started worrying about all this crap.  "Jesus is the (or, according to Mark, a) Son of God" means that Jesus is like God, and God is like Jesus.  Basically, they're in the same business.  Of course, a lot of well-meaning Christians would consider me terribly heretical for saying that, or, for that matter, half the stuff I've already posted.  I generally assume I'm wrong about these things unless proved otherwise.

I am referring to this bit. Now without going into the angel / Mary bit, Mormons believe Jesus was/is a "supernatural" being (God) and being able to raise people from the dead and raise himself from the dead was/is a big part of that.

Obviously, orthodoxy is relative, and of course, orthodoxy doesn't mean "better."
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