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Re: 2009 MLB Thread
« Reply #480 on: July 24, 2009, 10:59:13 PM »
Kazmir would be best served coming out of the bullpen as a late innings pitcher, a la Billy Wagner. In fact, Wagner is a close analogue to Kazmir because both have smallish frames and live arms.

Then again, you could say the same about Johan Santana.

Kazmir has a lot more wear and tear on his arm than Johan did at the same age. The Rays overused him (he threw nearly 200 innings as a 20 year old). Plus, he probably could have used another year or two in the minors to refine some of his secondary stuff.

That being said, I still think that Kazmir has a ton of upside and if the Mets wanted to trade for him, I'd be all for it.
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« Reply #481 on: July 25, 2009, 03:18:27 AM »
I don't like this trade for the Cardinals. Brett Wallace is one of the best pure hitting prospects in the game right now. He could have been their starter at third base for the next five years and he would have been cost-controlled. I don't like trading a player with that much upside for a rental. Holliday, a Scott Boras client, will most certainly test the free agent waters at the conclusion of the season. Moreover, Holliday's just not that great a hitter away from Coors Field, having a sub .800 OPS away from there. He may improve their lineup for the rest of the season, but I don't like the long-term implications of this deal for the Cards. It's an awful lot to give up for a player that is not guaranteed to make the Cardinals any better than the third best team in the NL.

Yea, someone texted me about this today and I was stoked. Then I found out it was for Wallace and I was not. He was pretty much their top prospect and as I believe I've stated earlier, I would have liked to have them give him a try this year at some point with the offensive tear he's been on all season.  But, at the same time, the Cardinals aren't exactly dynasty builders if you look at what they did in '07.

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« Reply #482 on: July 26, 2009, 12:42:55 AM »
I like the trade for the Cards because I think Holliday will stay in St. Louis. If you can get an established star for a top prospect and you think you have a good shot of retaining him, I say you do the deal every time. If he's walking for sure after the end of the season then it's a bad trade, but now the Cards have somebody to hit behind Pujols for years as long as they lock him up. I'd rather take the chance on established stars signing in a baseball town than putting my hopes on prospects. They could have waited for free agency but I think getting a player into the system and giving him a feel about what your team is about gives a team a leg up once free agency begins. Especially in St. Louis.

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« Reply #483 on: July 26, 2009, 12:49:40 AM »
I like the trade for the Cards because I think Holliday will stay in St. Louis. If you can get an established star for a top prospect and you think you have a good shot of retaining him, I say you do the deal every time. If he's walking for sure after the end of the season then it's a bad trade, but now the Cards have somebody to hit behind Pujols for years as long as they lock him up. I'd rather take the chance on established stars signing in a baseball town than putting my hopes on prospects. They could have waited for free agency but I think getting a player into the system and giving him a feel about what your team is about gives a team a leg up once free agency begins. Especially in St. Louis.

Well if Holliday leaves, they should at least get 2 draft picks out of it.  I agree with your point though, mostly because I have suffered through far too many failed Cubs prospects, especially in CF.

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« Reply #484 on: July 26, 2009, 03:22:35 AM »
That's why I think Cashman is the worst GM out there. He's tried to run the team with the most cash out there like a small market club when it comes to trades. If you have all the cash in the world and the league doesn't limit how much you can spend, trade those prospects away for established players. I don't hate the Yankees, I hate Selig and the players union for allowing big market teams to be able to do what they do. Cashman has the easiest job in the world and he's making it into the most difficult.

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« Reply #485 on: July 26, 2009, 09:58:20 PM »

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« Reply #486 on: July 26, 2009, 10:23:42 PM »
Ha!! Roy messing with nem Cards with the laser beans.

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« Reply #487 on: July 26, 2009, 10:55:19 PM »
fuckin' Roy.
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« Reply #488 on: July 27, 2009, 09:30:03 AM »
Ha!! Roy messing with nem Cards with the laser beans.

Did he steal that laser pointer from the last time he went to Laser Allin?

Considering it's Philly, Pujols is lucky it was only a laser pointer and not a D cell.
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« Reply #489 on: July 27, 2009, 05:10:35 PM »
I think we may be seeing the beginning of the end of Omar Minaya's tenure with the Mets.

But I could be wrong.
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« Reply #490 on: July 27, 2009, 06:43:46 PM »
I like the trade for the Cards because I think Holliday will stay in St. Louis. If you can get an established star for a top prospect and you think you have a good shot of retaining him, I say you do the deal every time. If he's walking for sure after the end of the season then it's a bad trade, but now the Cards have somebody to hit behind Pujols for years as long as they lock him up. I'd rather take the chance on established stars signing in a baseball town than putting my hopes on prospects. They could have waited for free agency but I think getting a player into the system and giving him a feel about what your team is about gives a team a leg up once free agency begins. Especially in St. Louis.

I'm coming around on this, Gilly.  I think you're right. Since I was out of the country, tonight is my first chance to see the new look Cardinals as Carpenter battles Wolf.

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« Reply #491 on: July 28, 2009, 12:25:30 PM »
I think we may be seeing the beginning of the end of Omar Minaya's tenure with the Mets.

But I could be wrong.

We can only hope.

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« Reply #492 on: July 28, 2009, 12:32:41 PM »
I think we may be seeing the beginning of the end of Omar Minaya's tenure with the Mets.

But I could be wrong.

We can only hope.

Good christ. This big flaming pile of stupid inspired two posts on my site today. Too bad this nonsense overshadowed one of their better wins in quite a while.
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« Reply #493 on: July 28, 2009, 01:12:53 PM »
That was a nice job of character assassination by Omar. IMHO, Adam Rubin is one of the better beat reporters out there and what was done to him yesterday was inexcusable.

WRT to last night's game, it was indeed an awesome win. However, at this point, it's too little, too late.
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« Reply #494 on: July 28, 2009, 05:55:05 PM »
That was a nice job of character assassination by Omar. IMHO, Adam Rubin is one of the better beat reporters out there and what was done to him yesterday was inexcusable.

WRT to last night's game, it was indeed an awesome win. However, at this point, it's too little, too late.

Probably true. A man can dream, though.
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