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Christina

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Re: Comic books
« Reply #345 on: February 21, 2010, 11:42:35 PM »
why do you like/not like DC Comics vs Marvel comics? What's good/not good about what each does? I am curious.

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This one I get .... can you go in to more specifics?
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Re: Comic books
« Reply #346 on: February 22, 2010, 12:28:14 AM »
Personally, I don't know. I mean, they different sets of characters and themes, and historically, DC has been a bit goofier than Marvel, but they both have their strong points.

Lots of DC characters were created across a number of different publishers which were eventually bought out by DC and incorporated into the same universe. Marvel's characters were all created in-house by a handful of people with a common editorial staff and house art style.

DC uses  fictional town names loosely based on real ones, where Marvel uses real places.

DC has metahumans, Marvel has superhumans.

DC had the whole concept of "multiple earths" although I think Marvel has something resembling this now.

Marvel has the whole mutant thing (as opposed to the characters that were somehow empowered by some accident) cornered.

Marvel has more group books

I don't know, I think a lot of it has to do with following the goings on in one universe or another, and people just tend to stick with one over the other. Personally, I don't get it, although I tend to follow creators more than characters or publishers. I think in recent history, that stuff isn't as prevalent. Each company has adopted the devices of the other, and the talent is a lot quicker about going back and forth between the companies. But then, I'm sure there's dozens of people who could explain the difference better than I can.

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Re: Comic books
« Reply #347 on: February 22, 2010, 04:41:13 AM »
I think you are getting all the basic ideas but simplifying it quite a bit. Both companies tend towards themes.

DC's usually being more fantastic and escapist, usually taking on more surreal or philosophical human ideals, which is why DC's characters aren't really characters, they are more living embodiments of ideals. They do this pretty well very often, so you get to see the differences of the human Bruce Wayne and the pure fear the Batman represents.

Marvel on the other hand usually takes on more social or political issues when they do big event. The whole concept of Mutants takes on racial divides, and when it is handled well it translates perfectly. Everything since Civil War is clearly commentary on government control and public trust in those appointed to protect them. Because these are more real issues Marvel characters tend to be much less black and white, and more identifiable.

All of this can't be applied to everything the companies put out obviously, and a lot depends on the creative team that is working on the comic.

Maybe I'm analyzing it too much, but I think there are very different themes in Marvel and DC comics. The best of both companies can be really great in different ways and I follow several comics from each.
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Re: Comic books
« Reply #348 on: February 22, 2010, 08:53:47 AM »

Marvel on the other hand usually takes on more social or political issues when they do big event. The whole concept of Mutants takes on racial divides, and when it is handled well it translates perfectly. Everything since Civil War is clearly commentary on government control and public trust in those appointed to protect them. Because these are more real issues Marvel characters tend to be much less black and white, and more identifiable.


Back when I read comics Marvel seemed to require a little less suspension of disbelief. 

The Hulk could move large pieces of land; Superman could move the earth in and out of its rotation  (Somehow the fact that it was spinning didn't affect his ability to do so).

Marvel characters had complicated personal lives. D.C. characters barely had personal lives.

That's my remembrance.
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Re: Comic books
« Reply #349 on: February 22, 2010, 10:23:47 AM »
I don't know, Fredericks, I think Batman has a pretty complicated personal life.
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« Reply #350 on: February 22, 2010, 10:47:46 AM »
I don't know, Fredericks, I think Batman has a pretty complicated personal life.

Not back when I read him.  He was just some rich guy who fought crime as a hobby.  This was all pre-Dark Knight, you are reminded.  
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Re: Comic books
« Reply #351 on: February 22, 2010, 12:23:29 PM »
The problem with most of my understanding is that I'm far more familiar with modern age stuff than what preceded it. One of those earlier books I'm most familiar with is that old Green Lantern/Green Lantern series from Neal Adams and Denny O'Neil where they deal with worker's rights, cults, heroin addiction, etc...

Yeah, speaking of complicated personal lives... both those characters work.

Like Dan said, every company has its off-theme series, but that's the one that always sticks out for me and it's as grounded in reality as a superhero comic can get.

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« Reply #352 on: February 22, 2010, 02:12:17 PM »
I think it has a lot to do with where both companies started.  DC goes all the way back to the 1930s, when it was just pulp entertainment done by hacks for little kids, kind of like 80s cartoons, with the exception that there were some moments of accidental genius, like Jack Kirby.  Marvel also existed then (as Timely Comics), but was a relatively minor company.

The real genius of Stan Lee in the 1960s was to combine superhero comics with romance comics, and elements of melodrama and realism, so characters like Spider-Man and The Fantastic Four seemed to have "real-world" problems.  DC, by comparison, was going in a more space-age sci-fi direction, with high concept stories featuring wooden characters like The Flash, Green Lantern, and Adam Strange.  Marvel's breakthroughs at the time became a bit of a countercultural phenomenon, with teen and college-age baby boomers identifying with underdog heroes like Spider-Man or The Hulk.  Eventually these breakthroughs made stuff like Vertigo and "deconstructed" superheroes possible.  Actual art comics for adults, Fantagraphics-like stuff, are more influenced by newspaper comics, fine art, pop culture, European comics, and 60s underground comix, but you can see some mainstream comics influence in the work of creators like Dan Clowes and Jaime Hernandez.

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Re: Comic books
« Reply #353 on: February 22, 2010, 09:53:08 PM »
The real genius of Stan Lee in the 1960s was to combine superhero comics with romance comics, and elements of melodrama and realism, so characters like Spider-Man and The Fantastic Four seemed to have "real-world" problems.


That's why I preferred Marvel.  Thanks Grote.

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Re: Comic books
« Reply #354 on: February 23, 2010, 01:54:51 AM »
I always thought of it as:

DC=Gods
Marvel=Men wanting to become gods through science.

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Re: Comic books
« Reply #355 on: February 23, 2010, 04:24:09 PM »
People act as if Marvel and DC are Democrats and Republicans. The future is in the independent parties.
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Re: Comic books
« Reply #356 on: February 25, 2010, 01:53:46 AM »
I like weird stuff. Not gross weird, not weird as in... "hey, that guy's a zombie"... not kitschy..

Heady weird.

I do not like super hero stuff.


Now I need recommendations.

I really liked that mnemovore. I got into "Y: The Last Man" at one point, but it was a bit campy for me sometimes.
The last actual super hero book I remember enjoying was years ago, "Wolverine: Inner Fury" - which was pretty different than your usual affair anyway - a lot darker and more self contained, a character piece.

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Re: Comic books
« Reply #357 on: February 25, 2010, 08:58:21 AM »
There are lots of recommendations earlier in the thread, but off the top of my head: Black Hole by Charles Burns (a little on the 'gross weird' side of things), Like a Velvet Glove Cast in Iron by Dan Clowes, Frank by Jim Woodring. All three have a psychedelic, disorienting tone. They're a little artier than "Y" and similar titles.

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Re: Comic books
« Reply #358 on: February 25, 2010, 04:06:58 PM »
I like weird stuff. Not gross weird, not weird as in... "hey, that guy's a zombie"... not kitschy..

Heady weird.

I do not like super hero stuff.


Now I need recommendations.

I really liked that mnemovore. I got into "Y: The Last Man" at one point, but it was a bit campy for me sometimes.
The last actual super hero book I remember enjoying was years ago, "Wolverine: Inner Fury" - which was pretty different than your usual affair anyway - a lot darker and more self contained, a character piece.

Daytrippers and Chew are weird non superhero books that I enjoy.
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« Reply #359 on: February 25, 2010, 07:25:14 PM »
Those are both amazing.

Scalped is great, but more Apache noir than weird.
Sweet Tooth would be another good one. It's still a young book, so I'm not sure how it'll end up, but I really like it so far.
Echo has been pretty fantastic, although I'm still getting over the sheer amount of physics in that last issue.