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Laurie

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Re: Comic books
« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2007, 10:06:07 AM »
To this day, "The Killing Joke" is my favorite Batman story. Alan Moore considers the story "clunky" in retrospect, but I love it. That's another difference between Alan Moore and Frank Miller, aside form the whole talent thing -- you think Miller ever looks back at a story and thinks, "Yeah, that was kind of horrible"?

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« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2007, 10:54:42 AM »
To me this joke made me laugh harder then anything in last nights Simpsons



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Re: Comic books
« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2007, 11:31:44 AM »
To this day, "The Killing Joke" is my favorite Batman story. Alan Moore considers the story "clunky" in retrospect, but I love it. That's another difference between Alan Moore and Frank Miller, aside form the whole talent thing -- you think Miller ever looks back at a story and thinks, "Yeah, that was kind of horrible"?

I know you're not a Miller fan, which is quite understandable. I do like Dark Knight Returns and (especially) Batman: Year One but, boy, are you ever right about All Star Batman and Robin. That thing is at least 10 different kinds of awful.

I've heard Alan Moore disparage The Killing Joke as well. I think the gist of his gripe was that it was just a story about Batman and the Joker, there was no "greater meaning" or something to that effect. This may well be true but it's a great Batman story. It's probably the best statement on the relationship between Batman and the Joker. It's a shame that Moore well probably again never write stories for liscensed characters because he's probably better at it than anyone else.

That Simpsons gag last night was hilarious. I actually thought the entire episode was the best of the season thus far. However, that just might be my comic book geekiness talking.
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« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2007, 11:40:11 AM »
I've heard Alan Moore disparage The Killing Joke as well. I think the gist of his gripe was that it was just a story about Batman and the Joker, there was no "greater meaning" or something to that effect. This may well be true but it's a great Batman story. It's probably the best statement on the relationship between Batman and the Joker. It's a shame that Moore well probably again never write stories for liscensed characters because he's probably better at it than anyone else.

I know, Alan Moore is the best. He even made me love Superman. I remember when the Justice League cartoon adapted the Alan Moore story from Superman Annual #11. I loved it so much that I tracked down said issue, and it made me cry. Seriously. He's the best.

It's a shame about all of the disputes he's had. He does seem a tad anal, but I guess I would be royally pissed and nitpick over everything if they ruined something I made. Did you guys see League of Extraordinary Gentlemen? Enough said.

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« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2007, 12:41:37 PM »
I've heard Alan Moore disparage The Killing Joke as well. I think the gist of his gripe was that it was just a story about Batman and the Joker, there was no "greater meaning" or something to that effect. This may well be true but it's a great Batman story. It's probably the best statement on the relationship between Batman and the Joker. It's a shame that Moore well probably again never write stories for liscensed characters because he's probably better at it than anyone else.

I know, Alan Moore is the best. He even made me love Superman. I remember when the Justice League cartoon adapted the Alan Moore story from Superman Annual #11. I loved it so much that I tracked down said issue, and it made me cry. Seriously. He's the best.

It's a shame about all of the disputes he's had. He does seem a tad anal, but I guess I would be royally pissed and nitpick over everything if they ruined something I made. Did you guys see League of Extraordinary Gentlemen? Enough said.

OK, here is me tossing a stink-bomb into the room: I love Moore's work, especially his 80s stuff, and I think The Killing Joke still holds up.  But I also hold that he's nowhere near the literary genius that his fans make him out to be.  Watchmen is structurally brilliant, and better than most other superhero comics by an order of magnitude, but it's also filled with ham-fisted symbolism, easy melodrama, and simplistic politics.  Ditto for V For Vendetta, which I loved when DC published it in the late 80s, but seems a little shallow today.  And I find his more recent work a mixed bag - From Hell and LOEG were great reads, but his ABC stuff seemed like he was phoning it in.

Anyway, Moore's work blew my mind when I was a teenager, and acted as sort of a gateway drug to stuff like Borges or Pynchon, so I wouldn't want to deny anyone else that experience.  And I wouldn't think of comparing him to Frank Miller.  But I think he's reflexively elevated to godlike status, when really (by his own admission), he's a lot closer to Stephen King than James Joyce - a really good genre writer.  Not that there's anything wrong with that.

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« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2007, 03:14:39 PM »
That's another difference between Alan Moore John Astin and Frank Miller Gorshin, aside form the whole talent thing -- you think Miller Gorshin ever looks back at a story an episode and thinks, "Yeah, that was kind of horrible I think I overplayed that laugh"?

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« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2007, 04:26:53 PM »
The best Batman I've ever read is Gotham By Gaslight.

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« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2007, 04:41:06 PM »
At the risk of turning this into the Alan Moore thread, I have to say that I really liked "Tom Strong". That book had a lot of great talent in the art department and was one of the most fun comics I've ever read. I also enjoyed "Top Ten" and (know that I think about it) almost everything I ever read from his America's Best Comics company.

Side-note: I can't shake the feeling that I would not enjoy meeting and talking to Alan Moore.

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« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2007, 05:02:36 PM »
At the risk of turning this into the Alan Moore thread, I have to say that I really liked "Tom Strong". That book had a lot of great talent in the art department and was one of the most fun comics I've ever read. I also enjoyed "Top Ten" and (know that I think about it) almost everything I ever read from his America's Best Comics company.

Side-note: I can't shake the feeling that I would not enjoy meeting and talking to Alan Moore.

Tom Strong to me was just Alan Moore doing a very blatant Doc Savage tribute. Also I've seen Moore in a recent Documentary about Steve Ditko and he came off actually very likable.

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« Reply #24 on: November 19, 2007, 05:28:29 PM »
Side-note: I can't shake the feeling that I would not enjoy meeting and talking to Alan Moore.

Whereas Warren Ellis is delightful. No, really, he's quite personable! We're on each others' friends list.

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« Reply #25 on: November 19, 2007, 06:16:04 PM »
Speaking of Warren Ellis, does anyone have any recommendations of his work? I know that I've read some of his stuff, but aside from a few issues of Hellblazer I can't recall what it was. He's a writer that continually gets high praise and I'd like to see what the fuss is about.

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« Reply #26 on: November 20, 2007, 04:37:32 PM »
Speaking of Warren Ellis, does anyone have any recommendations of his work? I know that I've read some of his stuff, but aside from a few issues of Hellblazer I can't recall what it was. He's a writer that continually gets high praise and I'd like to see what the fuss is about.

He's one of those guys I don't always like, but he's got some pretty good stuff.  His Stormwatch and Authority are pretty fun, and I'm liking his Thunderbolts comic.  I just don't like when he tries to be wacky.
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« Reply #27 on: December 30, 2007, 01:13:03 AM »
Im considering picking up that Ed Brubaker's Captain America Omnibus.  I havent ever followed that book.  Is it easy to pick up or will I drown in half a century of backstory?  How is it overall?

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« Reply #28 on: December 30, 2007, 09:19:39 AM »
Im considering picking up that Ed Brubaker's Captain America Omnibus.  I havent ever followed that book.  Is it easy to pick up or will I drown in half a century of backstory?  How is it overall?

Nah, You'll be fine. I like that book. Hope you will too.

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« Reply #29 on: December 31, 2007, 05:06:12 PM »
Im considering picking up that Ed Brubaker's Captain America Omnibus.  I havent ever followed that book.  Is it easy to pick up or will I drown in half a century of backstory?  How is it overall?

I second this.  I held out for a while, but there's just enough realism and spy-novel intrigue to keep it interesting.  I'd say it contained the best of the Civil War-related crossovers by far.

Nah, You'll be fine. I like that book. Hope you will too.
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