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« Reply #90 on: May 30, 2008, 07:06:26 PM »
Thanks, totep!

From that excerpt the writing isn't exactly wowing me. You'd think Ellis would be aces at dialogue-heavy scenes, but apparently not?

I don't know, maybe I'm judging him harshly. I just read The Big Sleep, and Raymond Chandler is basically the king of snappy P.I. dialogue, so maybe Ellis pales in comparison.

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« Reply #91 on: May 30, 2008, 07:11:37 PM »
Raymond Chandler had his characters say "dude" too!
"I LOVE HONEY BUNCHES AND OATS,BUT THE LAST THREE TIMES I WAS EATING IT,T EXSPIRIENCED SEVERE ABDOMINAL PAIN AND ACID REFLEX PROBLEMS.SO THIS CEREAL IS OF MY GROCERY LIST" - Monika54

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« Reply #92 on: May 30, 2008, 07:36:39 PM »
Thanks, totep!

From that excerpt the writing isn't exactly wowing me. You'd think Ellis would be aces at dialogue-heavy scenes, but apparently not?

I don't know, maybe I'm judging him harshly. I just read The Big Sleep, and Raymond Chandler is basically the king of snappy P.I. dialogue, so maybe Ellis pales in comparison.

I agree.  But only after typing that out.  It seemed to read better when I first read it for some reason.

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« Reply #93 on: May 31, 2008, 01:35:57 PM »
Thanks for helping me re-live that.


>Shiver<

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« Reply #94 on: July 13, 2008, 05:23:12 PM »
Am I the only comic book reader who is less than impressed with Grant Morrison on Batman?

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« Reply #95 on: July 13, 2008, 06:42:02 PM »
I haven't been reading his Batman, but I've been less than impressed with most of Grant Morrison since the 90s. Not sure if I've grown out of him, if he's had a slump, or if I've just been picking his rotten stuff to try. I did like the Superman comic he wrote that was given out for free comic book day.

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« Reply #96 on: July 16, 2008, 02:38:43 AM »
Morrison's Batman is pretty lame, but I think a lot of that has to do with him getting saddled with Tony Daniel as artist.  Sometimes he can really make a sub-par artist work (I've never been crazy about Howard Porter, but JLA really clicked), but Daniel seems like a lost cause - all the bad parts of the Image artists with none of the good. 

I've liked a good deal of his post-90s output - We3 was pretty awesome, and I like All-Star Superman and Final Crisis quite a bit.  I liked how insane Seaguy was, but The Filth seemed kinda pointless.  Seven Soldiers and New X-Men were hit-or-miss for me, though after reading Doug Wolk's Reading Comics, I want to check the former out again.
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« Reply #97 on: July 16, 2008, 10:31:18 AM »
Is anybody else aware of/reading Freakangels? It's penned by Ellis and released free on the internet every friday. I've been following, and it looks like it's actually about to get much more interesting, thankfully. Up until now it's sort of just been a quiet, half-hearted story about these magical, post-apocalyptic, steampunk teens, eking out an existence in a flooded London, but I predict excitement is coming very soon, given the last couple of issues (if they keep it up at all). At any rate, it's been a good read.

As to Morrison, I love forever We3, and The Invisibles as much as it melted my brain to read.

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« Reply #98 on: July 16, 2008, 11:10:01 AM »
Morrison's Batman is pretty lame, but I think a lot of that has to do with him getting saddled with Tony Daniel as artist.  Sometimes he can really make a sub-par artist work (I've never been crazy about Howard Porter, but JLA really clicked), but Daniel seems like a lost cause - all the bad parts of the Image artists with none of the good. 

Yeah, that's a good assessment. I was really surprised Tony of all people got offered that book.

I'd also say I don't think Morrison really gets Batman anymore, or Bruce Wayne at least. His JLA version of him was much better than this current run, which I gave up very early on. Too much stream of consciousness nonsense, Morrison needs an editor to reign him in more than any other writer out there - but everyone seems afraid to do that for some reason.

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« Reply #99 on: July 16, 2008, 11:16:32 AM »
I should add about Tony Daniel though is that his Batman work is the best stuff he's ever done, and he's grown significantly over this run. And a lot of the Image comparison is the fault of the coloring, which has been pretty awful. If his pages went straight to colors from pencils too I think it'd look a lot better as well.


 

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« Reply #100 on: July 16, 2008, 11:36:39 AM »
Yeah, I think Morrison is trying too hard to reinvent Batman with this high-concept, "let's combine the goofy Silver Age Batman and the sexy 70s Neal Adams Batman with the creepy Frank Miller/Golden Age psycho" thing, and it's sort of sliding off the rails.  It's funny, because he was the last writer to reinvent Batman - until his JLA depiction, everyone had been imitating the Miller Batman since the 80s.  Morrison's genius in JLA was to take all of those heroes as they were being depicted at the time and make them work together, even though DC editorial made all of those characters so totally independent and adversarial (in other words, Marvel-ized them) that something like the JLA was almost unimaginable.  The way he handled gruff, Miller-Batman next to all of these brightly-colored, near-omnipotent leotard boys was a stroke of genius.

After that, though, everything became a weak imitation of Morrison's JLA characterizations (or, alternately, Warren Ellis' Authority).  Batman beating Galactus or The Spectre or God became routine and boring, and in the hands of most writers turned out to be a deus ex machina most of the time - there was a certain genius to Batman defeating the White Martians (can't believe I just typed that) or Lex Luthor, or Green Arrow and the Atom killing Darkseid, that has since gone unmatched.

That said, I'm glad Morrison is upending the cliche he inadvertently birthed by taking Batman right off the board in Final Crisis #2.  This series seems awesome so far.  I really do think he's the first writer since Kirby to do anything interesting with the New Gods.
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« Reply #101 on: July 16, 2008, 11:48:50 AM »
If (and that's a BIG "if") I were going to tackle Final Crisis, having mostly ignored DC Comics for the last 10 years, would I be able to dive in? Is is self-contained, or do I have to read 52, and Countdown to Final Crisis, etc., etc., etc.

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« Reply #102 on: July 16, 2008, 11:55:46 AM »
Bryan, I think you should be able to follow it without having read anything - Morrison has actually disavowed Countdown.  Some of it might be a little confusing (Morrison is actually pretty Godard-like in that he leaves a lot out and lets the reader put it together, plus almost all superhero comics are bewildering to the casual reader), but most of what I've read so far is either new to this series, or was only lightly touched on elsewhere (like the ghetto New Gods or the Alpha Lanterns).

Anyway, flip through it in the store and see how you like it - I still have to read all the pamphlets, because in my heart I am still 6 y/o, but it will probably be better in trade paperback form.
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« Reply #103 on: July 16, 2008, 12:01:01 PM »
Thanks, Jason. It should be noted that prior to the 10 years of ignoring DC Comics, there was about 15 years of paying very close attention indeed.

I do like the New Gods, though.

Anyone shelled out for the Kirby Omnibuses that've been recently published? I'm close to convincing myself to do it. As a compromise I keep buying the cheapo "Showcase Presents" books. As a kid I loved Batman, but those classic Superman stories have charmed the hell out of me.

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« Reply #104 on: July 16, 2008, 12:26:38 PM »
Yeah, Silver Age Superman was pretty awesome at age 9 or 10.  And while Morrison's take on the New Gods borders on the cheesy (Ving Rhames Darkseid, e.g.), it's the first I've seen that actually does justice to the characters (except maybe Legends in like 1986, though it's been a while).
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