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Re: Breaking Bad
« Reply #135 on: October 10, 2011, 04:56:00 PM »
Keep in mind that Saul was in on the plot and at one point was paying regular visits to Andrea and Brock.
Yeah, he gets the address for their home from Saul, no problem there. And I'm willing to assume that Saul, under these circumstances, shrugs off poisoning a kid and even fill in the blanks for them that Saul has Huell and Bill Burr's character (did he get a name on the show?) help out/run interference/put on disguises so Walt can get the whole thing done safely that afternoon.

My lingering hang-up is the logic chain that has to go: Walt sees plant -> Walt remembers the face of a kid he saw for less than 10 seconds the night before when he was kidnapped and led out to the desert -> Walt correctly guesses said kid is so important to Jesse that his well-being can motivate Jesse to kill someone when threats on Jesse's own well-being failed to motivate him to kill Gus at least twice in the past weeks -> Walt correctly guesses that Saul will know who the kid is -> Walt devises cigarette swap plan on the hunch that Jesse will blame him and he can get Jesse to blame Gus -> this plan actually works.

Anyway, Bob Odenkirk as Saul: one of the greatest unexpected casting decisions and payoffs in recent memory.

At some point, Saul told Walt about Jesse's relationship with Andrea and Brock. Remember, Walt was afraid for his life once Jesse became buddy-buddy with Mike. At that point, he probably started paying Saul to keep tabs on Jesse.

Even if Walt didn't have a secret information-feeding relationship with Saul before the shit hit the fan in episode 11, it's not inconceivable that between then and the scene where Walt spins his gun, Walt had a long scheming session with Saul, in which Saul told Walt about Andrea and Brock.

(And, of course, I'm forgetting the possibility that Saul, being a loudmouth, brought up Jesse's relationship with Andrea and Brock during a regular meeting with Walt at some point. Or that Walt found out by personally spying on Jesse. Or that Jesse told Walt about Andrea and Brock over breakfast at Denny's. The possibilities are endless.)

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Re: Breaking Bad
« Reply #136 on: October 10, 2011, 05:52:45 PM »
Also remember that, near the end of Season 3, Jesse was fully prepared to die to avenge Brock's brother's death at the hands of Gus's street pushers. Walt even arranged a sit-down with Gus, Jesse and the two dealers to try and settle it before it got out of hand. So Walt does know how important this family is to Jesse.

And then there's the show's ultra-compressed timeline. The time between the events of the Season 3 finale and those of last night's episode couldn't be more than 3-4 weeks in the world of the show. Walt would probably still remember Brock and his mother, even before seeing them at Jesse's house.

But still, the writing was pretty sloppy these last couple of episodes. Way more good stuff than bad, of course, just not up to the standard BREAKING BAD has set for itself. It's almost certain that Walt's entire scheme will be fully fleshed out early in the next season. The writers have a year to get this story straight, and I'm confident they can do it in a less eyeroll-worthy fashion than what we got this year.
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Re: Breaking Bad
« Reply #137 on: October 10, 2011, 09:50:25 PM »
Yeah, I agree with everything Wes and Chris have said -- still a great show, and the Hector moment at the end was TV history, but the how of Walt poisoning Brock doesn't make sense, and a writers' room that smart, knowing how intelligent their audience is (or at least they treat us like we're smart) shouldn't have just hand-waved it. Unless they are ultraconfident in their abilities to plausibly explain it next season.
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Re: Breaking Bad
« Reply #138 on: October 10, 2011, 09:57:40 PM »
If Lily of the Valley is truly that common, there's still a chance that Brock discovered some in his own backyard and that the zoom-in shot of the plant in Walt's backyard was there just to lead viewers to assume the worst (which will get cleared up next season).

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Re: Breaking Bad
« Reply #139 on: October 10, 2011, 11:34:32 PM »
After 2 minutes of internet research, I have come to the conclusion that the writers presented a good case of ricin poisoning based on Brock's condition, and a lame case for Lily of the valley poisoning as it doesn't seem to produce very severe symptoms.  But that is consistent with most of what happens on the show; it presents one way, but turns out to be something else.  It all goes back to the pilot's opening scene, Walt is convinced he will be caught with his pants down (or literally off in this case) as the sirens sound in the background, only to realize it's fire engines sounding their approach not police cars, and no one is looking for him. This is what makes, and continues to make, the show so entertaining. 
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Cardiac Glycosides
Plants that contain cardiac glycoside can cause changes in the rate or rhythm of your child's heart. Many heart medications currently on the market are derived from these plants. Poisoning with cardiac glycosides often occurs when these plants are incorrectly used as a tea. The initial signs of poisoning are headache, confusion, dizziness, vomiting, or stomach pain. Later, effects on heart rate and blood pressure occur.
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If your child eats any amount of these three plant groups, contact your physician or The Poison Control Center immediately. Each case needs individual evaluation and The Poison Center's recommendations will vary with the amount and time of ingestion.

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Signs and symptoms of ricin exposure
The major symptoms of ricin poisoning depend on the route of exposure and the dose received, though many organs may be affected in severe cases.
Initial symptoms of ricin poisoning by inhalation may occur within 8 hours of exposure. Following ingestion of ricin, initial symptoms typically occur in less than 6 hours.
Inhalation: Within a few hours of inhaling significant amounts of ricin, the likely symptoms would be respiratory distress (difficulty breathing), fever, cough, nausea, and tightness in the chest. Heavy sweating may follow as well as fluid building up in the lungs (pulmonary edema). This would make breathing even more difficult, and the skin might turn blue. Excess fluid in the lungs would be diagnosed by x-ray or by listening to the chest with a stethoscope. Finally, low blood pressure and respiratory failure may occur, leading to death. In cases of known exposure to ricin, people having respiratory symptoms that started within 12 hours of inhaling ricin should seek medical care.
Ingestion: If someone swallows a significant amount of ricin, he or she would develop vomiting and diarrhea that may become bloody. Severe dehydration may be the result, followed by low blood pressure. Other signs or symptoms may include hallucinations, seizures, and blood in the urine. Within several days, the person’s liver, spleen, and kidneys might stop working, and the person could die.
Skin and eye exposure: Ricin is unlikely to be absorbed through normal skin. Contact with ricin powders or products may cause redness and pain of the skin and the eyes.
Death from ricin poisoning could take place within 36 to 72 hours of exposure, depending on the route of exposure (inhalation, ingestion, or injection) and the dose received.

I am looking forward to next season!

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Re: Breaking Bad
« Reply #140 on: October 11, 2011, 07:49:51 AM »
I think that maybe if Walt poisoned Brock he knew that the Lily of the Valley wouldn't be fatal if he made it to the hospital. Isn't Jesse still oblivious to Walt's involvement in Jane's death?
I do think that both of those will unravel next season and Mike is either going to avenge Gus or join forces with Walt and Jesse. I too can't wait.
I did see Cranston interviewed on the today show saying there are 16 episodes left which will be  "two years." So are we to expect 8 episode mini-serieses?

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Re: Breaking Bad
« Reply #141 on: October 11, 2011, 01:29:04 PM »
If Lily of the Valley is truly that common, there's still a chance that Brock discovered some in his own backyard and that the zoom-in shot of the plant in Walt's backyard was there just to lead viewers to assume the worst (which will get cleared up next season).

This is very unlikely. In the Brian Cranston WTF and other interviews they talk about how they're setting out to do something that's rarely been done on television (if ever) and that's to turn the hero into a villian. Not into an anti-hero, but into a straight-up villian.

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« Reply #142 on: October 11, 2011, 02:06:50 PM »
The other interesting detail -- which gives me hope for the final season -- is that S5 will stretch out over two years. Considering that the first four seasons all took place in one calendar year, this seems promising, and allows a lot of the loose ends -- the death of Ted Beneke, the FBI and APD looking into Jesse because of the ricin thing, Walt's cancer, the car wash (what if their money problems return?), Hank's suspicions (how is that German multinational going to react to this? Might Gus have CIA connections?), and, biggest of all, the power vacuum left by the deaths of both Gus and the entire cartel -- to really take root.
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Re: Breaking Bad
« Reply #143 on: October 11, 2011, 02:45:55 PM »
I think the "stretched out over two years" thing means how it will go in real time, not in show time, necessarily. Meaning that Season 5 Episode 8 will air in October of next year, and Season 5 Episode 16 - or Season 6 Episode 8 - will air the October after that. I could be wrong, but I don't think Gilligan has said anything about how far out they want the in-show time to advance yet.

A jump between the #8 and #9 episodes of the final 16 would make sense, but I think they're still working under the notion that Walt is working with a finite clock on his life, whether he knows it or not.
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Re: Breaking Bad
« Reply #144 on: October 11, 2011, 03:53:45 PM »
Oh, that's what I get for not reading carefully. Oh, well.
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Re: Breaking Bad
« Reply #145 on: October 11, 2011, 04:23:36 PM »
What fun, I think we should all try to win this!
http://blogs.amctv.com/breaking-bad/2011/10/breaking-bad-walk-on-role-sweepstakes.php
Beginning today, you can enter for your chance to win a walk-on role in what The New York Times calls "The best show on television." One grand prize winner will be selected to receive a walk-on role in Breaking Bad next season and a four-day, three-night trip to the set in Albuquerque, New Mexico. All entries must be received by 11:59:59AM | 10:59:59C on Mon., Jan. 16, 2012.



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Re: Breaking Bad
« Reply #146 on: November 26, 2011, 09:43:17 PM »
So I'm playing catch up with this show. Just watched Seasons 1-3. My overall impression: The Sopranos Lite with a heavy Tarantino influence (jokey violence, ponderous monologues), not to mention one character imitating Jason Mewes (Jesse) and another character imitating Robert Duvall in The Great Santini (Hank, who along with Marie and Walt Jr. are completely two dimensional characters). In 33 episodes, I can't say I laughed or was surprised by anything I saw (although Bob Odenkirk, who is the best thing in the show, came closest). Gus, the criminal genius (probably my most hated type of television character), seems lifted whole cloth from The Wire. Frankly, the whole show seems derivative to me (The Sopranos being the main template--a man resorts to crime to support his family). I can't think of one moment that felt personal or original. And the pile up of coincidences (Walt running into Jane's father in the bar, Jane's father being the air traffic controller responsible for the mid-air collision, Jesse dating the sister of the 11-year-old hit kid, etc.) doesn't help much either (don't even get me started on the Terminator Brothers or should that be the No Country for Old Men Brothers--thank God they were at least dispensed with). I'm not turned off enough to not see it through to the end, but judging from some of the comments about Season 4, I'm not expecting it to improve dramatically either. Sorry, fellas, but Breaking Bad is definitely a Tier 2 show for me.
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Re: Breaking Bad
« Reply #147 on: November 26, 2011, 10:37:48 PM »
You're difficult to please, Mike. Out of curiosity, what's in your Tier 1?

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Re: Breaking Bad
« Reply #148 on: November 27, 2011, 03:30:00 AM »
Twin Peaks, The Sopranos, and Deadwood are the gold standard for me.
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Re: Breaking Bad
« Reply #149 on: November 27, 2011, 12:10:41 PM »
Twin Peaks, The Sopranos, and Deadwood are the gold standard for me.

Where does THE WIRE fit in?