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fletcher munson

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Re: Future of the Left
« Reply #60 on: November 09, 2009, 07:37:27 AM »
i would have shit my pants for this band around the time I was trying to escape the boredom of nyhc with bands like quicksand and inside out.  I hear a lot of inside out, Rage, and helmet in this band.  And that's okay.  But I definitely only like it okay.
I'm not one to slag things on appreciation threads, but, seriously, Mclusky might have been exciting around the time Gang Of Four was around - not referring to the vocals.
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Re: Future of the Left
« Reply #61 on: November 19, 2009, 09:59:37 AM »
i would have shit my pants for this band around the time I was trying to escape the boredom of nyhc with bands like quicksand and inside out.  I hear a lot of inside out, Rage, and helmet in this band.  And that's okay.  But I definitely only like it okay.
I'm not one to slag things on appreciation threads, but, seriously, Mclusky might have been exciting around the time Gang Of Four was around - not referring to the vocals.

You're so brave for going against your nature... to speak truth to power.

I commend you, sir!  You're a man among men.

fletcher munson

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Re: Future of the Left
« Reply #62 on: November 19, 2009, 09:13:33 PM »
Honestly, I meant no personal offense by my comment, I doubt I could say the same about you.
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Keith Whitener

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Re: Future of the Left
« Reply #63 on: November 20, 2009, 02:27:20 AM »
I don't see the point of your comment. The only thing I see it accomplishing is the creation of hierarchies and ingroup/outgroup relationships. It's not even in the form of an aesthetic criticism. You're not saying anything that's making me understand your lack of enjoyment.

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Re: Future of the Left
« Reply #64 on: November 20, 2009, 03:29:49 PM »
Boy did this thread just take a turn down Suck Avenue.

TO GET IT BACK ON TRACK: anyone see the AV Clubs listing of the best albums? I was kinda surprised to see Mclusky on there, but it was neat!

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Re: Future of the Left
« Reply #65 on: November 20, 2009, 05:16:34 PM »
NICE!

fletcher munson

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Re: Future of the Left
« Reply #66 on: November 20, 2009, 09:33:23 PM »
I don't see the point of your comment. The only thing I see it accomplishing is the creation of hierarchies and ingroup/outgroup relationships. It's not even in the form of an aesthetic criticism. You're not saying anything that's making me understand your lack of enjoyment.

I dunno, what I heard of the interaction between drums, guitar and bass in McClusky  reminded me of some old Gang of Four songs.   I love Gang of Four, just not sure I need to hear anyone else doing it.  I can play Mutant Pop or Entertainment! anytime I want.  Mclusky  may not remind anyone else of Gang of Four, it could just be me, so who knows?

Aesthetic criticism? Of Mclusky?  Why don't you go first?  Where would you begin?  Is there anything notable about them, aesthetically, that I'm missing?  Did others in this thread post about aesthetics?  It all sounded like,  "awesome!"  "awesome!" "I saw them!" to me.

I mean, empty sockets wrote:
 
I dunno, guys... not every rock band needs to be a garage band.  I'm really happy with the sound on Travels... maybe there's a ton of overdubbing (I can't really tell), but at least you can hear each part distinctly, and nearly everything that's being played is smart and interesting.

There's a ton of deliberately lo fi bands out that clearly chose to go that way because better production would reveal a lack of ideas.  I'm glad I can hear the vocals on this --because they're fucking awesome-- and I'm glad I can make out the lyrics without a lyric sheet.
In terms of what you can do in a recording, what I heard of FOTL sounds like a straight forward representation of a rock band, which is an aesthetic, I guess, but rather unremarkable, maybe even unambitious, but certainly very "professional" sounding.  There isn't really a lot to talk about there, is there?  
Also all I can comment on is their recordings, I haven't seen them live, but even live I'd be hearing them alongside room acoustics/PA artifacts, etc.  
Emptysockets uses words like "smart" and "interesting", is this what passes for aesthetic criticism?  He holds this type of recording above those of garage or distorted bands, maybe since it suggests a transparent quality, reflecting a faithful recording of a live band (whatever that is).
Personally, I find the element of distortion found on, say, Blank Dogs, Times New Vikings recordings quite striking.  Distortion,  tape hiss, mic\room colorisation etc., which make you aware that it's a recording, give personality, in my opinion, mud (Phil Spector?).  
There's no need to suspect there's an attempt to hide a lack of ideas on non-linear recordings, just the opposite, something new is created, removed from the original sounds.  I find it pretty amazing when distortions enhance an artist's songs to the point where you don't even care about the band as much as just the way the record sounds.  Hearing the sum of parts, and not just "each part distinctly" is what can make it special.

Emptysockets makes a lot of generalizations, referring to a "ton of lo-fi bands".  Which bands?  Do you want to get into a discussion about that?  

At the end of the day, it's all what you like.  Nothing's better than anything else.
 
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Re: Future of the Left
« Reply #67 on: November 21, 2009, 12:28:59 AM »
Sounds like McClusky are going for something different from what you enjoy. Perhaps you'd enjoy them more in the context of what it is that they're going for as opposed to in the context of what you want out of them. It sounds like an Andrew WK sort of thing to say, but I agree with him on that particular point.

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Re: Future of the Left
« Reply #68 on: November 21, 2009, 04:10:29 AM »
I always felt McLusky were after an AmRep style production. I'd say they were closer to Brainiac (flailing, hyperactive, unhinged) than GO4 (deliberate, cerebral) too and even then it's some way off.
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Re: Future of the Left
« Reply #69 on: November 22, 2009, 09:19:13 PM »
Yeah, that might've come out a bit more snarky then I intended, fletcher.  Still, for future reference, it looks a bit silly to write, "I don't normally criticize things," right before you criticize something.  Own your feelings!

That said, I stand by my prior statement.  FOTL sound almost nothing like Gang of Four to my ears, apart maybe from prominent bass lines.

And I'm not sure what's so hugely original about Times New Viking, if originality is the thing you want to focus on.  Couldn't I just as easily say, "Times New Viking would sound original if I hadn't heard Guided By Voices and Television Personalities first?"  That their songs are fine, but pretty simple, and blah blah blah.  That argument goes nowhere, and it's just a game of, "Who's got the biggest music appreciation penis?"

What I find compelling about FOTL has a lot more to do with the odd structures of their music, and the lyrics.  (If you need specifics, fine, but I'd rather not get that wonky.) The production works to enhance or emphasize the qualities of this particular recording.  I wasn't making a statement about the general worth of said style of production.  The low fi thing works great for a lot of bands, but I don't find it interesting in and of itself.

Also, I have no idea what you mean by non-linear recordings.  Does it have something to do with the book Infinite Jest, maybe?

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Re: Future of the Left
« Reply #70 on: November 22, 2009, 10:07:15 PM »
Come on Rick!

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Re: Future of the Left
« Reply #71 on: November 23, 2009, 03:59:48 PM »
emptysockets, listening to a shitload of Mayhem and doing a stupid amount of blue may be clouding my musical judgment.

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Re: Future of the Left
« Reply #72 on: November 23, 2009, 07:52:42 PM »
emptysockets, listening to a shitload of Mayhem and doing a stupid amount of blue may be clouding my musical judgment.



Now THAT is a totally reasonable excuse.   You are forgiven!

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Re: Future of the Left
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Re: Future of the Left
« Reply #74 on: December 03, 2010, 02:06:18 PM »
Thanks for this thread guys! I was totally unaware of FOTL and especially Mclusky until today. Just downloaded Mclusky Does Dallas. This stuff is right up my alley. I'll be getting some FOTL as soon as I can too. I just may have a new favorite band(s).
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