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Re: Maine Election
« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2009, 10:56:37 AM »
I wonder what that gay man in the jean jacket is doing there?  He looks ambivalent, in any case.
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Re: Maine Election
« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2009, 11:09:33 AM »

Maine had 15% higher turnout than usual. That always depresses me so much about when gay marriage is on a ballot.  People can't get motivated to vote for real long-term issues like education, taxes that will have a real, direct impact on their state-- but gay marriage -- always gets the polls humming. Disgraceful.

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Re: Maine Election
« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2009, 11:14:45 AM »

Maine had 15% higher turnout than usual. That always depresses me so much about when gay marriage is on a ballot.  People can't get motivated to vote for real long-term issues like education, taxes that will have a real, direct impact on their state-- but gay marriage -- always gets the polls humming. Disgraceful.
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Re: Maine Election
« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2009, 11:49:41 AM »
Uhg. That photo.

Time to break out my "Embarrassed American" t-shirt again.
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Re: Maine Election
« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2009, 01:23:25 PM »
Why would the people pro-gay marriage allow for the question to be so intentionally confusingly worded?

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Re: Maine Election
« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2009, 01:57:27 PM »
I wonder what that gay man in the jean jacket is doing there?  He looks ambivalent, in any case.
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Re: Maine Election
« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2009, 02:15:39 PM »
Lost souls.  I pity them.


Look, I understand voting against all sorts of things based on how you were brought up, where you are in life, whatever.  But to get out and actively work on something that's solely done to hurt or hold back other members of the tribe?  I don't get that.  I don't get what that old lady has to pray about, either.

Anytime somebody's all-out against something that has anything to do with sex, their opposition is rooted in the same place.  They ought to have to wear a sign to that effect.
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Re: Maine Election
« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2009, 02:26:47 PM »

I don't get what that old lady has to pray about, either.


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Re: Maine Election
« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2009, 03:12:30 PM »
I take some comfort in the fact that Maine is an aging state.  I know plenty of young homophobes (mostly boys prone to homoerotic tomfoolery, which I have often pointed out, to their discomfort [I noticed a great deal of that kind of thing in the new FX sitcom The League, so it's not a monopoly of undereducated blue-collar types--which is both good and bad to know]), but I'd bet a tidy sum that it was the oldsters who came out in force to vote "yes" on this.  They'll die off soon enough or at least grow too infirm/exhausted to bother to vote.


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Re: Maine Election
« Reply #24 on: November 04, 2009, 03:26:45 PM »
This one just needs to be Wilberforced.

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Re: Maine Election
« Reply #25 on: November 04, 2009, 03:29:54 PM »
What bothers me is when people argue that gay marriage would somehow destroy the sanctity of marriage. What hypocrisy! In reality, the sanctity of marriage has already been damaged irreparably. What's the U.S. divorce rate? At least 50%, right? In the cradle of so-called "traditional values" (the Bible Belt), their divorce rates are actually higher than the national average. Where's the outrage over divorce? I just don't understand the sanctimony of the anti-gay marriage crowd. What happened to the idea of letting others live as they so choose? That this kind of bigotry still exists today is utterly disheartening.

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Re: Maine Election
« Reply #26 on: November 04, 2009, 08:51:30 PM »
What bothers me is when people argue that gay marriage would somehow destroy the sanctity of marriage. What hypocrisy! In reality, the sanctity of marriage has already been damaged irreparably. What's the U.S. divorce rate? At least 50%, right? In the cradle of so-called "traditional values" (the Bible Belt), their divorce rates are actually higher than the national average. Where's the outrage over divorce? I just don't understand the sanctimony of the anti-gay marriage crowd. What happened to the idea of letting others live as they so choose? That this kind of bigotry still exists today is utterly disheartening.

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Re: Maine Election
« Reply #27 on: November 05, 2009, 12:27:47 AM »
but I'd bet a tidy sum that it was the oldsters who came out in force to vote "yes" on this.  They'll die off soon enough or at least grow too infirm/exhausted to bother to vote.

I hope so. Something tells me it's not that easy, but I'm sure a lot of people said that in the 50's as well. But, I hope so.

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Re: Maine Election
« Reply #28 on: November 05, 2009, 08:58:48 AM »
What bothers me is when people argue that gay marriage would somehow destroy the sanctity of marriage. What hypocrisy! In reality, the sanctity of marriage has already been damaged irreparably. What's the U.S. divorce rate? At least 50%, right? In the cradle of so-called "traditional values" (the Bible Belt), their divorce rates are actually higher than the national average. Where's the outrage over divorce? I just don't understand the sanctimony of the anti-gay marriage crowd. What happened to the idea of letting others live as they so choose? That this kind of bigotry still exists today is utterly disheartening.  

I don't think it's hypocrisy as much as insecurity.  I'm pretty sure what's behind a lot of the opposition to gay marriage is panic.  The people it horrifies see the institution of marriage crumbling, don't know what to do to stop it, and latch onto gay marriage as a scapegoat.  They can then focus all their rage and confusion on this single enemy instead of facing up to the far more complicated problems behind the collapse of the sacrament they (supposedly) cherish so much (I wonder how many of them have gone through a divorce).
 
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I hope so. Something tells me it's not that easy, but I'm sure a lot of people said that in the 50's as well. But, I hope so.

It's never easy, but look how much has changed since the fifties.  Hell, since the seventies/eighties.  

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Re: Maine Election
« Reply #29 on: November 05, 2009, 09:28:51 AM »
Yes, those of us who remember the 70s (well, some of em anyway) and the 80s remember when you just didn't talk about such things.  No real gay characters on TV until Soap, of all things (unless you count Paul Lynde as a character).  Certainly no openly gay people at my high school - of course, some of them _were_ gay, we kind of knew it then but it wasn't an open thing.  Now Chapel Hill and Carrboro both have openly gay elected officials.

The progress example I use is this: in the Triangle of NC, an interracial couple still got stared at even in the mid 80s (thankfully, they wouldn't be actually confronted directly by that time).  It was a rarity, even in a racially diverse community, to have an interracial couple dating.

By the 2000s, and certainly by now, you'd be really surprised if you didn't see a certain percentage of interracial couples, and you don't generally give it a second thought.

In fact, that dude in Louisiana got driven out of office for taking a position that was probably true of 100% of LA judges in 1950 and at least 60% in 1970.

On this stuff, at least, we are moving rapidly forward as a society.
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