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The Southern Gentlemen
« on: June 01, 2011, 06:47:22 PM »
I imagine they were something like this:


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Re: The Southern Gentlemen
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2011, 08:43:08 AM »
By less than a minute in, they had already committed that linguistic mortal sin which is a tell-tale sign of a fake Southerner: Using "y'all" to refer to one person. "Y'all" is plural, y'all.

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Re: The Southern Gentlemen
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2011, 09:26:36 AM »
I thought the plural form was "all y'all."

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Re: The Southern Gentlemen
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2011, 10:52:37 AM »
I thought the plural form was "all y'all."

"All y'all" is a super plural, referring to more than one group of people.
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Re: The Southern Gentlemen
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2011, 11:20:27 AM »

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Re: The Southern Gentlemen
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2011, 03:23:20 PM »
You are all correct, and I should know: I served as linguistic consultant to John Schneider and Denver Pyle on the Dukes of Hazzard from 1979-1981 and 1983-1985.

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Re: The Southern Gentlemen
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2011, 06:46:04 PM »
Analysis:

http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2009

Interesting reading.

I can personally attest that the only time I've heard anyone use "y'all" in a singular sense is someone on TV pretending to be Southern. I have never heard this in the wild in its natural habitat (my mouth being part of that habitat.)
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Re: The Southern Gentlemen
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2011, 07:56:41 PM »
I think the "implied plural" notion accounts for the instances I may have heard from youse Southerners.

Maybe the same weird forces that made "you" singular in the first place will do their work on "y'all." 

Further discussion of this latter point at the bottom of this page: http://etymonline.com/columns/do-be-thee.htm

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Re: The Southern Gentlemen
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2011, 08:16:02 PM »
Analysis:

http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2009

Interesting reading.

I can personally attest that the only time I've heard anyone use "y'all" in a singular sense is someone on TV pretending to be Southern. I have never heard this in the wild in its natural habitat (my mouth being part of that habitat.)

I have to admit, "hey ya'll"'s been a standard greeting in my workaday vocabulary since I was a boy.

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Re: The Southern Gentlemen
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2011, 02:41:35 PM »
I was born in Alabama and raised Texas, and I've always heard "y'all" used as second person plural.  I think it's interested how English doesn't really have a standard for the second person plural and different regions have made up their own words for it, "ya'll" in the south, "yinz" in western PA, "youse" in the east.  I'd be interested in hearing what the other English speaking regions of the globe use for this like in Australia, England, South Africa, etc.
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Re: The Southern Gentlemen
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2011, 08:15:02 PM »
In England, there's "you lot," right?
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Re: The Southern Gentlemen
« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2011, 08:25:46 PM »
In Lubec, people say "you" and count on context.

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Re: The Southern Gentlemen
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2011, 08:39:28 PM »
In Lubec, people say "you" and count on context.

Then murder each other in the Clamfields.













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Re: The Southern Gentlemen
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2011, 08:49:53 PM »
Dave,

Perhaps the script should be written right here>

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Re: The Southern Gentlemen
« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2011, 12:24:43 AM »
In Lubec, people say "you" and count on context.

Then murder each other in the Clamfields.













Too soon?

Hey, that was never proven.