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FOT Community => General Discussion => Topic started by: Andy on November 17, 2007, 05:03:59 PM
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Anyone else noticed this board gets off topic quicker than any other board on the net? I'll ignore threads that are 5 pages long because I have no interest in the beginning topic only to find out that the thread veared 5 miles off course by the end of the first page.
I love it.
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If we try hard enough, we can turn any topic into a thread about our cats.
I walk my cat Sid on a leash. When he wants to go out, he climbs onto the arm of my chair and punches me in the shoulder.
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My cat's breath smells like cat food.
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My cat's breath smells like a dead baby's diaper.
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I don't have a cat. My finger smells like oatmeal.
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I like peaches and cream oatmeal.
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Oatmeal is supposed to have a calming effect on nervous dogs, especially older ones with weak legs. I plan to start feeding it to Bandit, who has gone a bit weird since his savaging this summer.
Off topic is reality--on topic is fascism!
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Are there any vegans here that have their pets on strict vegan diets? My friends have their dogs and cats on vegan diets. I'm not a vegan but it's pretty interesting to visit them and see this strict lifestyle that they live and pass down to even their pets.
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I deeply disapprove of vegetarian, much less vegan, diets for dogs and cats. Imposing such an utterly unnatural diet on one's helpless beasts strikes me as the height of arrogance. And I wouldn't be surprised if it hurts the animals as well. Cats, in particular, but even dogs. In fact, many vegans/vegetarians feed their beasts raw, setting aside their own notions about the morality of consuming meat and other animal products when it comes to their beasts on the reasoning that it is best to feed them what they would be consuming in nature. No cat or dog would ever be a vegetarian/vegan by choice.
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Hey, anyone else pick up the new Zeppelin "Mothership" comp? Makes the albums obsolete, I say!
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I think I agree with you Sarah but I've never had a pet or taken care of animals so I don't really know enough to make any arguments. They seem healthy though.
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And I wouldn't be surprised if it hurts the animals as well. Cats, in particular.
I can't even imagine a cat eating something that isn't oily, fragrant and fleshy. Never owned one, but used to feed my landlady's cats and they were particular about what they ingested, to say the least. In contrast, my dog Hank would (when he was younger) gobble up bits of paper that fell to the floor.
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I like peaches and cream oatmeal.
more of a cinnamon spice gent, myself
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I like peaches and cream oatmeal.
more of a cinnamon spice gent, myself
I started out being into Ginger Spice, but quickly dropped her for Scary. In the wanng years of their first go-around, I eventually developed a thing for Sporty. Always hated Posh, though. And Baby was, well, a baby.
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I started out being into Ginger Spice, but quickly dropped her for Scary. In the wanng years of their first go-around, I eventually developed a thing for Sporty. Always hated Posh, though. And Baby was, well, a baby.
I'm still aghast that Posh spice and David B. named their baby 'Brooklyn'. I mean, c'mon guys: don't use your kid's moniker as a feeble attempt to display some weird street cred.
the only shittier baby name I can think of is 'Gary'. I mean, who looks at a beautiful young infant and thinks "Yep, that's a Gary."
this only applies to babies named Gary. I guess teen-age and adult Garys are just fine.
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If memory serves, and I think it does, they named their spawn Brooklyn because that is where it was conceived. I can't remember if Brooklyn is a girl's or a boy's name. It's kind of girly, but I have a feeling Brooklyn's a boy.
I was never fond of Posh Spice "back in the day," but I kind of love her now. I was Ginger all the way back then. Even during my teenage punk days, I bought up all of the Spice Girl Chupa Chups I could and retrieved the choking hazard/sticker in the center of the lollies and stuck 'em on my walls.
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Brooklynne?
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I think I agree with you Sarah but I've never had a pet or taken care of animals so I don't really know enough to make any arguments. They seem healthy though.
You don't have to have taken care of one to make the argument to your vegan friends. Their animals are natural carnivores... it's just that simple. If your friends love animals so much they should be better to the ones they own.
My parent's dog looks like an armadillo when you put his little raincoat on. A neurotic armadillo....
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I think I agree with you Sarah but I've never had a pet or taken care of animals so I don't really know enough to make any arguments. They seem healthy though.
You don't have to have taken care of one to make the argument to your vegan friends. Their animals are natural carnivores... it's just that simple.
True - and I'm not saying you should raise veggie pets, but if I can throw one wrench in here, no industrial food is that simple. The crap that ends up in your average pet food is unbelievable, and I'm not sure if there have been any studies done on just how it's affecting them. If you're not prone to queasiness, check this out: http://www.homevet.com/petcare/foodbook.html
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Of course, and a great deal has been written on the subject (that and [over]vaccination). It's one of the reasons so many people are now making their animals' food at home. Too many, damn it: I'm having a hell of time getting an electric meat grinder at a good price off of eBay--too many people want one to grind bones for their beasts.
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I started out being into Ginger Spice, but quickly dropped her for Scary. In the wanng years of their first go-around, I eventually developed a thing for Sporty. Always hated Posh, though. And Baby was, well, a baby.
baby, posh and ginger are all from the same part of the world as me. i'm as proud as can be.
the two mels, though, are northern, so forget them!
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If memory serves, and I think it does, they named their spawn Brooklyn because that is where it was conceived. I can't remember if Brooklyn is a girl's or a boy's name. It's kind of girly, but I have a feeling Brooklyn's a boy.
I was never fond of Posh Spice "back in the day," but I kind of love her now. I was Ginger all the way back then. Even during my teenage punk days, I bought up all of the Spice Girl Chupa Chups I could and retrieved the choking hazard/sticker in the center of the lollies and stuck 'em on my walls.
I used to buy those too. I also love posh now. She's amazing--sometimes I wonder about the possibility of her being a high end sex robot.
I was a baby spice fan before. I don't know what I was thinking liking Baby, because she's now my least favorite.
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I used to think Ginger was hot, then I realized she was totally pedestrian. I looked past Sporty's theme-wear and realized she was the hottest Spice Girl, and I do believe that conviction has withstood the test of time.
You gotta be kiddin' me about that Mothership album, rover.
I don't have a cat. More of a dog person. I think you gotta feed these things meat, though. I can't even conceive of a cat being a vegan. That makes no sense at all. Why not just NOT have a cat.
My girlfriend and I got in a huge fight with a friend of ours over cats vs. dogs. We weren't even saying that dogs were better than cats, just that dogs are more emotional and emotionally available than cats, and she was all "That's cause dogs are fucking stupid!"
Hey, did anyone ever see that Mark McKinney "I'm a Cat" sketch on Kids in the Hall? That was one of the most weirdly unfunny things I've ever seen.
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So being emotional and emotionally available means one is stupid? Jeepers. Although if she's right that means I'm pretty fucking smart, so I should agree with her, right?
And, yes, I've seen those McKinney bits. Never quite understood the point of 'em. He was not my favorite Kid, in any case.
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dogs ARE fucking stupid. that's why scientists often refer to them as 'mother nature's retards'
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Cat's are mother nature's fucking assholes.
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How dare you.
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Cat's are mother nature's fucking assholes.
My cats are ladies! How dare you think of them as anything less than the graceful beasties they've proven to be!!!!!
Dogs eat poop.
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My kitties are perfect gentlemen who not only cuddle, purr, and provide endless comic relief, they also help control the mouse population in my farmhouse. kitties of the world i salute you!
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In any case, my comment had more to do with the fact that JJ's girlfriend equated emotionality and emotional openness with stupidity.
I just read the article TL linked to about what's in commercial animal food (my favorite ingredient? "dehydrated paunch products"). It sure made me feel a lot less guilty about feeding my cats supermarket chicken sometimes (.79/pound as opposed to $3/pound for organic). And I think an animal on a homemade vegan diet might be better off than one eating the poison we can buy for them in the grocery store.
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Yeah, that article TL posted was pretty gross. I wonder if that applies to stuff like Science Diet or the food we buy from our vet's office. It's still commercially produced food, but I don't know if there's any difference between that and the Purina etc. stuff. I'm definitely going to do some further checking.
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Moving on from pet food for a minute, anyone read Michael Pollan's, "The Omnivore's Dilemma" (http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0143038583/ref=sib_dp_pt/103-8052027-4002215#reader-link (http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0143038583/ref=sib_dp_pt/103-8052027-4002215#reader-link))? I'm truly "lost in the supermarket" these days...
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Moving on from pet food for a minute, anyone read Michael Pollan's, "The Omnivore's Dilemma" (http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0143038583/ref=sib_dp_pt/103-8052027-4002215#reader-link (http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0143038583/ref=sib_dp_pt/103-8052027-4002215#reader-link))? I'm truly "lost in the supermarket" these days...
I have not yet, but my mother read this and then promptly called me to apologize for the "diet she raised us on". I am curious.
The vegan pet portion of this loose thread got me thinking about the theory of blood types having to do with which humans are "natural carnivores" and which are descended from less blood thirsty protein seekers.
I'd be curious to hear what TL (or any other vegetarians/vegans) has heard or read on this subject.
Take me to school.
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any FOT guitar heroes here? I know it's a longshot.
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I have not yet, but my mother read this and then promptly called me to apologize for the "diet she raised us on". I am curious.
The vegan pet portion of this loose thread got me thinking about the theory of blood types having to do with which humans are "natural carnivores" and which are descended from less blood thirsty protein seekers.
I'd be curious to hear what TL (or any other vegetarians/vegans) has heard or read on this subject.
Take me to school.
Dang - your mom shouldn't blame herself - we've all been sold a crock of high-fructose corn syrup on this one. Who knew? But without getting too into it, this is what I was hinting at with the "industrial food" comment in re pet food. The horroRs (-ed) of slaughter houses are not new to most people, but the horrors of industrial farmed corn? Ew buoy...
As far as that blood type diet goes, honestly, when you mentioned it I remembered hearing about it at some point, but I know nothing about it. On that subject, my school ain't worth the tuition, but I'll definitely look into it!
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In any case, my comment had more to do with the fact that JJ's girlfriend equated emotionality and emotional openness with stupidity.
I just read the article TL linked to about what's in commercial animal food (my favorite ingredient? "dehydrated paunch products"). It sure made me feel a lot less guilty about feeding my cats supermarket chicken sometimes (.79/pound as opposed to $3/pound for organic). And I think an animal on a homemade vegan diet might be better off than one eating the poison we can buy for them in the grocery store.
Allow me to explain. My gf was and I were both making a case for emotional openness being a trait (symbolic and actual) of dogs and dogness. A friend of ours then equated that with stupidity, and thus a really contentious argument began (because we think emotionality can be a good and NOT stupid thing).
As for calling dogs retards, would you be so quick to condemn the FOT Mascot Dogmo!?
In all total honesty, though, I'm getting pretty fried on all the cat-loving going on on this board as of late. Cat talk and cat pictures ---take it down a notch.
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Cat talk and cat pictures ---take it down a notch.
It's dial it down a notch.
Also, no.
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better?
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(http://gagethedog.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/fatdog1.jpg)
This one relates to two of the topics in this thread.
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Moving on from pet food for a minute, anyone read Michael Pollan's, "The Omnivore's Dilemma" (http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0143038583/ref=sib_dp_pt/103-8052027-4002215#reader-link (http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0143038583/ref=sib_dp_pt/103-8052027-4002215#reader-link))? I'm truly "lost in the supermarket" these days...
My mom is currently reading that. I called her one day, and she said, "Hi, Laurie, I'm reading about corn sex."
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better?
;D
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My mom is currently reading that. I called her one day, and she said, "Hi, Laurie, I'm reading about corn sex."
;D
Too many "Filthy" jokes here to even begin...
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My mom is currently reading that. I called her one day, and she said, "Hi, Laurie, I'm reading about corn sex."
;D
Too many "Filthy" jokes here to even begin...
You read the book! It's in there!
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You read the book! It's in there!
Indeed it is - in all its hybridized, eunuched, sliks-at-the-tip-of-the-ear-for-nothing-any-longer, glory!
I was just kiddin', Laurie.
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Cat talk and cat pictures ---take it down a notch.
It's dial it down a notch.
Also, no.
You = Beat Up.
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I'm with the Junk on this one.
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1. JJ, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Science diet, prescription diets, etc., all contain the same gunk as Ol' Roy. I know Iams, at least, uses zoo kill. Natura and some other pricey brands claim to use all human-grade ingredients in their foods, however. Be all that as it may, as you know, my cats are already on homemade, and the dogs will be on it exclusively as soon as I finish up their extremely fancy--and wholesome--kibble (which I only bought to tide me over while Bandit and I were recovering, anyway). I gave up on vaccinations a few years ago when my beloved Roger (dog) died as a result of them.
2. TL, my madder sister has read that book. She said it was great, and I believe her, despite her lunacy.
3. Re cats, hey, I love 'em, but if I had to choose one species over the other, I'd take dogs. I don't know what it is about cats that makes people go on and on about them the way they do. There are way more cute cat sites than cute dog sites, for example. I don't get it. Dogs are lovely, damn it!
Only a couple of months till the Puppy Bowl!
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any FOT guitar heroes here? I know it's a longshot.
If Andy from Knoxville counts, that's one. He WANTS to be FOT, but he's scared to death of Tom since Tom dumped him while he was trying to get through to Seth Galiafianiakias (who lives, according to his description, about 6 miles from my mother in law.)
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Yeah, I only feed my kittoons cat food made from human grade stuff. Like I said, they eat better than I do.
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he's scared to death of Tom
It probably doesn't help that his daddy is always bad-mouthing him to Tom, making GOMPing even more likely. I don't blame you, mind; I'd be pretty miffed if my mother tried to horn in on the Best Show.
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I started out being into Ginger Spice, but quickly dropped her for Scary. In the wanng years of their first go-around, I eventually developed a thing for Sporty. Always hated Posh, though. And Baby was, well, a baby.
I'm still aghast that Posh spice and David B. named their baby 'Brooklyn'. I mean, c'mon guys: don't use your kid's moniker as a feeble attempt to display some weird street cred.
the only shittier baby name I can think of is 'Gary'. I mean, who looks at a beautiful young infant and thinks "Yep, that's a Gary."
this only applies to babies named Gary. I guess teen-age and adult Garys are just fine.
i have a hard drive named gary.
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any FOT guitar heroes here? I know it's a longshot.
If Andy from Knoxville counts, that's one. He WANTS to be FOT, but he's scared to death of Tom since Tom dumped him while he was trying to get through to Seth Galiafianiakias (who lives, according to his description, about 6 miles from my mother in law.)
I don't believe there is any kind of application or hazing period to become an FOT. I think you just wake up one morning and ARE one.
or maybe you officially are once you receive your membership card, and the period before that is probationary.
either way, tell AFK to rest assured, he's a FOT.
He should still record a 13 minute Dixie Dregs-style guitar wanksterpiece, entitled Theme for a GOMP IV (Hesh's Return), and send it to Tom.
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I started out being into Ginger Spice, but quickly dropped her for Scary. In the wanng years of their first go-around, I eventually developed a thing for Sporty. Always hated Posh, though. And Baby was, well, a baby.
I'm still aghast that Posh spice and David B. named their baby 'Brooklyn'. I mean, c'mon guys: don't use your kid's moniker as a feeble attempt to display some weird street cred.
the only shittier baby name I can think of is 'Gary'. I mean, who looks at a beautiful young infant and thinks "Yep, that's a Gary."
this only applies to babies named Gary. I guess teen-age and adult Garys are just fine.
i have a hard drive named gary.
I have two external harddrives: Penelope & Giuseppe.
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any FOT guitar heroes here? I know it's a longshot.
If Andy from Knoxville counts, that's one. He WANTS to be FOT, but he's scared to death of Tom since Tom dumped him while he was trying to get through to Seth Galiafianiakias (who lives, according to his description, about 6 miles from my mother in law.)
I don't believe there is any kind of application or hazing period to become an FOT. I think you just wake up one morning and ARE one.
or maybe you officially are once you receive your membership card, and the period before that is probationary.
either way, tell AFK to rest assured, he's a FOT.
He should still record a 13 minute Dixie Dregs-style guitar wanksterpiece, entitled Theme for a GOMP IV (Hesh's Return), and send it to Tom.
Mmmm, AFK doesn't play guitar. He's a drummer. I'M the guitar dude, but I'm no Ted Leo.
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I like the Michael Pollan book, and actually taught an excerpt from it in one of my Rutgers classes, but there is something a little problematic to me about that way of looking at environmentalism and a conscious diet, namely that there is no class-consciousness there. Industrial fast food is horrible, but it's all that many people can afford (the $-poor tend to be time-poor as well). The kind of diet that Pollan is endorsing is pretty bougie and NY Times-ish.
This is not to say that there aren't good ways to address this - I love NYC's Greenmarket program, and a lot of the food is just as available to working New Yorkers as it is to Manhattan restaurateurs. And I seem to recall programs in enlightened West Coast cities to use organic and/or locally-sourced food for public school lunches.
Jesus, what am I doing!? I have no time for this thread! I'm supposed to be writing pages for 6pm tonight!
Speaking of theater:
I liked all of Tom's theater references in the last show, and sadly many of them are dead on. Mediocrity rules everywhere, so theater should be no exception, but the easy-target, politically correct one-person show with the classic rock pre-show music is ubiquitous and evil and must be stopped. And The Producers was, while not the worst thing I've seen on Broadway, completely overrated and nowhere near as funny as the 1968 movie.
Also: are any of the theater FOT interested in radio drama? Forrest, Dorvid, Ughwhy? If so, PM me, for reals. I'm working on an audio project and need a fairly large rotating stable of collaborators.
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My cat Lucy likes to shun that Mummies album.
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Guys, could we please keep this thread on-topic?
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I like oatmeal!
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These berries taste like burning.
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Mmmm, AFK doesn't play guitar. He's a drummer. I'M the guitar dude, but I'm no Ted Leo.
DFK, you know I can fudge my way around the 4-stringed lawnmower, right? I've got two words for ya:
POWER FREAKIN' TRIO.
Nothing too serious, just love to play. My main inspirations are Beatles,Stones,Who,Cream,Zeppelin,Allman Bros,Kinks,Zappa,Hendrix,Traffic,Mule,Bowie,Heads,Jeff Beck....Also into avante garde and blues. Wouldn't mind starting a classic rock cover band, or an experimental type band.
Pretty open to anything weather it be learning/playing songs, or just jamming.
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Bobo, you're walking down my alley. I can't tell you how many times I have played Down By the River in a dark corner of a fly-by-night dive. There's lots of oldies in my past. Sweet Melissa, Motown, Doors, really anything those drunks asked us to play we tried. Word Up! My Prerogative! Beat on the Brat! Hell, we even played Black Friday a time or two. Don't hold it against me. Unless you have a beautiful body! Umm, wait
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There's that incorrigible libido raising its ugly head again, DFK. You better hope Tom doesn't read every thread on this board; he might begin to question your suitability for the kind of family show he is proud to host.
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POWER FREAKIN' TRIO.
Yes! You guys can be Petey's Crazy Horse.