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Humans continue to make a name for themselves
« on: February 18, 2008, 11:01:56 PM »
Haven't we done enough?  Even though we've been doing it for thousands of years now...killing people and animals.  I mean, christ.  Enough already.  There's really no need.  I'm no hippie johnny either.  Marie Laure (my wife) read an Australian character named Peter Singer, and went vegan about a year ago.  I was vegetarian during the LSD days of my youth.  Went back to "meh." meat eating a few years ago.  I started with organic etc etc then soon enough back to "fuck it man."  Just gross.  And no need, of course.  I just wanted to drop a line to those of us who're sitting on the fence, meat-eating wise.  Me, I'm hopping off that filthy fence, shamefacedly.  This is the stuff of nightmares and cold sweats.

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Re: Humans continue to make a name for themselves
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2008, 11:44:47 PM »
good choice
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Re: Humans continue to make a name for themselves
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2008, 11:42:26 AM »
Haven't we done enough?  Even though we've been doing it for thousands of years now...killing people and animals.  I mean, christ.  Enough already.  There's really no need.  I'm no hippie johnny either.  Marie Laure (my wife) read an Australian character named Peter Singer, and went vegan about a year ago.  I was vegetarian during the LSD days of my youth.  Went back to "meh." meat eating a few years ago.  I started with organic etc etc then soon enough back to "fuck it man."  Just gross.  And no need, of course.  I just wanted to drop a line to those of us who're sitting on the fence, meat-eating wise.  Me, I'm hopping off that filthy fence, shamefacedly.  This is the stuff of nightmares and cold sweats.

i enjoy living the vegetarian lifestyle...but its damn expensive.  unless i want to live off peanut butter jelly sandwiches and top ramen soup.

any low cost options, folks?

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Re: Humans continue to make a name for themselves
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2008, 12:17:38 PM »
cheese pizza
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« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2008, 12:20:09 PM »
I'm pretty sure a vegetarian diet would be cheaper for me, since wholesome, kindly raised meat is madly expensive.  The thing is, even if I became a vegetarian, I would not feel right imposing that choice on my dogs and could not impose it on my cats, so I'd have to buy meat for them regardless.  And since I'm not rich enough to feed them meat from nicely raised beasts,* and the bulk of the meat I buy is intended for them, I would continue to feel like an immoral (in some ways) monster even if I ceased to eat meat altogether.

*This morning, for example, I bought $20.75 worth of chicken leg/thigh quarters, which will supply my dogs with breakfast for about two weeks.  The same amount of chicken bought from the local organic farm would have cost me almost $100.  The meat I need for their supper would similarly cost me about $100 for a two-week supply of what I think of as good meat, whereas I could get the equivalent amount from the supermarket for $28.  Thus it would cost me $200 every two weeks to feed them good meat, compared to $50.  Add another $260 annually for the cats, and the cost of feeding my animals good meat for a year would amount to about $4,000.  If I stopped feeding my beasts supermarket meat, I'd have to buy packaged animal food, and I suspect the treatment of many of the animals that yield the meat that goes into that is even worse than what's shown in those clips.  I have, in other words, chosen what I think is the lesser of this particular evil, given my extremely modest income.  Although, come to think of it, breaking down the costs this way is making me think I should at least switch the cats to good meat.  So that's something.

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Re: Humans continue to make a name for themselves
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2008, 02:27:42 PM »
cheese pizza

every day?...i wish!
cheese pizza=pizza face

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Re: Humans continue to make a name for themselves
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2008, 03:01:13 PM »
Haven't we done enough?  Even though we've been doing it for thousands of years now...killing people and animals.  I mean, christ.  Enough already.  There's really no need.  I'm no hippie johnny either.  Marie Laure (my wife) read an Australian character named Peter Singer, and went vegan about a year ago.  I was vegetarian during the LSD days of my youth.  Went back to "meh." meat eating a few years ago.  I started with organic etc etc then soon enough back to "fuck it man."  Just gross.  And no need, of course.  I just wanted to drop a line to those of us who're sitting on the fence, meat-eating wise.  Me, I'm hopping off that filthy fence, shamefacedly.  This is the stuff of nightmares and cold sweats.

i enjoy living the vegetarian lifestyle...but its damn expensive.  unless i want to live off peanut butter jelly sandwiches and top ramen soup.

any low cost options, folks?

learn to cook.
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Re: Humans continue to make a name for themselves
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2008, 03:40:55 PM »
I'm pretty sure a vegetarian diet would be cheaper for me, since wholesome, kindly raised meat is madly expensive.  The thing is, even if I became a vegetarian, I would not feel right imposing that choice on my dogs and could not impose it on my cats, so I'd have to buy meat for them regardless.  And since I'm not rich enough to feed them meat from nicely raised beasts,* and the bulk of the meat I buy is intended for them, I would continue to feel like an immoral (in some ways) monster even if I ceased to eat meat altogether.

*This morning, for example, I bought $20.75 worth of chicken leg/thigh quarters, which will supply my dogs with breakfast for about two weeks.  The same amount of chicken bought from the local organic farm would have cost me almost $100.  The meat I need for their supper would similarly cost me about $100 for a two-week supply of what I think of as good meat, whereas I could get the equivalent amount from the supermarket for $28.  Thus it would cost me $200 every two weeks to feed them good meat, compared to $50.  Add another $260 annually for the cats, and the cost of feeding my animals good meat for a year would amount to about $4,000.  If I stopped feeding my beasts supermarket meat, I'd have to buy packaged animal food, and I suspect the treatment of many of the animals that yield the meat that goes into that is even worse than what's shown in those clips.  I have, in other words, chosen what I think is the lesser of this particular evil, given my extremely modest income.  Although, come to think of it, breaking down the costs this way is making me think I should at least switch the cats to good meat.  So that's something.


Maybe you would save money if you fed your dogs dog food instead of chicken?

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Re: Humans continue to make a name for themselves
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2008, 04:18:50 PM »
cheese pizza

every day?...i wish!
cheese pizza=pizza face

Here's a super cheap recipe for veggie chili. I used to eat it in college ALL the time.

This version uses canned veggies, but I prefer to make it with fresh ones:

1 Can light red kidney beans
1 Can dark red kidney beans
1 Can tomatoes (diced - if you like spicy chili get Rotel tomatoes and use two cans)
1 Small can tomato sauce
1 Can of water (use tomato can -- it gets all the juices out)
1 Diced green pepper
1 Diced onion
1 Diced Red pepper (omit if they're too expensive)
1 Can sliced carrots
1 Can corn
Diced jalapeno (optional)
3tbs Cumin
3tbs chili powder
Garlic powder
Olive oil
Cilantro or oregano (optional)

Sautee onion and pepper in olive oil til soft. Drain and add the rest of the veggies (except tomatoes) and beans. Add tomato sauce, tomatoes and water and spices. Simmer on low for a few hours until you taste it and all the flavors have come together.

A whole pot of this can cost as little as 7 bucks. Having Cumin and Chili powder around is a very good idea because you can throw both spices onto ANYTHING to give them a nice mexican taste. You can also throw a little extra water in, and then add a half cup of dry rice during the last half hour of cooking. This makes the chili very hearty and thick.
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Re: Humans continue to make a name for themselves
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2008, 05:41:09 PM »
If I stopped feeding my beasts supermarket meat, I'd have to buy packaged animal food, and I suspect the treatment of many of the animals that yield the meat that goes into that is even worse than what's shown in those clips.  I have, in other words, chosen what I think is the lesser of this particular evil, given my extremely modest income. 

Maybe you would save money if you fed your dogs dog food instead of chicken?

Your issue was addressed in the original post, wiseguy.  I edited it down for clarity. 

I stopped eating beef awhile ago.  It's a start anyway.  My girlfriend's a vegetarian so I don't eat a ton of meat at home.

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Re: Humans continue to make a name for themselves
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2008, 05:58:26 PM »
I feel that vegetarianism is very hard for a person with little time and almost all of us are in that boat. I found when I tried a vegetarian diet that it took a lot of time to prepare a meal that would sustain me until the next meal time. A meat eater has plenty of on-the go semi-healthy options. There's little veggie options unless you prepare something for yourself and even then you have to have ingredients on hand and have plenty of recipes so your diet doesn't become monotonous. Vegetarianism is a lifestyle and for most people that just isn't practical.

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Re: Humans continue to make a name for themselves
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2008, 06:04:10 PM »
ugh.

someone please kill this thread before I go nuts
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Re: Humans continue to make a name for themselves
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2008, 06:12:48 PM »
If I stopped feeding my beasts supermarket meat, I'd have to buy packaged animal food, and I suspect the treatment of many of the animals that yield the meat that goes into that is even worse than what's shown in those clips.  I have, in other words, chosen what I think is the lesser of this particular evil, given my extremely modest income.

Maybe you would save money if you fed your dogs dog food instead of chicken?

Your issue was addressed in the original post, wiseguy.  I edited it down for clarity. 

Whoops, I missed that part in Sarah's post. I suck.

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Re: Humans continue to make a name for themselves
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2008, 06:18:25 PM »
ugh.

someone please kill this thread before I go nuts. granola. tempeh. Cliff Bar. dairy. pork-product.
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Re: Humans continue to make a name for themselves
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2008, 06:27:15 PM »
ok, I'm gonna try to do without being to insulting.

1. being vegetarian or vegan is not expensive if you don't want it to be.. you're being lazy and ignorant if you think there's nothing for someone on a budget to eat thats cheap and also nutritious. just because its at whole foods doesn't make it healthy. take 5 minutes, do some research.

2. Gilly, I'm sorry but thats just insane. If you're so busy that you can't take 20 minutes to prepare a simple meal you need to seriously reevaluate your life. as for food on the go, why not take the time you spent posting the message board today and see if you can find any places with vegetarian alternatives in your area?

Living this "lifestyle" is nowhere near as hard as people seem to think it is.
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