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« Reply #75 on: July 16, 2008, 10:30:00 AM »
Ahhh!  How could you fall asleep to A Woman is a Woman or Breathless or Band of Outsiders?

To be fair, Breathless is the only one of those that I've seen (I've seen a couple of others - Masculin/Feminin, that King Lear that he did, I think there have to have been others.  So I'm still willing to have my socks knocked off, but yeah, it just hasn't done it for me so far.  Something about the weird cutting leaves me cold for some reason.  But I'm still working my way through his oeuvre.

Jason, help me out here.  What don't I get about Neil LaBute?

I think you get it.  He writes the same play or movie over and over again about twice a year, and it wasn't that great to begin with.  Everyone I know in the theater world thinks that his work sucks and that critics and theaters in the US and UK fawn all over it because he had success in film (though it was really just the first one) and then became a playwright, which never, ever happens.  It's pretty much just another example of the sort of pathetic, low-level starfucking one sees throughout theater, the literary equivalent of casting Tina Yothers in a new play because she's a "draw."

Anyway, people say he's a nice guy (never met him), but his work blows.

I'm just really suspicious of anyone who really loves "A Clockwork Orange," especially if he (and it's always guys) has an Alex poster on his wall. Be honest--do people who really love this movie enough to watch it repeatedly kind of enjoy the rape scenes?  In a purely unironic way? 

This is pretty insightful.  I think both the movie and the book are really good, but once was enough for both of them.  What gets routinely missed by the Alex-worshipping hipster goons is the fact that it's supposed to be a real discussion about crime vs. civil liberties (much of which gets lost in the film, probably because Kubrick was a stylist above all else).  Here's a really wrenching factoid for ya: the event that happens to the victims in the book had happened in real-life to the book's author, Anthony Burgess (presumably not the singing and stuff, but who knows?).  He had to drink heavily while writing it in order to get through it.
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« Reply #76 on: July 16, 2008, 10:45:54 AM »
I can easily see the type who really likes A Clockwork Orange or Seven turning into the type who really likes Neil LaBute movies when they get older. It's probably a good idea to remain suspicious.
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« Reply #77 on: July 16, 2008, 10:47:11 AM »

-Anything starring Ben Stiller (with the exception of "Flirting With Disaster," which is kind of good.)  This includes "Meet the Parents," "Dodgeball," and ESPECIALLY "Reality Bites" and "Your Friends and Neighbors."

I still think Zoolander and There's Something About Mary are excellent. I don't care much about his other movies.


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« Reply #78 on: July 16, 2008, 11:08:41 AM »
The problem with Clockwork Orange (the book) to me is that it distracts attention from the fact that Burgess is actually a really great and erudite author who's written a lot of great other books in wildly different styles.

The best thing about the movie Clockwork Orange is those little tapes that Alex listened to.

I like Breathless because it's stylish.  Godard was the Sofia Coppola of his day. Those movies are about handsome people wearing cool clothes in interesting circumstances.  But Truffaut made movies that are more engaging.  And who did that one movie about the little boy walking around town?  He goes to a tilt-a-whirl?  I can never keep these guys straight.  And I've also gotta say that I enjoy American and Italian movies (like Il Posto) of the same time period a lot more.

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« Reply #79 on: July 16, 2008, 11:36:45 AM »
I watched a few Godard movies while I was in college and never got too excited about them either way. Recently I decided to give him another try and watched (or rather tried to watch) Alphaville. Ew buoy. Awfulville is more like it, am I right ladies and gentlemen?
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« Reply #80 on: July 16, 2008, 11:41:15 AM »
And who did that one movie about the little boy walking around town?  He goes to a tilt-a-whirl?

Truffaut, The 400 Blows.  Awesome movie, definitely in my top 10 (along with Casablanca, Silence of The Lambs, Children of Men, Caddyshack, Sunset Boulevard, Fanny & Alexander, Vertigo, Mulholland Drive, I'll have to get back to you on #10).
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« Reply #81 on: July 16, 2008, 11:45:19 AM »
I watched a few Godard movies while I was in college and never got too excited about them either way. Recently I decided to give him another try and watched (or rather tried to watch) Alphaville. Ew buoy. Awfulville is more like it, am I right ladies and gentlemen?

No way! I was about to suggest Alphaville as the one to win over skeptics. I love it.

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« Reply #82 on: July 16, 2008, 11:49:41 AM »
And who did that one movie about the little boy walking around town?  He goes to a tilt-a-whirl?

Truffaut, The 400 Blows.  Awesome movie, definitely in my top 10 (along with Casablanca, Silence of The Lambs, Children of Men, Caddyshack, Sunset Boulevard, Fanny & Alexander, Vertigo, Mulholland Drive, I'll have to get back to you on #10).

I was about to write that the only Godard movie I've seen is 400 Blows. But then I googled it.  Great movie.

I think your #10 should be another French movie "The Wages of Fear," or perhaps the French-Canadian "Leolo."

Children of Men? Really?

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« Reply #83 on: July 16, 2008, 11:53:51 AM »

-Anything starring Ben Stiller (with the exception of "Flirting With Disaster," which is kind of good.)  This includes "Meet the Parents," "Dodgeball," and ESPECIALLY "Reality Bites" and "Your Friends and Neighbors."

I still think Zoolander and There's Something About Mary are excellent. I don't care much about his other movies.



Agreed. I can also understand people detesting the Farrelly Bros for all their work after There's something About Mary, but I think Kingpin/Dumb and Dumber/Something About Mary is a great comedy trilogy. Plus who can dislike Jonathan Richman in Something About Mary?

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« Reply #84 on: July 16, 2008, 12:00:22 PM »
I forgot about "There's Something About Mary" and "Zoolander."  I guess those are good, too.

Best line in "There's Something About Mary":

"I'm moving to Miami to work for Rice-A-Roni."
"Really? I thought that was the San Francisco treat."
"Yeah, well, they're changing their image.

Cracks me up every time.

Jason's #10 favorite movie happens to be my #1 favorite movie of all time, which, of course, is "Clueless."

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« Reply #85 on: July 16, 2008, 12:06:08 PM »
I hate My Big Fat Greek Wedding so, so much.  I hate the acting.  I hate the directing.  I hate the plot.  I hate the character arcs.  I hate the novelty of the character that tried to fix everything with Windex.  And I hate that so many people liked it.

Ha!

I used to work in an art theatre in a suburban mall, and right as we were literally about to go out of business Greek Wedding opened up and played to sold out crowds of housewives daily for 9 months straight and kept us open. Despite this fact, the eccentric, bitter aspiring screenwriter who managed the place at the time decided after viewing it that it was the most evil, soul-killing film ever made, and embarked on a campaign to destroy it, despite the fact that it literally saved all of our jobs singlehandedly. Showings would start later and later, he would "forget" to include showtimes for it in the newspaper ads for the theatre, and he would literally argue with every customer - hundreds daily - who tried to buy a ticket for it. Like, actively disparage it to their faces at the ticket counter and try to discourage them from seeing it. Short of refusing to screen it at all, I literally don't think he could have done anything more to prevent people from seeing that film. Despite this, the film was unstoppable, and literally made at LEAST a couple hundred thousand dollars at our tiny theatre that year.

I don't really have any opinion one way or the other on My Big Fat Greek Wedding. I mean, I'm sure it sucks, but I've never seen it. That just brought that memory back to me. Heady days, indeed....
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« Reply #86 on: July 16, 2008, 12:09:31 PM »


Jason's #10 favorite movie happens to be my #1 favorite movie of all time, which, of course, is "Clueless."


I had that whole movie memorized at one point.

"Okay, so I know what you're thinking. Like, is this a Noxema commercial or what?"....and so on.

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« Reply #87 on: July 16, 2008, 12:19:05 PM »
Children of Men? Really?

Yep.  I have to make sure that it holds up to repeated viewings, but I really do think that it hits my favorite sweet spot of dystopian sci-fi, social commenary, and innovative filmmaking.  I have a whole separate top-whatever list for this (some of them pure camp, like Planet of the Apes), but like Slavoj Zizek says on the DVD commenary, in Cueron movies the real story takes place in the background.
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« Reply #88 on: July 16, 2008, 12:24:02 PM »

Yep.  I have to make sure that it holds up to repeated viewings, but I really do think that it hits my favorite sweet spot of dystopian sci-fi, social commenary, and innovative filmmaking.  I have a whole separate top-whatever list for this (some of them pure camp, like Planet of the Apes), but like Slavoj Zizek says on the DVD commenary, in Cueron movies the real story takes place in the background.

Nicely said. I liked (and have never seen or heard anyone point out - maybe I just haven't been looking for it) that all that stuff happening in the background - all the dystopian stuff, basically - is stuff that's already happening all over of the world. It's only the privileged few, the intended audience, that would read it as sci-fi.

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« Reply #89 on: July 16, 2008, 01:21:18 PM »
+1 to votes for Rushmore, The Royal Tennenbaums, Happiness, Magnolia, and Punch-Drunk Love.
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