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Re: Dear FOT,
« Reply #60 on: September 20, 2008, 09:52:05 AM »
everyone (including me) is concerned about indulging in Cory Doctorow-ish BS, accidentally or on purpose, and I'm hoping the FOT will keep me honest.

I deeply admire this. The subject matter is actually pretty fascinating and relevant, but it's advocates have the habit of being so smug and obnoxiously "counter culture" about it, I think it gets less attention than it deserves.

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Re: Dear FOT,
« Reply #61 on: September 20, 2008, 10:03:20 AM »
everyone (including me) is concerned about indulging in Cory Doctorow-ish BS, accidentally or on purpose, and I'm hoping the FOT will keep me honest.

I deeply admire this. The subject matter is actually pretty fascinating and relevant, but it's advocates have the habit of being so smug and obnoxiously "counter culture" about it, I think it gets less attention than it deserves.

Thanks, RJ.  I think I got the job because I was really frank about wanting to problematize the issue - what I most want to avoid is this Pollyannaish techno-utopianism where the whole movie is saying, "let's just make everything free and things will be great!"  The fact is that, to some degree, having human transactions hyper-mediated by capitalism (whether in the form of money or technology) makes things easier or more convenient.  And people are dysfunctional -- left to our own devices, we'll just as often recapitulate larger structures of power (i.e., act like corporations).  But when contrasted with the radical corporatization of everything -- water, culture, DNA, the government, health care, food -- suddenly the idea of sharing starts to look pretty good.

Oh, hey, I also found out I have a show in Seattle in March.  I think it's pretty low-budget, so I don't know if they'll bring me out.  Do you know Theater Schmeater?  They seem nice, but their name makes me feel like Spike started a theater troupe.
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Re: Dear FOT,
« Reply #62 on: September 20, 2008, 11:42:18 AM »
That is awesome, let me know when and I will definitely see your show! I do know of Theater Schmeater, though I haven't ever worked with them. They put on some of the more decent shows around here though from what I have seen there. The one instance that immediately comes to mind is a couple of winters past when they took on a few episodes of The Twilight Zone. It was a wonderful low budget show! So, I'd say you are probably in safe hands. That being said, Spike very well may have enjoyed the hell out of it himself, but to me that is something of a strange endorsement.

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Re: Dear FOT,
« Reply #63 on: September 20, 2008, 12:05:16 PM »
Actually, it's much cooler.  I won't get too detailed about it, but it's generally about copyleft/anti-privatization issues and everyone (including me) is concerned about indulging in Cory Doctorow-ish BS, accidentally or on purpose, and I'm hoping the FOT will keep me honest.   

Have you read "The Wealth of Networks"?  Good stuff.

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« Reply #64 on: September 20, 2008, 12:13:46 PM »
Theater Schmeater is good stuff, but pretty low-budget yeah.

Definitely keep that show info posted Jason, I'd be interested in seeing it for sure.

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Re: Dear FOT,
« Reply #65 on: September 20, 2008, 01:24:08 PM »
I'd say that I'm a reformed techno-utopian.

A not-so-benevolent dictator-- whether it's the author of a piece of art or a Steve Jobs just declaring what the company will do and what the market will like--in most creative domains can lead to better results than turning everything into a "democracy."  Scare quotes because wikipedia etc. are more "people with a lot of free time-ocracies."  And guess what.  Certain models that lead to good results require certain IP laws.  Therefore those laws should exist.  Where the content industry gets excessively hung up on its made up "rights," the Cory Doctorows of the world get excessively hung up on "user's rights."

But, I'm still very fond of wikipedia and the chance for these wacky computers to do things like allow people to collaborate in making textbooks free for poor kids.  It's definitely the big content owners nowadays who push for bad laws that protect their interests at the expense of society's nowadays, which means that a little techno-utopianism to balance them out may be necessary.

And holy shit, you don't even want to know how circular a lot of copyright law is.  There's been more than one case where the reasoning is, "If we decide there's a violation, that means the defendant would have had to have paid a licensing fee to make the use, which means that the defendant has deprived the copyright holder of a potential revenue stream, which means that the use was a violation."

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Re: Dear FOT,
« Reply #66 on: September 20, 2008, 04:41:03 PM »
If Vernon Reid is in it then Black Earl will surely be around.
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Re: Dear FOT,
« Reply #67 on: September 20, 2008, 04:57:18 PM »
Congratulations, it sounds like a cool documentary. FWIW, what's Cory Doctorow's role in the discussion? I know his name from Boing Boing and know he's published books, but not paid attention to much else. Is he just an extremist as far as the copyright stuff goes?

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Re: Dear FOT,
« Reply #68 on: September 20, 2008, 05:08:06 PM »



CHEERS TO JASON GROTE! CONGRATS!

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Re: Dear FOT,
« Reply #69 on: September 20, 2008, 06:21:38 PM »
Big Grats Grote!! 

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Re: Dear FOT,
« Reply #70 on: September 20, 2008, 06:22:33 PM »
Keep posting that octoberfest collage please!  I think dirndl's are sexy, not gonna lie.  But then, I am German-born myself, so that probably has something to do with it too.

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Re: Dear FOT,
« Reply #71 on: September 20, 2008, 09:09:10 PM »
I'd say that I'm a reformed techno-utopian.

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I guess I should clarify what the hell that meant.  F*tchan whiners.

It's just that many copyright reformers get obsessed with "rights" rather than crafting practical solutions that lead to good outcomes.  This is the same thing that the content industry does.

That said, I'm probably as far to the left on IP issues as anyone except for people who think it should be outright abolished.  (Which is a silly position, as the GPL and creative commons and the ability to demand attribution depend on copyright law.)

For instance, I'm opposed to anti-circumvention laws, since I think they do more harm than good, particularly when they interfere with fair use.  Nor do I think that permission should ever need to be sought to make transformative works or to use samples, that copyrights should ever be retroactively extended, or that technology should adapt to suit the desires of a few moneyed copyright holders.  More radically, I doubt that IP should be freely transferrable.  But I'm not going to hang my hat on a list of made-up "rights" that I as a user or creator think I ought to have, unless I can justify in practical terms *why* I should have a particular right that relates to the purpose of IP law to begin with (to limit people's freedom to the extent necessary to create incentives that lead to the production of new works).

IP is one of the clearest quid-pro-quo, results-driven areas of the law, yet both sides take up the rhetorical position of moral crusaders enforcing "rights" and "principles."  Maybe some of this is necessary on the reforming side to combat the rhetoric of the other side, and I've probably indulged in it myself, but I've tried to take a more practical stance in the past when dealing with IP issues.

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Re: Dear FOT,
« Reply #72 on: September 20, 2008, 11:26:06 PM »
Congrats to Grote.  I send my positive mental vibes back in time to before you got the job, because I can do that with my mental vibes.  I am like Lionel Hampton.

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Re: Dear FOT,
« Reply #73 on: September 21, 2008, 01:12:53 AM »
I am like Lionel Hampton.
 

 Wasn't he a republican and a great big douchebag?
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Re: Dear FOT,
« Reply #74 on: September 21, 2008, 08:53:48 AM »
I am like Lionel Hampton.
 

 Wasn't he a republican and a great big douchebag?

OK, I'm not like Lionel Hampton, aside from my command of vibes.