From the FOT chat after the show ended:
(20:16:47) Krokodil_Gena: A ripoff of
Death Bed, the Bed that Eats.
(20:17:36) fish: I've never bothered to watch that
(20:17:56) Krokodil_Gena: Parodied by Patton Oswalt with
Rape Stove, the Stove that Rapes.
(20:18:30) Krokodil_Gena: Fish, the guy that made the film in the 1970s forgot that he'd done it.
(20:18:45) fish: I know he had a bit about that, but I don't remember that particular line
(20:19:35) fish: Wait, the director said he doesn't remember making it?
(20:19:42) Krokodil_Gena: It was from Patton Oswalt's Bush II-era album
Feelin' Kinda Patton.
(20:19:53) Krokodil_Gena: 2006?
(20:20:39) fish: Yeah, I've definitely heard that
(20:20:55) Krokodil_Gena: It's on YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01l1WIC9mBo(20:21:03) fish: Probably more people heard that special than saw that movie
(20:22:05) Krokodil_Gena: It's one of those low-budget flicks that took a few years to make, the guy couldn't find a buyer, it was always obscure.
(20:23:37) fish: right and the bit was like if THAT movie can get made, then anything is possible.
(20:24:28) Krokodil_Gena:
Manos had that problem partially - no TV station (but the most desperate UHF one) wanted to buy the movie in the 1970s. It's a minor miracle the
Mystery Science guys got to see it and make an episode of it.
(20:25:25) fish: That movie is really something
(20:25:55) fish: can't say I'd ever watch it straight though
(20:26:15) Krokodil_Gena: And
Manos: the "Hands" of Fate had a shadowy run in the late 1960s, probably burned through the Southern drive-in circuit.
(20:26:52) FOT-Bot: B_Buster logs into the Chat.
(20:27:53) Krokodil_Gena:
fish: can't say I'd ever watch it straight though I have, thanks to the "restoration" that used the original 16mm Ektachrome workprint.
(20:29:11) Krokodil_Gena: It will never be a great movie, but it is a document of budget film-making in the El Paso area in the mid-1960s.
(20:29:53) fish: I'm sure I couldn't make a better movie
(20:35:11) Krokodil_Gena: None of them were film school graduates as far as I know.
(20:37:55) Krokodil_Gena: Pretty much
Eraserhead is what those movies are like with actual talent involved - it took David Lynch a number of years to shoot that entire film.
(20:44:35) fish:
Eraserhead only really works as an art film
(20:47:40) fish: That seems like a dumb thing to say
(20:47:53) fish: Ever seen
Tetsuo The Iron Man?
(20:55:19) Krokodil_Gena: Yes, and it's sequel that was run at the local arthouse with the speakers turned to 11.
(20:59:27) Krokodil_Gena: Hello?-hello?-hello? (fades out) Sorry, I was out walking the garbage to the curb.
(21:00:19) Krokodil_Gena: Only saw the original
Tetsuo on video.
(21:02:30) fish: I remember the sequel not being as fun
(21:04:12) Krokodil_Gena: I agree, it's sonically abusive, drably "weird."
(21:04:31) Krokodil_Gena: In other words, trying too hard.
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(21:06:15) fish: I used to really love Peter Jackson's early films, and it still surprises me that he went on to do real movies
(21:07:15) Krokodil_Gena:
Meet the Feebles grossed me out, especially the death of the fly.
(21:08:19) fish: oh yeah, speaking of filthy puppets
(21:09:54) fish: I was thinking more
Bad Taste & especially
Dead Alive/
Braindead(21:10:20) Krokodil_Gena: Meanwhile I think that Lars von Trier really never topped
Europa (aka
Zentropa) for making pure cinema. Was never a fan of his Dogma 95 films.
(21:11:21) fish: (I think I maxed out movie chat)
(21:11:41) fish: I don't know for certain that I've seen a movie this year.
(21:12:00) Krokodil_Gena:
Dead Alive was more like an
Evil Dead movie - deliberately over-the-top, gross, but not truly repellent.
(21:13:00) fish: It was probably more gross than
Evil Dead (and funnier than
Evil Dead 2)
(21:13:30) fish: There's a few different versions. The cut up "Rated R" version is a travesty.
(21:16:27) Krokodil_Gena: Yeah, I would say that. I think that's what's killing moviegoing - we're lacking real midnight movies made in the last twenty years. I mean there are candidates out there, like
Hard to be a God, but stuff isn't grabbing people like the first real midnight movie
El Topo (1970).
(21:17:26) fish: OH, I was wrong, I saw the Mike Diana documentary
(21:19:54) fish: I've met him a few times. He's a nice quiet guy.
(21:20:15) Krokodil_Gena: Interesting.
(21:21:40) fish: I have a friend who's buddies with him and Frank Henenlotter, who directed the doc and such classics as
Frankenhooker and
Basket Case(21:22:16) Krokodil_Gena: I know of Frank Henenlotter, never met him.
(21:22:35) fish: nice group of fellas
(21:22:59) fish: he's like a cranky old movie nerd
(21:23:03) Krokodil_Gena: The unrated version of
Frankenhooker is some gonzo stuff.
(21:23:40) Krokodil_Gena: If you make films like he does, you have to be a cranky movie nerd.
(21:24:14) fish: I've only seen it once and I don't know which version, but it was screened in a theater, which was neat
(21:24:35) fish: I don't remember stuff good no more
(21:26:06) fish: Like I know I have seen
Basket Case,
Brain Damage, and
Bad Biology, but I can never remember which is which.
(21:26:18) fish: too many B names
(21:28:02) Krokodil_Gena: That was 1990 if you saw it fresh....I sat through films one and two of
The Cremaster Cycle and it was obvious they were not made for the theater (which they weren't, they were part of director/artist Matthew Barney's museum pieces).
(21:37:51) fish: wellp, g'nite!
(21:37:56) FOT-Bot: fish rolls 1d6 and gets 6.
(21:38:01) fish: B)
(21:38:57) Krokodil_Gena: I live in a weird burg on the West Coast that has a "professional"
Rocky Horror Picture Show crew, so the local art chain has to include
these people and
that film in their midnight screenings series every year. Which means a slot is burned up for zip. A lot of weirdo stuff could go in that space. The other 1000 lb. elephant sucking air out of the building is
The Room, which is funny the first time you see it, and less funny every time after, and annoying because the drunk people* show up.
(In other words folks, interesting stuff happens in the chat if you are willing to show up.)
* The same sort of rowdies didn't help seeing
Raiders of the Lost Ark in a midnight screening. Same theater.