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Re: The Wrestling Thread
« Reply #210 on: January 23, 2012, 03:34:26 PM »
This could all easily go awry. WCW brought in the Misfits--I know I know, not Danzig-era, but still--and they even had that shameful Misfits character. I love the idea of some culture other than Monster Energy leaking into the WWE milieu, but gimmicks that far-fetched ultimately need to take a backseat to storylines and stuff. That said, I think these are all funny ideas.
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« Reply #211 on: January 25, 2012, 06:50:04 PM »
Agreed, but given that so many WWE angles already go horribly wrong on a regular basis(anonymous Raw GM and the 'Conspiracy', to name just a couple), I think almost any idea is as good as the next. I'm not seriously suggesting any sort of indie-rock storyline, but I honestly think that sort of gimmick could easily work with decent writing behind it.

Royal Rumble predictions? I like that this year there doesn't appear to be a clear frontrunner (although maybe I'm being completely ignorant). I'd love to see Wade Barrett win, but I almost think Chris Jericho is the best bet.

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« Reply #212 on: January 26, 2012, 08:31:38 AM »
I want Wade to win it, too. He's been a favorite of mine since The Nexus angle. He's a HEEL. JBL wrote something on his blog about how, when he was a heel, he didn't give the fans any reason at all to like him. He had no catch phrases, didn't say anything remotely close to a laugh line, etc. Barrett takes that to heart! He's just a total self-centered jerk (after a year or so as being the manipulative "leader of men" who made an entire stable do his bidding).
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« Reply #213 on: January 26, 2012, 01:41:55 PM »
I'm really glad he's finally been able to recover after the WWE let John Cena ride roughshod over the Nexus and make every member look totally weak. He's such a naturally gifted speaker, and he's put on some great matches lately with Randy Orton and Sheamus. I loved seeing him and Cody Rhodes outlast Team Orton at the Survivor Series. Anybody see this in the news today:

http://www.nme.com/news/metallica/61668


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Re: The Wrestling Thread
« Reply #214 on: January 26, 2012, 01:53:51 PM »
I don't know why the Nexus story arc got so crapped on! I loved it so much!

It was essentially the WWE's Story of Communism through the prism of George Orwell and their rewrite of Animal Farm.

It was started as a peasant uprising (NXT scrubs) led by a charismatic figure (Wade). They ran roughshod over the company solely because of their unity and nearly destroyed the WWE's dream team. I don't mind Cena doing his miracle comeback at SummerSlam because he's the company ace and I'd expect him to beat some rookies in a one-on-one battle.

Then Wade took too much control and made the Nexus serve his aims. He gained absolute power and then ignored the original goals of the organization. This fractured the organization and Cena was able to pick them off one by one, since they weren't really any good unless they were unified with a purpose. (Like every Communist dictatorship.)

The WWE always buries hot newcomers for a bit to make sure they don't go all Brock Lesnar. Wade's come back strong -- he's incredible on the mic but is now really learning how to work in the ring. He's got a really unique style -- he's essentially a large technician.
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« Reply #215 on: January 26, 2012, 04:32:22 PM »
I never thought of it like that! Pretty spot on comparison, though. Like the Best Show, WWE is deep. I could definitely listen to Wade refer to himself as a 'leader of men' all day.

Somewhat related to communism or I guess just progressive politics, I also really enjoyed when the WWE seemed to be going for cheap 'Union heat' during the way too brief walkout angle, like "how dare these wrestlers have feelings or concerns?" That's why I'm also really fond of David Otunga's lawyer role. From the bowtie to his coffee mug, his character is just designed to be hated.

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Re: The Wrestling Thread
« Reply #216 on: January 27, 2012, 10:37:54 AM »
What happened with Lesnar? I watched WWE only for a couple of years about a decade ago, and dude was untouchable then. He just seemed to disappear without comment, although I wasn't watching very closely. Just get too big for his boots? Eddie Guerrero became champion soon after, I think, which was incredible.

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Re: The Wrestling Thread
« Reply #217 on: January 28, 2012, 01:02:41 PM »
Brock hated the travel. He supposedly quit after flying from the US to South Africa for an 8 minute match and then flying right back home. He was never a pro wrestling fan, either. That's pretty insane because, while he was in the WWE, he was awesome. He got it.

That thing where he threw the one legged dude down the steps in a wheelchair is one of the all-time awesome monster heel bully moves.

And, yes, Eddy winning the belt was awesome. One of the greatest runs in wrestling history. I think a case can be made that Eddy's the greatest wrestler of all-time. In fact, I might make a list at some point today of my all-time Top 10.
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« Reply #218 on: January 28, 2012, 03:05:19 PM »
Eddie is just about the only wrestler I can think of who actually  learned how to be charismatic. Watch him in ECW and early in his WCW run and you see a guy with crazy talent who was pretty dull. Somewhere along the way he put it all together and became one of the best ever.

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« Reply #219 on: January 28, 2012, 04:44:13 PM »
If you can find it somewhere, EVERY rasslin' fan should watch this lucha PPV WCW put on a little before Eddie and Rey ended up in ECW. I think it was called When World's Collide.

Eddie was in a tag team called Los Gringos Locos with his partner "Love Machine" Art Barr. They were terrific and oozing with charisma. They both war American flag Zubaz pants and, on the way to the ring, would pantomime swimming to taunt Mexican fans since "all of them wanted to swim across the Rio Grande and work for Americans like us."

They had a match against El Hijo de Santo and Octogon at this PPV which was awesome. Eddie's dad and El Hijo's dad -- the original El Santo, who was like a god in Mexico, were legendary partners. Eddie and El Hijo became partners but faced some dissension. Art Bar got involved by attacking Eddie while wearing El Hijo's mask and then ran out of dodge. And then when Eddie came to, he assumed it was El Hijo and destroyed him.

The revenge match at this PPV was hair versus masks, which is the biggest type of match in lucha libre. And it's AWESOME and is one of the best matches of all-time in terms of in-ring action. And then when you add in that there are literally decades worth of back story coming into play, it's even more dramatic.

It took Eddie some time to put it together and learn how to act for an American audience. But once he did, he was just unreal.
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Re: The Wrestling Thread
« Reply #220 on: January 28, 2012, 10:49:30 PM »
Also, I'm pretty sure the "Custody of a Child Settled Via Ladder Match" is the best.
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« Reply #221 on: January 29, 2012, 04:43:54 AM »
The WCW cruiserweight division really influenced my love of Eddie Guerrero and Chris Jericho. Both captivating stars who could wrestle with the best of them. The LWO faction cracked me up too.

On another note, I'm attending a history conference on Vancouver Island at the moment and now thinking of writing a paper on Sergeant Slaughter, Colonel Mustafa, and General Adnan in the context of the Gulf War.

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« Reply #222 on: January 29, 2012, 08:06:06 PM »
Also, I'm pretty sure the "Custody of a Child Settled Via Ladder Match" is the best.

It always kinda bugges me that Dominic looked pretty much exactly like Rey which made the claims that he was Eddie's son a little silly, but Eddie was such a prick that he really made the storyline work.

And who ever would have thought that Vicki would still be an on air character all these years later?

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Re: The Wrestling Thread
« Reply #223 on: January 31, 2012, 03:26:12 PM »
VEGAN HEEL!!!

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Re: The Wrestling Thread
« Reply #224 on: January 31, 2012, 03:52:53 PM »
The Punk/Bryan match was so good last night, that it has sent me on flights on fantasy booking fancy. Please indulge me.


Rock/Cena

Punk & Bryan retain at EC. Jericho's quest is to unify the titles. Title unification triple threat at Mania.

Sheamus chooses to end the streak. Sheamus and Taker hoss it out.

Orton gets hurt at EC. HHH wants him on the shelf. Rehash the McMahon/Austin angle. HHH/Orton.

Big Show/Shaq comes to fruition.

Henry/Brodus Clay hoss it out as well.

Cody Thodes/Goldust

Truth, Ryder, Kofi, Mysterio(?) vs Miz, Swagger, Ziggler, Barrett gives them all something to do.

Hero is apparently being given the chance to pass another drug test. Hot-shot the Kings of Wrestling against whoever the tag champs are at the time, perhaps?