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FOT Community => General Discussion => Topic started by: Chris L on November 25, 2007, 10:47:38 PM
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Attn: Dylan fans -- this movie is a blast. First of all, it's amazing enough that someone made a movie inspired by a ghostly, unreleased Dylan track rather than churning out "Like a Rolling Stone: The Movie" or whatever. But the scenes that use particular songs as set pieces (especially "Blind Willie McTell, "Ballad of a Thin Man" and "Going to Acapulco") brilliantly capture the spirit of the music with distincly uncommon creativity. I wasn't such a fan of Velvet Goldmine but Haynes really pulls off a high wire act here. Not all of it works -- the Christian Bale stuff lapses into (bad) caricature and the Heath Ledger/Charlotte Gainsbourg, Blood on the Tracks divorce scenes are mostly (but not all) boring -- but there's usually a moment around the corner that pulls you back in whenever it seems like Haynes is losing the thread. A movie like this coming along with, among other things, Stephen Malkmus providing Cate Blanchett's singing voice, is like a one-in-a-million shot, folks. See it!
And no, I'm never going to get tired of that Andy Milonakis joke.
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I forgot to mention: there's a total send-up of Joan Baez's interview in that Scorsese No Direction Home doc courtesy of Julianne Moore.
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there are probably tons of interviews all over the place, but i caught this one & thought it was good, if you're interested:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16419557
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See, if I made a Dylan movie, I would call it "Can't Sing, Can't Dance, Can't Play Guitar: The Robert Zimmerman Story."
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See, if I made a Dylan movie, I would call it "Can't Sing, Can't Dance, Can't Play Guitar: The Robert Zimmerman Story."
And that would be an appropriately ironic title, because he can actually do all three.
Very well. :P
But seriously - I really want to see this. I thought it was an amazing idea when I first heard about it, but I was also wary, so I'm glad to hear an FOT give it props. That seals the deal for me. Well... that and Cate Blanchett.
I know I'm not goin' out on a limb here, but what can I say about my celebrity crushitude on that woman that isn't boring at this point, other than the fact that it's continued unabated for a decade, now?
I've even watched "The Gift" more than once, because of her - eww buoy...
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Fine, I'll change the title for you. "He Sounds Just Like Amy Winehouse LIVE: The Bob Zimmerman Story."
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See, if I made a Dylan movie, I would call it "Can't Sing, Can't Dance, Can't Play Guitar: The Robert Zimmerman Story."
Impossible! (hands you a bone... no, not that kind of bone >:()
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Fine, I'll change the title for you. "He Sounds Just Like Amy Winehouse LIVE: The Bob Zimmerman Story."
I actually "laughed out loud" just then...
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I know I'm not goin' out on a limb here, but what can I say about my celebrity crushitude on that woman that isn't boring at this point, other than the fact that it's continued unabated for a decade, now?
I've even watched "The Gift" more than once, because of her - eww buoy...
Not at all. I could watch Elizabeth over and over again. She was the best thing in Coffee and Cigarettes, too. Well, her and RZA.
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Not at all. I could watch Elizabeth over and over again. She was the best thing in Coffee and Cigarettes, too. Well, her and RZA.
Coogan and Molina!
Jack White and his Little Red Wagon!
That's about it.
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i also liked the last segment with William Rice and Taylor Mead. I thought they were cute.
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Elizabeth 2 (Not to Be Confused with Elizabeth II): Electric Boogaloo was not so great. That's a pity, as I was really looking forward to it. I love QEI's poetry and battlefield speeches.
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I can't really tell if anyone actually liked this movie. it's boring sometimes but it's good?
is it really worth 10 dollars? i'm on the fence.
as for todd haynes, i liked far from heaven. the velvet goldmine was pretty, but that's about it.
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I can't really tell if anyone actually liked this movie. it's boring sometimes but it's good?
is it really worth 10 dollars? i'm on the fence.
as for todd haynes, i liked far from heaven. the velvet goldmine was pretty, but that's about it.
Beth, I was talking about maybe two pieces of a very large puzzle that I didn't care for. Actually, some of the Ledger/Gainsbourg scenes that I did like are among the strongest in the film. It's absolutely one of the best films of the year and completely unlike anything else out there right now.
As I said, Velvet Goldmine didn't really do it for me like this one did. Safe is the only other Haynes film I've seen and I consider that one of the best of the 90's.
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Not to get all Larry the Perv on you guys, but the Velvet Goldmine really "did it" for me.
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Here you go, Mike:
I enjoyed I'm Not There, but I'm a big Dylan fan. If you're not much of a Dylan, you may find it a bit confusing.
Unless you were being zany posting this in the Yo La Tengo thread, in which case apologies.
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As I said, Velvet Goldmine didn't really do it for me like this one did. Safe is the only other Haynes film I've seen and I consider that one of the best of the 90's.
I'll probably go see this. Also wanted to add that Safe is a totally awesome film. Julianne Moore's performance is beyond belief - so good. I'd like to see his film about Rimbaud too.
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I'll probably go see this. Also wanted to add that Safe is a totally awesome film. Julianne Moore's performance is beyond belief - so good.
You can't go wrong with a luscious lady like Ms. Moore. Normally I don't go for pale women, but let me say that I would not kick her out of bed for eating pudding.
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Ew.
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What is this, a porno message board?
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I'll probably go see this. Also wanted to add that Safe is a totally awesome film. Julianne Moore's performance is beyond belief - so good.
You can't go wrong with a luscious lady like Ms. Moore. Normally I don't go for pale women, but let me say that I would not kick her out of bed for eating pudding.
Danny!
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I'll probably go see this. Also wanted to add that Safe is a totally awesome film. Julianne Moore's performance is beyond belief - so good.
You can't go wrong with a luscious lady like Ms. Moore. Normally I don't go for pale women, but let me say that I would not kick her out of bed for eating pudding.
Thank you Josh, for providing a fine example of oversharing.
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What if she were eating crackers?
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It's a quote from Danny/Hannibal (starts at 0:32) of the March 13, 2001 "Listener Appreciation Show."
Danny loves the movie Hannibal and has seen it about a dozen times, but he can't watch end - it's too scary. He waxes, uh, eloquent about Julianne Moore.
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Chris L. is on the money here. The more I think about it, the more I want to see it again. There's so much crammed into this movie that you'll be picking up things long after you've left the theater (I didn't pick up the Tarantula reference until I was riding the PATH home).
I agree that Christian Bale's performance borders on caricature at times, but he makes up for it with a strong born-again Bob. The Richard Gere segment goes on a little long, but for fans of The Basement Tapes it's a real treat (Dylan nuts will be picking this apart for years).
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I agree that Christian Bale's performance borders on caricature at times, but he makes up for it with a strong born-again Bob.
See, I couldn't tell if Haynes was mocking this phase or not, the same way he seemed to come down ridiculously hard on Bowie's "Let's Dance" era in Velvet Goldmine.
I definitely would like to see it again, both to pick it apart some more and also because it looks fantastic in the theater.
EDIT: Also, does anyone know whether that scene where Ledger is sitting at the cafe spouting sexist comments is based on some specific interview or incident?
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I can't really tell if anyone actually liked this movie. it's boring sometimes but it's good?
is it really worth 10 dollars? i'm on the fence.
as for todd haynes, i liked far from heaven. the velvet goldmine was pretty, but that's about it.
Beth, I was talking about maybe two pieces of a very large puzzle that I didn't care for. Actually, some of the Ledger/Gainsbourg scenes that I did like are among the strongest in the film. It's absolutely one of the best films of the year and completely unlike anything else out there right now.
As I said, Velvet Goldmine didn't really do it for me like this one did. Safe is the only other Haynes film I've seen and I consider that one of the best of the 90's.
Cool. I'll probably go see it. Charlotte Gainsbourg being in it is a big plus, I love her, singing or onscreen.
I'd also like to note that although the film Velvet Goldmine didn't "do it" for me, Jonathan Ryhs Meyers in glam make up sure did (I probably sound like Larry the perv here as well).
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You guys, I watch The Tudors because of Jonathan Rhys Meyers. I could make a horrible pun about jerkins, but I'm not going to do that.
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He was jerkins in that one episode.
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I watched that Elvis made for TV movie because of him.
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He was jerkins in that one episode.
See, I would've gone with, "I enjoy jerkin it to The Tudors." Oh, JRH, you are so fine.
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He's so pretty he sort of gives me the creeps. And his acting in The Tudors is absolutely atrocious.
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He's so pretty he sort of gives me the creeps.
And his acting in The Tudors is absolutely atrocious.
Can I use that couplet, Sarah? I think I can write a song around it.
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Who cares about his acting? Have you seen his lips? Besides, I really loved him in Velvet Goldmine.
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He was jerkins in that one episode.
See, I would've gone with, "I enjoy jerkin it to The Tudors." Oh, JRH, you are so fine.
That's why you are Filthy and I am Buff...y.
Also I was talking about the one episode where he is literally doing that for what seems like 10 uncomfortable minutes. Although a lady friend of mine assures me that the scene is viewed differently by the ladies.
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Any awkwardly worded couplet of mine is an awkwardly worded couplet of yours if you want it, TL.
You must/would like Mel Odom, Laurie. JRM looks like one of his. Or like something imagined by one of nem Pre-Raphaelites, I suppose.
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He was jerkins in that one episode.
See, I would've gone with, "I enjoy jerkin it to The Tudors." Oh, JRH, you are so fine.
Although a lady friend of mine assures me that the scene is viewed differently by the ladies.
Hence, "I enjoy jerkin it to The Tudors, especially during that scene."
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He was jerkins in that one episode.
See, I would've gone with, "I enjoy jerkin it to The Tudors." Oh, JRH, you are so fine.
Although a lady friend of mine assures me that the scene is viewed differently by the ladies.
Hence, "I enjoy jerkin it to The Tudors, especially during that scene."
What do ladies "jerk?" I didn't take high school anatomy, but I thought I had... ahem... enough hard-earned (ha!) knowledge of the landscape to know that nothing of the sort... err... what was I saying again?
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He was jerkins in that one episode.
See, I would've gone with, "I enjoy jerkin it to The Tudors." Oh, JRH, you are so fine.
Although a lady friend of mine assures me that the scene is viewed differently by the ladies.
Hence, "I enjoy jerkin it to The Tudors, especially during that scene."
What do ladies "jerk?" I didn't take high school anatomy, but I thought I had... ahem... enough hard-earned (ha!) knowledge of the landscape to know that nothing of the sort... err... what was I saying again?
It's just a colloquial thing. For example, know a lot of girls who use the word "boner," as in, "I have a total boner for JRM." I usually use the word boner to describe my relationship with various things I love, but not in a sexy way. As an example, I have been known to say that I have a boner for Mario Kart N64, the best incarnation of Mario Kart ever.
I've also heard the term "she-rection," but I don't use that to refer to my lady parts. And women do get very tiny erections. Technically.
Oh man, I can't believe I'm humoring you with a response, Buff... y.
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He was jerkins in that one episode.
See, I would've gone with, "I enjoy jerkin it to The Tudors." Oh, JRH, you are so fine.
Although a lady friend of mine assures me that the scene is viewed differently by the ladies.
Hence, "I enjoy jerkin it to The Tudors, especially during that scene."
What do ladies "jerk?" I didn't take high school anatomy, but I thought I had... ahem... enough hard-earned (ha!) knowledge of the landscape to know that nothing of the sort... err... what was I saying again?
It's just a colloquial thing. For example, know a lot of girls who use the word "boner," as in, "I have a total boner for JRM." I usually use the word boner to describe my relationship with various things I love, but not in a sexy way. As an example, I have been known to say that I have a boner for Mario Kart N64, the best incarnation of Mario Kart ever.
I've also heard the term "she-rection," but I don't use that to refer to my lady parts. And women do get very tiny erections. Technically.
Oh man, I can't believe I'm humoring you with a response, Buff... y.
Appreciated, though you're right... not strictly required. More information on clitori can be found on the Internet.
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He was jerkins in that one episode.
See, I would've gone with, "I enjoy jerkin it to The Tudors." Oh, JRH, you are so fine.
Although a lady friend of mine assures me that the scene is viewed differently by the ladies.
Hence, "I enjoy jerkin it to The Tudors, especially during that scene."
What do ladies "jerk?" I didn't take high school anatomy, but I thought I had... ahem... enough hard-earned (ha!) knowledge of the landscape to know that nothing of the sort... err... what was I saying again?
It's just a colloquial thing. For example, know a lot of girls who use the word "boner," as in, "I have a total boner for JRM." I usually use the word boner to describe my relationship with various things I love, but not in a sexy way. As an example, I have been known to say that I have a boner for Mario Kart N64, the best incarnation of Mario Kart ever.
I've also heard the term "she-rection," but I don't use that to refer to my lady parts. And women do get very tiny erections. Technically.
Oh man, I can't believe I'm humoring you with a response, Buff... y.
Appreciated, though you're right... not strictly required. More information on clitori can be found on the Internet.
You mean the World Wide Internet? Where!?
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I think Meyers was a'ight in Velvet Goldmine. His singing isn't bad on those Craig Wedren-penned numbers. Ewan didn't fair as well, but you can't really ask anyone to imitate Iggy Pop and expect them to pull it off. Imitating David Bowie, on the other hand, not so tall of an order.
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Grote - google "more information on licorice can be found on the internet." It could open up a whole new world of snark to you. Or not. See if I care.
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Grote - google "more information on licorice can be found on the internet." It could open up a whole new world of snark to you. Or not. See if I care.
Hahaha. Awesome.
(http://www.pepinismo.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/roflmao.jpg)
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I stand by what I said! I admit I could have picked a better representative of the music sequences than "Ballad of a Thin Man" but there is a reference included in that scene that Tom didn't mention that I thought was clever.
If the concept of the movie sounds good to you, I'd say you'll most likely find it delivers. I thought it was made with a lot of enthusiasm and not just geared toward pompous "Dylan-ologists," although you probably do have to be a fan to get into it. Might help if you're a Fellini fan as well, since the Cate Blanchett stuff is almost as reminiscent of 8 1/2 as Don't Look Back.
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I'm not trying to make anybody look bad or get mad. I honestly went into the movie looking forward to it, and it never clicked for me. If you liked it, I'm seriously glad and I wish I could be with you on that. PLENTY of people I know and respect said they loved it. I wasn't one of them. I would hope you would stand by what you said, Chris!
Tom.
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I totally understand why it wouldn't work for you or anyone else, I've just been trying to encourage people to give it a chance. It has nothing to do with the fact that you can see me in the background of the Richard Gere sequence as a guy taking his potatoes down to be mashed.
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Guns n Roses did a pretty good cover of "like a rolling stone".
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I would like to see a Guns N Roses version of I'm Not There with six Axls, six Slashes, six Izzy Stradlins, six Dizzy Reeds, six Robin Fincks, six Tommy Stinsons, six Chris Pitmans, six Richard Fortuses, six Bryan Mantias, six Bumblefoots, and five Frank Ferrers.
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This one might be good, too...
I'm Not There... Am I? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3TeTnrn6Vw)
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I would like to see a Guns N Roses version of I'm Not There with six Axls, six Slashes, six Izzy Stradlins, six Dizzy Reeds, six Robin Fincks, six Tommy Stinsons, six Chris Pitmans, six Richard Fortuses, six Bryan Mantias, six Bumblefoots, and five Frank Ferrers.
What about 6 Buckethead's, and 6 John Zorn connections?
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This one might be good, too...
I'm Not There... Am I? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3TeTnrn6Vw)
Eww brother.
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I would like to see a Guns N Roses version of I'm Not There with six Axls, six Slashes, six Izzy Stradlins, six Dizzy Reeds, six Robin Fincks, six Tommy Stinsons, six Chris Pitmans, six Richard Fortuses, six Bryan Mantias, six Bumblefoots, and five Frank Ferrers.
What about 6 Buckethead's, and 6 John Zorn connections?
This morning I got the idea to do a variation of I'm Not There with six Wu-Tang Clans. It could have like 500 people in it. In fact, let's make it a game: who would play your six Wu-Tangs?
I have to leave right now but I'll be back to post my cast list later. Meanwhile, here are our dramatis personae:
RZA
GZA
Method Man
Inspectah Deck
Raekwon
Ghostface Killah
U-God
Masta Killa
9th Prince
4th Disciple
Arabian Knight
Blue Raspberry
Bronze Nazareth
Cappadonna
Cilvaringz
Dom Pachino
Hell Razah
John the Baptist
La the Darkman
Lin Que
Mathematics
N-Tyce
Remedy
Shyheim
Solomon Childs
Streetlife
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I know they're all dead, but what about these guys?
Ol' Dirty Bastard
Dirt McGirt
Dirt Dog
Big Baby Jesus
Osirus
Russell Jones
Joe Bananas
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Thanks, JJ. I just peeled them off of Wikipedia. OK, here goes, the first of six:
RZA: Klaus Kinski
GZA: Peter O'Toole
Method Man: Scarlett Johannsen
Inspectah Deck: Peter Dinklage
Raekwon: Isabelle Houpert
Ghostface Killah: Walter Matthau
U-God: Billy Crudup
Masta Killa: Jon Bogdonavich
9th Prince: Patrick McGoohan
4th Disciple: David Cross
Arabian Knight: Ben Stiller
Blue Raspberry: Nathan Lane
Bronze Nazareth: John Ritter
Cappadonna: Parker Posey
Cilvaringz: Bruno Ganz
Dom Pachino: Gene Hackman
Hell Razah: Marisa Tomei
John the Baptist: Ricky Gervais
La the Darkman: Duane Johnson
Lin Que: Mikhail Barishnikov
Mathematics: Sigourney Weaver
N-Tyce: Dana Delaney
Remedy: Joe Pantoliano
Shyheim: Jake Gyllenhall
Solomon Childs: Maggie Gyllenhall
Streetlife: Martha Plimpton
Ol' Dirty Bastard: Cameron Diaz
Dirt McGirt: Thurston Moore
Dirt Dog: Tom Cruise
Big Baby Jesus: Jerry Orbach
Osirus: Rip Torn
Russell Jones: Martin Landau
Joe Bananas: Gael Garcia Bernal
Now I understand both Magnolia and I'm Not There! This is fun. OK, someone else make a Wu-Tang.
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I know they're all dead, but what about these guys?
Ol' Dirty Bastard
Dirt McGirt
Dirt Dog
Big Baby Jesus
Osirus
Russell Jones
Joe Bananas
I would pay anything to see a movie with multiple actors playing all the various incarnations of late great Russell Tyrone Jones
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Ol' Dirty Bastard - Mos Def
Dirt McGirt - Richard Pryor
Dirt Dog - Lance Reddick
Big Baby Jesus - Pam Grier
Osirus - Sun Ra
Russell Jones - Bill Cosby
Joe Bananas - Phillip Seymour Hoffman
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I just watched this.
I'm with Tom.
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I just watched this. I'm somewhere in between Tom and Chris L.
Not being much of a Dylan fan, I feel like a lot of it went over my head. I liked parts, though, particularly David Cross as Ginsberg.