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iAmBaronVonTito

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Re: Take THAT Mr. President!
« Reply #45 on: December 15, 2008, 04:59:29 PM »
the smirk annoys me, but even worse is his snarky quip, "If you want the facts, it's a size 10 shoe that he threw."

undoubtedly, he threw in a couple "heh heh heh" chuckles at the end.  what a jerk. 

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Re: Take THAT Mr. President!
« Reply #46 on: December 15, 2008, 09:53:05 PM »
When is someone starting the effort and or website to send Bush or the Whitehouse thousands of shoes?

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Re: Take THAT Mr. President!
« Reply #47 on: December 15, 2008, 11:54:16 PM »
When is someone starting the effort and or website to send Bush or the Whitehouse thousands of shoes?

Too much effort at this point ... we should send them all to Crawford Ranch, or wherever he's retiring too. Just cover every inch of the Crawford Ranch with shoes. Let's see if he can ride his stupid Segway through that shit.
"He didn't sound like a human when I was talking to him ... he sounded like a shape ... what's that shape of that building ... you know, where the Army lives?" -- Bryce, 11/24/2009

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Re: Take THAT Mr. President!
« Reply #48 on: December 16, 2008, 12:01:48 AM »
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Let's see if he can ride his stupid Segway through that shit.


Old news, but still reminded me......

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pFv8CAniYQ[/youtube]

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Re: Take THAT Mr. President!
« Reply #49 on: December 16, 2008, 05:23:09 AM »
When is someone starting the effort and or website to send Bush or the Whitehouse thousands of shoes?

It's not exactly an orchestrated effort, but I read this yesterday.

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« Reply #50 on: December 16, 2008, 06:23:14 AM »
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Let's see if he can ride his stupid Segway through that shit.


Old news, but still reminded me......


That is the first time I have seen this and I now don't know how I ever lived with out.  Precious.

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Re: Take THAT Mr. President!
« Reply #51 on: December 16, 2008, 08:18:10 AM »
The shoe-throwing incident reminded me of that video of Kelsey Grammer falling off the stage into an orchestra pit that Tom gleefully highlighted some time ago. Well deserved, and great theater. The thrown shoes were comeuppance, however trivial and symbolic.

And then there's Bush's own narrative, the one going on inside his head, as the piece that Martin cited states:

"In an interview with ABC News, when Bush was saying, 'One of the major theaters against al Qaeda turns out to have been Iraq. This is where al Qaeda said they were going to take their stand,' he was challenged by Martha Raddatz with the fact that al-Qaeda wasn't in Iraq until after the United States invaded. Bush responded, 'Yeah, that's right. So what?' Someone should be there every day of Bush's life to throw shoes at him." And so he responds with his trademark smirk and makes jovial comments about the incident.

He's still leaving office with the country he's led for the last eight years in terrible shape, two wars going on with no end in sight, his own party in tatters, and an economy that's in worse shape than anytime in the last 30, or more likely, the last 80 years. Historians are debating about whether his presidency ranks as the worst in history or merely among the worst five-or-so presidencies in American history. No amount of spinning or self-deluded denial can really improve that. Bush can try to have the last laugh, but his poor performance as chief executive have guaranteed that his presidency ends in a pathetic whimper. Thrown shoes -- so what? The worst humiliation is the one he has created for himself and the consequences he must now endure.





iAmBaronVonTito

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Re: Take THAT Mr. President!
« Reply #52 on: December 16, 2008, 10:16:31 AM »
my favorite line thus far was in an article i read yesterday in which he stated, more or less, that his only regret was not finding WMDs in Iraq- no thanks to the bogus information he got from his own people. 

way to admit you crashed the party on your way out the door, you buzz kill.  or perhaps more like, "welcome to the party!" because the rest of us already knew the state of WMD affairs.

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Re: Take THAT Mr. President!
« Reply #53 on: December 16, 2008, 02:54:52 PM »
We could get pissed at the guy for being a douche and a liar, but he's such a consummate fuck-up at this point, undeserving of sympathy, that it wouldn't be worth it.

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« Reply #54 on: December 16, 2008, 04:54:19 PM »
I'll echo what others have said: sure his presidency has been a total nightmare, but I don't have any problem with how he handled this.

I'm also tired of everyone reminding me how, "in the Muslim world", throwing a shoe at someone is considered a grave insult.  Where exactly is that not considered an insult? 

"No man, you don't get it.  Over THERE if you throw a shoe at a head of state, it's REALLY uncool."

I get it!  I'm just saying it seems unnecessarily divisive to hammer home that point over and over again.  It conjures up an image of a "they" who are nothing at all like "us".  I dunno, maybe I'm over-analyzing, but something about the coverage of the incident gives me the willies.

At any rate, the game is pretty cute - http://flash.vg.no/grafikk/2008/bush/kast_sko.html

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Re: Take THAT Mr. President!
« Reply #55 on: December 16, 2008, 05:55:49 PM »
What pisses me off about this whole affair is that I had to admire Bush's ducking skills.

Well, that and the fact that the poor bastard who threw the shoes is in a lot of trouble.

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« Reply #56 on: December 17, 2008, 02:26:45 PM »
I'm also tired of everyone reminding me how, "in the Muslim world", throwing a shoe at someone is considered a grave insult.  Where exactly is that not considered an insult? 

"No man, you don't get it.  Over THERE if you throw a shoe at a head of state, it's REALLY uncool."

I get it!  I'm just saying it seems unnecessarily divisive to hammer home that point over and over again.  It conjures up an image of a "they" who are nothing at all like "us".  I dunno, maybe I'm over-analyzing, but something about the coverage of the incident gives me the willies.

Great point!

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« Reply #57 on: December 17, 2008, 03:04:20 PM »
Right, like in the non-Muslim world throwing a shoe at arguably the most powerful person on Earth and calling them a "Dog" is no big deal.

See, in the MUSLIM world when you physically assault someone and call them a dog, it's an insult.

Although my read of this coverage, at least on the BBC, was that they were attempting to use that half-invented shoe-throwing factoid to validate this action as a semi-legitimate political action.

The only thing that bothers me about this is that everyone's gonna get excited about this shoe-throwing business and they're going to forget to put Bush on trial for war crimes.

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« Reply #58 on: December 17, 2008, 03:12:53 PM »
I don't think anyone other than Bush and his supporters would find this incident offensive, regardless of religion.  It was a perfectly reasonable human reaction as far I am concerned.

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Re: Take THAT Mr. President!
« Reply #59 on: December 17, 2008, 03:19:17 PM »
I think Slate's Explainer podcast the other day was illuminating: shoe-throwing in Iraq is not just a big-time insult there, but actually a pretty common way to express dissatisfaction with people/situations. They cited a number of examples of other incidents in Iraq in the last couple of years.

That said, of course it would be an insult to do the same thing here. That part of the media coverage is pretty stupid.