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Re: Breaking Bad
« Reply #300 on: August 27, 2013, 08:32:12 PM »
What I think about the video "confession" is:

No, it wouldn't put Hank in the slammer for Drug Lording. It would be a big pain in the neck and probably put him through a really unpleasant and personally expensive legal process. (It would certainly cost him his job, but that's moot in that everyone knows once any of this gets out, Hank is toast at the DEA regardless.)

A large part of the investigation he would be subjected to would be focused on the money that paid his rehab bills. Even if most of the details of Walt's story are instantly disproved as fact, that's a matter that could still land Hank in prison, I would guess.

It's also Walt's insurance against Hank going after vigilante justice, since it begins with "If you're seeing this, I am probably dead, murdered by my brother-in-law, Hank Schrader."

It also sends a clear signal to the Schraders that all gloves are off, that even if this particular trick isn't the final solution to Walt's situation, there is no limit to how far he'll go in making their lives miserable if they, for instance, continue trying to snatch the kids.

So no, it isn't quite the fatal noose around Hank's neck that the writers probably want us to see it as, but Hank and Marie are right to be appalled by it.

Mike is right about that, as far as it goes, but I'm still wondering how he would have directed the conversation scenes in "Buried." What is exactly the right decibel level at which to discuss the mutual devastation of four deeply entwined lives?
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Re: Breaking Bad
« Reply #301 on: August 27, 2013, 09:16:25 PM »
I liked it when the fat guy laid down on the money.
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Re: Breaking Bad
« Reply #302 on: August 29, 2013, 01:15:51 PM »
The fact that you guys can still discuss this show seriously after it jumped the shark with that lame blackmail dvd amazes me. If you had any doubts whether this show is ridiculous, those doubts should be completely gone by now.

You're right Mike, but I'm just gonna plow on and watch...just like I did when the whole Sopranos gang showed up at the local premiere of Christophah's "Cleaver" or when he punched out Lauren Bacall.

What part of "B_Buster" are you guys forgetting?

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Re: Breaking Bad
« Reply #303 on: August 29, 2013, 01:19:46 PM »
I thought the blackmail DVD was great and pretty much the only thing Walt could have done to solve his Hank problem short of killing the guy.

But I love this show, so Walt could literally jump over a shark and I'd still be on board.

Yeah, I agree. I thought the blackmail DVD was really well written.

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Re: Breaking Bad
« Reply #304 on: August 29, 2013, 02:40:24 PM »
A lot of people here are getting hung up on the confession DVD, but I'm mostly disappointed that so much of the end game is apparently going to turn on that ridiculous plan of Walt's from the end of Season 4 that they never really bothered to fully think through. (The vague talk of "Walt is the...Evil Juice Box Man!" that they came up with after the season didn't really sell me on any of the contrivances we debated many pages ago in this thread.)

It's not ruining the show for me or anything, but I would prefer not being reminded as often as how goofy the whole thing was by repeatedly going back to Huell's super pickpocket powers and The Only Vial Of Ricin In The World. I have plenty of faith in the ending being good and am still very entertained each week, but the S4 ending and deflating book-on-the-toilet reveal of S5 has tested my fandom a bit.
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Re: Breaking Bad
« Reply #305 on: August 29, 2013, 04:22:09 PM »
A lot of people here are getting hung up on the confession DVD, but I'm mostly disappointed that so much of the end game is apparently going to turn on that ridiculous plan of Walt's from the end of Season 4 that they never really bothered to fully think through. (The vague talk of "Walt is the...Evil Juice Box Man!" that they came up with after the season didn't really sell me on any of the contrivances we debated many pages ago in this thread.)

It's not ruining the show for me or anything, but I would prefer not being reminded as often as how goofy the whole thing was by repeatedly going back to Huell's super pickpocket powers and The Only Vial Of Ricin In The World. I have plenty of faith in the ending being good and am still very entertained each week, but the S4 ending and deflating book-on-the-toilet reveal of S5 has tested my fandom a bit.

Yes. I love the show unconditionally, but an obese Huell pulling off Ricky Jay-level (as it was referred to earlier in the thread) trickery and Walt then sneaking into Jesse's girlfriend's house and somehow getting Brock to ingest poison is just pretty dumb.

In addition to the two things you mentioned, the plane collision in Season 2 was something that always stuck in my craw. What was the point of that? Was it supposed to be symbolic of how Walt's actions adversely affect other people? Were we supposed to think that Walt was really at fault for Jane's father causing the collision? Why spend the whole season building up to it?
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Re: Breaking Bad
« Reply #306 on: August 29, 2013, 04:40:23 PM »
I haven't done this with the last episode, but if you frame-by-frame the sequence where Huell nabs the ricin, you can see him do it.  He's pretty slick!

I don't think we were supposed to think that Walt was responsible for the plane crash exactly, but yeah, it was supposed to be a metaphor I think. I didn't mind it because as (I think) the A. V. Club recapper mentioned, one of the defining traits of the show is its audacity. Would that magnet have pulled everything off the evidence shelves and made the truck bash into the wall? Who knows? It's entertaining TV.
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Re: Breaking Bad
« Reply #307 on: August 29, 2013, 04:49:02 PM »
Also, the actor who plays Huell, Lavell Crawford, does stand-up comedy (I don't know all that much about stand-up comedy, so if this is common knowledge, forgive me). It's ridiculously offensive and stupid, but I can't get enough of it.

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Re: Breaking Bad
« Reply #308 on: August 29, 2013, 05:08:05 PM »
I haven't done this with the last episode, but if you frame-by-frame the sequence where Yuell nabs the ricin, you can see him do it.  He's pretty slick!

I don't think we were supposed to thin that Walt was responsible for the plane crash exactly, but yeah, it was supposed to be a metaphor I think. I didn't mind it because as (I think) the A. V. Club recapper mentioned, one of the defining traits of the show is its audacity. Would that magnet have pulled everything off the evidence shelves and made the truck bash into the wall? Who knows? It's entertaining TV.

Yeah, in the end, it's extremely entertaining, and I can very easily overlook what I think are its flaws.

This should be posted:

Breaking Bad: Badger's Star Trek Script [Animated]
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Re: Breaking Bad
« Reply #309 on: August 29, 2013, 09:20:51 PM »

Yes. I love the show unconditionally, but an obese Huell pulling off Ricky Jay-level (as it was referred to earlier in the thread) trickery and Walt then sneaking into Jesse's girlfriend's house and somehow getting Brock to ingest poison is just pretty dumb.


Ricky Jay is plenty big too.

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Re: Breaking Bad
« Reply #310 on: August 29, 2013, 11:41:12 PM »
Plenty big, but not that big. Huell is morbidly obese.
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Re: Breaking Bad
« Reply #311 on: August 30, 2013, 04:55:41 AM »
Also, the actor who plays Huell, Lavell Crawford, does stand-up comedy (I don't know all that much about stand-up comedy, so if this is common knowledge, forgive me). It's ridiculously offensive and stupid, but I can't get enough of it.

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What was that comedy show on BET? I seam to remember him from that.

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Re: Breaking Bad
« Reply #312 on: August 30, 2013, 07:04:38 AM »
I haven't done this with the last episode, but if you frame-by-frame the sequence where Huell nabs the ricin, you can see him do it.  He's pretty slick!

The only reason I knew that Huell had swiped the bag of pot in the episode from last week was because we had the subtitles on (due to all of the whispering that keeps going on!) and they noted "bag rustles" or similar when Huell passed by Jesse in the doorway. No way I'd have noticed on first watch otherwise.

I don't think we were supposed to think that Walt was responsible for the plane crash exactly, but yeah, it was supposed to be a metaphor I think.

As with anything, everyone will have a different take on it. I don't think Walt directly caused the plane crash, patently Jane's dad was at fault.

However, I thought that the whole thing was pretty great way to show the repercussions of the drugs business and how it negatively reaches into wider society. And thus show the effects of what Walt has been doing for 2 seasons. Yeah, a plane crash is a big way to do that, but this is a TV show and it's supposed to be entertaining.

Same goes for many of the other things from alter seasons mentioned above. You can pick holes in any story, but where is the fun in that?
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Re: Breaking Bad
« Reply #313 on: August 30, 2013, 09:29:10 AM »
I haven't done this with the last episode, but if you frame-by-frame the sequence where Huell nabs the ricin, you can see him do it.  He's pretty slick!
In this past episode, they make the pot pickpocketing pretty explicit - you can see him do it, and then he and Saul nod at each other after he's done it. In the S4 version, he touches the pocket and then puts his hand in his own pocket, which is where it happens, but there's no way he lifts the exact cigarette without looking in that second (this is what I object to, mechanically, so I don't factor Huell's weight in outside of having big hands, I guess), so I suppose he switches packs (which has its own set of questions best ignored).

But anyway, it wasn't the actual pickpocket move I had/have problems with, it's Walt's insane plan that forms around it. The plane in S2 is different, in that it's a crazy, terrible thing that happens as an unforseeable result of a series of things that Walt and Jesse do and does work as a way of showing the consequences of Walt's actions on the world around him. S4's ending is more like if Walt had an endgame of bringing a plane down on the city for some reason and then came up with this plan to get Jesse and Jane together, manipulate Jane into blackmailing him, have them do heroin and come in and trigger Jane to choke to death while ODing in order to drive her dad into the state that the crash happens.

Again, no dealbreaker, as I'm enjoying the show and especially Walt/Saul/Hank/Marie this year. It's just that the two plot elements that came off most hastily and lazily constructed (Walt's poison plan, the book in the bathroom) ending up as the driving factors for Jesse and Hank going after Walt has been a little disappointing. None of this will be bothering me when Gomie shows up in a tank and runs over the nazis to save Hank or Jesse uses science to build a Robot Jesse to fool Walt in the finale as I hope.
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Re: Breaking Bad
« Reply #314 on: August 30, 2013, 09:52:55 AM »
It's funny, when I saw this thread at the top of the forum I thought to myself, "That show is getting so popular that it's about time for Mike to start shitting on it."
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