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Re: Breaking Bad
« Reply #465 on: September 30, 2013, 10:28:10 PM »
And whatever the virtues of Badfinger or "Baby Blue," I just thought that was a plain bad choice that didn't work at all, the first time I can remember thinking that about one of their musical selections.

I was so stoked when Baby Blue came on. The first line of the song is "I guess I got what I deserved" and plays as Walt lovingly stares at the chemistry equipment. It was perfect!

Me too. I thought it was an inspired choice. What an excellent way to end an excellent show.
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Re: Breaking Bad
« Reply #466 on: September 30, 2013, 11:19:02 PM »
Somebody remind me, why did Walt want to kill Lydia?

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« Reply #467 on: October 01, 2013, 12:16:12 AM »
Skylar told Walt that Lydia was mentioned when Todd and the ski-masked goons had threatened the lives of Walt's children in their own home. Afterward, Todd had told Lydia not to worry about Skylar, she seemed like a nice lady looking out for her kids.

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Re: Breaking Bad
« Reply #468 on: October 01, 2013, 09:47:23 AM »
Walt would have already poisoned Lydia before he finds out about the Lydia-directed ski mask home invasion, right? I don't have a problem with him killing Lydia, his final loose end, but him being so gleeful about it was more based on how the viewers would have felt about her than Walt did. (I thought having her mention the Stevia twice in the episode before giving the ricin POV shot was a little hand-holding, especially if we have to go with Walt's Magic Poison Powers to figure out how he made a fake packet in that time, but we're well past that now.)

Back at the end of Season 4, I rambled too much about having to make the leap/mental shift to accept and enjoy the show for what it was (a wonderfully fun, clever and probably peerless crime show) the minute Gus doesn't go to the rigged car in the parking lot. I'm glad I did, because it put me in the right frame of mind to not be bothered by the machine gun trap, which was silly but perfectly in tone for a show that started with the wacky shot of Cranston in his underwear in the desert. I've been kind of fascinated by critical response to the final episode, because I think it exposes that a lot of smart, talented writers tied themselves in knots trying to make profound statements about the show that they were creating on their own and in tandem with each other, and now had to come to terms with balancing that against what the shows strengths and intentions really were.

A weird, pompous groupthink built up in the last year with a lot of critics who were determined to sell that the show was making a statement about violence and how we react to it and other grand, morality-based concepts like that, going so far as to start interpreting scenes as "this is Vince Gilligan talking to the viewers!" But I think maybe the last time the show was ever about something like that was Jesse being forced into killing Gale. Between Season 3 and 4, the writers understandably fell in love with Giancarlo Esposito and turned Gus into Doctor Doom and bumped Walt up accordingly. And when they had to let Gus go, they had Mike as The Batman of New Mexico. It was a show that was always - though especially in the last few seasons - in love with neat stuff happening. I mean, it opened a season with twin superkillers walking away from an explosion unfazed in a completely non-ironic way.

The writers and the actors (especially Cranston, who was every bit as good as he was heralded to be) were always talented enough to add nuance, but this was a show built on atmosphere and style and performances and moments. Seeing people claim it was "known for its air-tight plotting" and making broad statements about the sweeping moral narrative was a sign that pop crit analysis has may have turned in on itself a bit too much and there are a lot of people - some very sharp and talented, some less so - who are stuck in a critical arms race, and maybe a reminder that a key to fully enjoying a piece of art sometimes means you not only have to divorce yourself from the artist, but also from the audience, which now includes both pro and amatuer TV recappers.

I thought the last season was terrific in terms of not holding back and committing to what was great about the show, and I think its most important legacy is taking the kind of "holy shit!"-moment thriller that 24 was in its prime (and as a reminder, 24 was about a hundred times goofier and less consistent and nowhere near as fully realized as Breaking Bad), filling it with better-equipped actors across the board and, most importantly, finally adding on a commitment to visuals, style and atmosphere, the key thing that has been least developed during TV's current peak run. The bar has been raised significantly in how to present a quality show and everybody else is going to have a hellf of time trying to live up to making something that registers in such an indelible way from here on out.
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Re: Breaking Bad
« Reply #469 on: October 01, 2013, 10:25:08 AM »
^^Great post.
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Re: Breaking Bad
« Reply #470 on: October 01, 2013, 11:05:49 AM »
Good ending to a great literary/pulpy show.  A bit too sentimental, I don't think I'll remember this episode in 5 years the way I still think about the Sopranos' finale.  Glad to see a show can end itself going out on top.

Had Walt, laying on that lab floor, suddenly woke up and found himself in bed with Jane Kascmarek ("Lois, I had the weirdest dream. I was...wait, what's that smell, burning....Reese!"), no one would be more pleased than I.
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Re: Breaking Bad
« Reply #471 on: October 01, 2013, 12:51:34 PM »
I was just reading about how the show stepped up its visuals during its run:

http://www.rogerebert.com/balder-and-dash/the-cinematography-of-breaking-bad-season-5-part-2

I think having the show peak two episodes before the finale is not a bad way to do things.

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Re: Breaking Bad
« Reply #472 on: October 01, 2013, 03:59:09 PM »
I was just reading about how the show stepped up its visuals during its run:

http://www.rogerebert.com/balder-and-dash/the-cinematography-of-breaking-bad-season-5-part-2

I think having the show peak two episodes before the finale is not a bad way to do things.

Thanks for this. That is some of the worst writing I've read in a long time.
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Re: Breaking Bad
« Reply #473 on: October 01, 2013, 04:39:00 PM »


 I've been kind of fascinated by critical response to the final episode, because I think it exposes that a lot of smart, talented writers tied themselves in knots trying to make profound statements about the show that they were creating on their own and in tandem with each other, and now had to come to terms with balancing that against what the shows strengths and intentions really were.

A weird, pompous groupthink built up in the last year with a lot of critics who were determined to sell that the show was making a statement about violence and how we react to it and other grand, morality-based concepts like that, going so far as to start interpreting scenes as "this is Vince Gilligan talking to the viewers!"

...and there are a lot of people - some very sharp and talented, some less so - who are stuck in a critical arms race, and maybe a reminder that a key to fully enjoying a piece of art sometimes means you not only have to divorce yourself from the artist, but also from the audience, which now includes both pro and amatuer TV recappers.


Wes, a great post. Thanks!

The outright dumbest thing I've read on the Finale was from Todd Van Der Werff, the seemingly totalitarian AV Club TVeditor, who wrote on the finale for the LA Times http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/showtracker/la-et-st-breaking-bad-recap-20130929,0,4780572.story

Anyway this is the bit that is so dumb to be draw dropping (bold is mine)

The question is whether you bought for an instant that Walter “deserved” that ending. “Deserved” is a funny word, because it reads the viewer’s expectations into the work of art, when it’s much more important to try and suss out just what Vince Gilligan and his writers were up to, then determine how well they stuck to their guns. (From my point of view, very well.)

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Re: Breaking Bad
« Reply #474 on: October 01, 2013, 05:52:21 PM »
Completely agree with Wes that the show was never preoccupied with plot and was actually at its worst when it tried (the train robbery episode, which spent an inordinate amount of time on the logistics of the caper, for example). And while we're on the same page regarding the critical reception (Vulture's shoe-horning it into the Christmas Carol narrative being the worst I've seen), I had more trouble absolving the finale's ridiculous contrivances (an off-the-shelf garage door opener withstanding a machine gun's recoil, the machine gun killing all but the two bad guys who needed personal revenge from Walt and Jesse, Gretchen and Elliott's shitty assistant and flimsy home security, and on and on) than I did with the rest of the series because Walt's ideas, luck, and money should have lost their effectiveness when Hank passed on. The second-to-last episode seemed to tell us that and forced Walt to face those limitations, but then in the finale the car keys fall to him like manna, he gives the car window a Gorch-like bop to make the snow fall cleanly away, and everything works out perfectly.
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« Reply #475 on: October 01, 2013, 06:17:02 PM »
Not to defend Van Der Werff, CSW, but as somebody who's been on the receiving end of critics smart and stupid, I'd argue that he's trying to be a generous and effective critic (as opposed to a fan or viewer, for whom I agree with you, there is no such thing as an illegitimate response -- but critic is a very specific job description).  For example: I write a play that isn't kitchen-sink realism, and it gets ripped apart for not being kitchen-sink realism, that critic isn't very good.  S/he can say s/he hates anything that isn't kitchen sink realism, and that's fine.  But to treat a specific choice as a failure (as if I'd attempted kitchen-sink realism and failed) is sloppy criticism.  This is why Michiko Kakutani is a terrible book reviewer, because instead of just admitting she doesn't like Thomas Pynchon, she rails against him for not being Saul Bellow, as if the two had anything at all in common.

And yes, great post, Wes.  I usually like Emily Nussbaum, but her description of the phone call in Ozymandias bordered on the-TV-is-talking-to-me delusional.
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Re: Breaking Bad
« Reply #476 on: October 01, 2013, 08:04:48 PM »
I was just reading about how the show stepped up its visuals during its run:

http://www.rogerebert.com/balder-and-dash/the-cinematography-of-breaking-bad-season-5-part-2

I think having the show peak two episodes before the finale is not a bad way to do things.

Thanks for this. That is some of the worst writing I've read in a long time.

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« Reply #477 on: October 02, 2013, 11:46:26 PM »
Todd died and Badfinger got a big bump-up in the public consciousness. I'm happy, dudes. That's all I need.
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« Reply #478 on: October 03, 2013, 12:00:42 AM »
Todd died and Badfinger got a big bump-up in the public consciousness. I'm happy, dudes. That's all I need.

The blatant ripoff from No Country for Old Men didn't detract from your enjoyment of Todd's death?
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« Reply #479 on: October 03, 2013, 12:40:05 AM »
Todd died and Badfinger got a big bump-up in the public consciousness. I'm happy, dudes. That's all I need.

The blatant ripoff from No Country for Old Men didn't detract from your enjoyment of Todd's death?

I forget which part you're talking about, but mainly I'm just into the fact that he died. Method of dispatch is secondary.
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