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Title: The NBA Thread
Post by: dnk on August 18, 2009, 01:09:45 AM
No, not the National Bowling Association. I know Shout! Network promised us a new American pastime, but until then, let's just talk about basketball.

Here's a thread where we can talk all about scores, standings, signings, trades, injuries, awards, and the general goings-on of the National Basketball Association.

I didn't want to specify a year just in case there's not as many basketball fans as I'd hoped and this thread spans decades. But I know in last night's chat with Tom, a lot of other people had NBA-related questions, so here's hoping we get some good conversating going.

I asked the Gilbert Arenas question, and was really happy with Tom's answer (something along the lines of Gilbert being awesome and fun). The Wizards are my favorite team and Gil's my favorite player. I'm hoping for a major comeback from last season's dreadful display. I'd bet on a 4th seed.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: nec13 on August 18, 2009, 01:20:48 AM
Apparently the Knicks are trying to swing a deal with the T-Wolves for Ricky Rubio.

And what the?

http://deadspin.com/5336263/nets-try-to-trick-fans-into-wearing-nets-gear (http://deadspin.com/5336263/nets-try-to-trick-fans-into-wearing-nets-gear)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dnk on August 18, 2009, 02:12:38 AM
Apparently the Knicks are trying to swing a deal with the T-Wolves for Ricky Rubio.

And what the?

http://deadspin.com/5336263/nets-try-to-trick-fans-into-wearing-nets-gear (http://deadspin.com/5336263/nets-try-to-trick-fans-into-wearing-nets-gear)

TRG, who's your favorite team?

I still don't know how a team that ostensibly has four best players that play two positions will fare (Rubio and Flynn at PG, Jefferson and Love at PF). It'll definitely be interesting to watch if they keep that core, but I think I'd rather see Flynn do what he does and be a flat out point than pigeonholed into some weird hybrid guard position. Especially at his height. A Rubio-Flynn-Brewer-Love-Jefferson lineup is intriguing, but I don't know how it'd work out. I think Flynn's got a pretty good chance (40%?) of being the rookie of the year next year.

I can't believe Ramon Sessions can't find a team. He might just be asking for too much money. But I think he's going to be a really good point guard for somebody. I was sold two years ago in his rookie season when he had 8 assists and scored a game-winning jumper against the Wizards.

That Nets stuff is hilarious. So desperate. But it'll be the first time anybody but Jarvis Hayes will own a Jarvis Hayes jersey, so there's that.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: nec13 on August 18, 2009, 02:20:52 AM
Probably the Knicks. It seemed like they were always on the NBA on NBC on Sundays. So I grew up with Patrick Chewing, John Starks, Derek Harper, etc. Needless to say, the Tapscott-Layden-Zeke era made the Knicks difficult to watch. But I like where they're headed now. I hope they're able to get Rubio. Rubio-Gallinari-Chandler isn't a bad group to build around. 
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: betheboy on August 18, 2009, 02:26:50 AM
Long time Knicks fan living in LA.  Since the Knicks have been so terrible for the last several years I've been getting my NBA fix anywhere else I can (basically anyone but the Lakers).  As far as the Wizards go I'd love to see them do well, it's been way too long since they put a title contender on the floor I don't think they will have all of the pieces this year but they have the talent to finish top 5 in the east and win a playoff round.  not to state the obvious but I think the Cavs will be the team to beat in the East, LeBron James will continue to be a force and Shaq should still have enough in the tank to give a solid 25 minutes a night at least, taking some pressure off of LeBron.  If they can get even league average production from their other starters they can secure a #1 seed.

In the West the Lakers are still going to be a force although the Artest signing will make things interesting.  I'm expecting that San Antonio will finally begin to show their age Denver and Portland will contend for the #2 seed but that's mostly based on a gut feeling.  
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on August 18, 2009, 03:28:39 AM
Probably the Knicks. It seemed like they were always on the NBA on NBC on Sundays. So I grew up with Patrick Chewing, John Starks, Derek Harper, etc. Needless to say, the Tapscott-Layden-Zeke era made the Knicks difficult to watch. But I like where they're headed now. I hope they're able to get Rubio. Rubio-Gallinari-Chandler isn't a bad group to build around. 

No way the Knicks are getting Rubio without getting rid of Chandler. I don't think the Knicks have any shot anyway, it's media hype. All they have to offer are marginal players w/o much upside at positions that the Wolves don't need. If McHale was still running the team he'd already be gone for probably Nate Robinson and David Lee but the Wolves aren't the dumping ground of the league anymore.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on August 18, 2009, 10:44:39 AM
I'm expecting that San Antonio will finally begin to show their age

I've been thinking this for at least the last 4 years and somehow it hasn't happened.  I actually think if they can keep Parker/Manu/Duncan healthy they have a real shot against the Lakers.  Getting Blair that late in the draft was unbelievable.

I'm curious to see if the Bulls can build on last season.  Gordon is gone, but I'm not so sure that will be as much of a loss as people think.  Sure, he could score in bunches but he really didn't do much else.  I think a full season of Salmons/Miller will be good.  I'm hoping Rose will make another big leap - I really think in the next year or two he'll be in the discussion for best PG in the game.  Of course, I'm also hoping that Wade will come to Chicago in 2010.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: nec13 on August 18, 2009, 11:34:52 AM
Probably the Knicks. It seemed like they were always on the NBA on NBC on Sundays. So I grew up with Patrick Chewing, John Starks, Derek Harper, etc. Needless to say, the Tapscott-Layden-Zeke era made the Knicks difficult to watch. But I like where they're headed now. I hope they're able to get Rubio. Rubio-Gallinari-Chandler isn't a bad group to build around. 

No way the Knicks are getting Rubio without getting rid of Chandler. I don't think the Knicks have any shot anyway, it's media hype. All they have to offer are marginal players w/o much upside at positions that the Wolves don't need. If McHale was still running the team he'd already be gone for probably Nate Robinson and David Lee but the Wolves aren't the dumping ground of the league anymore.

Yeah I know it's probably a pipe dream. The Knicks really wanted Stephen Curry, but didn't have the ammunition to move up in the draft. I think it's all about trying to build a team to attract LeBron. He's not coming to a team with middling talent, regardless of the endorsement opportunities to had.

Then again, I've always thought that the "2010 strategy" was stupid. I'd rather the Knicks cultivate their own talent than pay for someone else's.

I do think the T-Wolves will move Rubio, maybe not to the Knicks, but definitely somewhere else.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Amplituden on August 18, 2009, 06:39:52 PM
I am interested in seeing how Detroit's moves pan out.
Ben Gordon + Charlie V. & Ben Wallace.
I wonder if they are going to deal Tayshawn or Rip when the season starts.
Its probably not a championship year, but it should be interesting.

My other team, the Raptors. Have made some moves.  I have sort of given up on them a bit.  The big Turk might make them a little better, but I don't think it will make them dominate.

Thats my NBA 2 cents.

Also, the Freedarko/Disciples of Clyde podcast is great.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on August 18, 2009, 10:12:09 PM
If Villenueva can be consistent he could be a key to a championship team. It will be interesting to see how he succeeds on a team with some talent. Detroit could be a dark horse.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dnk on August 18, 2009, 10:47:18 PM
Quick, off-the-cuff, pre-preseason power-as-seen-by-dnk rankings:

WEST
1. Lakers - Defending champs. At the worst, they just treaded water over the offseason. Personally, I don't think Artest is too much of an upgrade over Ariza, but we'll see.
2. Spurs - Such a potent lineup. Just depends on health. The Celtics of the West.
3. Nuggets - The team I like to support in the Western Conference. I like Melo and I like Chauncey. Hopefully J. R. Smith matures a little.
4. Blazers - We'll see how Miller meshes with the Blazers. I'm a big fan of Roy.
5. Mavs - I think they have a chance at being a higher seed, maybe even third, but I don't think they make it to the WCF or beyond.
6. Jazz
7. Hornets
8. Suns

EAST
1. Cavs (groan) - They will win a lot of games. But I still don't know if I see them reaching the Finals. I think another team could easily beat them in a best of 7. They still have too many role players and not a good second or third fiddle. Mo Williams would be a good third or fourth guy, but I don't like him as the second option. And I don't see Shaq doing too much damage, especially without the mystic Phoenix medical staff by his side.
2. Celtics - Such a potent lineup. Just depends on health. The Spurs of the East.
3. Magic - Will probably take a while to mesh, but they are still very good.
4. Wizards - It'll take a while to find the group of players that know their roles and start playing good defense, but they'll score A LOT of points. PLEASE STAY HEALTHY. I also think they match up well with almost any team in the East so I wouldn't be surprised to see them make a run in the playoffs. But even if by some miracle, they have a Cinderella run to the Finals, any Western team in the Finals will beat them good in a 7-game series (not saying it would even reach 7 games).
5. Hawks - I don't think there's a lot of room for improvement. The team you saw last year is basically the team you'll get for the next three years (unless Teague or a new draft pick really shines). You know what you get with Bibby and JJ, I honestly don't see Marvin Williams or Josh Smith putting it all together (but I could definitely be wrong), and Horford (the guy who will improve) probably won't get enough touches.
6. Raptors - I don't think their offense is as good as the Wizards, and the defense might be just as bad, if not worse. The two key positions (PG and C as I see it) are flawed defensively; Calderon is not athletic enough on the perimeter and Bargnani just does not cut it as the anchor to a defense. But Hedo will help (although I don't think he was worth the money).
7. Bulls - I talk a little about them further down.
8. Heat

Give me your thoughts.

I'm expecting that San Antonio will finally begin to show their age

I've been thinking this for at least the last 4 years and somehow it hasn't happened.  I actually think if they can keep Parker/Manu/Duncan healthy they have a real shot against the Lakers.  Getting Blair that late in the draft was unbelievable.

I'm curious to see if the Bulls can build on last season.  Gordon is gone, but I'm not so sure that will be as much of a loss as people think.  Sure, he could score in bunches but he really didn't do much else.  I think a full season of Salmons/Miller will be good.  I'm hoping Rose will make another big leap - I really think in the next year or two he'll be in the discussion for best PG in the game.  Of course, I'm also hoping that Wade will come to Chicago in 2010.

I think Rose is a great player, but I think the presence of Gordon as a really legitimate three-point threat helped spread the floor and give Rose room to drive a lot more than Salmons will. I think they'd be better off running Rose and Hinrich as the starting backcourt. Make sure Rose doesn't tire himself out by letting Hinrich defend the better guard on the other team. And then maybe having Deng and James Johnson both play hybrid forward, with Noah anchoring the team at the 5. A pretty decent line-up, with a really solid bench (Brad Miller, Salmons, Jannero Pargo, and Tyrus Thomas). But at the moment, I still see them as around a 7th seed. But I would not at all be surprised if they proved to be better than that.

Probably the Knicks. It seemed like they were always on the NBA on NBC on Sundays. So I grew up with Patrick Chewing, John Starks, Derek Harper, etc. Needless to say, the Tapscott-Layden-Zeke era made the Knicks difficult to watch. But I like where they're headed now. I hope they're able to get Rubio. Rubio-Gallinari-Chandler isn't a bad group to build around.  

No way the Knicks are getting Rubio without getting rid of Chandler. I don't think the Knicks have any shot anyway, it's media hype. All they have to offer are marginal players w/o much upside at positions that the Wolves don't need. If McHale was still running the team he'd already be gone for probably Nate Robinson and David Lee but the Wolves aren't the dumping ground of the league anymore.

Yeah I know it's probably a pipe dream. The Knicks really wanted Stephen Curry, but didn't have the ammunition to move up in the draft. I think it's all about trying to build a team to attract LeBron. He's not coming to a team with middling talent, regardless of the endorsement opportunities to had.

Then again, I've always thought that the "2010 strategy" was stupid. I'd rather the Knicks cultivate their own talent than pay for someone else's.

I do think the T-Wolves will move Rubio, maybe not to the Knicks, but definitely somewhere else.

I think the 2010 strategy is terrible. For any of the teams trying it. At least have some semblance of dignity and put together a team that will at least challenge opponents. It's awful to expect fans to spend hard-earned dollars to watch a bare-bones skeletal team because you want to throw all your chips in for LeBron or Wade.

P.S. One thing you will notice about me is that I DESPISE LeBron. I acknowledge that he is very, very, very good at playing basketball. But I do not like him at all. Some brief reasons: how he always checks his mouth and nose for blood when he gets body checked, what he did to Gil at the line in the '06 playoffs, and his enormous ego.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on August 18, 2009, 10:57:13 PM
I think the 2010 strategy is ok for a few reasons:

1. There's nobody decent to spend money on this season and if you have bad salaries to get rid of and somebody will take them... well you take the deal.

2. You might not get Lebron but there are a ton of good players available next year and the majority of teams don't have the cap room to sign any of them. If you play your cards right you can end up with two very good players and move from the bottom of the league to playoff contenders in one offseason. This is the Wolves strategy I think and while they are going to have to scrape the bottom of the barrel because of location and market size they are still going to get a lot better and already have some good pieces.

3. If fans want to wade in mediocrity season after season that's up to them but a GM's job is to make a team better and sometimes that means tossing a season away. The fans will come back when the team gets good and the hardcore fans will continue to cheer on the team with high hopes for the future.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on August 19, 2009, 10:44:38 AM
P.S. One thing you will notice about me is that I DESPISE LeBron. I acknowledge that he is very, very, very good at playing basketball. But I do not like him at all. Some brief reasons: how he always checks his mouth and nose for blood when he gets body checked, what he did to Gil at the line in the '06 playoffs, and his enormous ego.

I don't know, for someone with his level of fame at such a young age, he seems pretty well adjusted.  I don't see how you could be the best basketball player in the world and not have some kind of ego.  I love watching him play, but I wish he had a better team around him.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on August 19, 2009, 01:47:41 PM
A question for anyone who watched Shaq vs. last night - is it worth watching?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: nec13 on August 19, 2009, 02:07:02 PM
I was watching it while listening to the show. It wasn't bad. Shaq was funny, as always. However, I could do without the cornball announcers and locker room interviews.

BTW, the final score was:

Ben Roethlisberger    21     Shaq    14
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: JohnU on August 19, 2009, 03:57:31 PM
Shaq's trainer seemed like a cool dude. Totally down to earth... not fake at all.

I love that there is a heavyweight NBA thread here in August.

Artest is going to be fun to watch with the Lakers this year. ...I say that even though I despise LA as an obsessive Portland fan. 

I wish Memet Okur would make another appearance on the Best Show. Those were good interviews. 
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: kevin_ on August 19, 2009, 11:42:03 PM
I enjoy Top NBA Tweets over at the Sporting News Baseline. http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/The_Baseline/tag/160299/nba_twitter

Recently, the tweets havent been as awesome as they were a couple months ago but there are some gems. Like: @DwightHoward Question. Does lol mean. Laughing out loud. Or lots of laughs

Lots of laughs!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on August 19, 2009, 11:55:19 PM
I enjoy Top NBA Tweets over at the Sporting News Baseline. http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/The_Baseline/tag/160299/nba_twitter

Recently, the tweets havent been as awesome as they were a couple months ago but there are some gems. Like: @DwightHoward Question. Does lol mean. Laughing out loud. Or lots of laughs

Lots of laughs!

Live Out Loud
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dnk on August 20, 2009, 05:27:28 AM
P.S. One thing you will notice about me is that I DESPISE LeBron. I acknowledge that he is very, very, very good at playing basketball. But I do not like him at all. Some brief reasons: how he always checks his mouth and nose for blood when he gets body checked, what he did to Gil at the line in the '06 playoffs, and his enormous ego.

I don't know, for someone with his level of fame at such a young age, he seems pretty well adjusted.  I don't see how you could be the best basketball player in the world and not have some kind of ego.  I love watching him play, but I wish he had a better team around him.

I'm sure he's a nice enough guy. And a lot of people have egos, let alone professional athletes. My favorite player is Gilbert Arenas. But I hate LeBron so I don't feel bad about using it as rationale. And he's got an extra big ego. And it's not like it's impossible to still be awesome at something and still be humble.

Here is a fun site (http://ihatelebronjames.com/?page_id=254) with a URL that was easy for me to find.

I don't think his non-shaking hands was as big of a deal as the media played it out to be. But he won't even come close to apologizing or saying he should have done something differently.

Also, I don't even really love watching him play as much as I do other people with his level of skill (and lower). He just kind of bullies his way into the lane, expecting a foul to be called when a charge could be, traveling every so often. His shot always shocks me when it goes in (I don't know why anymore, though, he's improved a lot). On the other hand, players like Kobe, Chris Paul, and Gil are people that come to mind that I just love watching play. They all play exciting basketball, with so many different ways of getting the ball in the basket or in another player's hands.

Again, disclaimer: I know LeBron is one of the top two basketball players in the league right now, but he could still dominate the league without resorting to his patented lip-check and phony appeals to the refs, without taking advantage of refs not being willing to call him for travels (and some charges).

Random questions: I know Tom used to work in some way with the NBA (he's talked on the air about doing stuff with the Celtics more than once). What did he do? Just regular sports journalism? And who does he support, team-wise?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on August 20, 2009, 08:51:53 AM
P.S. One thing you will notice about me is that I DESPISE LeBron. I acknowledge that he is very, very, very good at playing basketball. But I do not like him at all. Some brief reasons: how he always checks his mouth and nose for blood when he gets body checked, what he did to Gil at the line in the '06 playoffs, and his enormous ego.

I don't know, for someone with his level of fame at such a young age, he seems pretty well adjusted.  I don't see how you could be the best basketball player in the world and not have some kind of ego.  I love watching him play, but I wish he had a better team around him.

I'm sure he's a nice enough guy. And a lot of people have egos, let alone professional athletes. My favorite player is Gilbert Arenas. But I hate LeBron so I don't feel bad about using it as rationale. And he's got an extra big ego. And it's not like it's impossible to still be awesome at something and still be humble.

Here is a fun site (http://ihatelebronjames.com/?page_id=254) with a URL that was easy for me to find.

I don't think his non-shaking hands was as big of a deal as the media played it out to be. But he won't even come close to apologizing or saying he should have done something differently.

Also, I don't even really love watching him play as much as I do other people with his level of skill (and lower). He just kind of bullies his way into the lane, expecting a foul to be called when a charge could be, traveling every so often. His shot always shocks me when it goes in (I don't know why anymore, though, he's improved a lot). On the other hand, players like Kobe, Chris Paul, and Gil are people that come to mind that I just love watching play. They all play exciting basketball, with so many different ways of getting the ball in the basket or in another player's hands.

Wow, I'm not sure how you could love watching Kobe but not Lebron.  Arenas is not someone I've ever thought of as a creative passer but maybe you were mostly talking about Paul in that statement (though I admit to not watching many Wizards games).  Personally, everytime I watch Lebron he does at least one thing that amazes me (and it's not always on the offensive end) or that I've never seen before.  Re: your dislike for his barreling through the lane, he's certainly not the only guy who's guilty of it.  He's also not the only who makes phony appeals to refs (Duncan is quietly very good at this).

Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on August 20, 2009, 01:40:19 PM
A question for anyone who watched Shaq vs. last night - is it worth watching?

Interesting article (http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2009/08/19/20090819spt-boivinshaq.html) on how Shaq ripped off Nash's idea.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: nec13 on August 20, 2009, 02:10:09 PM
A question for anyone who watched Shaq vs. last night - is it worth watching?

Interesting article (http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2009/08/19/20090819spt-boivinshaq.html) on how Shaq ripped off Nash's idea.

That's The Big Aristotle being The Big Aristotle.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dnk on August 20, 2009, 02:35:02 PM
P.S. One thing you will notice about me is that I DESPISE LeBron. I acknowledge that he is very, very, very good at playing basketball. But I do not like him at all. Some brief reasons: how he always checks his mouth and nose for blood when he gets body checked, what he did to Gil at the line in the '06 playoffs, and his enormous ego.

I don't know, for someone with his level of fame at such a young age, he seems pretty well adjusted.  I don't see how you could be the best basketball player in the world and not have some kind of ego.  I love watching him play, but I wish he had a better team around him.

I'm sure he's a nice enough guy. And a lot of people have egos, let alone professional athletes. My favorite player is Gilbert Arenas. But I hate LeBron so I don't feel bad about using it as rationale. And he's got an extra big ego. And it's not like it's impossible to still be awesome at something and still be humble.

Here is a fun site (http://ihatelebronjames.com/?page_id=254) with a URL that was easy for me to find.

I don't think his non-shaking hands was as big of a deal as the media played it out to be. But he won't even come close to apologizing or saying he should have done something differently.

Also, I don't even really love watching him play as much as I do other people with his level of skill (and lower). He just kind of bullies his way into the lane, expecting a foul to be called when a charge could be, traveling every so often. His shot always shocks me when it goes in (I don't know why anymore, though, he's improved a lot). On the other hand, players like Kobe, Chris Paul, and Gil are people that come to mind that I just love watching play. They all play exciting basketball, with so many different ways of getting the ball in the basket or in another player's hands.

Wow, I'm not sure how you could love watching Kobe but not Lebron.  Arenas is not someone I've ever thought of as a creative passer but maybe you were mostly talking about Paul in that statement (though I admit to not watching many Wizards games).  Personally, everytime I watch Lebron he does at least one thing that amazes me (and it's not always on the offensive end) or that I've never seen before.  Re: your dislike for his barreling through the lane, he's certainly not the only guy who's guilty of it.  He's also not the only who makes phony appeals to refs (Duncan is quietly very good at this).



Kobe is so creative at getting himself free for a shot. Like:
here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhA0zCJV6mc&feature=related)
here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l053a5oYxc)
(Heh, although if those clips included either the words "vs. Wizards" or "LeBron," I'm sure I'd be examining more closely for traveling.)

Re: Gil's passing, I was talking MORE about Paul there, but Gil does have very good vision, and some of my favorite plays I've seen him do were passes, a lot of times just awesome football outlet passes to a soon-to-be-dunking-or-laying-up Caron Butler, DeShawn Stevenson, or Larry Hughes. I love those.

I know LeBron's not the only person guilty of doing things I dislike him for, but perhaps it's best to say I disliked him because of '06 playoffs against the Wizards, and then these other things I'm mentioning I notice because of that dislike and further it.

EDIT: I didn't know the videos would embed. So I made my post a little more reader-friendly.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on August 20, 2009, 03:28:36 PM
I know LeBron's not the only person guilty of doing things I dislike him for, but perhaps it's best to say I disliked him because of '06 playoffs against the Wizards, and then these other things I'm mentioning I notice because of that dislike and further it.

That makes more sense to me.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dnk on September 01, 2009, 10:43:03 PM
So Rubio's staying in Europe for at least another two seasons. I'm happy in that Flynn will hopefully get a chance to really shine without being forced to play some weird role he's not suited for.

Man, the season can't start soon enough.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on September 02, 2009, 01:13:28 AM
On one hand, Rubio is 18, he's going to be immature and change his mind a lot. But on the other hand, he entered the NBA draft with all intentions to join the NBA. If he didn't want in he should have said so and teams would have drafted accordingly. International players declare all the time and wait to make the jump... but it's known before hand that they aren't coming. I really hope the Wolves keep him just to give a message to international players that they can't pull this crap and expect to play in the top league in the world. College players don't whine, they prove themselves and let the situation work itself out when free agency hits... which is in 3 freaking years. The NBA system is completely fair, you get a good salary and you aren't locked down and as long as you are 1st round the money's guaranteed.

The oddest thing about this situation is his agent seemed to be on the Wolves side. Either he's the idiot or his family and friends are idiots.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dnk on September 02, 2009, 01:35:26 AM
On one hand, Rubio is 18, he's going to be immature and change his mind a lot. But on the other hand, he entered the NBA draft with all intentions to join the NBA. If he didn't want in he should have said so and teams would have drafted accordingly. International players declare all the time and wait to make the jump... but it's known before hand that they aren't coming. I really hope the Wolves keep him just to give a message to international players that they can't pull this crap and expect to play in the top league in the world. College players don't whine, they prove themselves and let the situation work itself out when free agency hits... which is in 3 freaking years. The NBA system is completely fair, you get a good salary and you aren't locked down and as long as you are 1st round the money's guaranteed.

The oddest thing about this situation is his agent seemed to be on the Wolves side. Either he's the idiot or his family and friends are idiots.

While I think Minnesota being Minnesota played a BIT of a role, I really think it was just more of a problem with the buy-out and where he was picked, draft-pick-wise, rather than team-wise. He makes a lot less money as the #5 pick, and thus has less money to use for the buy-out. NBA teams can only contribute $500,000. So whatever they whittled down the $8 million buy-out down to less $500,000 and whatever local endorsements (of which I read there were a decent amount, especially for a small market like Minnesota) would be coming out of Rubio's pocket.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on September 02, 2009, 10:31:23 AM
On one hand, Rubio is 18, he's going to be immature and change his mind a lot. But on the other hand, he entered the NBA draft with all intentions to join the NBA. If he didn't want in he should have said so and teams would have drafted accordingly. International players declare all the time and wait to make the jump... but it's known before hand that they aren't coming. I really hope the Wolves keep him just to give a message to international players that they can't pull this crap and expect to play in the top league in the world. College players don't whine, they prove themselves and let the situation work itself out when free agency hits... which is in 3 freaking years. The NBA system is completely fair, you get a good salary and you aren't locked down and as long as you are 1st round the money's guaranteed.

The oddest thing about this situation is his agent seemed to be on the Wolves side. Either he's the idiot or his family and friends are idiots.

While I think Minnesota being Minnesota played a BIT of a role, I really think it was just more of a problem with the buy-out and where he was picked, draft-pick-wise, rather than team-wise. He makes a lot less money as the #5 pick, and thus has less money to use for the buy-out. NBA teams can only contribute $500,000. So whatever they whittled down the $8 million buy-out down to less $500,000 and whatever local endorsements (of which I read there were a decent amount, especially for a small market like Minnesota) would be coming out of Rubio's pocket.

While that may be true, didn't he say something about being willing to play for free?  I think it probably boils down to the fact that he wasn't interested in entering that particular situation with Flynn.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: pizzaparty on September 02, 2009, 04:55:58 PM
If the Spurs fail to win the Championship this season, I will promise to unfollow the real shaq.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on September 02, 2009, 05:02:43 PM
It's not about the buyout, his agent worked really hard to make it worth his while to come to MN. He just doesn't want to play here. I think it's good for Flynn, because he always would have been out of position and probably would have been developmentally stifled. I'm undecided if this is good or bad for the Wolves. My gut feeling is bad. But, there wasn't anybody that would have helped the Wolves at pick #5, so I think it was worth the risk.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on September 02, 2009, 05:12:17 PM
It's not about the buyout, his agent worked really hard to make it worth his while to come to MN. He just doesn't want to play here. I think it's good for Flynn, because he always would have been out of position and probably would have been developmentally stifled. I'm undecided if this is good or bad for the Wolves. My gut feeling is bad. But, there wasn't anybody that would have helped the Wolves at pick #5, so I think it was worth the risk.

Couldn't they have tried a little harder to trade the pick?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: fonpr on September 02, 2009, 05:20:34 PM
You guys aren't helping TerG with his "Problem".

No more sports talk for a while please.

Be considerate.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on September 02, 2009, 07:45:48 PM
It's not about the buyout, his agent worked really hard to make it worth his while to come to MN. He just doesn't want to play here. I think it's good for Flynn, because he always would have been out of position and probably would have been developmentally stifled. I'm undecided if this is good or bad for the Wolves. My gut feeling is bad. But, there wasn't anybody that would have helped the Wolves at pick #5, so I think it was worth the risk.

Couldn't they have tried a little harder to trade the pick?

I suppose, but they still have his rights. They can trade his rights at any time, but there's not a rush on that especially since the team is young and players need to be evaluated. Plus, Rubio will most likely get better and prove himself with a better team so his value will go up. It could go down, but if what the Knicks were offering was the best available, I think Kahn played this right.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: fonpr on September 02, 2009, 09:56:04 PM
It's not about the buyout, his agent worked really hard to make it worth his while to come to MN. He just doesn't want to play here. I think it's good for Flynn, because he always would have been out of position and probably would have been developmentally stifled. I'm undecided if this is good or bad for the Wolves. My gut feeling is bad. But, there wasn't anybody that would have helped the Wolves at pick #5, so I think it was worth the risk.

Couldn't they have tried a little harder to trade the pick?

GILLY

I suppose, but they still have his rights. They can trade his rights at any time, but there's not a rush on that especially since the team is young and players need to be evaluated. Plus, Rubio will most likely get better and prove himself with a better team so his value will go up. It could go down, but if what the Knicks were offering was the best available, I think Kahn played this right.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on September 02, 2009, 11:00:25 PM
You guys aren't helping TerG with his "Problem".

No more sports talk for a while please.

Be considerate.

Did I miss something?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: fonpr on September 02, 2009, 11:01:33 PM
You guys aren't helping TerG with his "Problem".

No more sports talk for a while please.

Be considerate.

Did I miss something?


Yes!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: JohnU on September 03, 2009, 07:20:44 PM
I think Minnesota lucked out. They don't have to pay Rubio during puberty (with all of the growth spurts, moodiness, awkward voice changes) and they'll be able to sign a grown man to a manly contract in three years.

Sure, he won't be as cute and boyish, but he also won't be pounded on by every other basketball player.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dnk on September 03, 2009, 07:49:57 PM
I think Minnesota lucked out. They don't have to pay Rubio during puberty (with all of the growth spurts, moodiness, awkward voice changes) and they'll be able to sign a grown man to a manly contract in three years.

Sure, he won't be as cute and boyish, but he also won't be pounded on by every other basketball player.

He's 18 years old. I think he's pretty much done with puberty. And the opt-out is in two years, I believe.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: JohnU on September 03, 2009, 07:58:54 PM
I think Minnesota lucked out. They don't have to pay Rubio during puberty (with all of the growth spurts, moodiness, awkward voice changes) and they'll be able to sign a grown man to a manly contract in three years.

Sure, he won't be as cute and boyish, but he also won't be pounded on by every other basketball player.

He's 18 years old. I think he's pretty much done with puberty. And the opt-out is in two years, I believe.

I'm going more off of appearance and mannerisms. He has a child star aura that he needs to shake off before he comes west.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dnk on September 06, 2009, 06:40:03 PM
I think Minnesota lucked out. They don't have to pay Rubio during puberty (with all of the growth spurts, moodiness, awkward voice changes) and they'll be able to sign a grown man to a manly contract in three years.

Sure, he won't be as cute and boyish, but he also won't be pounded on by every other basketball player.

He's 18 years old. I think he's pretty much done with puberty. And the opt-out is in two years, I believe.

I'm going more off of appearance and mannerisms. He has a child star aura that he needs to shake off before he comes west.

I wouldn't really know, I haven't interacted with the guy or even watched any interviews with him. I've only seen some select mixes on YouTube.

So Ramon Sessions signed a four-year, $16 million offer sheet with the Wolves. Weird. Definitely a good price, but I don't really know why they thought they needed him. I really like both Flynn and Sessions, so I'd hate to see some implosion over playing time or something. It's also a decently long deal and Sessions is pretty young. I think it would have made more sense to sign a stop-gap guy for one season than yet another guy to possibly make Flynn feel slighted (although he seems to have a good head on his shoulders and will probably be fine with the competition). It seems like Kahn is only interested in stockpiling assets, without any regard for team fit or this season.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on October 28, 2009, 01:51:26 PM
Figured that I'd bump this since the season started last night.

I feel bad for Blake Griffin, the Clippers bad luck will never end.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on October 28, 2009, 03:52:58 PM
The Wolves are going to be unbelievably bad for the first month until Love comes back. For awhile, it looked like Jefferson might have had to miss some time, which would have resulted in the worst starting five the Wolves have put on the court on opening night. It could have been the worst team any NBA team started out with. That said, I am very excited for opening night. I really hope there is a team that surprises everyone this year because it seems that everybody is counting out all but 5 teams.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on October 28, 2009, 04:17:00 PM
I really hope there is a team that surprises everyone this year because it seems that everybody is counting out all but 5 teams.

Besides the Bulls, for obvious reasons, the team I'm most interested in this year is Oklahoma City.  They've got a couple interesting young guys and it seems like they could make a big leap this year.  I'm also interested in what might be the Spurs last Duncan-led run.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on October 28, 2009, 05:14:25 PM
OK City should be fun to watch. I think they're a year away though unless at least two of their non-Durant players really make a huge leap this year... I think they win 30-35 games this year and next year they'll make the playoffs. Spurs definitely have a shot, they are one of the five teams that are being given a chance along with the Cavs, Celtics, Lakers and Magic. I don't think anyone should be counting out Portland, New Orleans and Washington and there are 6-7 other teams that probably only need one of their players to progress into a star this year to become a legitimate contender.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Andy on October 28, 2009, 05:57:26 PM
just FYI: The Thunder start their championship run tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Barry Egan on October 28, 2009, 09:08:41 PM
The "NBA League Pass" is free for the next few days on nba.com.  Good stuff!

http://www.nba.com/leaguepass/online.html?cid=nba46
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on October 28, 2009, 09:34:05 PM
The "NBA League Pass" is free for the next few days on nba.com.  Good stuff!


Thanks for the heads up.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on October 28, 2009, 11:07:09 PM
If you have cable or satellite, it's free for a week or two as well. My local cable provider doesn't have it in high def otherwise I would probably pay for the season. #1st world problems
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Barry Egan on October 28, 2009, 11:16:32 PM
What's infuriating is that local games are blacked out online, which would be understandable, except that here in DC all local games are only broadcast on cable. So if I don't have Comcast but spend the 150 bucks for an online season pass, I can enjoy every game from every team EXCEPT the Wizards.

 Is there a way to make my IP address show up as Utah?  My hibachi is not pleased.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0EgQdXd4xI[/youtube]
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on October 29, 2009, 12:56:01 AM
I don't like it either, but the local station pays good money for the rights to air those games and commercial space is sold based on ratings shares. So, it's not going to change anytime soon. The NBA will always black it out, but maybe the stations will stream online down the road. But, online streaming is looking like it might have a price attached to it in the near future.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: ben on November 16, 2009, 02:39:45 AM
Brandon Jennings!  I had no idea he was supposed to be this good. 

Go Bucks!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on November 16, 2009, 12:09:59 PM
Brandon Jennings!  I had no idea he was supposed to be this good. 

Go Bucks!

No kidding. The Knicks have to be kicking themselves.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on November 16, 2009, 01:08:15 PM
Everybody says that about the Knicks but I think everyone who picked before the Bucks except maybe... maybe the Clippers will be kicking themselves. I mean the Knicks made a bad pick but I think the Wolves would rather have Jennings than Flynn right about now... they just might not be kicking themselves as hard.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on November 16, 2009, 02:27:35 PM
Everybody says that about the Knicks but I think everyone who picked before the Bucks except maybe... maybe the Clippers will be kicking themselves. I mean the Knicks made a bad pick but I think the Wolves would rather have Jennings than Flynn right about now... they just might not be kicking themselves as hard.

But Flynn is still highly regarded. Jordan Hill? Not so much.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on November 16, 2009, 03:37:47 PM
I suppose. But, I can't believe that so many GM's didn't have a better read on this kid. I wonder how many high schoolers are going to try the route he took now.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: nec13 on November 16, 2009, 04:55:07 PM
Brandon Jennings!  I had no idea he was supposed to be this good. 

Go Bucks!

No kidding. The Knicks have to be kicking themselves.

The Knicks had no intention of taking Brandon Jennings, as Donnie Walsh barely spent any time scouting him. The player they desperately wanted was Stephen Curry. When Golden State took Curry with the #7 pick, the Knicks went with their second choice, which was Jordan Hill.

However, the Knicks problems run a lot deeper than just one botched draft pick. Since the departure of Ernie Grunfeld, the Knicks have been the most ineptly run franchise in the sport. Just look at their inexplicable free agent signings (Jerome James, Jared Jeffries, etc.), terrible draft picks (Michael Sweetney, Frederic Weis, Channing Frye) and nonsensical trades (Eddy Curry, Q-Rich, Marbury). Their abysmal play should surprise no one. Unfortunately for them, there is very little chance that things improve in the near future.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on November 16, 2009, 05:20:13 PM
terrible draft picks (Channing Frye)

Funny that Frye has turned into a solid outside shooting big man in Phoenix.

And of course the Knicks problems run much deeper than this particular draft, but it's one of the first mistakes made in the post-Isiah era (where the whole mess basically started).
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: nec13 on November 16, 2009, 05:48:58 PM
You make a valid point about Channing Frye. The Knicks really never gave him a chance to succeed.

Regarding your second point, I don't necessarily agree with the assertion that the Jennings non-selection is the first bad decision of the post-Isiah era. The Jordan Hill pick looks bad now, but by the end of the season, it may not be so egregious. I think it's too early to make any type of definitive judgment on Hill because he has barely played. Moreover, when he has seen playing time, he has been decent. He doesn't have the ceiling of a Brandon Jennings, but he definitely has the potential to be a good NBA player.

And I think the Knicks problems began during the Scott Layden era. Layden poured the gasoline. Isiah lit the match.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on November 16, 2009, 08:24:03 PM
I don't know, Jordan Hill might not be bad, but players that are never given the opportunity turn into role players at best in most cases. It's way too early, but it says something that the worst team in the league isn't giving him much of a chance yet. NBA teams need to start using the D-League for players like Hill. When you draft a player knowing he needs to develop, why not play him in the "developmental league" instead of letting him waste away on the bench? It happens all the time because teams are afraid to send their 1st round picks to the D-League. Or, the league should make a rule like the NHL where you can draft a players rights and allow him to stay in college (even though NHL teams don't really want their players to stay in college but that's only because they have established minor league systems).
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: buffcoat on November 16, 2009, 09:22:55 PM
The Clippers aren't scheduled to stop kicking themselves until February 2028, and that's if they don't do anything NEW that's stupid.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on November 17, 2009, 09:59:53 AM
You make a valid point about Channing Frye. The Knicks really never gave him a chance to succeed.

Regarding your second point, I don't necessarily agree with the assertion that the Jennings non-selection is the first bad decision of the post-Isiah era. The Jordan Hill pick looks bad now, but by the end of the season, it may not be so egregious. I think it's too early to make any type of definitive judgment on Hill because he has barely played. Moreover, when he has seen playing time, he has been decent. He doesn't have the ceiling of a Brandon Jennings, but he definitely has the potential to be a good NBA player.

I don't really know enough about to Hill to say that he'll be a bust, I was just thinking more along the lines that with D'Antoni's system it's much more important to have a good uptempo PG and I don't think Duhon or Robinson really qualifies.

I don't know, Jordan Hill might not be bad, but players that are never given the opportunity turn into role players at best in most cases. It's way too early, but it says something that the worst team in the league isn't giving him much of a chance yet. NBA teams need to start using the D-League for players like Hill. When you draft a player knowing he needs to develop, why not play him in the "developmental league" instead of letting him waste away on the bench? It happens all the time because teams are afraid to send their 1st round picks to the D-League. Or, the league should make a rule like the NHL where you can draft a players rights and allow him to stay in college (even though NHL teams don't really want their players to stay in college but that's only because they have established minor league systems).

I agree, it seems like they've slowly been trying to improve on this the last few years but obviously there is a long way to go.  Instead of letting them play in college, I think it would make sense for them to play in Europe for a year or two (until the NBA does better with the D-League).  If you look over the D-League rosters it's mostly a lot of undrafted guys or Mateen Cleeves-types.  Every year there are a handful of big men drafted in the first round that are just projects and these guys sit on the bench for a few years before being labeled busts.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dnk on November 18, 2009, 06:45:11 PM
I don't know, Jordan Hill might not be bad, but players that are never given the opportunity turn into role players at best in most cases. It's way too early, but it says something that the worst team in the league isn't giving him much of a chance yet. NBA teams need to start using the D-League for players like Hill. When you draft a player knowing he needs to develop, why not play him in the "developmental league" instead of letting him waste away on the bench? It happens all the time because teams are afraid to send their 1st round picks to the D-League. Or, the league should make a rule like the NHL where you can draft a players rights and allow him to stay in college (even though NHL teams don't really want their players to stay in college but that's only because they have established minor league systems).

Even though I wish the Wizards utilized the D-League a lot more (both in terms of sending down players and calling up standouts (how Will Conroy can't stick on an NBA team is beyond me)), there are plenty of arguments for not sending down players that rack up DNP-CDs:

-Some D-League affiliates don't run the same offense as the NBA team
-They can practice against real, honest-to-goodness pros day and night, rather than being fairly dominant like they probably were from wherever they were drafted (college or overseas)
-They can work with the NBA coaches on what the NBA coaches want them to work on
-Team camaraderie

Obviously the last is pretty bad, but the first three are pretty decent arguments.

Hopefully the Wizards turn it around tonight. First game with the team's best seven players (Arenas, Jamison, Butler, Haywood, Miller, Blatche, and Foye). The Cavs are coming off a back to back and are missing Shaq, Delonte, Varejao, and possibly Moon. And the Wizards have got to win sometime. Here we go!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on November 18, 2009, 10:26:09 PM
I don't know, Jordan Hill might not be bad, but players that are never given the opportunity turn into role players at best in most cases. It's way too early, but it says something that the worst team in the league isn't giving him much of a chance yet. NBA teams need to start using the D-League for players like Hill. When you draft a player knowing he needs to develop, why not play him in the "developmental league" instead of letting him waste away on the bench? It happens all the time because teams are afraid to send their 1st round picks to the D-League. Or, the league should make a rule like the NHL where you can draft a players rights and allow him to stay in college (even though NHL teams don't really want their players to stay in college but that's only because they have established minor league systems).

Even though I wish the Wizards utilized the D-League a lot more (both in terms of sending down players and calling up standouts (how Will Conroy can't stick on an NBA team is beyond me)), there are plenty of arguments for not sending down players that rack up DNP-CDs:

-Some D-League affiliates don't run the same offense as the NBA team
-They can practice against real, honest-to-goodness pros day and night, rather than being fairly dominant like they probably were from wherever they were drafted (college or overseas)
-They can work with the NBA coaches on what the NBA coaches want them to work on
-Team camaraderie

Those are all true with the current D-League, but if it were to be more of a true minor league system those issues probably wouldn't be as big.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Cotton on November 28, 2009, 08:18:32 PM
Being on the other side of the country and knowing their attendance numbers, it PAINS me to think how much the Sixers' front office is considering bringing Iverson back to the team.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Andy on January 13, 2010, 02:43:50 PM
“Seattle may be a good city, but there’s one thing that they don’t have, and that’s a basketball team.”
—David Thompson, Greater
Oklahoma City Chamber chairman and president of the OPUBCO Communications Group, speaking at the chamber’s annual meeting Jan. 7 at the Cox Business Services Convention Center

Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: chuck from cedar rapids on January 14, 2010, 02:31:57 PM
“Seattle may be a good city, but there’s one thing that they don’t have, and that’s a basketball team.”
—David Thompson, Greater
Oklahoma City Chamber chairman and president of the OPUBCO Communications Group, speaking at the chamber’s annual meeting Jan. 7 at the Cox Business Services Convention Center



I have taken a page out of Bill Simmons' playbook and refer to OKC's team as the Zombie Sonics.

Also, tough break for Blake Griffin! I feel bad for the Clips.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Chris L on January 14, 2010, 02:42:44 PM
Not sure why the NRA (not NBA) haven't thrown a massive support campaign behind Gilbert Arenas, especially since they're now saying he owns hundereds of guns.  Like some of their members haven't pulled their share of firearms-related practical jokes ("define 'lethal'").
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Andy on March 03, 2010, 12:56:17 AM
The best nickname for the OKC Thunder:  The Der.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Pregnant Pause on March 11, 2010, 04:12:27 PM
The Western Conference Playoffs are going to be so good, I wish they started next week instead of March Madness.

My dream first round:
Lakers – Spurs
Portland – Utah
Denver – OKC (Carmelo dueling Durant would be fantastic)
Phoenix – Dallas

I might as well just live at the bars for the May and June.   
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: senorcorazon on March 12, 2010, 08:53:43 AM
The Western Conference Playoffs are going to be so good, I wish they started next week instead of March Madness.

My dream first round:
Lakers – Spurs
Portland – Utah
Denver – OKC (Carmelo dueling Durant would be fantastic)
Phoenix – Dallas

I might as well just live at the bars for the May and June.   

Don't worry, the playoffs go up for approximately 85 weeks.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on May 03, 2010, 08:28:02 PM
It would be cool to see Phil Jackson go back to Chicago now that Del Negro was canned. I'd love to see how great of a coach he is since he's always had one of the greatest players ever to lead his team and if he could take a borderline playoff team to a championship without major additions. But, you gotta think that if he goes, wherever he goes, he's bringing Lebron with him.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on May 03, 2010, 08:42:17 PM
It would be cool to see Phil Jackson go back to Chicago now that Del Negro was canned. I'd love to see how great of a coach he is since he's always had one of the greatest players ever to lead his team and if he could take a borderline playoff team to a championship without major additions. But, you gotta think that if he goes, wherever he goes, he's bringing Lebron with him.

I just can't see him coming back to the Bulls, even though I'd love it. None of the early rumored candidates excite me at all - right now it's a handful of guys with minimal experience + Byron Scott and Lawrence Frank (I think I like him?). If there's anything to be learned from the Del Negro experience, it's never hire a guy who has absolutely zero coaching experience. Didn't make sense at the time, and despite making the playoffs two straight years, still doesn't make sense. Watching that Bucks/Hawks series, I couldn't help but think that Skiles would've been a good coach for Rose and Noah, two guys who give a shit. Instead he got stuck with Tyrus Thomas.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on May 04, 2010, 03:41:25 PM
Yeah, it's crazy that the top league in the world has teams hiring coaches who haven't coached even at the college level. That has to be frustrating for guys who have put their time in.

I think there's a good chance Chicago could be the winner of the 2010 free agent bonanza. They have the ability to sign two max contracts and if Phil Jackson comes back I think they'll be Lebron and Chris Bosh... and that would be one of the best teams ever with Rose, Lebron, Bosh, Noah and Deng with Hinrich as a 6th man. Or trading Hinrich to bring in specialty players.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on May 14, 2010, 04:20:23 PM
I'm not going to allow myself to get sucked into the rumors that Lebron is coming to Chicago with Calipari. Mostly because the thought of that scumbag as the Bulls coach makes me sick.

Boy were those last 2 Lebron performances disappointing.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: JohnU on May 14, 2010, 05:16:15 PM
I think he'll be in New York with Chris Bosh (who has his same agent).

If New Jersey gets John Wall with the number one pick, he might pick the Nets to play for Jay-Z and that Russian dude. Brook Lopez!

I would bet money on one of those two options.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on May 14, 2010, 05:50:39 PM
Miami or Chicago. I just can't see him waiting a couple seasons to try to win a championship with the Knicks or Nets. In Miami or Chicago there already are stars there and brining in two more will give him the best chance to win for the same money. New York isn't going to make him more visible and give him more endorsement deals than he already has, and the Bulls are probably a more marketable team anyway.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: nec13 on May 17, 2010, 02:42:22 PM
If LeBron wants to win multiple championships, he would sign with Oklahoma City. A team with Durant, Westbrook, James, et al. would be a dominant force over the next 5-10 years.

Of course, there's not a chance in hell that he signs with OKC. In the end, I think he will sign with the Bulls to play with Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah. If they could somehow find a taker for Luol Deng's albatross of a contract, then the Bulls could probably fit in a second max contract and make it even more enticing for LeBron.

I don't see LeBron signing with the Knicks. The Knicks should have enough cap room to sign two max free agents, but I don't believe that they have the supporting cast necessary to compete for a title immediately. Wilson Chandler and Danilo Gallinari are nice players, but not nearly as good as what a team such as Chicago or Miami (or even New Jersey) can offer.

Personally, I hope he re-signs in Cleveland. However, for myriad reasons, I don't think that will happen.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: senorcorazon on May 18, 2010, 07:59:28 AM
The best moment is going to be the morning after he doesn't sign with the Knicks, and the front office has to realize that maybe slash-and-burn isn't a way to build a team. D'Antoni will have to look hard at that moustache in the mirror.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: nec13 on May 18, 2010, 09:36:37 AM
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qY1dQldCtOI[/youtube]

How could LeBron NOT stay after this?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Pregnant Pause on May 18, 2010, 09:58:24 AM
The best moment is going to be the morning after he doesn't sign with the Knicks, and the front office has to realize that maybe slash-and-burn isn't a way to build a team. D'Antoni will have to look hard at that moustache in the mirror.

Then they can start talking themselves into Carmelo in 2011
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: JohnU on May 18, 2010, 11:02:59 AM
Slash and burn is a good way to build a team. Start with no payroll and no players and bring in young talented guys through the draft who you don't have to pay a lot. Then, sign a legit top ten player if you can. What the Knicks had been doing is bringing in washed-up former All Stars and paying them insanely huge contracts and trading away draft picks. They were handcuffed for a decade. This is a better plan even if they don't get Lebron or Wade. Portland and Oklahoma went from last place to playoff contenders in three or four years using this approach.

I don't see Chicago as that much more appealing than staying in Cleveland. Lebron is already King of the Midwest. Noah is the same dude as Varajao. Rose isn't a sure thing. I think he's been given everything he wants in Cleveland and he'll only leave to fulfill his media titan fantasies in New York. Going on dates with Madonna and Kate Hudson. Ringing the morning bell on Wall Street... That kind of stuff!

Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: nec13 on May 18, 2010, 11:35:14 AM
There's also a great deal of luck involved, as the NBA Draft is a crapshoot. Slash and burn only works if your team is fortunate enough to successfully hit on its draft picks, something which Portland and OKC have been able to do.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: gravy boat on May 18, 2010, 12:20:00 PM
. I think he's been given everything he wants in Cleveland and he'll only leave to fulfill his media titan fantasies in New York. Going on dates with Madonna and Kate Hudson. Ringing the morning bell on Wall Street... That kind of stuff!



Yep. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on May 18, 2010, 02:13:46 PM
I don't see Chicago as that much more appealing than staying in Cleveland. Lebron is already King of the Midwest. Noah is the same dude as Varajao. Rose isn't a sure thing.

No way. I think Noah has more offensive potential. Hair-wise I'd go with Varajao.

Also, Rose is a sure thing, especially if you compare him to any other PG Lebron's played with. He's already a top 7 PG after only his 2nd year and he's only going to get better, especially if he develops his outside shot.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on May 18, 2010, 10:46:03 PM
 :-[

The lottery is the worst. McHale might have been bad but the lottery has crippled the Wolves year after year. It's stupid that the worst team in the league has a 25 percent chance to pick 1st. Absolutely stupid.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: senorcorazon on May 19, 2010, 08:50:21 AM
Slashing and burning can work if you've got a savvy front office, good scouts, and a unifying coach. Without all of those, you've got the the Clippers. I'm pleased to see that the Knicks are trying to get rid of sagging contracts and have a coach that's not under indictment but they're still going to need a hell of a lot of luck to turn it around. Then being this bad in the East -- imagine how much they'd blow it in the West?

"Vince Carter missed two critical free throws in the closing seconds of Game 2." How many months ago could you have written this photo caption?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: JohnU on May 20, 2010, 01:36:11 PM
My sources are telling me that LeBron will NOT be re-signing with Cleveland.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/20/calvin-murphy-lebron-jame_n_583135.html
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on May 20, 2010, 06:04:08 PM
"Vince Carter missed two critical free throws in the closing seconds of Game 2." How many months ago could you have written this photo caption?

Even better was the fact that he was 5-5 before that. I'm just disappointed the Suns don't have a shot because I really dislike the remaining teams.

My sources are telling me that LeBron will NOT be re-signing with Cleveland.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/20/calvin-murphy-lebron-jame_n_583135.html

I hope we get confirmation from Shawn Kemp next.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jamesp on May 22, 2010, 07:24:36 PM
Slash and burn is a good way to build a team. Start with no payroll and no players and bring in young talented guys through the draft who you don't have to pay a lot. Then, sign a legit top ten player if you can. What the Knicks had been doing is bringing in washed-up former All Stars and paying them insanely huge contracts and trading away draft picks. They were handcuffed for a decade. This is a better plan even if they don't get Lebron or Wade. Portland and Oklahoma went from last place to playoff contenders in three or four years using this approach.


You're missing the fact that the Knicks traded their draft picks in 2010 as part of their dumb deals this decade. They've only got picks #38 and #39. I don't think the Knicks have shown good judgment with past picks and don't see them having a front office that is smart enough to become an OKC or Portland.

I don't care much about Mo Williams to begin with, but athletes having pitbull breeding businesses seems suspicious. Also saw on another site that he has three dogs named Capone, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.

http://www.esquire.com/the-side/lebron-james/mo-williams-pitbull-breeder-052110
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Chris L on May 30, 2010, 09:11:07 AM
This makes me feel better about the Suns losing.

(http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20100530/capt.924668aff9c5466198506e1b2efdbfde-924668aff9c5466198506e1b2efdbfde-0.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: senorcorazon on May 31, 2010, 09:46:51 AM
This makes me feel better about the Suns losing.

(http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20100530/capt.924668aff9c5466198506e1b2efdbfde-924668aff9c5466198506e1b2efdbfde-0.jpg)

There it is.

I read the best article in the Washington Post this weekend arguing that LeBron, naturally, needs to be a Wizard. AND IT WAS NOT A JOKE ARTICLE.

Also, can someone find out what she's on? She is not even on the planet anymore. I should like some of that in about 25 years.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Chris L on July 15, 2010, 09:46:47 PM
LeBron's heel turn:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7xlzLOZH5c
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Andy on July 16, 2010, 08:34:57 AM
Patrice O'neil had a pretty good take on it: the reason we remember Bird, Jordan, Magic is because they were super competitive, kind of hated each other and were still so great that they won rings. He argued that Lebron turned himself into ScottyPippen by going to Miami
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on July 16, 2010, 01:02:58 PM
I don't agree with that argument. Did Garnett become Scottie Pippen by going to Boston? No, he's still considered one of the greatest power forwards of all time. Gilbert never brought him his Pippen to win championships so he had to go seek out players himself. Even if you're one of the greatest of all time, you're not enough to win a championship.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Chris L on July 16, 2010, 01:26:59 PM
I don't agree with that argument. Did Garnett become Scottie Pippen by going to Boston? No, he's still considered one of the greatest power forwards of all time. Gilbert never brought him his Pippen to win championships so he had to go seek out players himself. Even if you're one of the greatest of all time, you're not enough to win a championship.

The pieces were in place for him to lead Chicago for a legit run at a championship, which would have cemented his legacy regardless of how many titles he ended up with.  Instead, he chose to run to arguably the 2nd or 3rd best player in the league - who unlike LeBron has already shown he can lead a flawed team to a championship -  in a scheme to create some bogus Yankee-like superpower.  Unlike Jordan, Bird, Magic or Kobe, LeBron's mental toughness and ability to lead will always be question in now, which for now ends the conversation about him potentially being the greatest.

Also, Boston's big 3 were all in the late stages of their careers and complemented each other well, which I don't think is comparable to frontloading a team with three top guys in their primes.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on July 16, 2010, 02:07:57 PM
Unlike Jordan, Bird, Magic or Kobe, LeBron's mental toughness and ability to lead will always be question in now, which for now ends the conversation about him potentially being the greatest.

There's nothing wrong with being the next Pippen, unless you've publicly stated that you desire to be a global icon and are arguably the best player in the game. That's when we have a problem. And, as you mentioned, the fact that Wade already has a ring says quite a lot.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on July 16, 2010, 04:07:13 PM


The pieces were in place for him to lead Chicago for a legit run at a championship, which would have cemented his legacy regardless of how many titles he ended up with.  Instead, he chose to run to arguably the 2nd or 3rd best player in the league - who unlike LeBron has already shown he can lead a flawed team to a championship -  in a scheme to create some bogus Yankee-like superpower.  Unlike Jordan, Bird, Magic or Kobe, LeBron's mental toughness and ability to lead will always be question in now, which for now ends the conversation about him potentially being the greatest.


It is surprising he didn't choose Chicago since he would have been seen as the clear leader with arguably a better team.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Cotton on July 16, 2010, 04:28:09 PM
I'm pretty excited to be rooting for the Thunder now.

Assuming, of course, that my beloved Sixers fail to win 50 games.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Andy on July 16, 2010, 05:34:15 PM
Yay thunder
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on October 26, 2010, 02:49:51 PM
Predictions anyone?

East:

1. Miami
2. Orlando
3. Boston
4. Chicago
5. Atlanta
6. Milwaukee
7. Indiana
8. Washington
9. Philidelphia
10. New York
11. Charlotte
12. Detroit
13. New Jersey
14. Cleveland
15. Toronto

West:

1. LA Lakers
2. OK City
3. San Antonio
4. Portland
5. Utah
6. Dallas
7. Denver
8. Phoenix
9. Houston
10. New Orleans
11. Sacramento
12. Minnesota
13. Memphis
14. LA Clippers
15. Golden State

Miami v. Chicago (East finals)
Lakers v. OK City (West finals)
Miami over Lakers (Finals)

MVP: Durant
ROY: Griffin
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on October 26, 2010, 03:22:53 PM
The only way I see Miami losing it is if there is a power struggle between James and Wade. Watching interviews this preseason it seems pretty obvious that Lebron is the main guy there and as long as Wade is ok with that, they could break the Bulls record. It's a long shot but the East is about 5 deep this year and the whole bench depth thing is just not that big of a deal to me because average players get better around stars who want to win. As long as the big 3 don't have issues they'll carry the rest of the team.

The West is ridiculous this year. Everyone in the West would be a playoff contender in the East.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on October 26, 2010, 04:47:37 PM
You're more optimistic about the Bulls than I. I think Boozer missing the west coast trip might cost them a 4 seed. I'm also really not happy with the idea of Keith Bogans getting major minutes.

East:

1. Heat
2. Magic
3. Celtics
4. Hawks
5. Bulls
6. Bucks
7. Knicks
8. Pacers
9. Wizards
10. Bobcats
11. Nets
12. 76ers
13. Cavs
14. Pistons
15. Raptors

West:

1. Lakers
2. Thunder
3. Jazz
4. Blazers
5. Spurs
6. Mavs
7. Rockets
8. Suns
9. Clippers
10. Hornets
11. Grizzlies
12. Nuggets (based on Melo and maybe others getting traded, if everyone stays I say they're 6)
13. Kings
14. Warriors
15. Wolves

Lakers over Magic in the Finals.

MVP: Howard
ROY: Griffin

God I'm so excited for tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on October 26, 2010, 04:49:14 PM
The only way I see Miami losing it is if there is a power struggle between James and Wade.

I don't think that's going to be a problem.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on October 26, 2010, 05:34:45 PM
You're more optimistic about the Bulls than I. I think Boozer missing the west coast trip might cost them a 4 seed. I'm also really not happy with the idea of Keith Bogans getting major minutes.


I dropped the Bulls a spot because of Boozer being out. I think they make the jump past Orlando this year in the playoffs and somebody will beat out a worn down Celtics team in the postseason. They'll sneak into the East finals I think.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on October 26, 2010, 05:44:53 PM
You're more optimistic about the Bulls than I. I think Boozer missing the west coast trip might cost them a 4 seed. I'm also really not happy with the idea of Keith Bogans getting major minutes.


I dropped the Bulls a spot because of Boozer being out. I think they make the jump past Orlando this year in the playoffs and somebody will beat out a worn down Celtics team in the postseason. They'll sneak into the East finals I think.

What makes you think the Celtics will be worn down? They could do the same thing they did last season, getting a huge cushion and then coasting through the regular season and turning it back on for the playoffs. Pretty easy to do in the East.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on October 26, 2010, 05:48:12 PM
True. They're just so old and if it was possible they got older over the postseason.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on October 26, 2010, 09:06:20 PM
Maybe I should do NBA power rankings this year?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on October 26, 2010, 09:52:59 PM
I'd read them.

The thing that I love most about basketball is that the basic stats are more revealing than any other sports. It tells you how a player is performing on a nightly basis. But, you can't tell how good a team is or how good of a team player a guy is without watching the games. To truly know the value of a player you need to pay attention to the stats and watch the games.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on October 27, 2010, 11:19:13 AM
the whole bench depth thing is just not that big of a deal to me because average players get better around stars who want to win. As long as the big 3 don't have issues they'll carry the rest of the team.

Looks like Miami won't even make the playoffs now!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on October 29, 2010, 11:48:05 AM
After watching that Wizards-Magic game last night, I think I was way too high on the Wizards. It's only a season opener, against one of the best in the league, but they looked awful. I had them at #9, barely missing the playoffs, but now I'm thinking they could be the 3rd worst team in the East, either just ahead or behind the Sixers. Wall is pretty exciting though. Disappointed with the Jazz thus far, though I still think they'll make the playoffs once they start to gel, I don't really see them as #3 anymore.

Really looking forward to Heat-Magic tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Stupornaut on October 29, 2010, 02:54:45 PM
I am trying to get back into the NBA because reading Trey Kerby and Free Darko amuses me enough to make me mad at what I'm missing. But I watched the Timberwolves' opener and I concluded, albeit fairly early on, that "youngest team in the league" looks less like "youthful potential for a breakout future" and more like "nobody knows what they are doing". Also, someone tell Kurt Rambis that parting your hair down the middle while you're developing a pretty serious bald spot is the absolute worst thing someone can do to his hair.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on October 29, 2010, 03:21:16 PM
I am trying to get back into the NBA because reading Trey Kerby and Free Darko amuses me enough to make me mad at what I'm missing. But I watched the Timberwolves' opener and I concluded, albeit fairly early on, that "youngest team in the league" looks less like "youthful potential for a breakout future" and more like "nobody knows what they are doing". Also, someone tell Kurt Rambis that parting your hair down the middle while you're developing a pretty serious bald spot is the absolute worst thing someone can do to his hair.

Almost as bad as benching your best player in the 4th quarter of a winnable game.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on October 29, 2010, 04:37:27 PM
The Wolves are going to win 25 games this year. You have to remember a couple things. First, Martell Webster and Jonny Flynn are out right now. Second, it's a new team that has to come together. It's a decent team with tons of athleticism and guys who have a lot to prove and want to win. That hasn't been there for years and I think Kahn, with all of the grief he's getting, has done a pretty good job of putting together a hard working team. They can't play defense though which will cost them a lot of games but you can tell that their work ethic and athleticism is going to win them a lot of games that they probably shouldn't. It's a long season though, and the question is if they can maintain that attitude throughout the season.

Love's defense is pretty bad which is why Rambis is hesitant to play him down the stretch but on a team with no chance for the playoffs you have to let the guy make mistakes and learn from them on the court. Unless he has no desire to learn which might be the case. I can't tell if Rambis has Love in his doghouse or if he's trying to make him a leader through tough love.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: gravy boat on October 29, 2010, 05:03:55 PM
I just bet a co-worker that the Nets would have more wins than the Knicks. Vegas says I should be wrong but I like that Nets team (Harris and Lopez are a good core, bench is decent, and Avery can coach).  I also don't think Amare Stoudamire will play more than 60% of the games for the Knicks because his knees have an old soul.

And how could they trade David Lee? Bad karma.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on October 29, 2010, 06:37:25 PM
I bet a couple friends that the Wolves would have more wins than the Wild this year. Whoever wins gets to pick the losers Facebook profile pic for a month.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on October 29, 2010, 06:47:04 PM
I promise not to post this too often (or ever, if everybody hates it), but here's a math take on the results to date. Theoretically, the difference between two team's rating would be the predicted margin, but I wouldn't put money on it, and it won't really settle down for about 3 weeks.

1 Portland Trailblazers Home 17.8
2 Atlanta Hawks Away 17.7
3 Dallas Mavericks Home 17.7
4 San Antonio Spurs Home 17.7
5 Oklahoma City Thunder Home 17.7
6 Portland Trailblazers Away 17.7
7 Boston Celtics Home 17.6
8 Cleveland Cavaliers Home 17.6
9 Denver Nuggets Home 17.4
10 New Orleans Hornets Home 17.4
11 New York Knicks Away 17.4
12 Golden State Warriors Home 17.3
13 New Jersey Nets Home 17.2
14 Sacramento Kings Away 17.2
15 Los Angeles Lakers Home 17.1
16 Atlanta Hawks Home 16.9
17 Charlotte Bobcats Home 16.9
18 Chicago Bulls Home 16.9
19 Cleveland Cavaliers Away 16.9
20 Dallas Mavericks Away 16.9
21 Denver Nuggets Away 16.9
22 Detroit Pistons Home 16.9
23 Golden State Warriors Away 16.9
24 Houston Rockets Home 16.9
25 Indiana Pacers Home 16.9
26 Los Angeles Clippers Away 16.9
27 Los Angeles Lakers Away 16.9
28 Memphis Grizzlies Away 16.9
29 Miami Heat Home 16.9
30 Milwaukee Bucks Home 16.9
31 Minnesota Timberwolves Away 16.9
32 New Jersey Nets Away 16.9
33 New Orleans Hornets Away 16.9
34 New York Knicks Home 16.9
35 Oklahoma City Thunder Away 16.9
36 Orlando Magic Away 16.9
37 Orlando Magic Home 16.9
38 Philadelphia 76ers Away 16.9
39 Phoenix Suns Home 16.9
40 Sacramento Kings Home 16.9
41 San Antonio Spurs Away 16.9
42 Toronto Raptors Away 16.9
43 Washington Wizards Home 16.9
44 Detroit Pistons Away 15.2
45 Minnesota Timberwolves Home 15.2
46 Milwaukee Bucks Away 13.5
47 Toronto Raptors Home 13.5
48 Miami Heat Away 12.6
49 Boston Celtics Away 11.8
50 Houston Rockets Away 11.8
51 Chicago Bulls Away 10.2
52 Los Angeles Clippers Home 10.2
53 Philadelphia 76ers Home 9.8
54 Phoenix Suns Away 9.2
55 Charlotte Bobcats Away 8.5
56 Indiana Pacers Away 8.5
57 Memphis Grizzlies Home 8.5
58 Utah Jazz Home 5.8
59 Utah Jazz Away 3.5
60 Washington Wizards Away 0
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: redmedicine on November 01, 2010, 06:09:15 PM
I'll enjoy seeing Portland on top of any list, no matter how long it lasts!  It's been three great games, but I would be very pleasantly surprised if we make out of the first round on the playoffs this year.  If Oden got bionic knees in the most recent surgery, maybe that could make a difference.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on November 02, 2010, 09:47:51 AM
If anyone wants to see this, how often? Once a week? Mondays and Fridays? I love lists at all times, but appreciate that many people find them spammy. Here it is, up to date through last night.

1 Chicago Bulls Home 21.5
2 Golden State Warriors Home 21.3
3 Boston Celtics Home 21.1
4 Atlanta Hawks Away 21
5 Los Angeles Lakers Home 21
6 Denver Nuggets Home 20.9
7 Portland Trailblazers Home 20.8
8 Indiana Pacers Home 20.7
9 Miami Heat Home 20.6
10 New Orleans Hornets Home 20.6
11 New Orleans Hornets Away 20.5
12 Los Angeles Lakers Away 20.4
13 Milwaukee Bucks Home 20
14 Orlando Magic Home 19.9
15 Memphis Grizzlies Away 19.9
16 Oklahoma City Thunder Away 19.9
17 Sacramento Kings Home 19.9
18 Atlanta Hawks Home 19.6
19 Dallas Mavericks Away 19.6
20 New Jersey Nets Away 19.6
21 San Antonio Spurs Away 19.6
22 Washington Wizards Home 19.6
23 Toronto Raptors Home 18.9
24 Cleveland Cavaliers Home 18.9
25 Minnesota Timberwolves Home 18.8
26 Dallas Mavericks Home 18.7
27 Detroit Pistons Home 18.1
28 Toronto Raptors Away 18.1
29 Charlotte Bobcats Home 17.9
30 Denver Nuggets Away 17.7
31 New York Knicks Away 17.4
32 Miami Heat Away 17.3
33 Sacramento Kings Away 16.9
34 New York Knicks Home 16.4
35 San Antonio Spurs Home 16.3
36 Houston Rockets Away 15.2
37 Phoenix Suns Home 15.2
38 Boston Celtics Away 15.1
39 Portland Trailblazers Away 14.4
40 Memphis Grizzlies Home 13.4
41 Phoenix Suns Away 13.4
42 Chicago Bulls Away 12.9
43 Philadelphia 76ers Away 12.3
44 Indiana Pacers Away 12.2
45 Detroit Pistons Away 12.1
46 Philadelphia 76ers Home 12
47 Houston Rockets Home 12
48 Los Angeles Clippers Away 10.9
49 Milwaukee Bucks Away 10.7
50 Utah Jazz Home 10
51 Cleveland Cavaliers Away 9.2
52 Utah Jazz Away 9.1
53 Oklahoma City Thunder Home 8.8
54 Minnesota Timberwolves Away 8.4
55 New Jersey Nets Home 8.3
56 Golden State Warriors Away 8
57 Orlando Magic Away 6.5
58 Charlotte Bobcats Away 6.2
59 Washington Wizards Away 1.9
60 Los Angeles Clippers Home 0
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on November 02, 2010, 10:18:51 AM
Is your formulation too complicated for me to understand? Because if it's not, I'd like to hear how you come up with these numbers (and what exactly they mean). I'd say twice a week is probably excessive, maybe once a week or every 2 weeks.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on November 02, 2010, 11:25:13 AM
Last night on Twitter, Matt Moore (@HPbasketball), NBA blogger for CBSsports.com, had a fantastically sad rant/breakdown over the Mike Conley contract extension. Well worth reading. Especially sad if it does end up costing them Marc Gasol and Mayo. The full collection of tweets is here (http://hponconley.tumblr.com/).

My favorite lines: "You just walked into a BMW lot, pointed at the doorless Volvo on fire and THAT ONE! $45 MIL!"; "I can't even argue that your franchise should exist. You literally do not deserve to own and operate a professional basketball team"; "Clippers fans get to make fun of Grizzlies fans. Their owner is a slumlord and they have no hope. And they mock you"
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on November 02, 2010, 01:32:27 PM
Is your formulation too complicated for me to understand? Because if it's not, I'd like to hear how you come up with these numbers (and what exactly they mean). I'd say twice a week is probably excessive, maybe once a week or every 2 weeks.

What they mean would be a lot easier than how. It's a mathematical assessment of the accomplishments of teams to date. It's based on a 60-dimension fixed point iterative technique that takes both opponents and margins into account. It's all done in a simple spreadsheet. While I don't claim any predictive characteristics, it often turns out that after each team has played 6-8 games, it starts to pick winners of games fairly consistently.

So, for example, tonight Atlanta plays at Cleveland. Hawks away are at 21, Cleveland at home is at approximately 19, the Hawks should win by 2. If they don't, the system will make adjustments tomorrow. Wizards should beat the 76ers by 8; Pistons should beat the Celtics by 3; etc. Not enough games have been played so far for the system to be dependable, but it tends to get more dependable as the season goes on.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on November 02, 2010, 01:50:50 PM
Makes sense, thanks.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on November 02, 2010, 05:48:09 PM
Cool. I wish I was a betting man.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Pregnant Pause on November 02, 2010, 06:40:51 PM
I just got the Freedarko NBA history book, haven't had a chance to start reading, but it looks gorgeous. 
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on November 03, 2010, 09:21:17 AM
I just got the Freedarko NBA history book, haven't had a chance to start reading, but it looks gorgeous.

I love that artwork. I wish they had some of them, especially that Jordan one, available in poster size.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on November 08, 2010, 01:37:33 PM
OK, it's Monday.

Dave's super top secret NBA rankings look like this.

1 Los Angeles Lakers Home 59.7
2 Orlando Magic Home 56.6
3 Portland Trailblazers Away 53.9
4 Atlanta Hawks Away 49.8
5 Golden State Warriors Home 48.4
6 Miami Heat Home 48.1
7 Boston Celtics Home 46.1
8 Denver Nuggets Home 46.1
9 New Orleans Hornets Away 45.6
10 Dallas Mavericks Away 44.6
11 New Orleans Hornets Home 44
12 Denver Nuggets Away 44
13 Miami Heat Away 43.8
14 Portland Trailblazers Home 43.7
15 Boston Celtics Away 43.6
16 Chicago Bulls Home 43.5
17 Toronto Raptors Home 43.1
18 San Antonio Spurs Away 42.8
19 Los Angeles Lakers Away 42.4
20 New York Knicks Away 42.4
21 Indiana Pacers Home 41.3
22 San Antonio Spurs Home 40.4
23 Atlanta Hawks Home 40.2
24 Sacramento Kings Away 39.3
25 Washington Wizards Home 38.8
26 Minnesota Timberwolves Home 38.2
27 Cleveland Cavaliers Home 38
28 Charlotte Bobcats Home 37.8
29 Dallas Mavericks Home 37.6
30 Phoenix Suns Home 37.5
31 New York Knicks Home 37
32 Houston Rockets Away 36.7
33 Philadelphia 76ers Away 36.7
34 Cleveland Cavaliers Away 36.6
35 Milwaukee Bucks Home 36.2
36 Philadelphia 76ers Home 36.1
37 Memphis Grizzlies Home 35.9
38 Oklahoma City Thunder Away 35.6
39 Utah Jazz Home 35.6
40 Milwaukee Bucks Away 34.4
41 Utah Jazz Away 33.8
42 Detroit Pistons Home 33.7
43 Memphis Grizzlies Away 33.6
44 Chicago Bulls Away 33.5
45 Los Angeles Clippers Away 33.1
46 Sacramento Kings Home 33.1
47 New Jersey Nets Home 33
48 New Jersey Nets Away 32.7
49 Orlando Magic Away 32.6
50 Houston Rockets Home 32.4
51 Golden State Warriors Away 32.2
52 Detroit Pistons Away 31.9
53 Oklahoma City Thunder Home 31.4
54 Los Angeles Clippers Home 31.2
55 Charlotte Bobcats Away 27.2
56 Toronto Raptors Away 25.7
57 Indiana Pacers Away 25.3
58 Phoenix Suns Away 24.4
59 Washington Wizards Away 22.4
60 Minnesota Timberwolves Away 0


The road Timberwolves are really screwing it up; this won't hold, but if they continue on their current path, it could be the worst road team in NBA history.

Just for fun, let's try a round. Here's my picks for tonight.

Home favorites

Orlando over Atlanta by 8
Toronto over Golden St by 11
Memphis over Phoenix by 12

Road favorites

San Antonio at Charlotte by 5
Denver at Chicago by 1
Boston at Dallas by 6
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Stupornaut on November 08, 2010, 02:09:50 PM

The road Timberwolves are really screwing it up; this won't hold, but if they continue on their current path, it could be the worst road team in NBA history.


Living in Minnesota and having a bunch of friends in other cities who are into the NBA is increasingly like being deaf and having a bunch of friends who are into rock music.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on November 08, 2010, 02:26:05 PM
I'm so disappointed with how the Wolves are playing right now. I had high hopes and maybe things will change once Webster and Flynn come back but of all of the bad teams over the past 6 years this is the worst to watch. I watch a lot of NBA and watching a Wolves game and then watching any other two NBA teams are like watching two different sports.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on November 09, 2010, 12:27:05 AM
Just for fun, let's try a round. Here's my picks for tonight.

Home favorites

Orlando over Atlanta by 8
Toronto over Golden St by 11
Memphis over Phoenix by 12

Road favorites

San Antonio at Charlotte by 5
Denver at Chicago by 1
Boston at Dallas by 6

3-3 but you were pretty close on a couple of the scores. GS beating Toronto by 7 was the only one way off.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on November 09, 2010, 08:18:52 AM
Yah, so much for science. If I have time, I will try to put together tonight's picks.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: fonpr on November 09, 2010, 08:48:36 AM
Yah, so much for science.


You may want to try using intuition and comparing the results.

Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on November 09, 2010, 03:21:43 PM
Yah, so much for science.


You may want to try using intuition and comparing the results.

I have none of that.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on November 09, 2010, 04:32:22 PM
I'm not liking this new uptempo trend, especially for the Wolves. It creates more possesions, but ultimately all that it's really creating are bad shots. The 80's are taking over every other aspect of culture so I guess why not basketball as well?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on November 09, 2010, 07:04:40 PM
1 Los Angeles Lakers Home 59.7
60 Minnesota Timberwolves Away 0

Tonight!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on November 09, 2010, 07:20:35 PM
Kobe Bryant came close a couple years ago... he might just get 100 tonight. He was a different kind of player back then with a different attitude towards his teammates. But still. The Wolves D could be the worst defense of the past 20 years.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on November 10, 2010, 09:39:20 AM
Some really interesting performances yesterday between the Pacers (Mike Dunleavy is still alive!?!), Love, and Millsap/LeBron/Wade. Millsap hitting 3 3s in the last 30 sec of the game is nuts and absolutely unbelievable when you look at his 2-20 career mark.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Pregnant Pause on November 10, 2010, 10:12:49 AM
If you asked me to name a team that'd score 54 points in a quarter, I think the Pacers would be my 25th guess. 
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on November 10, 2010, 12:13:04 PM
If you asked me to name a team that'd score 54 points in a quarter, I think the Pacers would be my 25th guess.

I didn't even realize that the only shot they missed that quarter was one at the buzzer.

This season has been pretty entertaining so far.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on November 11, 2010, 06:38:02 PM
I am going all homers tonight.

Nuggets over Lakers by 3
Heat over Celtics by 4
Bulls over Warriors by 7

9 Miami Heat Home 43.3
11 Denver Nuggets Home 42.7
16 Los Angeles Lakers Away 39.7
17 Chicago Bulls Home 39.7
19 Boston Celtics Away 39.3
34 Golden State Warriors Away 32.8
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on November 12, 2010, 06:36:56 AM
I am going all homers tonight.

Nuggets over Lakers by 3
Heat over Celtics by 4
Bulls over Warriors by 7

9 Miami Heat Home 43.3
11 Denver Nuggets Home 42.7
16 Los Angeles Lakers Away 39.7
17 Chicago Bulls Home 39.7
19 Boston Celtics Away 39.3
34 Golden State Warriors Away 32.8

2 out of 3 won't win any awards, but at least the system got the first Lakers' loss right.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Kid Pain on November 12, 2010, 11:25:45 AM
Loved Paul Pierce's tweet last night

Quote
paulpierce34: It's been a pleasure to bring my talents to south beach now on to Memphis
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on November 12, 2010, 11:38:12 AM
And they call it OCD

Sacramento at Phoenix by 2
Clippers over Detroit by 3
Dallas over Philadelphia by 4
Utah at Atlanta by 4
Minnesota over the Knicks by 5
Washington over Charlotte by 10
Indiana vs Houston by 12
Portland at Oklahoma City by 16
Orlando over Toronto by 24
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on November 12, 2010, 10:31:28 PM
Look what happens when Kevin Love gets real minutes.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on November 13, 2010, 03:17:12 AM
I am so happy right now. Wish I could have watched it, but it was radio only tonight here in MN. It's been a long time since the Wolves were the talk of the sports world for something positive. Love is the story but Beasley has become a go to guy and Johnson a solid #3. There is hope for die hard Wolves fans...
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on November 15, 2010, 07:44:28 PM
It's Monday. Is this starting to look like anything?

1 Orlando Magic Home 39.9
2 Los Angeles Lakers Home 36.4
3 New Orleans Hornets Home 32.6
4 Chicago Bulls Home 30.8
5 Denver Nuggets Home 30.7
6 Indiana Pacers Home 30.1
7 San Antonio Spurs Home 29.7
8 Utah Jazz Away 28.4
9 Golden State Warriors Home 28.4
10 Atlanta Hawks Away 28.3
11 Miami Heat Home 28
12 New Orleans Hornets Away 26.1
13 Dallas Mavericks Away 26.1
14 Boston Celtics Away 25.8
15 Portland Trailblazers Home 25.6
16 San Antonio Spurs Away 25.6
17 Boston Celtics Home 24.7
18 Milwaukee Bucks Home 24
19 Philadelphia 76ers Away 24
20 Dallas Mavericks Home 21.7
21 Minnesota Timberwolves Home 21.3
22 Portland Trailblazers Away 21
23 Miami Heat Away 20.8
24 Phoenix Suns Home 20.7
25 Milwaukee Bucks Away 20.5
26 Los Angeles Lakers Away 20.1
27 Denver Nuggets Away 20.1
28 New Jersey Nets Away 18.6
29 Golden State Warriors Away 18.5
30 Houston Rockets Away 17.9
31 Memphis Grizzlies Away 17.4
32 Washington Wizards Home 17.3
33 Memphis Grizzlies Home 17.1
34 Philadelphia 76ers Home 17.1
35 Detroit Pistons Home 16.8
36 Oklahoma City Thunder Home 16.5
37 Cleveland Cavaliers Away 16.4
38 Orlando Magic Away 16
39 Toronto Raptors Home 15.7
40 Charlotte Bobcats Home 15.5
41 Toronto Raptors Away 15.4
42 Utah Jazz Home 15.3
43 New York Knicks Away 15
44 Oklahoma City Thunder Away 15
45 New York Knicks Home 14.6
46 Sacramento Kings Away 14.6
47 Chicago Bulls Away 14.2
48 Charlotte Bobcats Away 14.1
49 Washington Wizards Away 13.7
50 Houston Rockets Home 13.6
51 Los Angeles Clippers Away 13.5
52 New Jersey Nets Home 13.4
53 Atlanta Hawks Home 13.3
54 Indiana Pacers Away 11.9
55 Cleveland Cavaliers Home 11.3
56 Detroit Pistons Away 10.4
57 Los Angeles Clippers Home 10.2
58 Sacramento Kings Home 7
59 Phoenix Suns Away 6.2
60 Minnesota Timberwolves Away 0
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on November 15, 2010, 08:15:37 PM
Boston seems low, but I won't argue. Oklahoma City looks lost right now, so that's about right.  There was a lot of shakeup this offseason so teams are going to be starting slow and this probably won't look right for a few weeks. It's funny that OK City had the least turnover, with the most upside and they are the biggest mystery of all the teams playing.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on November 16, 2010, 10:03:14 AM
Boston seems low, but I won't argue. Oklahoma City looks lost right now, so that's about right.  There was a lot of shakeup this offseason so teams are going to be starting slow and this probably won't look right for a few weeks. It's funny that OK City had the least turnover, with the most upside and they are the biggest mystery of all the teams playing.

I don't know, I don't think they're that much of a mystery. Everyone's expectations for them this season seemed unreasonably high, especially for a young team that didn't make any significant changes and were insanely healthy last year. They still lack a solid big, though I don't get why Ibaka isn't getting more minutes because he's been pretty good so far. Their D has been pretty poor so far and that was one of the reasons they won 50 last year. Also, it looks like that Harden pick last year will hurt them. I can't imagine how awesome they'd be with Steph Curry.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: gravy boat on November 16, 2010, 04:35:50 PM
Why do some teams have higher AWAY scores than HOME? It's math, right?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on November 16, 2010, 07:17:29 PM
Why do some teams have higher AWAY scores than HOME? It's math, right?

Because they've done better so far this year on the road than at home? The best example is the Road Hawks, speaking of which

Here's my picks of the night, in order of my interest in the game.

Atlanta at Indiana by 1
Milwaukee over the Lakers by 4
Denver over New York by 13
Portland at Memphis by 6
Washington over Toronto by 5
Chicago at Houston by 1
Cleveland over Philadelphia by 2
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: fonpr on November 16, 2010, 08:04:44 PM
Dave's going to get four right.   Memphis will win.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on November 16, 2010, 10:55:43 PM
Dave's going to get four right.   Memphis will win.

Someday
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on November 17, 2010, 05:43:08 AM
Dave's going to get four six right.   Memphis will not win.

Fixed
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: fonpr on November 17, 2010, 08:36:02 AM
Dave's going to get four six right.   Memphis will not win.

Fixed

Good show, Dave.

Science trumps intuition. 

I chose Memphis because I didn't know they had a team until yesterday.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on November 17, 2010, 10:09:20 AM
Games of the night!

New Orleans over Dallas by 6
San Antonio over Chicago by 11
Miami over Phoenix by 5
Lakers at Detroit by 7
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on November 17, 2010, 09:58:29 PM
Dave's going to get four six right.   Memphis will not win.

Fixed

Four right if you aren't betting the spread.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on November 18, 2010, 05:41:04 AM
Dave's going to get four six right.   Memphis will not win.

Fixed

Four right if you aren't betting the spread.

If we're talking about post #148, it was 6 for 7. And 4 for 4 on #153. Getting cocky!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on November 19, 2010, 08:26:39 AM
Friday night's games (in order of importance)

Lakers at Minnesota by 4
New Orleans over Cleveland by 13
Miami over Charlotte by 19
San Antonio at Utah by 7
Golden State over the Knicks by 9
Boston over Oklahoma City by 7
Milwaukee at Philadelphia by 5
Washington over Memphis by 1
Toronto over Houston by 3
Dallas over Chicago by 8
New Jersey at Sacremento by 10
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on November 20, 2010, 07:23:40 AM
Friday night's games (in order of importance)

Lakers at Minnesota by 4
New Orleans over Cleveland by 13
Miami over Charlotte by 19
San Antonio at Utah by 7
Golden State over the Knicks by 9
Boston over Oklahoma City by 7
Milwaukee at Philadelphia by 5
Washington over Memphis by 1
Toronto over Houston by 3
Dallas over Chicago by 8
New Jersey at Sacremento by 10

Yuck. 6 for 11. This computer's about to take a belt-whipping.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on November 23, 2010, 12:44:52 PM
Just for fun, I am going to pick against tonight's lines (at least these were the lines at 10:00 this morning. I will list them in order of my confidence. I expect to go 1 and 5. As an indicator of my relative confidence, the dollar figure indicates how much I would risk on that game if I had $100 to bet.

Lakers at home - 8.5 over Chicago ($34)
Atlanta -1.5 at New Jersey ($32)
Indiana at home -4.5 over Cleveland ($14)
Charlotte +2 at New York ($13)
Washington at home -3.5 over Philadelphia ($6)
Detroit +9.5 at Dallas ($1)

New rankings

1 Los Angeles Lakers Home 38.7
2 San Antonio Spurs Home 35
3 New Orleans Hornets Home 32.5
4 Los Angeles Lakers Away 31.8
5 Miami Heat Home 31
6 Denver Nuggets Home 30.7
7 Atlanta Hawks Away 29.7
8 Boston Celtics Away 29.6
9 Utah Jazz Away 29.2
10 Orlando Magic Home 28.8
11 Chicago Bulls Home 28.8
12 Indiana Pacers Home 28.6
13 San Antonio Spurs Away 28.5
14 Portland Trailblazers Home 27.1
15 Dallas Mavericks Away 25.6
16 Boston Celtics Home 25.2
17 Milwaukee Bucks Home 24.6
18 New Orleans Hornets Away 24.4
19 Miami Heat Away 24.4
20 Indiana Pacers Away 23.8
21 Phoenix Suns Home 23.7
22 Denver Nuggets Away 23.6
23 Portland Trailblazers Away 23.5
24 Golden State Warriors Home 23.4
25 Dallas Mavericks Home 23.3
26 Philadelphia 76ers Home 22.6
27 Toronto Raptors Home 22
28 Oklahoma City Thunder Home 21.7
29 Oklahoma City Thunder Away 21.5
30 Minnesota Timberwolves Home 21.4
31 Washington Wizards Home 21.2
32 New York Knicks Away 21
33 Charlotte Bobcats Home 21
34 Orlando Magic Away 20.3
35 Utah Jazz Home 20.1
36 Milwaukee Bucks Away 19.4
37 Detroit Pistons Home 19.1
38 Cleveland Cavaliers Away 18.8
39 Memphis Grizzlies Home 18.4
40 Cleveland Cavaliers Home 18
41 Memphis Grizzlies Away 17.6
42 Golden State Warriors Away 17.4
43 Charlotte Bobcats Away 17.3
44 New Jersey Nets Away 16.9
45 Phoenix Suns Away 16.8
46 Chicago Bulls Away 16.6
47 New Jersey Nets Home 16.2
48 Sacramento Kings Away 15.4
49 Toronto Raptors Away 14.7
50 Philadelphia 76ers Away 14.6
51 Houston Rockets Away 14.6
52 Atlanta Hawks Home 14.1
53 Houston Rockets Home 14
54 Detroit Pistons Away 13.9
55 New York Knicks Home 13.8
56 Los Angeles Clippers Home 13.4
57 Sacramento Kings Home 11.5
58 Los Angeles Clippers Away 11.2
59 Washington Wizards Away 4.3
60 Minnesota Timberwolves Away 0







Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on November 23, 2010, 07:25:00 PM
Just for fun, I am going to pick against tonight's lines (at least these were the lines at 10:00 this morning. I will list them in order of my confidence. I expect to go 1 and 5. As an indicator of my relative confidence, the dollar figure indicates how much I would risk on that game if I had $100 to bet.


I'd put all 100 on the Pistons.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on November 24, 2010, 05:16:59 AM
Just for fun, I am going to pick against tonight's lines (at least these were the lines at 10:00 this morning. I will list them in order of my confidence. I expect to go 1 and 5. As an indicator of my relative confidence, the dollar figure indicates how much I would risk on that game if I had $100 to bet.


I'd put all 100 on the Pistons.

Your instincts beat the crap out of my machine knowledge. By my reckoning, I am down $73.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on November 24, 2010, 04:40:34 PM
That was a pretty large point spread for an above average team going against a below average team. No way would I ever place 100 bucks on a sports game but that's what the betting type would call easy money. Very little chance to get burned, but the slim chance will always keep me away from gambling.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on November 24, 2010, 08:55:46 PM
That was a pretty large point spread for an above average team going against a below average team. No way would I ever place 100 bucks on a sports game but that's what the betting type would call easy money. Very little chance to get burned, but the slim chance will always keep me away from gambling.

Agreed totally. I only bet in my fantasy world, and losing at the rate of $73 per $100, it's a pretty lousy fantasy.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on November 25, 2010, 01:05:03 AM
I'm really enjoying the Bulls this year. It's amazing the difference a competent coach can make.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on November 29, 2010, 06:57:15 PM
Rankings for the new week

1 Denver Nuggets Home 26.9
2 San Antonio Spurs Away 26.2
3 New Orleans Hornets Home 24.8
4 Chicago Bulls Home 24.8
5 Orlando Magic Home 24.6
6 Boston Celtics Home 24
7 Los Angeles Lakers Home 23.1
8 Dallas Mavericks Away 22.6
9 San Antonio Spurs Home 22.6
10 Utah Jazz Home 22.1
11 Utah Jazz Away 21.9
12 Miami Heat Home 21.8
13 Atlanta Hawks Away 21.2
14 Dallas Mavericks Home 20.1
15 Oklahoma City Thunder Away 19.5
16 Golden State Warriors Home 19.2
17 New York Knicks Away 19
18 Portland Trailblazers Home 18.4
19 Los Angeles Lakers Away 18.1
20 Memphis Grizzlies Home 18.1
21 Boston Celtics Away 18
22 New Orleans Hornets Away 17.4
23 Oklahoma City Thunder Home 17.4
24 Phoenix Suns Home 17
25 Milwaukee Bucks Home 17
26 Indiana Pacers Away 16.5
27 Detroit Pistons Home 16.2
28 Charlotte Bobcats Home 16.1
29 Phoenix Suns Away 16.1
30 New Jersey Nets Home 15.8
31 Orlando Magic Away 15.6
32 Minnesota Timberwolves Home 14.6
33 Philadelphia 76ers Home 13.5
34 Denver Nuggets Away 13.5
35 Houston Rockets Home 13.5
36 Portland Trailblazers Away 13.4
37 Indiana Pacers Home 13.3
38 Washington Wizards Home 13.1
39 Toronto Raptors Home 13
40 Los Angeles Clippers Home 12.9
41 Miami Heat Away 12.5
42 Cleveland Cavaliers Home 12.4
43 Chicago Bulls Away 11
44 Cleveland Cavaliers Away 10.4
45 Milwaukee Bucks Away 9.4
46 Atlanta Hawks Home 9
47 Charlotte Bobcats Away 8.6
48 Sacramento Kings Away 8.6
49 Toronto Raptors Away 7.8
50 Memphis Grizzlies Away 6.3
51 Golden State Warriors Away 5.9
52 New York Knicks Home 5.9
53 New Jersey Nets Away 5.9
54 Los Angeles Clippers Away 4.9
55 Houston Rockets Away 4.5
56 Sacramento Kings Home 4.3
57 Detroit Pistons Away 2.4
58 Minnesota Timberwolves Away 1.2
59 Washington Wizards Away 0.3
60 Philadelphia 76ers Away 0
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: akaJudge on November 29, 2010, 07:13:42 PM
am i the only one who is AMAZINGLY entertained by the Heat's incredible mediocrity?  9 and 8, and now they're blaming the coach!  Which may not be true, but the whole thing is hilarious to me.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on November 30, 2010, 12:11:55 AM
It is pretty funny, but it has to be the coach. All three of those guys are playing far below their averages. Obviously, the system isn't working and when you have that much talent on one team, you have to try something new. Maybe it won't work, and maybe it's unfair to the coach but I think they need to make the quick move. I don't think it's a respect issue though.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on November 30, 2010, 10:20:37 AM
It is pretty funny, but it has to be the coach. All three of those guys are playing far below their averages. Obviously, the system isn't working and when you have that much talent on one team, you have to try something new. Maybe it won't work, and maybe it's unfair to the coach but I think they need to make the quick move. I don't think it's a respect issue though.

I don't know. Spolestra is not the one who can't rebound. He's also not the one having a lot of 1-13, 6-21 shooting night. LeBron and Wade haven't figured out how to play with each other and I don't think the coach is entirely to blame for that. I feel a little bad for the guy because the whole thing was a no-win situation for him from the start. Obviously he'll be the scapegoat for any of their struggles and if they win he's never going to get any of the credit. They should just go ahead and let LeBron run the team since I'm pretty sure that's what he wants anyways.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on November 30, 2010, 05:47:56 PM
So I have lost my imaginary shirt. I am down to 27 imaginary dollars, and I have to give 3 of that over to the imaginary vig, so I have 24 dollars back, and need to try to build back up to at least even so that I don't have to raid the make-believe baby's college fund to pay the made up bookie.

Here's how my $24 gets distributed.

8 bucks on Indiana, -2 points, at Sacramento
6 bucks on Orlando, -10.5 points over Detroit
4 bucks on New Jersey, +6.5 points at New York
2 bucks on Memphis, +5 points over the Lakers
2 bucks on Philadelphia, +4 points over Portland
1 buck on San Antonio, -5.5 points at Golden State
1 buck on Cleveland, +8 points over Boston
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on November 30, 2010, 07:13:23 PM
When all three of the guys are performing far below their normal levels, something has to be said for the system they are playing in. There are other factors but I think factor #1 has to be the coach.

I'm up 100 if it's even money so I'll place my winnings on the Lakers to cover the spread.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on November 30, 2010, 10:27:29 PM
Back to even.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on December 01, 2010, 05:46:13 AM
I am taking 10% off of my amount for the "vig". That puts me back to $38. We can drop the vig business since it's just for fun, but I will need to reconfigure my total if that's they way we roll.

If we keep the vig (and I know, it's tough, but this is a tough imaginary town,) you started with $100, paid $10 to play, but the whole $90 down, won, so going into last night's game you would have been at $180 (with me at a paltry $27). After last night's results, if you bet your winnings, you put up $90, $9 of which went to Big Louie, so you would have stood to win $81. Since you lost, you're down to $90 total, and since I had a good night, I am back up to $38 (you gotta have money to make money, and I didn't have any; if only I had bet the imaginary Taj Mahal!)

Disclaimer; if this foolish game makes any of you feel like you want to bet real dollars, don't kid yourself. The oddsmakers are long-term good, and the vig will eventually get you. Ie, if this makes you want to call a bookie, let me know, and I will never post about it again.

Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: gravy boat on December 01, 2010, 10:08:15 AM


4 bucks on New Jersey, +6.5 points at New York


Until Devin Harris went out with an injury in the 3rd, the Nets were tied and you were in the black on this.  Wow --  D'Antoni is playing his Knicks starters an absurd amount of minutes.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on December 01, 2010, 10:09:08 AM
So today I will take my $38, pay the $4 vig, and bet the remaining $34 thusly

$7 on Miami -11 points over Detroit
$7 on San Antonio -9 points at the Clippers
$6 on New Orleans -6.5 points over Charlotte
$6 on Dallas -10 points over Minnesota
$5 on Chicago -1 point over Orlando
$3 on Boston -7.5 points over Portland

Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on December 01, 2010, 10:10:55 AM
It's a system! If it works, next year we will kick in $100 grand each and end up owning the mint, at which time we can privately finance the touring production of Dutch.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on December 01, 2010, 12:31:33 PM
20 bucks on Detroit, 20 bucks on New Orleans. 4 bucks to the vig. Right?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on December 01, 2010, 07:19:19 PM
Boozer time!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on December 02, 2010, 06:13:53 AM
So today I will take my $38, pay the $4 vig, and bet the remaining $34 thusly

$7 on Miami -11 points over Detroit
$7 on San Antonio -9 points at the Clippers
$6 on New Orleans -6.5 points over Charlotte
$6 on Dallas -10 points over Minnesota
$5 on Chicago -1 point over Orlando
$3 on Boston -7.5 points over Portland

And I am back to $38. For most real gambler's I have known, going from $38 to $38 would constitute a huge win, and verify that I should take out a loan against my house to get more capital, since it's clear I am on a roll.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on December 02, 2010, 06:17:52 AM
20 bucks on Detroit, 20 bucks on New Orleans. 4 bucks to the vig. Right?

So, you started with $90. Bet $20, $20, and $4 vig, so you're down to $46. New Orleans wins, Detroit loses, so you're up to $86. We collectively have to do better, Gilly, or we are never going to be able to build that pretend gambling addiction rehab center in Fantasyland.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on December 02, 2010, 11:02:22 AM
Boozer time!

I expected a rough start but that was just unpleasant to watch.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on December 02, 2010, 04:40:43 PM
If it were real money I wouldn't touch tonight's Miami/Cleveland game with a 10 foot pole, but just to have some fun I'll put 40 of my remaining 86 on Miami at -5.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on December 02, 2010, 04:46:11 PM
If it were real money I wouldn't touch tonight's Miami/Cleveland game with a 10 foot pole, but just to have some fun I'll put 40 of my remaining 86 on Miami at -5.

I am a diversifier. If there aren't at least 4 games, I am lying low.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Betty Rooper on December 17, 2010, 09:34:31 PM
Phantom: Robinson Flips over Pierce (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyHu6qvpG-k#ws)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Chris L on December 18, 2010, 01:56:18 AM
Ray Allen's look of disgust was a nice bonus.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on December 29, 2010, 01:16:12 AM
The Heat have lost twice since Thanksgiving... to the Mavericks both times.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on December 29, 2010, 01:29:34 AM
Dave, think we could get some updated numbers?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on January 03, 2011, 11:29:11 PM
I am so thrilled to be remembered! All of my stuff was on my work computer, and I have just completed my break, but just took the time to catch things back up. Here's what I have through yesterday's (Jan 2nd) games.


1 San Antonio Spurs Home 34.5
2 Dallas Mavericks Away 31.4
3 Boston Celtics Home 29.6
4 Denver Nuggets Home 28.8
5 San Antonio Spurs Away 28.4
6 Chicago Bulls Home 28.3
7 Miami Heat Away 28.1
8 Utah Jazz Away 27.2
9 New Orleans Hornets Home 26.7
10 Miami Heat Home 26.5
11 Los Angeles Lakers Away 26.4
12 Boston Celtics Away 26.2
13 Oklahoma City Thunder Home 25.6
14 Orlando Magic Home 25.2
15 Portland Trailblazers Home 24.9
16 Dallas Mavericks Home 24.2
17 Utah Jazz Home 24.1
18 Oklahoma City Thunder Away 23.7
19 Atlanta Hawks Away 23.2
20 New York Knicks Away 22.8
21 Orlando Magic Away 20.7
22 Milwaukee Bucks Home 20.2
23 Los Angeles Lakers Home 19.4
24 Houston Rockets Home 19.2
25 Golden State Warriors Home 18.5
26 Philadelphia 76ers Home 18.5
27 Memphis Grizzlies Home 18.4
28 Phoenix Suns Away 17.7
29 New Orleans Hornets Away 17.6
30 Atlanta Hawks Home 17.6
31 Charlotte Bobcats Home 17.2
32 Chicago Bulls Away 17
33 Detroit Pistons Home 17
34 Denver Nuggets Away 17
35 New York Knicks Home 16.6
36 Milwaukee Bucks Away 16.6
37 Phoenix Suns Home 16.5
38 Minnesota Timberwolves Home 15.9
39 Indiana Pacers Home 15.6
40 Portland Trailblazers Away 14.8
41 New Jersey Nets Home 14.3
42 Washington Wizards Home 14.3
43 Indiana Pacers Away 13
44 Houston Rockets Away 12.7
45 Los Angeles Clippers Home 12.4
46 Philadelphia 76ers Away 12.2
47 Toronto Raptors Away 11.8
48 Los Angeles Clippers Away 11.5
49 Cleveland Cavaliers Home 11.3
50 Memphis Grizzlies Away 11.3
51 Toronto Raptors Home 11
52 Golden State Warriors Away 9.8
53 Sacramento Kings Away 8.1
54 Charlotte Bobcats Away 8
55 New Jersey Nets Away 6.2
56 Cleveland Cavaliers Away 5.6
57 Detroit Pistons Away 5
58 Minnesota Timberwolves Away 3.4
59 Sacramento Kings Home 2.4
60 Washington Wizards Away 0


If you use my bowl picks in football as an indication of the validity of my system, you should avert your eyes from this.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on January 10, 2011, 08:39:52 AM
Miami comes creeping.

Jan 10
1 San Antonio Spurs Home 35.8
2 Miami Heat Away 32.9
3 Boston Celtics Home 32
4 Dallas Mavericks Away 31.8
5 Chicago Bulls Home 31.5
6 Orlando Magic Home 30.4
7 San Antonio Spurs Away 28.8
8 Denver Nuggets Home 28.6
9 Miami Heat Home 28.2
10 Utah Jazz Away 27.6
11 Los Angeles Lakers Away 27.6
12 Boston Celtics Away 26.8
13 Atlanta Hawks Away 26.5
14 Oklahoma City Thunder Home 26.5
15 New Orleans Hornets Home 26.3
16 Portland Trailblazers Home 25.1
17 Oklahoma City Thunder Away 24.9
18 Dallas Mavericks Home 24.6
19 Utah Jazz Home 24.5
20 New York Knicks Away 23.9
21 Los Angeles Lakers Home 23.4
22 Memphis Grizzlies Home 23.1
23 Orlando Magic Away 21
24 Milwaukee Bucks Home 21
25 Philadelphia 76ers Home 20.6
26 New York Knicks Home 19.6
27 Golden State Warriors Home 19.5
28 New Orleans Hornets Away 19.2
29 Atlanta Hawks Home 19.1
30 Phoenix Suns Away 18.8
31 Houston Rockets Home 18.6
32 Detroit Pistons Home 18.1
33 Charlotte Bobcats Home 17.5
34 Portland Trailblazers Away 17.4
35 Milwaukee Bucks Away 17.3
36 Chicago Bulls Away 16.3
37 Phoenix Suns Home 16
38 Denver Nuggets Away 16
39 Indiana Pacers Home 15.8
40 Los Angeles Clippers Home 15
41 New Jersey Nets Home 14.8
42 Minnesota Timberwolves Home 14.4
43 Toronto Raptors Home 13.8
44 Toronto Raptors Away 13.4
45 Washington Wizards Home 13.4
46 Houston Rockets Away 13.2
47 Indiana Pacers Away 12.9
48 Philadelphia 76ers Away 12.4
49 Los Angeles Clippers Away 11.9
50 Memphis Grizzlies Away 11.8
51 Golden State Warriors Away 11.5
52 Cleveland Cavaliers Home 10.8
53 Charlotte Bobcats Away 9.6
54 New Jersey Nets Away 8.8
55 Sacramento Kings Away 6.5
56 Minnesota Timberwolves Away 5.3
57 Detroit Pistons Away 5
58 Cleveland Cavaliers Away 4.5
59 Sacramento Kings Home 3.4
60 Washington Wizards Away 0
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on January 17, 2011, 09:17:20 AM
Weekly Update


Jan 16
1 San Antonio Spurs Home 32.5
2 Chicago Bulls Home 28
3 Denver Nuggets Home 27.3
4 Boston Celtics Home 26.9
5 San Antonio Spurs Away 26.5
6 Miami Heat Away 26.3
7 Dallas Mavericks Away 25.6
8 Orlando Magic Home 25.5
9 Miami Heat Home 24.1
10 Los Angeles Lakers Away 23.9
11 Utah Jazz Away 23.7
12 Oklahoma City Thunder Home 23.4
13 New Orleans Hornets Home 22.9
14 Boston Celtics Away 22.7
15 Atlanta Hawks Away 22.6
16 Utah Jazz Home 22.4
17 Oklahoma City Thunder Away 22.3
18 Portland Trailblazers Home 21.5
19 Memphis Grizzlies Home 21.3
20 New York Knicks Away 21.3
21 Los Angeles Lakers Home 21.2
22 Dallas Mavericks Home 21.1
23 Orlando Magic Away 19
24 New Orleans Hornets Away 18.8
25 Milwaukee Bucks Home 17.7
26 Golden State Warriors Home 17.7
27 Philadelphia 76ers Home 17.1
28 Los Angeles Clippers Home 16.6
29 Phoenix Suns Away 16.5
30 Charlotte Bobcats Home 16.4
31 Atlanta Hawks Home 16.1
32 New York Knicks Home 16
33 Phoenix Suns Home 15.8
34 Houston Rockets Home 15.2
35 Detroit Pistons Home 15.1
36 Houston Rockets Away 14.9
37 Indiana Pacers Home 14.7
38 Milwaukee Bucks Away 14.7
39 Portland Trailblazers Away 14.5
40 Chicago Bulls Away 14.4
41 Denver Nuggets Away 14.3
42 New Jersey Nets Home 13.2
43 Washington Wizards Home 13
44 Indiana Pacers Away 12.9
45 Minnesota Timberwolves Home 12
46 Memphis Grizzlies Away 11.4
47 Toronto Raptors Away 11.3
48 Philadelphia 76ers Away 11.2
49 Toronto Raptors Home 10.9
50 Los Angeles Clippers Away 10.6
51 Golden State Warriors Away 10.4
52 Cleveland Cavaliers Home 9.8
53 Charlotte Bobcats Away 8.7
54 Sacramento Kings Away 6.5
55 New Jersey Nets Away 6.3
56 Detroit Pistons Away 6
57 Minnesota Timberwolves Away 5.9
58 Sacramento Kings Home 4.5
59 Cleveland Cavaliers Away 3.3
60 Washington Wizards Away 0
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on January 24, 2011, 07:04:22 AM
Jan 23

1 San Antonio Spurs Home 32.8
2 Boston Celtics Home 27.6
3 Denver Nuggets Home 27.5
4 Chicago Bulls Home 27.2
5 Miami Heat Away 25.3
6 San Antonio Spurs Away 25.2
7 Orlando Magic Home 25
8 Los Angeles Lakers Away 24.3
9 New Orleans Hornets Home 24.1
10 Atlanta Hawks Away 23.9
11 Dallas Mavericks Away 23.7
12 Miami Heat Home 23.2
13 Oklahoma City Thunder Home 22.8
14 Portland Trailblazers Home 21.9
15 Los Angeles Lakers Home 21.7
16 Utah Jazz Home 21.6
17 Dallas Mavericks Home 21.5
18 Boston Celtics Away 21.4
19 Oklahoma City Thunder Away 21
20 Memphis Grizzlies Home 20.1
21 Utah Jazz Away 19.9
22 New York Knicks Away 19.6
23 New Orleans Hornets Away 19.3
24 Orlando Magic Away 19.3
25 Philadelphia 76ers Home 18.4
26 Golden State Warriors Home 18
27 Phoenix Suns Away 17.8
28 Los Angeles Clippers Home 17
29 Detroit Pistons Home 16.7
30 Houston Rockets Home 16
31 Milwaukee Bucks Home 15.9
32 Charlotte Bobcats Home 15.6
33 Chicago Bulls Away 15.6
34 Phoenix Suns Home 15.5
35 Atlanta Hawks Home 14.9
36 New York Knicks Home 14.8
37 Portland Trailblazers Away 14.8
38 Indiana Pacers Home 14.7
39 New Jersey Nets Home 14.5
40 Denver Nuggets Away 14.5
41 Milwaukee Bucks Away 14.3
42 Houston Rockets Away 13.9
43 Washington Wizards Home 13.9
44 Memphis Grizzlies Away 12.2
45 Minnesota Timberwolves Home 11.7
46 Philadelphia 76ers Away 10.7
47 Indiana Pacers Away 10.7
48 Toronto Raptors Home 10.7
49 Los Angeles Clippers Away 10.6
50 Toronto Raptors Away 10.1
51 Golden State Warriors Away 9.6
52 Charlotte Bobcats Away 9.1
53 Cleveland Cavaliers Home 7.6
54 Sacramento Kings Away 6
55 New Jersey Nets Away 5.9
56 Detroit Pistons Away 5.1
57 Minnesota Timberwolves Away 4.7
58 Sacramento Kings Home 4
59 Cleveland Cavaliers Away 3.8
60 Washington Wizards Away 0
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Pregnant Pause on January 24, 2011, 08:29:04 AM
I just have to say, Eric Snow has to be the worst announcer/color guy in the league.  I know it must be tough to cover a Sixers team who'se ceiling is 36 wins, ESnow is aggresively boring and actively uninformative. 

Bring back Steve Mix
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on January 28, 2011, 07:16:15 PM
I had a few minutes to kill, so threw together my system's picks for tonight's (Jan 28) games.

Home Favorites


Golden State over Charlotte by 6
Indiana over New Jersey by 8
Philadelphia over Memphis by 8
Chicago over Orlando by 8
LA Lakers over Sacramento by 15
Miami over Detroit by 16
Utah over Minnesota by 17
Oklahoma City over Washington by 23

Road favorites
Milwaukee at Toronto by 4
New York at Atlanta by 4
Denver at Cleveland by 8
Boston at Phoenix by 8
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: fish on January 28, 2011, 07:54:36 PM
I had a few minutes to kill, so threw together my system's picks for tonight's (Jan 28) games.

Home Favorites


Golden State over Charlotte by 6
Indiana over New Jersey by 8
Philadelphia over Memphis by 8
Chicago over Orlando by 8
LA Lakers over Sacramento by 15
Miami over Detroit by 16
Utah over Minnesota by 17
Oklahoma City over Washington by 23

Road favorites
Milwaukee at Toronto by 4
New York at Atlanta by 4
Denver at Cleveland by 8
Boston at Phoenix by 8
I don't understand your crazy moon language.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on January 29, 2011, 05:42:34 AM
So. I could believe that I suck, but I will choose to believe that the NBA sucks.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on January 29, 2011, 05:24:40 PM
Chicago over Orlando by 8

You were almost dead on about the only game I really cared about, so I'll consider it a success.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on January 31, 2011, 05:25:44 AM
Weekly update

Jan 30
1 San Antonio Spurs Home 38
2 Chicago Bulls Home 34.3
3 Boston Celtics Home 31.9
4 Denver Nuggets Home 31.2
5 San Antonio Spurs Away 31.1
6 Miami Heat Away 29.7
7 New Orleans Hornets Home 28.5
8 Los Angeles Lakers Away 28.5
9 Dallas Mavericks Home 27.8
10 Orlando Magic Home 27.4
11 Dallas Mavericks Away 27.1
12 Miami Heat Home 26.7
13 Boston Celtics Away 26.1
14 Oklahoma City Thunder Home 26.1
15 Atlanta Hawks Away 26
16 Utah Jazz Home 25.1
17 Oklahoma City Thunder Away 24.5
18 Los Angeles Lakers Home 24.5
19 Orlando Magic Away 23.4
20 Memphis Grizzlies Home 23.4
21 Portland Trailblazers Home 22.9
22 Philadelphia 76ers Home 22.3
23 New Orleans Hornets Away 21.7
24 New York Knicks Away 21.6
25 Utah Jazz Away 21.5
26 Los Angeles Clippers Home 21.4
27 Milwaukee Bucks Home 20.5
28 Golden State Warriors Home 20
29 New York Knicks Home 19.9
30 Phoenix Suns Away 19.8
31 Houston Rockets Home 19.7
32 Phoenix Suns Home 19.6
33 Atlanta Hawks Home 19.2
34 Detroit Pistons Home 18.9
35 Denver Nuggets Away 18.8
36 Chicago Bulls Away 18.7
37 Charlotte Bobcats Home 18.5
38 New Jersey Nets Home 18.4
39 Portland Trailblazers Away 18.2
40 Milwaukee Bucks Away 17.6
41 Indiana Pacers Home 17.3
42 Houston Rockets Away 16.8
43 Washington Wizards Home 15.8
44 Memphis Grizzlies Away 15.3
45 Philadelphia 76ers Away 13.9
46 Minnesota Timberwolves Home 13.7
47 Indiana Pacers Away 13.4
48 Charlotte Bobcats Away 13.3
49 Golden State Warriors Away 12.4
50 Toronto Raptors Away 11.3
51 Los Angeles Clippers Away 11.2
52 Sacramento Kings Away 10.7
53 Toronto Raptors Home 10.7
54 Cleveland Cavaliers Home 9
55 Detroit Pistons Away 7.6
56 Minnesota Timberwolves Away 6.4
57 New Jersey Nets Away 6.2
58 Sacramento Kings Home 6.1
59 Cleveland Cavaliers Away 4.7
60 Washington Wizards Away 0
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on January 31, 2011, 12:54:53 PM
60 Washington Wizards Away 0

Impressive
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: buffcoat on January 31, 2011, 05:53:16 PM
Do the Clips have the biggest differential between home and away?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on January 31, 2011, 06:15:52 PM
Do the Clips have the biggest differential between home and away?

Looks like the Bulls is the largest, around 16. Nuggets are 13.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: buffcoat on January 31, 2011, 06:54:03 PM
Do the Clips have the biggest differential between home and away?

Looks like the Bulls is the largest, around 16. Nuggets are 13.

Read my post, dear jbissell.  The Clips have a 25-spot difference between home and away.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on January 31, 2011, 07:04:33 PM
Do the Clips have the biggest differential between home and away?

Looks like the Bulls is the largest, around 16. Nuggets are 13.

Read my post, dear jbissell.  The Clips have a 25-spot difference between home and away.

I thought you were talking about the numbers. Either way, the Bulls have a 34 spot difference.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on January 31, 2011, 07:32:49 PM
Do the Clips have the biggest differential between home and away?

Looks like the Bulls is the largest, around 16. Nuggets are 13.

Read my post, dear jbissell.  The Clips have a 25-spot difference between home and away.

I thought you were talking about the numbers. Either way, the Bulls have a 34 spot difference.

Home Bulls are about 34; road Bulls are about 19. That's only 15.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on January 31, 2011, 08:39:42 PM
Do the Clips have the biggest differential between home and away?

Looks like the Bulls is the largest, around 16. Nuggets are 13.

Read my post, dear jbissell.  The Clips have a 25-spot difference between home and away.

I thought you were talking about the numbers. Either way, the Bulls have a 34 spot difference.

Home Bulls are about 34; road Bulls are about 19. That's only 15.

Right, that's what I said the first time and buffcoat said he was talking about the difference in overall rank. Home 2, Away 36
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on February 01, 2011, 06:08:11 AM
Ack! Not processing info properly these days.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on February 04, 2011, 09:06:03 PM
Most of you don't seem too interested in college basketball, but I rank that too, and it takes lots more time (probably 5-7 hours per week), so humor me. I won't post it more than once a month, unless someone asks. In college this year, home court advantage seems to be worth 4 points.

1 Ohio State 42.2
2 Kansas 40.4
3 Pittsburgh 40.4
4 San Diego State 39.6
5 Duke 38.8
6 Texas 38.6
7 Brigham Young 38.6
8 Syracuse 38.3
9 Georgetown 37.7
10 Villanova 36.9
11 Connecticut 36.8
12 Purdue 36.6
13 Arizona 36.5
14 Utah State 36.1
15 Notre Dame 36
16 Louisville 35.5
17 George Mason 35.4
18 Florida 35.2
19 Cleveland State 35
20 North Carolina 34.9
21 Old Dominion 34.9
22 Kentucky 34.5
23 Cincinnati 34.4
24 West Virginia 34.3
25 Wisconsin 34
26 Texas A&M 34
27 UNLV 33.9
28 Missouri 33.8
29 Wichita State 33.8
30 Tennessee 33.8
31 Minnesota 33.3
32 Belmont 33
33 Vanderbilt 32.9
34 Temple 32.6
35 St. Mary's 32.6
36 Xavier 32.5
37 Illinois 32.4
38 Kansas State 32.3
39 Virginia Commonwealth 32
40 Washington 31.9
41 Georgia 31.9
42 Memphis 31.7
43 St. John's 31.6
44 Richmond 31.5
45 Florida State 31.5
46 Coastal Carolina 31.4
47 UCLA 31.4
48 Northern Iowa 31.3
49 Dayton 31.3
50 Oklahoma State 31
51 Virginia Tech 30.9
52 Missouri State 30.9
53 Boston College 30.8
54 Southern Miss 30.8
55 UAB 30.7
56 Texas-El Paso 30.7
57 Duquesne 30.6
58 Vermont 30.3
59 New Mexico 30.2
60 Marquette 30.2
61 Clemson 30.2
62 Colorado State 30.2
63 Harvard 30.1
64 Portland 30.1
65 Drexel 30
66 Washington State 29.9
67 Nebraska 29.6
68 Mississippi 29.6
69 Penn State 29.4
70 California 29.4
71 Michigan State 29.4
72 Maryland 29.3
73 Valparaiso 29.2
74 Fairfield 29.2
75 Baylor 29.1
76 Providence 29
77 College of Charleston 28.8
78 UCF 28.7
79 Gonzaga 28.7
80 Arkansas 28.6
81 James Madison 28.6
82 Princeton 28.5
83 Michigan 28.4
84 Oakland 28.4
85 Rhode Island 28.4
86 Marshall 28.4
87 Butler 28.3
88 Miami (Fla.) 28.3
89 Colorado 28
90 South Carolina 27.9
91 Hampton 27.8
92 Alabama 27.8
93 Florida Atlantic 27.8
94 Northwestern 27.6
95 Furman 27.5
96 Kent State 27.2
97 Massachusetts 27.1
98 Bucknell 27
99 LIU-Brooklyn 26.8
100 Hofstra 26.8
101 Southern California 26.7
102 North Carolina State 26.6
103 E. Tennessee State 26.6
104 Iowa State 26.5
105 Rutgers 26.4
106 Montana 26.4
107 Wright State 26.4
108 American 26.4
109 Tulsa 26
110 Buffalo 25.9
111 Quinnipiac 25.9
112 Rider 25.8
113 Indiana 25.5
114 Oklahoma 25.4
115 Evansville 25.4
116 Central Connecticut State 25.4
117 Seton Hall 25.4
118 Jacksonville 25.3
119 Murray State 25.3
120 Liberty 25.1
121 Virginia 25
122 Stanford 24.8
123 Santa Clara 24.8
124 Morehead State 24.7
125 Wisconsin-Milwaukee 24.6
126 Lipscomb 24.5
127 Maine 24.4
128 St. Bonaventure 24.4
129 Creighton 24.3
130 North Texas 24.3
131 Mississippi State 24.2
132 Texas Tech 24.1
133 IUPUI 24
134 Air Force 24
135 Columbia 23.9
136 Austin Peay 23.8
137 Hawaii 23.7
138 Long Beach State 23.6
139 Oregon 23.6
140 Iona 23.6
141 Wofford 23.6
142 Delaware 23.5
143 Miami (Ohio) 23.5
144 La Salle 23.5
145 Indiana State 23.3
146 Pacific 23.1
147 Georgia Tech 23.1
148 St. Peter's 23
149 Green Bay 22.9
150 Southern Methodist 22.9
151 East Carolina 22.8
152 IPFW 22.6
153 Akron 22.5
154 George Washington 22.3
155 Chattanooga 22.3
156 Detroit 22.3
157 Utah 22.2
158 McNeese State 22.2
159 Loyola-Maryland 22.2
160 Pennsylvania 22.2
161 New Mexico State 22
162 TCU 22
163 Ball State 22
164 Charlotte 21.9
165 San Francisco 21.8
166 Wagner 21.8
167 Loyola-Chicago 21.8
168 Northern Arizona 21.7
169 Arizona State 21.7
170 South Florida 21.7
171 Santa Barbara 21.7
172 Northern Colorado 21.6
173 Boise State 21.6
174 Rice 21.6
175 Western Michigan 21.5
176 South Dakota State 21.4
177 Ohio 21.3
178 Morgan State 21.3
179 NC-Wilmington 21.3
180 UMKC 21.2
181 NC-Asheville 21.2
182 Tulane 21
183 Yale 21
184 Nicholls State 21
185 LSU 21
186 Houston 20.9
187 Arkansas-Little Rock 20.8
188 Southern Illinois 20.8
189 Lehigh 20.8
190 Idaho 20.8
191 Denver 20.8
192 Jackson State 20.6
193 Saint Louis 20.5
194 Iowa 20.4
195 San Jose State 20.4
196 Davidson 20.3
197 Robert Morris 20.3
198 Bethune-Cookman 20.3
199 Weber State 20.2
200 Northeastern 20.2
201 Boston University 20.2
202 Western Kentucky 20.2
203 Oregon State 20
204 Siena 19.9
205 North Florida 19.8
206 Middle Tennessee 19.7
207 Texas Southern 19.6
208 Canisius 19.6
209 Stephen F. Austin 19.6
210 Bowling Green 19.6
211 Texas-San Antonio 19.4
212 Georgia State 19.4
213 Sam Houston State 19.3
214 North Dakota State 19.3
215 Oral Roberts 19.2
216 Campbell 19
217 Southeastern Louisiana 19
218 Army 18.8
219 Winthrop 18.8
220 Coppin State 18.7
221 Drake 18.6
222 Illinois State 18.6
223 Tennessee Tech 18.5
224 Presbyterian 18.5
225 Fresno State 18.5
226 Wake Forest 18.5
227 Arkansas State 18.5
228 VMI 18.5
229 Charleston Southern 18.4
230 Louisiana Tech 18.3
231 Utah Valley 18.2
232 Western Carolina 18.1
233 Northwestern State 18.1
234 Nevada 18
235 DePaul 17.9
236 Montana State 17.9
237 Cal Poly 17.9
238 Appalachian State 17.8
239 Brown 17.7
240 Tennessee State 17.6
241 Albany 17.5
242 New Hampshire 17.3
243 Delaware State 17.3
244 St. Francis (N.Y.) 17.2
245 Alabama A&M 17.2
246 Portland State 17.2
247 Texas-Arlington 17.1
248 Eastern Kentucky 17
249 Samford 17
250 South Alabama 17
251 Mississippi Valley State 16.9
252 North Carolina Central 16.7
253 Wyoming 16.6
254 North Dakota 16.4
255 California Irvine 16.3
256 Youngstown State 16.3
257 Texas A&M-Corpus Christi 16.3
258 Elon 16.3
259 Cal State Bakersfield 16.2
260 Stony Brook 16.2
261 The Citadel 16.2
262 Sacred Heart 16.2
263 William & Mary 16.2
264 North Carolina A&T 16.2
265 Florida International 15.9
266 New Orleans 15.8
267 Fordham 15.8
268 High Point 15.7
269 Saint Joseph's 15.7
270 California Riverside 15.7
271 Pepperdine 15.7
272 Bradley 15.6
273 Auburn 15.4
274 Cal State Fullerton 15.3
275 Dartmouth 15.3
276 South Dakota 15.3
277 Northern Illinois 15.3
278 Mount St. Mary's 15.2
279 Norfolk State 15.1
280 St. Francis (Pa.) 15.1
281 Texas State-San Marcos 15
282 Cornell 14.9
283 Lafayette 14.9
284 Illinois-Chicago 14.8
285 Mercer 14.8
286 California Davis 14.7
287 Hartford 14.6
288 Loyola-Marymount 14.5
289 Lamar 14
290 Florida Gulf Coast 13.9
291 Northridge 13.7
292 Eastern Illinois 13.5
293 Bryant University 13.5
294 Louisiana-Lafayette 13.3
295 Towson 13.3
296 Central Michigan 13.1
297 NC-Greensboro 12.8
298 New Jersey Tech 12.8
299 Monmouth 12.6
300 Navy 12.5
301 Idaho State 12.4
302 Savannah State 12.4
303 Southern Utah 12.4
304 Gardner-Webb 12.1
305 Stetson 12.1
306 Binghamton 12
307 Troy 11.9
308 Tennessee-Martin 11.7
309 Western Illinois 11.5
310 Florida A&M 11.4
311 Eastern Washington 11.3
312 Eastern Michigan 11.2
313 Radford 11.1
314 Howard 11.1
315 Holy Cross 11
316 San Diego 11
317 Longwood 11
318 Colgate 10.8
319 Toledo 10.6
320 Arkansas-Pine Bluff 10.4
321 Prairie View A&M 10.4
322 South Carolina State 10.3
323 Marist 10.2
324 Manhattan 10.1
325 Alabama State 10
326 Niagara 10
327 Maryland-Eastern Shore 9.8
328 Sacramento State 9.8
329 Central Arkansas 9.7
330 South Carolina Upstate 9.6
331 Maryland-Baltimore County 9.6
332 Alcorn State 9.5
333 Chicago State 9.3
334 Kennesaw State 9.3
335 Fairleigh Dickinson 9.3
336 Southeast Missouri State 9
337 Louisiana-Monroe 8.4
338 Southern 7.5
339 Grambling 7.1
340 Jacksonville State 6.5
341 Houston Baptist 5.8
342 Georgia Southern 5.8
343 Texas-Pan American 4
344 Centenary 0
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: buffcoat on February 04, 2011, 10:17:16 PM
UNC's loss to Vanderbilt seems much more defensible (20 vs 33).  Their 20-point loss at Georgia Tech (147) is as inexplicable now as it was the day it happened.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: buffcoat on February 04, 2011, 10:20:51 PM
PS I didn't realize the Gentlemen were having such a tough campaign.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on February 04, 2011, 11:11:15 PM
UNC's loss to Vanderbilt seems much more defensible (20 vs 33).  Their 20-point loss at Georgia Tech (147) is as inexplicable now as it was the day it happened.

Did you actually know that Vandy is "my team", or is this coincidental? Because I am a little freaked out right now.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: buffcoat on February 04, 2011, 11:47:01 PM
UNC's loss to Vanderbilt seems much more defensible (20 vs 33).  Their 20-point loss at Georgia Tech (147) is as inexplicable now as it was the day it happened.

Did you actually know that Vandy is "my team", or is this coincidental? Because I am a little freaked out right now.

No, it's a coincidence, Knoxville: the man I pay to follow you around hadn't figured that out yet.*


UNC is my team; Vandy seemed like their most incomprehensible loss, so I went there first, but your table indicates that the Ga. Tech loss was far more of an abberation.

Now that Larry Drew (II) is gone, because Larry Drew (I) told him to leave (hey, kid, at some point you have to make your own decisions and stop letting daddy tell you what to do) I expect UNC to get better once they've adjusted to not having him.  The team this year is much better than last due to some addition by subtraction, which is a big deal in basketball.

Leaders don't emerge when the players who are supposed to be leaders can't do it but are still there.





* Again, why even type these things?  I don't pay anyone to follow anyone around.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on February 05, 2011, 10:50:39 AM
I am pretty sure that I have mentioned that I grew up in Nashville. My parents had season tickets to Vandy basketball starting when I was 6 0r 7. I figure I have seen at least 200 games there.

NC has played their way back into a 4 or 5 seed, so I can't say their season is a disaster, but I am hurt that you thought/think a loss to Vandy is incomprehensible. They've had a top 25 RPI 7 of the last 10 years. They were in the Elite Eight back in the 90's, and have made the Sweet Sixteen 3 times in the last 10 years. Maybe nobody outside of and SEC circle knows about them, but they've been good since I was a child, outside of a few isolated seasons.

The only North Carolina loss that makes sense is Texas; Vandy's better than Illinois. The ACC sucks this year.

Have I driven everyone away yet?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: buffcoat on February 05, 2011, 01:40:51 PM
Poor David and his fancy Vandy fandydom!  Are you really upset that I didn't remember you were a Vanderbilt fan?  I've been away, but I apologize...


#20 (according to your chart) UNC has 5 losses to #6 Texas, #31 Minnesota, #33 Vanderbilt, #37 Illinois and #147 Georgia Tech.  So the suckitude or non-suckitude of the ACC doesn't enter into it that much.

College hoops is funny because it's not like the NBA, where you establish a consistent record within a season against certain teams.  UNC lost to Texas on a remarkable shot.  They got plain old beat by three teams in the 30s of your table and they got smashed to bits by a low-level ACC team (albeit on the road in a place where Roy Williams has done badly since he arrived in the ACC).

The game Sunday against inconsistent but talented FSU will go a long way toward who's in line for second in the ACC.  I'm assuming that even Kyrie Irving-less Duke will pull away, though I'm grateful to FSU for keeping them from an undefeated season in conference.

Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on February 05, 2011, 02:14:12 PM
Poor David and his fancy Vandy fandydom!  Are you really upset that I didn't remember you were a Vanderbilt fan?  I've been away, but I apologize...


#20 (according to your chart) UNC has 5 losses to #6 Texas, #31 Minnesota, #33 Vanderbilt, #37 Illinois and #147 Georgia Tech.  So the suckitude or non-suckitude of the ACC doesn't enter into it that much.

College hoops is funny because it's not like the NBA, where you establish a consistent record within a season against certain teams.  UNC lost to Texas on a remarkable shot.  They got plain old beat by three teams in the 30s of your table and they got smashed to bits by a low-level ACC team (albeit on the road in a place where Roy Williams has done badly since he arrived in the ACC).

The game Sunday against inconsistent but talented FSU will go a long way toward who's in line for second in the ACC.  I'm assuming that even Kyrie Irving-less Duke will pull away, though I'm grateful to FSU for keeping them from an undefeated season in conference.

Fancy is right! At times the Vandy Commodore has even been known to wear a monacle!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on February 05, 2011, 06:31:53 PM
I haven't seen too much of Vandy this year but I loved Ogilvy's game when he was there. Great player. Kevin Stallings is a great coach.

I'm on the Jimmer bandwagon. I'd be completely obsessed if he was at a school like Davidson. You would have thought that Steffan Curry gave me a kidney with how much I watched him.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on February 05, 2011, 07:23:23 PM
I promise to fill out one bracket this year based totally on those rankings Dave. For your efforts.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on February 07, 2011, 09:31:16 AM
I promise to fill out one bracket this year based totally on those rankings Dave. For your efforts.

I have never won a big pool. My system is numerically sound, and I tend to pick the winner a high percentage of the time, but neither I don't have any intuition, and neither does this system. Here's this week's NBA update; they play so many games in the NBA that it's becoming more and more static from week to week.

1 San Antonio Spurs Home 40.3
2 Chicago Bulls Home 36.4
3 Boston Celtics Home 34.6
4 Miami Heat Away 33.9
5 Denver Nuggets Home 33.5
6 San Antonio Spurs Away 33.2
7 Dallas Mavericks Away 32.4
8 Los Angeles Lakers Away 31.6
9 New Orleans Hornets Home 30
10 Dallas Mavericks Home 29.6
11 Oklahoma City Thunder Home 29.3
12 Miami Heat Home 29.1
13 Orlando Magic Home 28.9
14 Oklahoma City Thunder Away 28.4
15 Atlanta Hawks Away 28.4
16 Boston Celtics Away 28
17 Los Angeles Lakers Home 27
18 Utah Jazz Home 26.5
19 Memphis Grizzlies Home 26.3
20 Portland Trailblazers Home 26.1
21 Orlando Magic Away 25
22 Utah Jazz Away 24.9
23 Philadelphia 76ers Home 24.3
24 Golden State Warriors Home 23.6
25 Los Angeles Clippers Home 23.4
26 New Orleans Hornets Away 22.8
27 New York Knicks Away 22.7
28 New York Knicks Home 22.1
29 Houston Rockets Home 21.6
30 Phoenix Suns Away 21.5
31 Atlanta Hawks Home 21.5
32 Phoenix Suns Home 21.4
33 Milwaukee Bucks Home 21
34 Chicago Bulls Away 20.5
35 Indiana Pacers Home 20.1
36 Denver Nuggets Away 19.5
37 Charlotte Bobcats Home 19.4
38 Detroit Pistons Home 19.4
39 Portland Trailblazers Away 18.8
40 New Jersey Nets Home 18.6
41 Houston Rockets Away 18.6
42 Memphis Grizzlies Away 16.8
43 Milwaukee Bucks Away 16.3
44 Indiana Pacers Away 16
45 Washington Wizards Home 15.9
46 Philadelphia 76ers Away 15.3
47 Charlotte Bobcats Away 14.9
48 Golden State Warriors Away 13.7
49 Minnesota Timberwolves Home 12.8
50 Toronto Raptors Home 12.3
51 Sacramento Kings Away 12
52 Los Angeles Clippers Away 11.7
53 Toronto Raptors Away 10.6
54 Detroit Pistons Away 9.9
55 Cleveland Cavaliers Home 8
56 Minnesota Timberwolves Away 6.5
57 New Jersey Nets Away 6.4
58 Sacramento Kings Home 6.3
59 Cleveland Cavaliers Away 4.6
60 Washington Wizards Away 0
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on February 09, 2011, 05:05:12 PM
I promise to fill out one bracket this year based totally on those rankings Dave. For your efforts.

I have never won a big pool. My system is numerically sound, and I tend to pick the winner a high percentage of the time, but neither I don't have any intuition, and neither does this system. Here's this week's NBA update; they play so many games in the NBA that it's becoming more and more static from week to week.


I'm still going to do it. Although I will factor in injuries and matchups I will make your final rankings the deciding factor. Just on one bracket I fill out. I usually fill out 3 in the pool I'm in that has about 400 people play each year. Last year I ended up 7th... Gotta love Duke haters.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on February 10, 2011, 02:58:22 PM
It's going to be really strange not seeing Sloan with the Jazz. He's been there literally almost as long as I've been alive.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: buffcoat on February 10, 2011, 05:04:18 PM
I promise to fill out one bracket this year based totally on those rankings Dave. For your efforts.

I have never won a big pool. My system is numerically sound, and I tend to pick the winner a high percentage of the time, but neither I don't have any intuition, and neither does this system. Here's this week's NBA update; they play so many games in the NBA that it's becoming more and more static from week to week.


I'm still going to do it. Although I will factor in injuries and matchups I will make your final rankings the deciding factor. Just on one bracket I fill out. I usually fill out 3 in the pool I'm in that has about 400 people play each year. Last year I ended up 7th... Gotta love Duke haters.

Then you love me.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on February 10, 2011, 05:57:02 PM
I didn't realize Deron Williams was such a jerk. Sloan is the greatest coach of the past 30-40 years in my eyes always leading teams to winning records no matter the players. His best team was unfortunately playing at the same time as Jordan's reign. It's amazing how Deron Williams could cause him to quit. He was probably close anyway but to leave midseason just isn't like Sloan.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on February 10, 2011, 06:25:10 PM
It's going to be really weird not seeing Jerry Sloan walk the sidelines cursing at officials. The Stockton-to-Malone teams are some of my favorites. They would have had at least one ring if it wasn't for Jordan.

Utah's offense is absolutely beautiful to watch when everything is clicking.

My favorite Jerry Sloan moment (and one of my favorite NBA moments) was the look on his face when all-time knucklehead Ricky Davis shot at his own basket so he could get a rebound so he could get a triple double as captured here: Ricky Davis Triple Double Ripoff (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MezCclCSjNw#)

John Amechi was that British center who came out of the closet when he was done playing. He didn't have ANYTHING nice to say about Jerry Sloan, who wasn't the most open-minded of people.

I'm not going to rip Deron on this, though. The Jazz have a ton of problems and Jerry's a really stubborn guy. He's a great coach (and clearly the best to never win Coach of the Year and clearly a HOF) but being hard on players constantly and not changing up your offense (Kyle Korver said that they had exactly zero plays to free someone up for a three) and not adjusting your rotations can get to a player.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: TheeChrisDee on February 11, 2011, 08:59:02 AM
I think there are some crochety media folks who are trying to use this to show that players have too much power in the league right now.

I think the game had passed Sloan by, but his long tenure and popularity made it impossible for the Jazz to move on from him.  I'm sure the ownership and management are relieved that he resigned.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on February 11, 2011, 04:29:30 PM
I don't know, Sloan continued to win without being in a big market. Only Popovich comes to mind for the level of success Sloan continued to have without switching teams to find marquee players. I don't see how the game passed him by. If the players didn't like his style that's their problem, most players would be happy with being on a winning team year after year.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Chloe inChicago on February 13, 2011, 01:46:44 PM
Big Baby Glen Davis just missed a wide open lay up, then belly-bumped a Heat player.

If I were a Boston fan I probably wouldn't be laughing so hard. Sorry bout all those injuries, but I'm a magic fan through and through. I need a championship soon.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on February 14, 2011, 06:44:50 AM
Bifurcation has occurred. The system has gone all Mandebrotian on me. I don't pretend to understand it, I just report it.

Feb 14

1 San Antonio Spurs Home 31.4
2 Chicago Bulls Home 29.1
3 Boston Celtics Home 27.8
4 Denver Nuggets Home 27.5
5 Dallas Mavericks Home 25
6 Miami Heat Home 24.5
7 Orlando Magic Home 24.3
8 Oklahoma City Thunder Home 24
9 New Orleans Hornets Home 23.6
10 Los Angeles Lakers Home 23.2
11 Portland Trailblazers Home 23
12 Memphis Grizzlies Home 22.7
13 Utah Jazz Home 22.5
14 Philadelphia 76ers Home 22
15 Los Angeles Lakers Away 21.8
16 Los Angeles Clippers Home 21.6
17 Miami Heat Away 21.2
18 Dallas Mavericks Away 21.1
19 Golden State Warriors Home 21
20 San Antonio Spurs Away 21
21 Phoenix Suns Home 20.4
22 Indiana Pacers Home 19.2
23 New York Knicks Home 19.1
24 Milwaukee Bucks Home 19.1
25 Houston Rockets Home 18.5
26 Atlanta Hawks Home 18.2
27 Charlotte Bobcats Home 17.9
28 Oklahoma City Thunder Away 17.9
29 Detroit Pistons Home 17.9
30 Boston Celtics Away 17.6
31 Atlanta Hawks Away 17.5
32 New Jersey Nets Home 17.2
33 Washington Wizards Home 16.6
34 Orlando Magic Away 16.5
35 Utah Jazz Away 15.6
36 Phoenix Suns Away 15
37 New Orleans Hornets Away 14.5
38 New York Knicks Away 14.4
39 Chicago Bulls Away 14.3
40 Minnesota Timberwolves Home 13.6
41 Toronto Raptors Home 13.2
42 Denver Nuggets Away 12.4
43 Houston Rockets Away 12.4
44 Portland Trailblazers Away 11.9
45 Memphis Grizzlies Away 11
46 Cleveland Cavaliers Home 10.6
47 Indiana Pacers Away 10.6
48 Philadelphia 76ers Away 10.4
49 Sacramento Kings Home 10.2
50 Charlotte Bobcats Away 9.5
51 Milwaukee Bucks Away 9
52 Sacramento Kings Away 8.5
53 Golden State Warriors Away 8.5
54 Los Angeles Clippers Away 7.3
55 Detroit Pistons Away 6
56 Toronto Raptors Away 6
57 Minnesota Timberwolves Away 5
58 New Jersey Nets Away 4.3
59 Cleveland Cavaliers Away 2.5
60 Washington Wizards Away 0
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on February 14, 2011, 10:08:42 AM
If I were a Boston fan I probably wouldn't be laughing so hard. Sorry bout all those injuries, but I'm a magic fan through and through. I need a championship soon.

How're you feeling about the trades at this point? Arenas seems like a mistake.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: buffcoat on February 14, 2011, 10:43:44 AM
A Cavs win AND a Wizards road win (although over the Cavs).  It's a holiday in Cambodia.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Chloe inChicago on February 14, 2011, 01:13:21 PM
If I were a Boston fan I probably wouldn't be laughing so hard. Sorry bout all those injuries, but I'm a magic fan through and through. I need a championship soon.

How're you feeling about the trades at this point? Arenas seems like a mistake.

Yeah, I know. At first, I was both excited and nervous. I'm kinda peeved about the super small line-up. Like, Anderson is at 4 now, right? And he's only like 6'9", so Dwight definitely has more of a presence.

Arenas, bleh. Don't even get me started. I was so stoked to get him, but now I'm not too thrilled with his performance. He's too complacent. Play hard, dude. 

Luckily Bass is stepping up. He's a top-notch player.

I don't think we're getting a championship this year, or really anytime soon. But I'm hoping our younger line-up will give us an edge in future seasons.

I'm hopeful. A little optimistic. But not unrealistic.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on February 16, 2011, 01:00:29 AM
I know it's Miami and everything but this is unreal.

1) D Wade's pass is nuts.
2) How the hell did LeBron get down to the court that fast?
3) LOOK AT WHERE LEBRON JUMPS FROM TO CATCH THE PASS!
 
Dwyane Wade Full Court Alley-Oop Pass to Lebron James vs Pacers 2/15/2011 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xGhloP0odo#ws)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on February 16, 2011, 05:38:32 AM
I know it's Miami and everything but this is unreal.

1) D Wade's pass is nuts.

      Yes, great pass.

2) How the hell did LeBron get down to the court that fast?

      It's written into LeBron's contract that he can run toward his own goal whenever the shot clock gets to 21; after all, there are padding points to be had.

3) LOOK AT WHERE LEBRON JUMPS FROM TO CATCH THE PASS!

      Meh. Ever crack a Dr J highlight reel much? It don't look like you do!

Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on February 16, 2011, 08:57:59 AM
I know it's Miami and everything but this is unreal.

1) D Wade's pass is nuts.

      Yes, great pass.

2) How the hell did LeBron get down to the court that fast?

      It's written into LeBron's contract that he can run toward his own goal whenever the shot clock gets to 21; after all, there are padding points to be had.

3) LOOK AT WHERE LEBRON JUMPS FROM TO CATCH THE PASS!

      Meh. Ever crack a Dr J highlight reel much? It don't look like you do!


I know LBJ (and DWade) pad points but breaking out before the team has actually gotten a stop but it's still just insane for a guy that big to run down the court that fast. Also, he catches the pass on the fly.

Dr. J is probably my boyhood hero (along with "Nature Boy" Ric Flair) but I don't think I've ever seen him catch a ball and score in one motion while coming in from what looks like the low post.

I hate the Heat as much as any red-blooded American but if you substitute "Baron Davis" with Dwyane Wade and "Blake Griffin" with "LeBron James" the Internet would have exploded from this.

BTW, I think Blake's getting REALLY bad with releasing early and/or not getting back on defense. Starting to see that habit develop a bit.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: TheeChrisDee on February 16, 2011, 11:49:53 AM
wasn't the full court alley-oop the rumored Blake Griffin dunk contest coup de gras?

Damn LBJ and D-Wade for taking the shine off of that apple.

Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on February 16, 2011, 03:15:46 PM
wasn't the full court alley-oop the rumored Blake Griffin dunk contest coup de gras?

Damn LBJ and D-Wade for taking the shine off of that apple.

Well, LeBron didn't actually dunk it...
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: TheeChrisDee on February 16, 2011, 03:36:30 PM
funny, i was so impressed with the set up, that it never occured to me that he just layed it in...and i watched that play numerous times.

Now I'm excited to see if Blake tries to one up them.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on February 16, 2011, 03:47:49 PM
funny, i was so impressed with the set up, that it never occured to me that he just layed it in...and i watched that play numerous times.

Now I'm excited to see if Blake tries to one up them.

Oh I know, I watched it on my phone the first few times and didn't realize he layed it in until I watched it on my computer.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on February 18, 2011, 11:18:36 AM
Buzz Bissinger (http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-02-17/nba-all-star-game-white-men-cant-root/?cid=hp:mainpromo7) with one of the laziest, piece of trash articles I've read in a while.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: TheeChrisDee on February 18, 2011, 12:49:11 PM
I didn't realize, as a white basketball fan, that I was waiting for the great white hope of the NBA.  Thanks, Buzz...I guess I should watch hockey now or something.

That article just screams SOMEONE PAY ATTENTION TO ME!!!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: TheeChrisDee on February 18, 2011, 01:00:20 PM
Can I nominate Buzz Bissinger for the Hate Pit?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on February 18, 2011, 01:21:12 PM
OK, I just wrote a long thing about this, and then erased it, because I couldn't word it in a way that wouldn't reflect back poorly on me.

So I will just say it. This racist country is undeniably filled with ignorant white men who do not watch the NBA because there are "too many n*****s". Come to Knoxville, I could drive you to 10-20 homes where you could ask these morons yourself. And Knoxville's down-right progressive compared to the counties we are surrounded by.

Buzz Bissinger's writing may be lazy, and if he is tagging himself as one of the ignorant assholes in the distressingly large group that feel this way, throw him in the hate pit and drop an anvil on him. But if you don't think his thesis is at least to some extent true, you're fooling yourself. Don't shoot the messenger, unless he's also wearing a hood.

PS, I was going to say that I'm no racist, but it's one of those self-defeating statements why "Now I don't beat MY wife, BUT".
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: TheeChrisDee on February 18, 2011, 01:42:40 PM
To some extent his thesis is true.  I'm a huge hoops fan, living in the south and when I tell people that basketball is my favorite sport I usually get this response:

"The NBA is too thuggish for me."

Which I usually extrapolate to mean that it's too black for them and the person is probably somewhat racist.

Am I making a generalization, yes.  Is that wrong of me, probably.  Am I most likely right, yeah...because they usually say something soon afterwards which is less thinly veiled racism.

However, I don't agree with the main part of Buzz's thesis

"It boils down to this: Are whites losing interest in a game in which the number of white American players not only continues to dwindle, but no longer features a superstar?

Yes."

People have lost interest in basketball in certain areas because of one of two main reasons:

A) The economy stinks.
B) Their team stinks.

Overall, I think the NBA is  exceedingly popular.  The NHL All Star game drew a neilsen rating of 1.2 which was high enough to have the commissioner bragging about the 33% increase over 2009's game, meanwhile the Celtics / Lakers game it went up against drew a 5.0 rating.

Following Buzz's theory, wouldn't the hockey game have drawn bigger ratings since most of the players are white?

Buzz constantly bashes the NBA, I think he may be waiting for the great white hope...I'm not.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on February 18, 2011, 01:55:07 PM
OK, I just wrote a long thing about this, and then erased it, because I couldn't word it in a way that wouldn't reflect back poorly on me.

So I will just say it. This racist country is undeniably filled with ignorant white men who do not watch the NBA because there are "too many n*****s". Come to Knoxville, I could drive you to 10-20 homes where you could ask these morons yourself. And Knoxville's down-right progressive compared to the counties we are surrounded by.

Buzz Bissinger's writing may be lazy, and if he is tagging himself as one of the ignorant assholes in the distressingly large group that feel this way, throw him in the hate pit and drop an anvil on him. But if you don't think his thesis is at least to some extent true, you're fooling yourself. Don't shoot the messenger, unless he's also wearing a hood.

PS, I was going to say that I'm no racist, but it's one of those self-defeating statements why "Now I don't beat MY wife, BUT".

I'm sure that's true, I'm just not sure why it's any more relevant now than 10 or 20 years ago. Sure there's no Larry Bird, and most of the best white players are European (or Canadian), but there haven't been this many young stars who also seem to be pretty good guys in the 20 years I've been a fan. There's definitely plenty of race-based material to discuss re: the league but the whole article just smacks of someone who doesn't watch the NBA, dropping by to make a pronouncement on the state of the league, and moving on. Hell, he basically admits as much in the opening lines (and on twitter he freely admits it's probably a generational thing). That's my biggest problem with the article.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on February 18, 2011, 01:58:41 PM
Following Buzz's theory, wouldn't the hockey game have drawn bigger ratings since most of the players are white?

Hell, what about NASCAR? I know nothing about it but I hear they've been struggling.

Either way, this has been one of the most entertaining regular seasons in many, many years. I can't remember the last time that there were Jan/Feb games I was actually looking forward to watching and wasn't disappointed.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on February 18, 2011, 04:58:12 PM
Racism is part of the problem but it's not the main issue.

First, a lot of people crave for the way the game was played in the 80's which today's game can't provide. In my opinion, today's game is far more entertaining to watch but I totally get that some people gave up in the early 00's after they didn't have Jordan to watch anymore because the game wasn't the same.

Second, the league had a serious image problem up until about 2005-2006 and people haven't come back to realize the league has done a 180. That image problem wasn't based on race it was based on players flashing gang signs, the whole Pacers/Pistons brawl and everything else that went with that gang culture. It was prevalent in the NBA for at least five years. The common fan doesn't want any part of that and that doesn't have anything to do with race. It was hard for even a hardcore fan to love the NBA during those years.

And then lastly race. I get so mad when a couple of punches are thrown on the court and it becomes the top story on Sportscenter and makes local news when it's not even local. Meanwhile over at the hockey arena across the street people are cheering on two goons dropping gloves on the ice. Or, a brawl erupts at the baseball stadium and barely anybody flinches. That's directly related to race issues and that's where you get a lot of people who haven't come back to the NBA the chance to say, "They're thugs." No, they are pro athletes in a competitive enviroment. If you don't like it, don't watch sports. But, at least be consistent.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on February 18, 2011, 05:47:58 PM
I didn't forget to mention that I am not a racist, right?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on February 18, 2011, 05:50:29 PM
Hmmm, timely.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/18/cnn-black-thanksgiving-nb_n_825335.html#s242844&title=Courtney_Browne (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/18/cnn-black-thanksgiving-nb_n_825335.html#s242844&title=Courtney_Browne)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on February 18, 2011, 09:03:10 PM
Since the All-Star break is on, here's my midseason rankings

1 San Antonio Spurs Home 31.7
2 Chicago Bulls Home 31.5
3 Boston Celtics Home 29.3
4 Denver Nuggets Home 27.8
5 Orlando Magic Home 26.3
6 Dallas Mavericks Home 26.1
7 Miami Heat Home 25.4
8 Oklahoma City Thunder Home 25.2
9 Memphis Grizzlies Home 24.6
10 Portland Trailblazers Home 24.4
11 New Orleans Hornets Home 24.2
12 Los Angeles Lakers Home 24.2
13 Golden State Warriors Home 23.4
14 Philadelphia 76ers Home 22.7
15 Utah Jazz Home 22.5
16 Los Angeles Clippers Home 22.2
17 Dallas Mavericks Away 21.6
18 Miami Heat Away 21.4
19 New York Knicks Home 21
20 Phoenix Suns Home 20.8
21 San Antonio Spurs Away 20.8
22 Indiana Pacers Home 20
23 Charlotte Bobcats Home 19.9
24 Milwaukee Bucks Home 19.7
25 Houston Rockets Home 19.4
26 Atlanta Hawks Home 19.3
27 Los Angeles Lakers Away 18.8
28 Detroit Pistons Home 18.6
29 New Jersey Nets Home 18.1
30 Boston Celtics Away 17.8
31 Washington Wizards Home 17.5
32 Oklahoma City Thunder Away 17
33 Atlanta Hawks Away 16.9
34 Orlando Magic Away 16.2
35 Utah Jazz Away 15.2
36 Phoenix Suns Away 15
37 Toronto Raptors Home 14.6
38 Chicago Bulls Away 14.6
39 New York Knicks Away 14.3
40 Minnesota Timberwolves Home 13.4
41 New Orleans Hornets Away 13.1
42 Houston Rockets Away 12.4
43 Portland Trailblazers Away 12.2
44 Cleveland Cavaliers Home 11.7
45 Denver Nuggets Away 11.6
46 Sacramento Kings Home 11.3
47 Memphis Grizzlies Away 10.9
48 Philadelphia 76ers Away 10.3
49 Indiana Pacers Away 9.8
50 Charlotte Bobcats Away 9.3
51 Golden State Warriors Away 9.1
52 Milwaukee Bucks Away 9
53 Sacramento Kings Away 8.3
54 Detroit Pistons Away 6.3
55 Toronto Raptors Away 6.1
56 Los Angeles Clippers Away 5.9
57 Minnesota Timberwolves Away 5.2
58 New Jersey Nets Away 4.2
59 Cleveland Cavaliers Away 2.6
60 Washington Wizards Away 0
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on February 19, 2011, 07:47:30 PM
Second, the league had a serious image problem up until about 2005-2006 and people haven't come back to realize the league has done a 180. That image problem wasn't based on race it was based on players flashing gang signs, the whole Pacers/Pistons brawl and everything else that went with that gang culture. It was prevalent in the NBA for at least five years. The common fan doesn't want any part of that and that doesn't have anything to do with race. It was hard for even a hardcore fan to love the NBA during those years.

Those problems may not be race based, but I'm pretty sure that gang culture automatically goes to that place for the majority of people.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on February 20, 2011, 02:09:45 AM
Pretty great dunk contest. Definitely the best first round in ages. Wish we had gotten 2 more dunks from DeRozan.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: TheeChrisDee on February 21, 2011, 08:39:45 AM
very entertaining dunk contest. Blake had to win just because he didn't hurt or kill himself jumping over that car.  He is still a Clipper, after all.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on February 22, 2011, 10:00:17 AM
Thank god it's over.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: nec13 on February 22, 2011, 10:15:05 AM
Thank god it's over.

Here here.

As a Knick fan, I can't say that I'm disappointed with the outcome.  ;D

The Knicks need just one more piece...a stud point guard. CP3 or D-Will would fit the bill. Is it feasible capwise? I don't know.

Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on February 22, 2011, 11:21:34 AM
Buzz Bissinger is terrible. Friday Night Lights is one of my favorite books. I also liked A Prayer for the City. But he comes of as just so entitled and lazy. He's a lot like John Feinstein in that way.

Basketball is such a weird sport in terms of fandom. A lot of my friends are huge college basketball fans but don't like the NBA. And I can understand why, to a point. I love college basketball because, with the sheer amount of teams and the longer shot clock and slight rule changes, there's a lot more variability and can be a lot of fun to watch. And the NCAA Tournament is the best sporting event in our country, and with good reason. There are so many built-in storylines about Cinderella stories and rivalries and the like. It's just an awesome month to be a sports fan.

I also will admit to zoning out on the NBA a few years back. It just became too much one-on-one play (like Buzz said) and I couldn't watch another game where someone like Antoine Walker would go 1 for 9 from deep. But that hasn't been the case in years. There have been so many great teams that play a good team style over the past few years: the C-Web era Kings of Fun, the Mavs Finals team, the Seven Seconds or Less Suns, the Spurs this year, etc. Heck, even the Warriors and Clippers are awesome to watch and they're not even very good.

Buzz is a clown.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on February 23, 2011, 11:45:13 AM
The Nets just landed Deron Williams! They gave up Devon Harris, Derick Favors, a few draft picks and cash for him.

They essentially made the Knicks bid up for Carmelo and then got a better player for what they were offering Denver.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: TheeChrisDee on February 23, 2011, 11:49:32 AM
The Curse of Isiaah is back with avengence.

That was the shrewdest move I've seen in a while.

Jay-Z must be writing a new verse to The Takeover.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: gravy boat on February 23, 2011, 11:53:14 AM
The Nets just landed Deron Williams! They gave up Devon Harris, Derick Favors, a few draft picks and cash for him.

They essentially made the Knicks bid up for Carmelo and then got a better player for what they were offering Denver.

I like the craftiness of the Nets owner and like this trade.  I liked Harris when he came from Dallas but he has flatlined a bit--maybe hearing every day that your team wants to trade you isn't the best for your game. And as a Nets fan, I can only hope that the rumors of Isiah coming back to NY are true.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on February 23, 2011, 12:47:08 PM
My favorite part about this whole deal is that it caught EVERYONE totally off guard. Like not even hearing him mentioned in all the rumor mill stuff and then BAM. Refreshing.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: TheeChrisDee on February 23, 2011, 12:51:02 PM
The Jazz are positioning themselves really well for life with the new CBA.  Watch them come out of the lockout with one of the best teams in the NBA for good long run.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: buffcoat on February 23, 2011, 03:15:05 PM
Tony Kornheiser and Mike Wilbon are never going to get to stop talking about these two trades.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on February 24, 2011, 10:10:06 AM
I bought my brother a pair of random Knicks tickets for Christmas. Turns out they were for last nights game.

The crowd was indeed electric. They had a really awesome video of a quote Melo made at some point talking about how he wanted to be Bernard King as a kid. That was awesome.

Making it better, it was also legends night at the Garden. They had a half-time ceremony for Earl Monroe, Mark Jackson, John Starks, and Allan Houston.

They apparently allowed John Starks to pick three songs to play before the game last night. They were: "Rumpshaker" by Wrexx-in-Effex, "Motwon Philly" by Boyz 2 Men and "Remember the Time" by Michael Jackson. DJ Clue was also spinning tracks during timeouts and was surrounded by fly girls.

They also have a thing where if you send in a text message to the Garden they might show yours on the scoreboard. My submission of "Carmelo Anthony taught me never to report a crime" didn't make it.

Louis CK and Chris Rock were put on the big screen separately.

As far as the team -- I know it's the first game, but I will never be sold on Melo as a Top 10 player in the league. He's a total black hole if he gets the ball in the spot where he likes to post from. He's awesome when he gets to the rim (he'll finish or get fouled) but there are so many times when he tries jump shots which he's not good at. D'Antoni's offense works when the ball is moving and is heavy on pick'n'roll -- hence why Amare gets MVP chants. Melo is not good at either.

But Chauncey Billups.... I think NY's going to love him. The phrase "basketball IQ" was invented to define his game.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: TheeChrisDee on February 24, 2011, 11:12:05 AM
Adrian Wojnarowski was on The Morning Jones this morning and made a comment inferring that the new CBA might force the Heat to give up one of their "Big 3".  That doesn't bode well for the Knicks putting a quality team around Amare and Melo in the future.

Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on February 24, 2011, 11:29:29 AM
Baron Davis to the Cavs for Mo Williams. I think this might be my favorite trade since the Suns sent Tom Chambers to the Sixers for that Croatian dude who could dunk over a car and then Chambers promptly retired.

Baron Davis is going to be so awesome on the Cavs. He might not even bother to show up and not tell anyone his whereabouts.

I hope the Cavs bring Ricky Davis out of the woodwork next.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: TheeChrisDee on February 24, 2011, 11:45:49 AM
Can the Cavs sign Darius Miles to a 10 day contract, or would David Stern still nullify it?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on February 24, 2011, 11:59:06 AM
I think the Cavs should sign the Eddy Curry and then he and Baron can just hang out and eat all day.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on February 24, 2011, 02:23:09 PM
As far as the team -- I know it's the first game, but I will never be sold on Melo as a Top 10 player in the league. He's a total black hole if he gets the ball in the spot where he likes to post from. He's awesome when he gets to the rim (he'll finish or get fouled) but there are so many times when he tries jump shots which he's not good at. D'Antoni's offense works when the ball is moving and is heavy on pick'n'roll -- hence why Amare gets MVP chants. Melo is not good at either.

But Chauncey Billups.... I think NY's going to love him. The phrase "basketball IQ" was invented to define his game.

Yeah Carmelo is a little overrated. He's labeled as a superstar but I'd say he's just a really great scorer who has a knack for getting the foul called. But, every team needs somebody like that so he is a valuable asset as long as you aren't building a team around him. Denver built the team around him, and NY doesn't have to do that now. Great fit for NY.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Wes on February 24, 2011, 03:00:26 PM
I think this might be my favorite trade since the Suns sent Tom Chambers to the Sixers for that Croatian dude who could dunk over a car and then Chambers promptly retired.
Marko Milic! Show him some respect, jerk.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Terry From Cleveland on February 24, 2011, 03:19:18 PM
I really, really, hope someone had a camera on Baron Davis when he heard about this trade. I'm excited to see how a historically pouty player reacts to being traded from one of the top 5 cities for attractive women, nightlife, things to do if you are rich, and warm weather to Cleveland in February (I'm from here and love it, but even I would be a little PO-ed). Even more excited to see how the same guy reacts being a point guard traded from the team with the best dunker in the league to a team with like 2 guys who aren't too feeble to jump at the hoop. I think Davis is probably just going to play for the other team when he gets put in, so the Cavs have to play 4 on 6. This was a good move by the Cavs, nonetheless. We haven't had a bearded prima donna in town since Braylon Edwards.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: nec13 on February 24, 2011, 03:32:25 PM
I really, really, hope someone had a camera on Baron Davis when he heard about this trade. I'm excited to see how a historically pouty player reacts to being traded from one of the top 5 cities for attractive women, nightlife, things to do if you are rich, and warm weather to Cleveland in February (I'm from here and love it, but even I would be a little PO-ed). Even more excited to see how the same guy reacts being a point guard traded from the team with the best dunker in the league to a team with like 2 guys who aren't too feeble to jump at the hoop. I think Davis is probably just going to play for the other team when he gets put in, so the Cavs have to play 4 on 6. This was a good move by the Cavs, nonetheless. We haven't had a bearded prima donna in town since Braylon Edwards.

I love it!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Terry From Cleveland on February 24, 2011, 04:07:36 PM
And then lastly race. I get so mad when a couple of punches are thrown on the court and it becomes the top story on Sportscenter and makes local news when it's not even local. Meanwhile over at the hockey arena across the street people are cheering on two goons dropping gloves on the ice. Or, a brawl erupts at the baseball stadium and barely anybody flinches. That's directly related to race issues and that's where you get a lot of people who haven't come back to the NBA the chance to say, "They're thugs." No, they are pro athletes in a competitive enviroment. If you don't like it, don't watch sports. But, at least be consistent.

Not to totally discount the involvement of racism in this phenomenon, but I think basketball gets more coverage when that happens because the fans are so close to the action. There's no netting, wall, or plexiglass separating large angry men (of any race) from spectators at a basketball game, which makes it a whole lot more newsworthy, in my opinion.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Terry From Cleveland on February 24, 2011, 04:08:47 PM
On a lighter note,

(http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu166/mb2488/baron.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on February 24, 2011, 04:50:05 PM
So many trades. I'm most excited about Boston trading Perk, because most Celtic fans seem to be (justifiably in my opinion), upset by it.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Terry From Cleveland on February 24, 2011, 05:41:36 PM
We just got two white guys!


Dan Gilbert is salting the earth.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: TheeChrisDee on February 24, 2011, 10:07:46 PM
So many trades. I'm most excited about Boston trading Perk, because most Celtic fans seem to be (justifiably in my opinion), upset by it.

Those Celtics fans are wrong.  Jeff Green and Krstic will make the team better.  Perk wasn't coming back, trading him was the right thing to do.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on February 24, 2011, 10:59:06 PM
So many trades. I'm most excited about Boston trading Perk, because most Celtic fans seem to be (justifiably in my opinion), upset by it.

Those Celtics fans are wrong.  Jeff Green and Krstic will make the team better.  Perk wasn't coming back, trading him was the right thing to do.

I'm not a Celtic fan but I really couldn't disagree with you more. I'm not convinced Jeff Green is any good and I really don't get what anyone sees in him. Krstic can be ok on offense but he's a worthless defender. As has been pointed out by various people on twitter, they must not be worried about playing the Magic in the playoffs because Howard is just going to destroy those guys. Perk was one of the best at defending him.

Anyways, watching Bosh put up a 1-18 tonight totally made my week.
Chris Bosh Flop vs. Bulls, February 24, 2011 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9oInCQNzvs#ws)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Pregnant Pause on February 25, 2011, 07:47:22 AM
I'm not a Celtic fan but I really couldn't disagree with you more. I'm not convinced Jeff Green is any good and I really don't get what anyone sees in him. Krstic can be ok on offense but he's a worthless defender. As has been pointed out by various people on twitter, they must not be worried about playing the Magic in the playoffs because Howard is just going to destroy those guys. Perk was one of the best at defending him.
I agree, the only lasting memory I have of Jeff Green is him coming up super small against the Lakers in the playoffs last year.    He seems like one of those Al Harrington type SF/PF tweeners that will always be able to score 15+ points a game, but are pretty useless otherwise.  Plus this probably gets Ibaka more minutes, and he’s worlds better than Jeff Green. 
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: TheeChrisDee on February 25, 2011, 08:52:28 AM
Jeff Green has been playing out of position his entire career in OKC/SEA.  In Boston he is going to be an athletic 6th man who can score and defend several positions coming off the bench, which is something that the Celtics have not had.

People are giving Perkins way too much credit for the success that the Celtics have had against Orlando, but if you look at the game stats (they were listing them on the radio this morning, and I haven't had a chance to find them online, so I'll take their word for it) Dwight has gotten his points and rebounds against Perkins in almost every matchup.  The Celtics are fine with him doing his thing against them, what they don't do is double team Howard. 

Everyone is saying that Perkins was the defensive heart and soul of the Celtics, which is insane.  Kevin Garnett's resurgence this year has keyed the Celtics defense.  With or without Perkins in the line-up.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on February 25, 2011, 11:28:32 AM
Everyone is saying that Perkins was the defensive heart and soul of the Celtics, which is insane.  Kevin Garnett's resurgence this year has keyed the Celtics defense.  With or without Perkins in the line-up.

Yeah, it's not like their D was bad when Perk was out for most of the season. I just would be worried about relying on the O'Neals and KG staying healthy.

Jeff Green has been playing out of position his entire career in OKC/SEA.  In Boston he is going to be an athletic 6th man who can score and defend several positions coming off the bench, which is something that the Celtics have not had.

Even when he's playing the 4, I always see him taking 3-5 bad 3s a game, along with a lot of other bad shots. And he may be able to defend several positions, but that doesn't mean he does a good job of it.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on March 01, 2011, 06:48:02 AM
Forgot to post this yesterday. Of course, it doesn't change much anymore.

1 San Antonio Spurs Home 32.1
2 Chicago Bulls Home 31
3 Denver Nuggets Home 28.4
4 Boston Celtics Home 28
5 Dallas Mavericks Home 26.7
6 Orlando Magic Home 25.9
7 Oklahoma City Thunder Home 24.8
8 Los Angeles Lakers Home 24.5
9 Memphis Grizzlies Home 24.4
10 Miami Heat Home 24.3
11 Portland Trailblazers Home 23.4
12 New Orleans Hornets Home 23.3
13 Philadelphia 76ers Home 22.3
14 Golden State Warriors Home 22.2
15 Utah Jazz Home 21.6
16 Dallas Mavericks Away 21.4
17 Los Angeles Clippers Home 21.4
18 Phoenix Suns Home 21.1
19 New York Knicks Home 20.8
20 Miami Heat Away 20.5
21 Charlotte Bobcats Home 20.3
22 San Antonio Spurs Away 19.7
23 Los Angeles Lakers Away 19.2
24 Indiana Pacers Home 19.1
25 Houston Rockets Home 19.1
26 Milwaukee Bucks Home 18.9
27 Atlanta Hawks Home 18.7
28 Detroit Pistons Home 18.5
29 Boston Celtics Away 18.3
30 New Jersey Nets Home 17.5
31 Washington Wizards Home 16.1
32 Oklahoma City Thunder Away 16
33 Orlando Magic Away 15.7
34 Phoenix Suns Away 15.2
35 Atlanta Hawks Away 14.8
36 Toronto Raptors Home 14.8
37 Utah Jazz Away 14
38 Chicago Bulls Away 13.9
39 New York Knicks Away 13.5
40 Houston Rockets Away 13
41 New Orleans Hornets Away 13
42 Minnesota Timberwolves Home 12.5
43 Portland Trailblazers Away 12.1
44 Sacramento Kings Home 11.8
45 Cleveland Cavaliers Home 11.7
46 Denver Nuggets Away 11.2
47 Memphis Grizzlies Away 10.5
48 Philadelphia 76ers Away 10.4
49 Indiana Pacers Away 9
50 Charlotte Bobcats Away 8.8
51 Golden State Warriors Away 8.8
52 Milwaukee Bucks Away 8.5
53 Sacramento Kings Away 7.5
54 Detroit Pistons Away 5.7
55 Toronto Raptors Away 5.7
56 Minnesota Timberwolves Away 5
57 New Jersey Nets Away 3.8
58 Los Angeles Clippers Away 3.7
59 Cleveland Cavaliers Away 3.3
60 Washington Wizards Away 0
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Pregnant Pause on March 01, 2011, 09:36:22 AM
Sixers over 500 for the first time since 2008, I'll take anything I can get
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on March 05, 2011, 08:57:36 AM
The Knicks are back? Funny way of showing it.

Cleveland (12-49) «   32   26   27   34   119
New York (31-29)   32   32   24   27   115
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on March 06, 2011, 04:35:48 PM
Bulls sweep the Heat. Good times.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on March 09, 2011, 08:07:11 AM
8-Mar
1 San Antonio Spurs Home 30.8
2 Chicago Bulls Home 28.4
3 Boston Celtics Home 27
4 Denver Nuggets Home 26.8
5 Dallas Mavericks Home 24.9
6 Oklahoma City Thunder Home 24.1
7 Orlando Magic Home 24
8 Memphis Grizzlies Home 24
9 Los Angeles Lakers Home 23.2
10 Miami Heat Home 21.9
11 New Orleans Hornets Home 21.7
12 Portland Trailblazers Home 21.7
13 Philadelphia 76ers Home 21.4
14 Los Angeles Clippers Home 20.8
15 Dallas Mavericks Away 20.8
16 Golden State Warriors Home 20.7
17 Utah Jazz Home 20.1
18 Phoenix Suns Home 20.1
19 New York Knicks Home 19.9
20 Los Angeles Lakers Away 19.8
21 Miami Heat Away 19.5
22 Charlotte Bobcats Home 19
23 San Antonio Spurs Away 18.6
24 Houston Rockets Home 18.3
25 Indiana Pacers Home 17.9
26 Boston Celtics Away 17.7
27 Milwaukee Bucks Home 17.2
28 Atlanta Hawks Home 17.2
29 New Jersey Nets Home 16.7
30 Detroit Pistons Home 16.6
31 Oklahoma City Thunder Away 15.5
32 Orlando Magic Away 15.2
33 Toronto Raptors Home 14.6
34 Atlanta Hawks Away 14.4
35 Phoenix Suns Away 14.3
36 Washington Wizards Home 14.2
37 Chicago Bulls Away 14.2
38 Portland Trailblazers Away 13.2
39 Utah Jazz Away 13
40 New York Knicks Away 13
41 Houston Rockets Away 12.5
42 Minnesota Timberwolves Home 11.9
43 New Orleans Hornets Away 11.8
44 Denver Nuggets Away 11.4
45 Memphis Grizzlies Away 10.9
46 Philadelphia 76ers Away 10.7
47 Sacramento Kings Home 10.6
48 Cleveland Cavaliers Home 10.1
49 Milwaukee Bucks Away 8.6
50 Golden State Warriors Away 7.7
51 Charlotte Bobcats Away 7.5
52 Indiana Pacers Away 7.3
53 Sacramento Kings Away 7.2
54 Detroit Pistons Away 5.1
55 Toronto Raptors Away 4.7
56 Los Angeles Clippers Away 4.6
57 Minnesota Timberwolves Away 4.4
58 New Jersey Nets Away 4.3
59 Cleveland Cavaliers Away 4.1
60 Washington Wizards Away 0
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on March 09, 2011, 08:11:10 AM
With the conference tourneys cranking up, here's the 68 teams I think should be in the NCAA tournament

7-Mar
1 Kansas 42.5
2 Ohio State 42.1
3 Pittsburgh 41.1
4 Duke 40.2
5 San Diego State 39.8
6 Brigham Young 38.9
7 Syracuse 38.7
8 Purdue 38.2
9 North Carolina 38
10 Notre Dame 38
11 Texas 37.8
12 Old Dominion 37.6
13 Florida 37.3
14 Georgetown 36.6
15 George Mason 36.6
16 Louisville 36.4
17 Wisconsin 36.2
18 Arizona 36.2
19 Xavier 35.6
20 Cincinnati 35.6
21 Utah State 35.3
22 Kentucky 35.3
23 Kansas State 35.2
24 Connecticut 35.1
25 West Virginia 35.1
26 Temple 34.6
27 UNLV 34.4
28 St. John's 34.2
29 Villanova 34.1
30 Vanderbilt 33.7
31 Texas A&M 33.5
32 Missouri 33.3
33 Belmont 33
34 UCLA 32.8
35 UAB 32.6
36 Cleveland State 32.5
37 Richmond 32.5
38 Virginia Commonwealth 31.8
39 Memphis 31.6
40 Georgia 31.5
41 Missouri State 31.4
42 Harvard 31.4
43 Florida State 31.4
44 Illinois 31.3
45 Wichita State 31.1
46 Butler 31.1
47 Tennessee 30.9
48 Boston College 30.9
49 Gonzaga 30.8
50 Clemson 30.7
51 Texas-El Paso 30.7
52 Washington 30.5
53 St. Mary's 30.5
54 Michigan 30.4
55 Princeton 29.9
56 Marquette 29.8
57 Virginia Tech 29.8
58 Drexel 29.5
59 Michigan State 29.3
60 Coastal Carolina 29.2
61 Marshall 29.1
62 LIU-Brooklyn 29.1
63 Nebraska 29.1
64 Penn State 29
65 Colorado State 29
66 Oakland 28.9
67 Alabama 28.8
68 Washington State 28.8
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Pregnant Pause on March 09, 2011, 08:12:44 AM
Going to Sixers - OKC tonight, first time I'm excited to see the home team since the glory (40-42) days of Andre Miller. 
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on March 09, 2011, 09:44:29 AM
Going to Sixers - OKC tonight, first time I'm excited to see the home team since the glory (40-42) days of Andre Miller.

I think I'm back on board the Sixers bandwagon. Getting my foot back in.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: buffcoat on March 09, 2011, 01:47:45 PM
Dave - if USU loses their conference tourney, the committee's going to have to have a long consideration over what they believe is important. 

You could use any two random statements they've made over the years to justify both decisions.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on March 13, 2011, 11:42:38 PM
Any chance for one last NCAA update so I can fill out a bracket Dave?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on March 14, 2011, 07:15:44 AM
OK, but I wouldn't trust the bad bad man.

1 Kansas 43.4
2 Ohio State 43
3 Duke 41.4
4 San Diego State 41
5 Pittsburgh 39.3
6 Brigham Young 38.7
7 Connecticut 38.4
8 North Carolina 38.2
9 Texas 37.9
10 Syracuse 37.9
11 Florida 37.6
12 Notre Dame 37.5
13 Kentucky 36.8
14 Louisville 36.8
15 Purdue 36.4
16 Old Dominion 35.7
17 Arizona 35.7
18 Utah State 35.2
19 Georgetown 35.1
20 George Mason 34.7
21 Wisconsin 34.6
22 Cincinnati 34.5
23 Xavier 33.8
24 UNLV 33.8
25 Temple 33.6
26 Vanderbilt 33.6
27 Richmond 33.6
28 Kansas State 33.5
29 St. John's 33.4
30 West Virginia 33.3
31 Texas A&M 33.1
32 Memphis 32.7
33 Missouri 32.2
34 Villanova 32.1
35 Belmont 31.9
36 Washington 31.7
37 Cleveland State 31
38 UAB 31
39 UCLA 30.9
40 Texas-El Paso 30.7
41 Tennessee 30.4
42 Georgia 30.4
43 Princeton 30.3
44 Butler 30.3
45 Penn State 30.2
46 Clemson 30.2
47 Harvard 30.2
48 Michigan 30.1
49 Marquette 30.1
50 Virginia Tech 30.1
51 St. Mary's 30
52 Virginia Commonwealth 30
53 Missouri State 30
54 Florida State 29.9
55 Wichita State 29.8
56 Illinois 29.8
57 Gonzaga 29.7
58 Boston College 29.7
59 Michigan State 29.5
60 Dayton 28.9
61 LIU-Brooklyn 28.8
62 Oakland 28.5
63 Alabama 28.4
64 Oklahoma State 28.4
65 Coastal Carolina 28.3
66 Colorado State 28.3
67 Marshall 28.2
68 New Mexico 28.1
69 Drexel 28.1
70 Colorado 27.8
71 Bucknell 27.6
72 Nebraska 27.6
73 Miami (Fla.) 27.5
74 Mississippi 27.5
75 College of Charleston 27.5
76 Southern California 27.4
77 Southern Miss 27.3
78 Minnesota 27.3
79 Washington State 27.2
80 Valparaiso 27.1
81 UCF 27.1
82 Fairfield 27.1
83 Northwestern 26.9
84 California 26.9
85 Hofstra 26.6
86 Maryland 26.6
87 James Madison 26.5
88 Kent State 26.3
89 Tulsa 26.3
90 Baylor 26.1
91 Vermont 26
92 Mississippi State 25.8
93 Rider 25.7
94 Rhode Island 25.7
95 Morehead State 25.2
96 Arkansas 25.2
97 Portland 25
98 Wofford 24.9
99 Wisconsin-Milwaukee 24.8
100 Iona 24.8
101 Akron 24.8
102 Duquesne 24.7
103 Indiana State 24.7
104 E. Tennessee State 24.6
105 Long Beach State 24.5
106 Murray State 24.4
107 American 24.4
108 Furman 24.2
109 Seton Hall 24.1
110 Quinnipiac 24.1
111 St. Bonaventure 24.1
112 Florida Atlantic 24
113 Rutgers 23.9
114 Northern Iowa 23.8
115 North Carolina State 23.8
116 Hampton 23.7
117 Providence 23.6
118 East Carolina 23.5
119 Northern Colorado 23.4
120 Virginia 23.4
121 Montana 23.2
122 Boise State 23.2
123 Iowa State 23
124 Wright State 23
125 George Washington 22.9
126 Creighton 22.9
127 South Carolina 22.9
128 Oregon 22.5
129 St. Peter's 22.4
130 Boston University 22.2
131 North Texas 22
132 Oklahoma 22
133 Miami (Ohio) 21.9
134 Air Force 21.9
135 Jacksonville 21.8
136 Hawaii 21.7
137 Oral Roberts 21.6
138 San Francisco 21.6
139 Stanford 21.5
140 IUPUI 21.5
141 Massachusetts 21.4
142 Santa Clara 21.3
143 Central Connecticut State 21.2
144 Detroit 21.2
145 Robert Morris 21.1
146 McNeese State 21.1
147 Utah 21
148 NC-Asheville 20.8
149 Western Michigan 20.8
150 Austin Peay 20.6
151 Buffalo 20.6
152 Georgia Tech 20.6
153 Ohio 20.6
154 Texas Tech 20.6
155 La Salle 20.6
156 Idaho 20.6
157 Lipscomb 20.4
158 Southern Methodist 20.4
159 Evansville 20.3
160 South Dakota State 20.1
161 Yale 20.1
162 Northern Arizona 19.9
163 Davidson 19.9
164 Santa Barbara 19.9
165 Liberty 19.9
166 Indiana 19.9
167 Delaware 19.8
168 IPFW 19.8
169 Arizona State 19.7
170 New Mexico State 19.7
171 Ball State 19.6
172 Columbia 19.4
173 Weber State 19.4
174 San Jose State 19.4
175 Western Carolina 19.4
176 Sam Houston State 19.3
177 South Florida 19.3
178 Bethune-Cookman 19.2
179 Pennsylvania 19
180 Tennessee Tech 19
181 Loyola-Chicago 19
182 Appalachian State 18.9
183 Texas-San Antonio 18.7
184 VMI 18.7
185 Arkansas-Little Rock 18.6
186 Stephen F. Austin 18.5
187 Rice 18.5
188 Loyola-Maryland 18.5
189 Western Kentucky 18.5
190 Saint Louis 18.4
191 Arkansas State 18.3
192 Texas Southern 18.2
193 Canisius 18.1
194 Iowa 18
195 Morgan State 18
196 North Florida 17.9
197 Green Bay 17.8
198 NC-Wilmington 17.7
199 Chattanooga 17.7
200 Pacific 17.6
201 UMKC 17.5
202 Lehigh 17.4
203 Northeastern 17.3
204 St. Francis (N.Y.) 17
205 Drake 16.9
206 Saint Joseph's 16.9
207 Wagner 16.9
208 Fresno State 16.8
209 Southern Illinois 16.8
210 Middle Tennessee 16.8
211 TCU 16.7
212 Oregon State 16.6
213 Tulane 16.5
214 Maine 16.5
215 Southeastern Louisiana 16.4
216 Albany 16.3
217 Nevada 16.3
218 Siena 16.3
219 Northwestern State 16.2
220 Nicholls State 16.2
221 Georgia State 16.2
222 Charlotte 16.2
223 Mercer 16.1
224 LSU 16.1
225 Coppin State 16.1
226 Presbyterian 16.1
227 Utah Valley 16.1
228 Louisiana-Lafayette 16
229 Cal Poly 16
230 Houston 15.9
231 North Dakota State 15.9
232 Winthrop 15.8
233 Cornell 15.7
234 New Orleans 15.7
235 Charleston Southern 15.6
236 Denver 15.5
237 DePaul 15.1
238 Texas State-San Marcos 15.1
239 Bradley 15
240 Brown 14.9
241 William & Mary 14.8
242 Stony Brook 14.8
243 Tennessee State 14.7
244 Auburn 14.6
245 Elon 14.5
246 North Carolina A&T 14.5
247 Wyoming 14.5
248 Bowling Green 14.4
249 North Dakota 14.3
250 Jackson State 14
251 North Carolina Central 14
252 South Alabama 14
253 Portland State 13.8
254 Illinois State 13.6
255 Eastern Kentucky 13.6
256 Wake Forest 13.5
257 Lafayette 13.3
258 Pepperdine 13.2
259 Texas-Arlington 13.2
260 Savannah State 13.1
261 Northridge 13
262 Mount St. Mary's 13
263 High Point 13
264 Louisiana Tech 12.8
265 Fordham 12.8
266 Montana State 12.7
267 Campbell 12.7
268 New Hampshire 12.6
269 Sacred Heart 12.6
270 Alabama A&M 12.6
271 California Irvine 12.5
272 Youngstown State 12.4
273 Mississippi Valley State 12.4
274 Lamar 12.4
275 Samford 12.2
276 Florida International 12.2
277 California Riverside 12.1
278 South Dakota 12
279 New Jersey Tech 12
280 Alabama State 11.9
281 Gardner-Webb 11.9
282 Southern Utah 11.9
283 Florida Gulf Coast 11.8
284 Army 11.7
285 Hartford 11.7
286 Loyola-Marymount 11.7
287 St. Francis (Pa.) 11.5
288 Bryant University 11.4
289 Texas A&M-Corpus Christi 11.3
290 Troy 11.3
291 Cal State Bakersfield 11.1
292 Longwood 11.1
293 Illinois-Chicago 11
294 Monmouth 10.9
295 Idaho State 10.7
296 Cal State Fullerton 10.5
297 Navy 10.4
298 The Citadel 10.4
299 Eastern Washington 10.3
300 Holy Cross 10.3
301 Central Michigan 10.2
302 Tennessee-Martin 10
303 NC-Greensboro 10
304 California Davis 10
305 Niagara 9.7
306 Norfolk State 9.5
307 Northern Illinois 9.4
308 Delaware State 9.2
309 Florida A&M 9.1
310 Stetson 8.7
311 Eastern Illinois 8.7
312 Binghamton 8.7
313 Towson 8.6
314 San Diego 8.6
315 Dartmouth 8.4
316 Southeast Missouri State 8.4
317 Grambling 8.1
318 Maryland-Eastern Shore 8
319 Eastern Michigan 8
320 Kennesaw State 7.9
321 Colgate 7.8
322 Sacramento State 7.6
323 South Carolina Upstate 7.4
324 Manhattan 7.3
325 South Carolina State 6.7
326 Marist 6.7
327 Prairie View A&M 6.5
328 Radford 6.5
329 Maryland-Baltimore County 6.2
330 Howard 6.2
331 Fairleigh Dickinson 6.2
332 Western Illinois 6.1
333 Louisiana-Monroe 5.9
334 Arkansas-Pine Bluff 5.6
335 Central Arkansas 4.8
336 Alcorn State 4.4
337 Jacksonville State 3.9
338 Toledo 3.6
339 Georgia Southern 3.1
340 Chicago State 2.4
341 Texas-Pan American 2.1
342 Southern 0.7
343 Houston Baptist 0.6
344 Centenary 0
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on March 14, 2011, 02:20:00 PM
How far would you drop BYU with Davies out?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on March 14, 2011, 02:38:38 PM
Yikes, I did a mock bracket with those results and it ends up pretty conservative. A couple 1st round upsets, but after that it's pretty much chalk.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on March 14, 2011, 02:49:05 PM
Wow, Richmond & Vandy have the same rating.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on March 14, 2011, 03:43:15 PM
I think I'm going to back off on using the rankings as the final say and use them as a guide Dave. Now watch,  this will be the year where no upsets occur.

Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on March 14, 2011, 04:27:44 PM
I haven't paid a whole lot of attention to college basketball this year. Other than BYU what other teams lost an important player recently?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on March 14, 2011, 06:17:58 PM
I haven't paid a whole lot of attention to college basketball this year. Other than BYU what other teams lost an important player recently?

St. John's lost a key component.

I *HATE* my initial bracket. I think I picked all 1 seeds. That's not like me! Of course, I usually come in last place in every office pool ever.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on March 14, 2011, 08:51:03 PM
13-Mar
1 San Antonio Spurs Home 33.9
2 Chicago Bulls Home 32.1
3 Denver Nuggets Home 29.2
4 Boston Celtics Home 29
5 Dallas Mavericks Home 27.5
6 Oklahoma City Thunder Home 26.2
7 Orlando Magic Home 26
8 Memphis Grizzlies Home 25.7
9 Miami Heat Home 25.4
10 Los Angeles Lakers Home 25
11 New Orleans Hornets Home 24.5
12 Portland Trailblazers Home 23.5
13 Philadelphia 76ers Home 23.4
14 Golden State Warriors Home 23
15 Los Angeles Clippers Home 22.3
16 Dallas Mavericks Away 22
17 Utah Jazz Home 21.7
18 Los Angeles Lakers Away 21.5
19 Phoenix Suns Home 21.3
20 Charlotte Bobcats Home 20.9
21 New York Knicks Home 20.8
22 Miami Heat Away 20.7
23 San Antonio Spurs Away 20.5
24 Houston Rockets Home 19.8
25 Milwaukee Bucks Home 19.5
26 Indiana Pacers Home 19.4
27 Atlanta Hawks Home 19.3
28 New Jersey Nets Home 18.7
29 Boston Celtics Away 18.7
30 Detroit Pistons Home 18
31 Oklahoma City Thunder Away 17.1
32 Orlando Magic Away 16.6
33 Chicago Bulls Away 15.6
34 Toronto Raptors Home 15.4
35 Phoenix Suns Away 15.3
36 Atlanta Hawks Away 15.2
37 Washington Wizards Home 14.7
38 Minnesota Timberwolves Home 14.1
39 New York Knicks Away 13.9
40 Houston Rockets Away 13.3
41 Utah Jazz Away 12.9
42 Portland Trailblazers Away 12.9
43 New Orleans Hornets Away 12.7
44 Denver Nuggets Away 12.5
45 Memphis Grizzlies Away 11.3
46 Sacramento Kings Home 11
47 Philadelphia 76ers Away 10.7
48 Cleveland Cavaliers Home 9.8
49 Milwaukee Bucks Away 8.9
50 Charlotte Bobcats Away 8.3
51 Golden State Warriors Away 7.6
52 Sacramento Kings Away 7
53 Indiana Pacers Away 6.5
54 Los Angeles Clippers Away 5.3
55 Toronto Raptors Away 5.1
56 Detroit Pistons Away 4.7
57 New Jersey Nets Away 4.6
58 Minnesota Timberwolves Away 4
59 Cleveland Cavaliers Away 3.7
60 Washington Wizards Away 0
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on March 15, 2011, 02:41:19 AM
It's amazing how much home court really matters, but you look at the list and it does. I can see how it's different in baseball but the only things that are different in basketball is the travel and the fans... you'd think with all the advances in psychiatry that home/road splits should be closer to even these days.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on March 15, 2011, 08:17:57 AM
It's amazing how much home court really matters, but you look at the list and it does. I can see how it's different in baseball but the only things that are different in basketball is the travel and the fans... you'd think with all the advances in psychiatry that home/road splits should be closer to even these days.

Unfortunately, if it's right, the playoff results are all but pre-destined. Thank God the better team only wins about 75% of the time, or sports would lose its, uhhhhhhh, mystique.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: fonpr on March 15, 2011, 08:53:49 AM
It's amazing how much home court referees really matters
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on March 15, 2011, 12:56:54 PM
It's amazing how much home court referees really matters

It's not really in the league's best interest to give teams like the Wolves home cooking.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on March 15, 2011, 02:23:33 PM
Belmont is the trendy upset pick, but I really like Wisconsin. They don't turnover the ball and they matchup really well against future round opponents if they get past Belmont. On paper they look like a team that can make at least a run to the elite eight but that first round matchup is going to scare a lot of people off.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on March 15, 2011, 04:10:58 PM
Belmont is the trendy upset pick, but I really like Wisconsin. They don't turnover the ball and they matchup really well against future round opponents if they get past Belmont. On paper they look like a team that can make at least a run to the elite eight but that first round matchup is going to scare a lot of people off.

I have 2 brackets in a pool, one with WI losing to Belmont, 1 with them in the final 4. But I only pay attention to college basketball during the tournament.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on March 15, 2011, 05:33:15 PM
Belmont is the trendy upset pick, but I really like Wisconsin. They don't turnover the ball and they matchup really well against future round opponents if they get past Belmont. On paper they look like a team that can make at least a run to the elite eight but that first round matchup is going to scare a lot of people off.

The Dean of our English department is Kathy Byrd. Her father is veteran Hall of Fame sportswriter Ben Byrd. Her BROTHER is Rick Byrd, Belmont's coach. I wish him all the best.

Also, those Wisconsin fans overwhelmingly voted in that prick for Governor, so fuck them.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on March 21, 2011, 06:24:15 AM
If my college bracket is any indication, these are random.

1 San Antonio Spurs Home 36.6
2 Chicago Bulls Home 34.2
3 Boston Celtics Home 31.5
4 Denver Nuggets Home 31.2
5 Dallas Mavericks Home 29.9
6 Los Angeles Lakers Home 28.8
7 Miami Heat Home 28.7
8 Memphis Grizzlies Home 28.6
9 Oklahoma City Thunder Home 28.4
10 Orlando Magic Home 28.2
11 Portland Trailblazers Home 26.8
12 New Orleans Hornets Home 26.7
13 Philadelphia 76ers Home 25.3
14 Golden State Warriors Home 24.9
15 Utah Jazz Home 24.7
16 Houston Rockets Home 23.9
17 Los Angeles Clippers Home 23.8
18 Phoenix Suns Home 23.7
19 Dallas Mavericks Away 23.5
20 New York Knicks Home 23.5
21 Charlotte Bobcats Home 22.9
22 Los Angeles Lakers Away 22.6
23 Indiana Pacers Home 22.5
24 Miami Heat Away 22.4
25 Milwaukee Bucks Home 22.2
26 San Antonio Spurs Away 21.9
27 Atlanta Hawks Home 21.6
28 New Jersey Nets Home 21.3
29 Detroit Pistons Home 20.9
30 Boston Celtics Away 19.3
31 Oklahoma City Thunder Away 19.2
32 Orlando Magic Away 17.7
33 Toronto Raptors Home 17.4
34 Washington Wizards Home 16.7
35 Chicago Bulls Away 16.6
36 Atlanta Hawks Away 16.4
37 Phoenix Suns Away 16.1
38 Minnesota Timberwolves Home 15.4
39 Houston Rockets Away 14.3
40 Denver Nuggets Away 14.1
41 New Orleans Hornets Away 13.8
42 Utah Jazz Away 13.7
43 Portland Trailblazers Away 13.5
44 New York Knicks Away 13.3
45 Sacramento Kings Home 12
46 Memphis Grizzlies Away 11.8
47 Cleveland Cavaliers Home 11.6
48 Philadelphia 76ers Away 11.3
49 Milwaukee Bucks Away 9.3
50 Sacramento Kings Away 8.3
51 Charlotte Bobcats Away 8.2
52 Indiana Pacers Away 6.8
53 Golden State Warriors Away 6.6
54 Toronto Raptors Away 6
55 Los Angeles Clippers Away 5.9
56 Detroit Pistons Away 5
57 Minnesota Timberwolves Away 4.1
58 New Jersey Nets Away 4.1
59 Cleveland Cavaliers Away 3.7
60 Washington Wizards Away 0
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: njkaters on March 21, 2011, 11:31:57 AM
Belmont is the trendy upset pick, but I really like Wisconsin. They don't turnover the ball and they matchup really well against future round opponents if they get past Belmont. On paper they look like a team that can make at least a run to the elite eight but that first round matchup is going to scare a lot of people off.

The Dean of our English department is Kathy Byrd. Her father is veteran Hall of Fame sportswriter Ben Byrd. Her BROTHER is Rick Byrd, Belmont's coach. I wish him all the best.

Also, those Wisconsin fans overwhelmingly voted in that prick for Governor, so fuck them.

I'm a Wisconsin fan/resident who didn't vote for Scott Walker but I take your point...most Wisconsin alumni probably voted for him despite (or maybe because) living in the most liberal part of the state for 4+ years.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on March 23, 2011, 02:02:58 AM
Hope everyone got to watch Lakers/Suns 3OT after The Best Show. Ridiculously well-played game.

Also: Wisconsin is my least favorite NCAA basketball team. They play the most dreadful style of basketball imaginable. But they have this guy Bruiserwitz who looks like Seth Rogan who has become my favorite basketball player left in the tournament. I can't believe this guy plays D-1 basketball.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Dave on March 24, 2011, 05:40:07 PM
please take a moment to read this interview i did with tom while attending a nets game earlier this week: http://www.negativedunkalectics.com/2011/03/nba-will-expose-you-tom-scharpling-and.html (http://www.negativedunkalectics.com/2011/03/nba-will-expose-you-tom-scharpling-and.html)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: buffcoat on March 25, 2011, 11:06:28 AM
The later rounds of the NCAA Tournament only get fun after Duke has lost.  And this year my alma mater outlasts them by at least 22 hours, maybe more.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on March 29, 2011, 06:18:04 AM
Weird weird night last night. Here's this week's update.

1 San Antonio Spurs Home 32.5
2 Chicago Bulls Home 31.1
3 Denver Nuggets Home 28.6
4 Boston Celtics Home 27.6
5 Dallas Mavericks Home 26.8
6 Los Angeles Lakers Home 26.4
7 Oklahoma City Thunder Home 26.3
8 Miami Heat Home 26.2
9 Memphis Grizzlies Home 26
10 Orlando Magic Home 25.4
11 Portland Trailblazers Home 24.5
12 New Orleans Hornets Home 23.7
13 Philadelphia 76ers Home 23.3
14 Golden State Warriors Home 22.6
15 Los Angeles Clippers Home 21.9
16 Houston Rockets Home 21.9
17 New York Knicks Home 21.6
18 Phoenix Suns Home 21.5
19 Utah Jazz Home 21.1
20 Dallas Mavericks Away 21.1
21 Charlotte Bobcats Home 20.8
22 Indiana Pacers Home 20.5
23 Miami Heat Away 20.1
24 Los Angeles Lakers Away 20.1
25 Atlanta Hawks Home 19.6
26 Detroit Pistons Home 19.3
27 Milwaukee Bucks Home 19.3
28 San Antonio Spurs Away 19.2
29 New Jersey Nets Home 18.7
30 Boston Celtics Away 17.1
31 Oklahoma City Thunder Away 17.1
32 Toronto Raptors Home 15.8
33 Orlando Magic Away 15.7
34 Washington Wizards Home 15.3
35 Chicago Bulls Away 15.2
36 Phoenix Suns Away 14.4
37 Atlanta Hawks Away 14.4
38 Minnesota Timberwolves Home 14.2
39 New Orleans Hornets Away 13.4
40 Portland Trailblazers Away 13.1
41 Houston Rockets Away 13.1
42 Denver Nuggets Away 12.8
43 Utah Jazz Away 11.9
44 Sacramento Kings Home 11.3
45 New York Knicks Away 11.2
46 Memphis Grizzlies Away 11.1
47 Philadelphia 76ers Away 10.8
48 Cleveland Cavaliers Home 10.4
49 Milwaukee Bucks Away 9.1
50 Sacramento Kings Away 8.2
51 Charlotte Bobcats Away 8.2
52 Indiana Pacers Away 6.8
53 Golden State Warriors Away 5.8
54 Los Angeles Clippers Away 5.6
55 Detroit Pistons Away 4.2
56 Cleveland Cavaliers Away 4
57 Toronto Raptors Away 4
58 Minnesota Timberwolves Away 3.6
59 New Jersey Nets Away 3.3
60 Washington Wizards Away 0
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on April 11, 2011, 11:55:37 AM
The final post from freedarko.com is up now.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: amazingjourney on April 11, 2011, 07:54:04 PM
It seems like I find out about cool sports blogs whenever they are shutting down or close to ending.

Can anyone recommend any other NBA sites or general sports blogs to read. . . I want to get in on the ground floor of something!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: senorcorazon on April 12, 2011, 08:43:30 AM
The final post from freedarko.com is up now.

Can someone explain why they're shutting down? I know it's probably a ton of work and they're busy, but just wondering if there was some other reason.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on April 12, 2011, 09:19:20 AM
It seems like I find out about cool sports blogs whenever they are shutting down or close to ending.

Can anyone recommend any other NBA sites or general sports blogs to read. . . I want to get in on the ground floor of something!

Negative Dunkalectics is well-placed to replace Free Darko as the thinking man's guide to the NBA. They're currently doing a preview of the NBA playoffs through the prism of classic emo albums. (And more Rites of Spring and I Hate Myself as opposed to what people have dubbed emo these days.) They also just interviewed Tom by going to a Nets game w/ him. I can't stress enough how much I like these guys.

Also: True Hoop on ESPN.com. That's the first thing I read every morning, save for work e-mails.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on April 12, 2011, 10:55:57 AM
The final post from freedarko.com is up now.

Can someone explain why they're shutting down? I know it's probably a ton of work and they're busy, but just wondering if there was some other reason.

I haven't seen any specific reason. I know Shoals writes for a bunch of different places these days.

Though I haven't been a consistant reader of the blog the last year or so, it was a big influence on me rekindling my love with the NBA around 2006. It was mostly a happy accident, finding them through the McSweeney's pieces.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: amazingjourney on April 12, 2011, 11:14:50 AM
It seems like I find out about cool sports blogs whenever they are shutting down or close to ending.

Can anyone recommend any other NBA sites or general sports blogs to read. . . I want to get in on the ground floor of something!

Negative Dunkalectics is well-placed to replace Free Darko as the thinking man's guide to the NBA. They're currently doing a preview of the NBA playoffs through the prism of classic emo albums. (And more Rites of Spring and I Hate Myself as opposed to what people have dubbed emo these days.) They also just interviewed Tom by going to a Nets game w/ him. I can't stress enough how much I like these guys.

Also: True Hoop on ESPN.com. That's the first thing I read every morning, save for work e-mails.

Greggulator, thanks for the recs.

Let me add that I checked out the Holding Court podcast because of the Best Show connection-- and I love it!

Also, I think that you, Greg, are the only candidate with that certain spark of spontaneity that could pull off the protege position.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Chris L on April 12, 2011, 03:04:03 PM
I did not except the actual Darko to outlast Free Darko.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on April 13, 2011, 12:17:03 AM
I feel pretty good about my preseason predictions...

Quote
Miami v. Chicago (East finals)
Lakers v. OK City (West finals)
Miami over Lakers (Finals)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on April 13, 2011, 12:59:44 AM
I think the Lakers might take a hit tonight. I don't have the sound on but Bynum's knee looked like it popped real bad.

Also, Tom talked up Matt Bonner tonight at the end of the show. Have you guys seen these:

http://www.nba.com/spurs/multimedia/fundamentals_of_the_game_with_coach_b.html (http://www.nba.com/spurs/multimedia/fundamentals_of_the_game_with_coach_b.html)

It's this really bizarre (and funny) video series that The Red Rocket made this year. I haven't seen these get passed around so much and I don't know why they haven't. I love them.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on April 13, 2011, 08:30:00 AM
I feel pretty good about my preseason predictions...

Quote
Miami v. Chicago (East finals)
Lakers v. OK City (West finals)
Miami over Lakers (Finals)

If you feel good about that, you should consult a priest. Your basketball instincts may be dead on, but there's a hole in your soul.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on April 13, 2011, 10:51:46 AM
Blake Griffin was actually not terrible on Norm MacDonald's Sports Show last night.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on April 13, 2011, 03:01:59 PM
I feel pretty good about my preseason predictions...

Quote
Miami v. Chicago (East finals)
Lakers v. OK City (West finals)
Miami over Lakers (Finals)

If you feel good about that, you should consult a priest. Your basketball instincts may be dead on, but there's a hole in your soul.

Maybe, but it would be a pretty entertaining playoffs if it plays out this way.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on April 13, 2011, 08:54:32 PM
Lebron makes one error in judgement and he's the villain of the NBA. At least he's a likable guy with some redeeming qualities which is much more than can be said about Kobe. I don't know maybe I'm comparing two evils, but at least I enjoy watching Lebron play.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on April 14, 2011, 09:54:02 AM
Lebron makes one error in judgement and he's the villain of the NBA. At least he's a likable guy with some redeeming qualities which is much more than can be said about Kobe. I don't know maybe I'm comparing two evils, but at least I enjoy watching Lebron play.

LeBron's a self-obsessed ass who would rather play on an AAU all-star team as opposed to have his own team built around him. It's not his fault that the Cavs GM's sucked but he's still took the douche way out. That's Dwayne Wade's team and LeBron took the easy way out.

Kobe's a douche but the Lakers are his team. And even though it may have been a bit too press friendly, Kobe was in the Heat's own gym for a few hours after the Lakers lost to the Heat while LeBron went out to make deals to get an ownership stake in a British soccer team.

I'm not much of a Sixers fan, since they're generally the least fan-friendly organization possible. Tickets are more expensive than Phillies games, which are now next-to-impossible to go to yet the Sixers draw 9,000 a night and their mascot Hip Hop (an x-treme rabbit) looks like he will rape a member of the dance squad. But I am 100000% on the Sixers bandwagon to beat the Heat.

I can even live with the Celtics beating the Heat, and I detest all Boston sports teams, having lived there for three years (BOSTON: The city that everyone thinks is this blue-collar, salt-of-the-earth charming burg where everyone has accents but is actually filled with the worst yuppie rich kids and is also responsible for the career of Ben Affleck.)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on April 14, 2011, 10:38:04 AM
The teams I am rooting for to win the championship, in order:

1) OKC -- Kevin Durant will always rank as one of my favorite players because of his understated Twitter announcement of signing a long-term deal w/ the most unlikely city in the US to have a sports franchise. They have the best fans in the NBA. Russell Westbrook is one of the most exciting players in years. They have a guy named Thabo. They have a very enjoyable cast of role players. And they made the best trade of the year when they rooked Perkins from the Celts.

2) DENVER -- They have an awesome "Major League" kind of feel to them right now. They got rid of a moody, overrated "superstar" and instead became a very deep team that has a lot of fun players. I still think they have more than their fair share of headcases (J.R. Smith, K-Mart, The Birdman) but they have that awesome wildcard feel to them.

3) SIXERS -- Just because they're my de facto hometown team. If they take the Heat to 7 games (and they don't have anyone nearly as good as LeBron/Wade or even Cotton Bosh, but they're a lot deeper), then I can see a rebirth of the NBA in Philly. People who didn't live in Philly during Iverson's big run don't believe me when I tell them that the Sixers OWNED that city for a good two years. Their finals run was just absolutely nuts -- Sixers flags flew all over the city. Philly's a sleeper of a basketball town (five D-1 teams in the city and Villanova's right outside). I can see this getting fun.

4) PORTLAND -- The most snakebitten team but one that has absolutely come together in the face of their adversity. Aldridge is the most underrated player in the league. B-Roy will always be one of my favorite players to watch -- he's like basketball's Greg Maddux in terms of mixing in really weird "offspeed" things to his game. Awesome crowds. That city's a little too hipster-y for my tastes, but I liked the six Portlandia sketches that I saw.

5) SAN ANTONIO -- I should rank the Spurs higher because I think they play the most aesthetically pleasing form of basketball right now. Their Big 3 "play the right way" if you want to throw out an obnoxious cliche. Manu's such an incredibly fun player to watch that, for some reason, a lot of people hate. Matt Bonner makes those hilarious, bizarre "Coach B" videos. DeJuan Blair is somehow only in his second year in the league but seems like he's been playing for eight years. Pop does the best sideline interviews in basketball. But I can't root for Gary Neal -- he was involved at a sex scandal at my alma mater which destroyed the basketball program for a few years. He was a 19-year-old kid who did some horrible things and seems to have grown from it, but it's still a sore spot for me ten years later.

6) CHICAGO -- I don't see how anyone cam make a case against D-Rose as being the MVP of the league. He carried the Bulls to the #1 seed in the east. I now Boozer/Deng/Noah are good but they're not THAT good. They don't win the East if you have Chris Paul, D-Wil, Nash, Rondo or Westbrook running the point. He also seems like a really good guy and he's been a joy to watch all year. I also really love watching Noah play and have since he was on Florida. Just the perfect example of a guy who knows how to win -- he was obviously going to be a great glue guy on a playoff team when he came out yet somehow ended up as the ninth pick in the 2007 draft, two spots behind Yi Jianlian.

7) DALLAS -- Dirk might be the most underrated player of my lifetime. He's one of the greatest scorers the league has ever seen and is the definition of consistent. He'll always take crap for choking against Golden State the year he won MVP and for not winning the finals that year but I'd love to see him get some redemption. He's also so ridiculously bizarre -- his Locke-style "walkabout" after choking away the title; the fact he almost got married to a career con woman until his live-in "guru" ran a background check on her, etc. But I don't care about anyone else on that team.

8) ORLANDO -- Dwight Howard's a great player, although I think he's a bit overrated since blocking shots out of bounds is pretty silly. Stan Van Gundy is a pretty entertaining person. And I'll always love Jameer Nelson since he went to St. Joe's which is pretty much the same exact school as La Salle. I saw him play in person about six times and can't stress enough that he was the absolute best college point guard possible. But aside from that they're not that likable.

9) KNICKS -- I grew up as a Knicks fan (living right outside the city) but my feelings for the New York sports teams I loved as a kid have waned since I moved to the superior Philadelphia region (for the most part) in 1995. Anthony Mason, John Starks and pre-Bulls Oakley rank as three of my childhood heroes -- right up there with "Nature Boy" Ric Flair, "Hot Stuff" Eddie Gilbert, Evan Dando and the Kids in the Hall. I like Amare (and his dabblings with Judaism) and I think Chauncey's terrific. But I am not a fan of Melo at all or his obnoxious wife. And the fact that I am a spurned ex-employee of the MSG family doesn't help things, either. Still, an excited NYC for basketball is a ton of fun and my brother's an obsessive fan, so I can't quite hate them.

10) NEW ORLEANS -- Largely because I love Chris Paul and you can't help but pull for any New Orleans team just because.

11) MEMPHIS -- Somehow sneaking into the playoffs. I had Zach Randolph on a few fantasy teams the past few years so I have that bond with him. But aside from that, I don't really care about this team.

12) INDIANA -- Indiana deserves to have a good basketball team every single year just because it's such a great basketball state and Hoosiers is quite possibly my favorite all-time movie.

13) THE CELTICS -- I detest any Boston sports team for the reasons listed above (Boston's reputation is a fraud) and Kevin Garnett is a bully and they've won a lot. The "Red on Roundball" video series, though, prevents them from being my most hated team. I actually kind of have a hero worship of Red Auerbach in this bizarre way -- he was probably the first "heel" sports figure with the whole pompous cigar smoking routine and, once, even had the governor of Massachusetts light his cigar for him after winning the championship. That's just AWESOME and he managed to hoodwink the entire NBA for decades. But he's dead.

14) THE LAKERS -- They represent everything I hate about life -- annoying celebrity bandwagon fans, etc. I also absolutely detest Phil Jackson and his dippy Zen routine to the core of my soul. There's Pau Gasol and PAU DOUBLE, who I talked about on our podcast. And I have a bizarre relationship with Kobe. Kobe was going to go to La Salle (his dad was the assistant coach when he was in high school) but instead decided to go to the NBA, thus depriving me of a college experience that was truly awesome aside from the fact we had a crappy basketball team. There's the sex abuse thing. There's his general obnoxiousness. But you know what? I respect the hell out of him because he's such an insanely hard worker and will literally do ANYTHING to win a basketball game. He's kind of like Pearl Jam -- I'm not a fan of their music but they're one of the biggest bands of all-time despite hiding away from the media and fighting Ticketmaster and stuff like that.

15) ATLANTA -- Atlanta's just a dreadful sports town that really doesn't deserve to have four franchises. They call their arena the "Highlight Factory" which makes no sense since highlights aren't constantly repeated in the same exact manner.

16) MIAMI -- Duh.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on April 14, 2011, 03:28:02 PM
I wouldn't say I'm rooting for Miami, but I do enjoy watching them play. There are a lot of other teams that would make for a great story and would be just as fun. I hope it's not Miami/Lakers (although I think it will be), but Miami/any other team in the West would be a fun finals to watch.

As far as rooting for? I'd put them in this order.

1) OKC - I'd love to see Durant take the throne of the NBA's elite player
2) CHICAGO - I became a basketball fan because of the Bulls and expansion to MN... but mostly the Bulls.
3) DENVER- Great story.
4) PORTLAND - Same reason as you. So many things have gone wrong for this team and it would be awesome to see them win it all.
5) DALLAS - Just to see what Cuban would do.
6) MEMPHIS - Someday the Wolves will be able to turn the tables too....
7) MIAMI - Exciting basketball.
8) ORLANDO- I don't really have strong feelings about Orlando or the next teams.
9) PHILLY
10) INDIANA
11) ATLANTA
12) SAN ANTONIO- Don't enjoy watching them play, but definitely one of the best run teams in pro sports.
13) KNICKS - Just the opposite of SA, one of the worst run teams in pro sports and it would be different if it were a small market team just making poor decisions but I don't want to see them succeed the way they've tried to win.
14) NEW ORLEANS - This is Chris Paul's team and I'm never a fan of one player being the team. If they win it's still his team, if they lose he bolts. Gross.
13) THE CELTICS - I admire KG's hard work, but even as a Wolf I never really got excited watching him play. Watching him win is even worse.
14) THE LAKERS- Don't care about his work ethic, Kobe is just not a good person. Can't root for that.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on April 14, 2011, 04:20:34 PM
11) MEMPHIS -- Somehow sneaking into the playoffs. I had Zach Randolph on a few fantasy teams the past few years so I have that bond with him. But aside from that, I don't really care about this team.

I don't think it's fair to characterize them as "sneaking" into the playoffs. They finished 10 games over .500 and they'd be the 5th seed in the East. I don't think they'll beat the Spurs but I definitely think they'll give them a fight and maybe even win 2 games.

My rooting interests go something like this

1. Bulls. On twitter, Tom mentioned that the most annoying thing about a potential Bulls run would be all the bandwagoners. I couldn't agree more. Last year, when the Blackhawks won the Cup it was a joke how many people suddenly gave a shit. I don't think it'll be quite that bad since they've made the playoffs more often than not in the last half decade but this is the first time they've been legit contenders since '98.

2. OKC. They're my #2 for all of the reasons that have already been cited.

3./4. Portland/Denver. Both would be great stories. Denver has become a very entertaining offensive team. I didn't watch them much before the trade, but I've somehow caught a bunch of Nuggets games over the last 2 months and enjoyed watching them, especially the OKC games. It's too bad they're playing each other in the 1st round, though it should be a fun series.

5. Sixers. If they play the Bulls in round 2, I'd actually be pretty worried. They're a matchup nightmare. Plus it just seems right when Philly and New York have good teams.

6. Spurs. Far less boring than past Spurs teams.

Indifferent
Hornets/Knicks/Memphis/Mavs/Pacers/Magic

Dislike
13. Hawks. I don't like them because I've seen them just roll over and die, even at home, way too many times the last few years. Al Horford deserves better. I think they have the ability to beat Orlando, but I don't think they even care.
14. Celtics. Fuck Rondo.
15. Lakers. Even though I'm not a Phil hater.
16. Heat. I'm still terrified that they're going to have some storybook ending to this season.

First Round predictions
Bulls 4-1
Heat 4-1
Magic 4-2
Celtics 4-2
Spurs 4-2
Lakers 4-0
Blazers 4-2
OKC 4-3
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on April 15, 2011, 02:15:51 AM
The only way I'd be happy with the Lakers are in the finals is if the Bulls are there too and the Bulls win. I don't dislike Phil Jackson. I think he's a good guy, has a lot of good quotes and isn't afraid to say what needs to be said. But, I really wish at one point in his career he would have taken on a real challenge. You can't hate him for that though because there aren't many people who wouldn't have taken the same exact road. You just wonder how good he really was and what he could have done with a team that never got it done. Would he have been able to lead the Mavs or the Suns to multiple titles? I don't expect a coach of his caliber to take on a rebuilding project but I really wish he would have given a team that was close but not quite there a shot.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on April 16, 2011, 03:59:32 PM
Wow, the Bulls had no business winning that game. Rose's and-1 at the end was just plain ridiculous.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on April 18, 2011, 01:30:29 AM
OKC/Denver is going to RULE. Those two teams match up really well. OKC has its two offensive stars -- both quickly becoming "Best of Their Generation" type players -- and a bunch of great roleplayers. Denver's one of the most versatile teams ever where every part works perfectly with the others. They're the new Detroit Pistons but with really likable players and really fun to watch, as opposed to painful.

I really want this to go seven games.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Pregnant Pause on April 18, 2011, 08:01:15 AM
Chris Paul's performance yesterday was amazing.  It seemed as if New Orleans had no shot at scoring if he wasn't directly involved in the play. 
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: nec13 on April 18, 2011, 12:55:18 PM
I had a bad feeling that the Celtics would come back and defeat the Knicks. I don't see how the Knicks can recover from such a deflating loss. The series will be over in 5 games max.

It also didn't help that Carmelo Anthony chose the worst time to play one of his worst games.

 :(
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on April 18, 2011, 12:59:36 PM
I had a bad feeling that the Celtics would come back and defeat the Knicks. I don't see how the Knicks can recover from such a deflating loss. The series will be over in 5 games max.

It also didn't help that Carmelo Anthony chose the worst time to play one of his worst games.

 :(

Much like Derek Jeter, there's never a bad time for Carmelo Anthony to play one of his worse games.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on April 20, 2011, 03:30:52 PM
I know we were all listening to The Best Show last night but that Knicks game was awesome last night. I'm not a Melo fan by any means but he really brought it last night (save for his dumbass play at the end where he didn't foul Delonte). The Celtics are just a better team -- they've got guys who can make plays all over the court whereas the Knicks have Jared Jeffries.

I still think the Perk trade is going to kill them. Big Baby has been pretty brutal getting those minutes and I wouldn't count on either Shaq or Jermaine to put on their warm-up suits without pulling a hamstring at this point.

I'm on vacation in Vermont staying with a vegan who hasn't had a television in years. I'm trying to think of a way I can watch OKC/Denver tonight. If anyone has any suggestions on what to do in the Norwich/White River Junction/Durham, NH area PLEASE give me some.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on April 20, 2011, 10:22:39 PM
Don't you think if the Knicks had all their players they'd be up 2-0? I hate the Knicks especially now that they have Carmelo, but it seems to me that they would have won those games if healthy.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: senorcorazon on April 21, 2011, 08:04:47 AM
The Celtics are just a better team -- they've got guys who can make plays all over the court whereas the Knicks have Jared Jeffries.

The Knicks don't know how to win games, by which I mean the nonsense that happens at the end of playoff basketball games. I'm looking at you, KG, with the tripping and the shoving. The conclusion of playoff games is either the fluid glory of Robert Horry sinking an outside shot, or the filthy thuggery of Robert Horry shoving people at the very end. The Knicks can't do either of those correctly.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on April 21, 2011, 10:35:41 AM
The same can also clearly be said of the Pacers. All of them looked absolutely terrified of shooting in the last few minutes of Games 1 & 2.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on April 21, 2011, 04:39:46 PM
If the Knicks had a healthy Chauncey and a healthy Amare, they'd be a lot more competitive. But they had all of those guys healthy for Game 1 (until Chauncey got hurt) and lost.

The Knicks don't have anywhere close to the depth the Celts have. Landry Fields is a nice roleplaying rookie but that's about it. Tony Douglas is capable of knocking down a shot or two but aside from that, he can't give you much. Rodney Turiaf plays with a lot of energy and is clearly the most entertaining player while on the bench in the league, but he's not much more than that. Jared Jeffries is getting big minutes, and he's pretty much shot.

It's pretty spectacular that the Knicks have played the Celts as tight as they have. It's a credit to Mike D'Antoni and to the team. But they're playing as well as they possibly can. The only way that they pull the series out is if, somehow overnight, they figure out  a way to get both Melo and Amare having crazy games at the same time, and that's going to be really hard to do since they both pound the ball a lot (Melo more than Amare) before making a move. Compare that to the Celts, where Rondo and PP and Ray and KG play together pretty seamlessly and the role players all know how to show up.

I think the Knicks are going to be a lot better next season but this isn't their year.

I didn't see any OKC last night but that team is really well-equipped to go on a run. If JR Smith's comments are to be believed, Denver's completely folded the tents -- a trademark of a George Karl team. The OKC team seems to have really upped it to another level lately and KD could very well be the best player alive at the current moment, with Russell Westbrook playing out of his mind, as well.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: gravy boat on April 26, 2011, 11:27:44 AM
I have recently scrambled up the side of the Memphis bandwagon and I am enjoying the ride.  I always liked Zach Randolph and it's good to see him on a winning team.  This team can go deep. 

Darrel Arthur had the sequence of the playoffs last night -- blocked shot on D followed by a hustle move to get to the alley oop.  http://dimemag.com/2011/04/darrell-arthur-swats-tony-parker-then-crushes-on-tiago-splitter/ (http://dimemag.com/2011/04/darrell-arthur-swats-tony-parker-then-crushes-on-tiago-splitter/)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: senorcorazon on April 26, 2011, 08:08:30 PM
Thank god for the Grizzlies and Hornets and Hawks for shaking up the postseason. Amazing so far. How much fun would a Grizzlies-Thunder series be?!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Andy on April 28, 2011, 12:19:50 AM
Kevin durant is one of the best things to happen to OKC in a long time. A great player and ambassador for the city.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on April 28, 2011, 03:34:17 AM
If he becomes the face of the league, I hope he stays as humble as he is now but develops a little bit of a personality as well. I can see the media wearing him down.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: TheeChrisDee on April 28, 2011, 09:04:13 AM
Thank god for the Grizzlies and Hornets and Hawks for shaking up the postseason. Amazing so far. How much fun would a Grizzlies-Thunder series be?!

I'm not sure how Memphis recovers from that game last night.  Spurs are taking that series.

I think the Thunder need to have a series against the Spurs to prove their mettle
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Pregnant Pause on April 30, 2011, 11:28:37 AM
Playoffs have been great so far, but it is a little frustrating that all the cool likable teams keep bumping up against each other.  First OKC has to play Denver, and now Memphis, while we're treated to the two way tie for last Celts-Miami in the East.  Chicago vs anyone from the West would be such a great finals.

Also, as one of like 9 sixers fans, I was quietly impressed with their play.  Even though they lost, I think Andre Iguodala had his best game I can remember in game 5.  Evan Turner didn't back down the whole series.  If they could somehow land themselves a competent big man, they could be a mid level contender. 
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: TheeChrisDee on April 30, 2011, 12:55:35 PM
as a Celtics fan I was much more worried about facing the 76ers in the first round. The Sixers defensive matchups vs the C's scared me.

I thought they would make it a long series, and thought maybe The Knicks had an outside shot of upsetting the Heat.

Grizz/Thunder should start off fun, but I think the Thunder take care of business early.

I'm picking the Mavs to take down the Lakers (ok I'm hoping).

Bulls roll over the Hawks, who cares about the regular season troubles the Bulls had with ATL.

Celtics/Heat could go either way.  I have no prediction.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on May 01, 2011, 03:31:04 PM
Bulls roll over the Hawks, who cares about the regular season troubles the Bulls had with ATL.

I assume you're joking. The Bulls lost by 3 the first time they played in early March. Noah was still getting healthy and Rose had a lousy game. The 2 times they played later in March the Bulls won by 18 in Chicago and 33 in Atlanta.

Round 2 predictions:
I would've said Thunder in 6, but with Memphis winning game 1, I say Thunder in 7.
Lakers over Mavs in 7.
I'm actually expecting the Bulls to have an easier time with the Hawks than the Pacers. Bulls in 5.
I really have no idea about Heat-Celtics. I guess I'd take the Heat in 7, but if Rondo plays like he did in Round 1, I could see Boston winning. I'd also much rather have the Bulls play the Celtics in the Conference Finals.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: TheeChrisDee on May 02, 2011, 10:23:33 PM
my bad, i thought the hawks beat 'em twice this year.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on May 03, 2011, 10:17:32 AM
my bad, i thought the hawks beat 'em twice this year.

Clearly you were just predicting the game last night. The Bulls looked flat for most of the first quarter. It was the 3rd playoff game I've been to at the United Center over the last 3 years and the crowd was just dead (amazing the change in the expectations for an 8 seed vs. a 1), except for a little stretch when they took the lead in the 3rd and looked like they were going to pull away. Josh Smith tried to shoot the Hawks out of the game for a while, but then Johnson and Crawford couldn't miss in the 2nd half and that was that. It was bizarre to see Rose not attempt a single free throw the entire game and I really don't think the Bulls can win if he's not getting to the line because the offense just isn't good enough without the cushion of those free shots. They also can't spot the Hawks a big lead and then make a comeback at the end of the game like against the Pacers. The Hawks have several guys that not only aren't afraid to shoot at the end of the game, they're actually capable of making those shots. I still think the Bulls will take the series, probably in 6, but it was not a good way to start the series. Not to mention Rose re-tweeking his ankle in the closing seconds.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on May 03, 2011, 11:58:53 AM
Mavs/Lakers has a TON of potential for awesomeness. The commentators were spot-on last night: Two of the best finishers in the game w/ Kobe and Dirk going at it.

I can get behind a big Mavs run to the finals, even if it's over OKC. Dirk has managed to become the most underrated player of his generation. His reputation was ruined the year the Mavs choked against GSW -- completely ridiculous that his star fell that quickly considering Kobe missed the playoffs one year and didn't get any demotion in status. He's easily the best international player of all-time (I count Hakeem as an American) and, since he entered the league, one of its five best players in one of the greatest eras in terms of individual talent.

J-Kidd is also really slept on. I think he's totally taken for granted. He essentially reinvented the point guard position with his constant triple-double potential. He's not as great as he once was but is still pretty effective and, despite him not being much of a shooter, I'll always trust him in a big spot.

I also love JJ Barea. The "sparkplug off the bench from a small college" template has been a long favorite of mine. He's so friggin' feisty on the court. He has JR Smith syndrome of being able to shoot a team out of a game, but if he's on he's just such a great weapon.

As far as the Bulls: They go as far as Derrick Rose takes them. The only other guy who can really create his own shot is Luol Deng, who is decent but isn't someone I'd count on to take over a game. The Bulls are all defense and need to shut folks down to win. They couldn't do that last night. They nearly crapped the bed against a pretty bad Indiana team. I hope they step up because they're the only likable team in the east left.

KD also talked about the Osama stuff. He was living in DC and saw the wreckage from the Pentagon. He said that he was really happy that we got Osama but, as a Christian, didn't believe in celebrating someone's death. Religion and sports is so trite at this point but I 100% believe that KD is a genuine, kind kid with a heart of gold.

These games this year could not possibly be better.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on May 04, 2011, 04:16:36 PM
Have you ever seen Kobe this down on himself? I've never seen one shred of humility from him and all of the sudden he's acting like he's the worst player in the game.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: senorcorazon on May 05, 2011, 07:05:35 AM
Have you ever seen Kobe this down on himself? I've never seen one shred of humility from him and all of the sudden he's acting like he's the worst player in the game.

Give him a day, he'll be back to complaining about his teammates soon enough.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Charles Arrington on May 09, 2011, 08:27:35 PM
Dirk and the Mavs swept the Lakers.
even though this is a great accomplishment, they need to reach the finals.... and win.

with a win, i can see Dirk elevated to all-time great.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on May 09, 2011, 11:25:26 PM
I think he was already a hall of fame lock, but a championship will definitely elevate him to get him in the conversation with Duncan and Garnett. they are different players with different game styles but it's always been between those three with Dirk a few steps down the ladder because of his playoff woes. I still think he's below those two, Garnett was considered a greatest player ever before his championship.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on May 09, 2011, 11:44:09 PM
I think *THE* story of the playoffs has been the "What Do We Think About Dirk Now" storyline. The Mavs were a secretly great team all season long. They have a "We should have seen this coming" vibe to them -- as opposed to Memphis, which is a "Where the hell did these guys come from" thing.

Dirk is AWESOME. Period. He has been since his second season in the league. He's such a unique player, too. The only person who plays anything like Dirk is KD. I love KD like he's my child but I think there's a valid argument to be made that Dirk is just as good as KD. And also that Dirk has done this for about a dozen years and is somehow now better than he was when he was MVP.

Dirk's rep took such a hit because Dallas lost the finals followed by them flaming out the next year against Golden State with him as MVP. That's such a crock -- there are a ton of players that people claim as great (I'm looking at you, 'Melo) who can't touch Dirk's career.

I'm really happy for Dirk -- especially since he's brought so much entertainment in my life with having a weird guru and nearly marrying a woman with multiple identities and bench warrants.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Chris L on May 10, 2011, 01:06:44 AM
So it looks like we're  headed for a Dallas/Miami finals rematch? Never thought I'd want to see that but I will be very interested indeed.

The smug certainty with which I've heard a lot people close the door on Dirk ever winning a championship has always grated on me.  I'd love to see Dirk prove those people wrong more than I dread having to look at Mark Cuban during another finals series.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: senorcorazon on May 10, 2011, 07:59:45 AM
This line from the Times about Bosh celebrating during the game last night sums it up:
"He rose to the rim, tapped the ball home, then landed and unleashed a series of primal screams."
I'm not going to bother to comment.

But please, let us be spared a Heat-Mavs finals. May the Bulls grow a sense of consistency, or may the Hawks grow an inside presence.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on May 10, 2011, 08:38:23 AM
I tried and I tried and I tried but I HAD to go to sleep right when regulation ended last night. Heck of a game until that point that became an all-time classic. Sigh.

I would absolutely murder Russell Westbrook if I played with him. He's one of the biggest ballhogs in recent memory. I can't remember him pulling this stuff last year or even during this season, save for when KD was out in the beginning of the year. What the hell is wrong with him and Brooks for letting him do this? YOU HAVE A GUY WHO MIGHT BECOME THE GREATEST SCORER OF THE MODERN ERA ON YOUR TEAM WHO IS COMPLETELY UNGUARDABLE! GET HIM THE BALL!

I'd imagine Dirk and KD are going to have to guard each other if they meet next round. That's going to be insanely entertaining.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: gravy boat on May 10, 2011, 10:35:21 AM
The OKC-Memphis game was awesome last night. Three OTs! I'm pulling for Memphis but last night felt like the swing game of the series.  Both teams, especially OKC, showed a lot of heart.   Two things really hurt the Grizz:  Mayo fouling out and Arthur playing poorly.

I would not be so hard on Westbrook--he made some key shots and he has the better offensive matchup.  He can get past Conley at will.  But yeah, long-term Durant and Westbrook should not be on the same team.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on May 10, 2011, 10:48:31 AM
I could guard Russell Westbrook and KD could be guarded by Ron Artest AND Ben Wallace AND Gary Payton in all of their primes and KD would still have the better matchup.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: BMin on May 10, 2011, 01:05:39 PM
Both games were a lot of fun to watch last night, but the reason there was so much overtime was the lack of any good plays drawn up for the final possessions. It was just a whole lot of one on fives and the luckiest moment of Greivis Vazquez's life. The Celtics at least tried to run a play, but it looked like Garnett and Allen knocked each other out of it.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on May 10, 2011, 04:20:57 PM
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/category/sports/mike-francesa/# (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/category/sports/mike-francesa/#)

Go to the interview with Chris Herren. It's superb.

Chris Herren just wrote a memoir (along with the help of Bill Reynolds) about his life as a pro basketball player and junkie. Francesa interviews him and it's remarkably candid and gripping. He talks about copping drugs at a train station in Italy and quitting the team because he couldn't score at training camp.

Bill Reynolds wrote a book called "Fall River Dreams" that centers around basketball in Fall River, Mass. Chris Herren's the central character in the book -- he's an All-American in the center of a struggling city that's completely obsessed with basketball. It's one of my favorite books ever written.

Herren got booted from Boston College after a few drug tests, then went to Fresno State under Jerry Tarkanian on a team that had a bunch of players get arrested after robbing someone at an ATM machine with a samurai sword. He then had a brief run in the NBA until he got hooked on Oxy. He bounced around Europe and Asia before he hit absolute rock bottom and OD'd back in his hometown.

This is the next book on my Kindle list. Can't wait.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on May 16, 2011, 12:07:26 PM
I'm cautiously optimistic that the Bulls can take this series. Taj dunking through Wade was the best thing I saw last night, except maybe that putback dunk he had with 30 sec. left.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on May 17, 2011, 01:08:41 AM
I could not be more pumped for OKC/Dallas. I love both those teams so much. There are so many awesome sub-plots -- Dirk and Jason Kidd's probable last chance at winning a title, KD's ascent to the throne, Will Russell Get It?, etc. and all within a 3.5 hour drive down an interstate!

I didn't get a chance to see any of Game 1 on Sunday night since I was in the car. But I loved what the Bulls threw at the Heat -- got the Heat playing 1 on 5 in the second half and didn't turn the ball over. I have never rooted for a 4-0 sweep more than I am in that season.

Also: The Chris Herren book is fantastic. The dude used to have to wait for sketchball drug dealers to show up outside of Boston's arena to give him Oxy which he needed to play. It's also great if you read "Fall River Dreams" before this, since it's sort of a prequel. Herren was the main character in that book when he was a kid. You can see how damaged he was from living under a microscope from the time he was born and how the gift he had of being a fantastic basketball player was also his biggest tragedy since that was really all he had.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on May 17, 2011, 02:43:21 AM
I could not be more pumped for OKC/Dallas. I love both those teams so much. There are so many awesome sub-plots -- Dirk and Jason Kidd's probable last chance at winning a title, KD's ascent to the throne, Will Russell Get It?, etc. and all within a 3.5 hour drive down an interstate!

I didn't get a chance to see any of Game 1 on Sunday night since I was in the car. But I loved what the Bulls threw at the Heat -- got the Heat playing 1 on 5 in the second half and didn't turn the ball over. I have never rooted for a 4-0 sweep more than I am in that season.


I don't want the sweep because I want a good finals. I have a feeling the West is going to go the full 7.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on May 18, 2011, 11:06:57 AM
I was keeping an eye on the game while listening last night. This series already rules. Dirk's the man and so is KD.

If OKC can get any consistency from Westbrook and Harden, this is going to Game 7. I think Dallas is taking it because a lot of their roleplayers (Kidd, Terry, Peja) have been in these spots before, and JJ Barea's having one of the most absurd "Where did this guy come from?" playoff runs in recent memory.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: senorcorazon on May 20, 2011, 07:36:34 AM
I saw this crappy clickbait slideshow before the series started, and it's actually been entirely accurate thusfar:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/701441-12-bold-predictions-for-the-mavs-thunder-series/ (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/701441-12-bold-predictions-for-the-mavs-thunder-series/)

Sure, none of these are insane but I find it funny that it's been so close.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on May 20, 2011, 10:56:19 AM
Last night's game was the most intriguing game in years. I think it might be the most important game for the next few years of basketball.

There is absolutely no denying Russell Westbrook's talent. He's the most athletic point guard in basketball right now -- which is crazy when you consider that there's Derrick Rose and Deron Williams and Rajon Rando out there (not counting Chris Paul because of his injuries, but he's obviously terrific).

But as great as Russ is, he's not there yet. So much has been made about his balljocking the past few weeks and the stuff w/ him and KD.

Brooks rolled the dice last night w/ using Maynor (who is a fantastic backup PG and is on the path to be the best since Bobby Jackson) for the entire fourth quarter. KD's remarks were so telling -- "Five guys playing as one."

How Russ handles his benching is SO important. KD's living up to his -- two scoring titles in a row and has had a bunch of awesome playoff games. If R-West lives up his, he could be one of the two best PGs in basketball. If the benching taught him a lesson in game management, I think that's the beginning of one of the best tandems in basketball history and OKC -- now with a bench that looks devastating -- is going to become at least what the Spurs/Celts/Lakers were the last ten years, if not better. But if he sulks and tears the team apart, they're not going to get to where we all want them to be.

I haven't been more pumped for a game during the playoffs like I am for Game 3. No one -- not even the Big 3 on the Heat -- has been under a microscope like Russ is right now. Hopefully it turns into the spotlight.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: BMin on May 20, 2011, 11:02:54 AM
Last night's game was the most intriguing game in years. I think it might be the most important game for the next few years of basketball.

There is absolutely no denying Russell Westbrook's talent. He's the most athletic point guard in basketball right now -- which is crazy when you consider that there's Derrick Rose and Deron Williams and Rajon Rando out there (not counting Chris Paul because of his injuries, but he's obviously terrific).

But as great as Russ is, he's not there yet. So much has been made about his balljocking the past few weeks and the stuff w/ him and KD.

Brooks rolled the dice last night w/ using Maynor (who is a fantastic backup PG and is on the path to be the best since Bobby Jackson) for the entire fourth quarter. KD's remarks were so telling -- "Five guys playing as one."

How Russ handles his benching is SO important. KD's living up to his -- two scoring titles in a row and has had a bunch of awesome playoff games. If R-West lives up his, he could be one of the two best PGs in basketball. If the benching taught him a lesson in game management, I think that's the beginning of one of the best tandems in basketball history and OKC -- now with a bench that looks devastating -- is going to become at least what the Spurs/Celts/Lakers were the last ten years, if not better. But if he sulks and tears the team apart, they're not going to get to where we all want them to be.

I haven't been more pumped for a game during the playoffs like I am for Game 3. No one -- not even the Big 3 on the Heat -- has been under a microscope like Russ is right now. Hopefully it turns into the spotlight.

Do you think that Westbrook might be better off playing the 2?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on May 20, 2011, 11:36:34 AM
Last night's game was the most intriguing game in years. I think it might be the most important game for the next few years of basketball.

There is absolutely no denying Russell Westbrook's talent. He's the most athletic point guard in basketball right now -- which is crazy when you consider that there's Derrick Rose and Deron Williams and Rajon Rando out there (not counting Chris Paul because of his injuries, but he's obviously terrific).

But as great as Russ is, he's not there yet. So much has been made about his balljocking the past few weeks and the stuff w/ him and KD.

Brooks rolled the dice last night w/ using Maynor (who is a fantastic backup PG and is on the path to be the best since Bobby Jackson) for the entire fourth quarter. KD's remarks were so telling -- "Five guys playing as one."

How Russ handles his benching is SO important. KD's living up to his -- two scoring titles in a row and has had a bunch of awesome playoff games. If R-West lives up his, he could be one of the two best PGs in basketball. If the benching taught him a lesson in game management, I think that's the beginning of one of the best tandems in basketball history and OKC -- now with a bench that looks devastating -- is going to become at least what the Spurs/Celts/Lakers were the last ten years, if not better. But if he sulks and tears the team apart, they're not going to get to where we all want them to be.

I haven't been more pumped for a game during the playoffs like I am for Game 3. No one -- not even the Big 3 on the Heat -- has been under a microscope like Russ is right now. Hopefully it turns into the spotlight.

Do you think that Westbrook might be better off playing the 2?

No.

He was second team All-NBA even WITH his problems. He has such an athleticism advantage that, if he maximizes that by figuring out the difference between playing basketball and being a point guard, he's an all-time great. If you move him to a two, he loses that advantage -- he's listed at 6'3", which is dubious, so he'd have to guard guys who have size over him. He also needs the ball to create his own shot too much to play at 2.

And then, on top of it, you'd have to get a point guard. Eric Maynor's a good backup but he's not a starting PG on a championship level team. OKC's probably the most prudent team in cap management/roster building in the NBA. There's no way they'd waste cap money on a new PG when they have a guy who is so close to being amazing.

I think OKC could run Maynor and Westbrook at the same time for a few stretches in games, though, and am surprised that they don't.

Russ has had times during the playoffs where he got it -- see Game 7 against Memphis, where he had a triple double but deferred to KD. If he consistently has those games, then we're talking about a dynasty. And, not just that, but we're talking about the most likable dynasty in NBA history.

So much is hanging on Russ' response.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on May 20, 2011, 12:31:59 PM
I'm loving the contrast in the two series. I hope they both go 7.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: BMin on May 20, 2011, 03:28:28 PM
I ask only because switching Westbrook to the 2 works great in 2K11, but I keep having to be reminded that video games don't work like real life. (Eats a mushroom and a flower, waits to grow to double size and spit fireballs)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: thecramedog on May 20, 2011, 11:11:38 PM

I think OKC could run Maynor and Westbrook at the same time for a few stretches in games, though, and am surprised that they don't.

Russ has had times during the playoffs where he got it -- see Game 7 against Memphis, where he had a triple double but deferred to KD. If he consistently has those games, then we're talking about a dynasty. And, not just that, but we're talking about the most likable dynasty in NBA history.

So much is hanging on Russ' response.



Totally agree with this.  Westbrook can control a game more than he realizes probably.  He just needs more and more reps.  More games under his belt.  Maynor is coming along nicely and those two running together would be nice when Kevin needs a blow.  I think OKC has a very good chance to be a dynasty.  They've gotten the right talent and the front office seems crafty. 

Do you think Ainge regrets the trade?




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Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Key Loser on May 26, 2011, 09:40:11 AM
Well, I guess this is it for the Thunder. Looks like the Bulls may suffer the same fate tonight. I guess I'll have to throw my support behind the Mavs now.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on May 26, 2011, 10:49:59 AM
Well, I guess this is it for the Thunder. Looks like the Bulls may suffer the same fate tonight. I guess I'll have to throw my support behind the Mavs now.

I'm hoping the Bulls can at least pull out a win tonight. They've had too good of a year to turf out in 5. I'm just glad that I won't have to feel bad about hoping Dallas wins the Finals like I would have if the Lakers had made it.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: buffcoat on June 02, 2011, 11:46:08 PM
Dirk!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on June 03, 2011, 12:15:08 AM
Dirk!

Unreal. I absolutely love the Mavs.

I was starting to think they had something going when LeBron dribbled out the shot clock and hoisted a really crappy three after shaking off picks and not even looking at guys cutting to get open.

Carlisle absolutely OWNED Spo down the stretch by going to the Shooter from Hoosiers playbook and running the Picket Fence non-stop.

Chris Bosh is pretty much worthless. I hate him more than anyone else on that stupid team. ANY time he makes a good play he has to make some primal scream. Seriously, dude?

I know every NBA player/team does this, but the Heat REALLY seem to whine more than anyone else in recent history. Every single time LBJ or Wade take a shot, they look to the ref for a call. Even on that shot at the Buzzer, Wade took a dive and was looking to the ref.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on June 03, 2011, 02:23:26 AM
Chris Bosh seems like a really good guy, but I'm not a fan of him as a basketball player. He doesn't do anything great, and his deficiencies are easy to spot. If they would have brought in a couple of role players instead of Bosh I think Miami could have broken the Bulls record. That said, I'm still a fan of watching Miami play. I'm not a fan of how they put the team together, I always like to see players stay with the team that drafted them, but they're fun to watch. I don't think there is a guy on Miami that you can hate for just being a bad human being. I hope Dallas wins it though, I'd like to see Dirk and Kidd win a title. Maybe Corey Brewer will give a shout out to Minny if he wins it all.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: senorcorazon on June 03, 2011, 07:49:27 AM
Chris Bosh looks like a catfish or Jar Jar Binks. That's the best I can say. That, and Tyson Chandler can't defend him to save his life.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on June 03, 2011, 02:38:40 PM
Chris Bosh is pretty much worthless. I hate him more than anyone else on that stupid team. ANY time he makes a good play he has to make some primal scream. Seriously, dude?

Even worse is when he gets his dumb mouthguard involved.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: gravy boat on June 10, 2011, 12:19:13 PM
Greggulator--
You've been awfully quiet. What happens Sunday?

Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on June 10, 2011, 03:06:17 PM
I've been away for work and now dealing with the worst computer virus of all-time! (That Windows Recovery 7 thing.)

Anyways, last night was the most satisfying non-Phillies related sports victory I've felt in years. It might be my favorite since my practically hometown Seton Hall Pirates made it to the championship game when I was a mere boy.

As far as what happens -- the whole series has become what looks like will end up defining LeBron's career. There have been SO many awesome stories during what's clearly been the best playoffs ever -- the Lakers/Spurs/Celts falling by the wayside, Memphis becoming a legitimate contender, OKC's amazing run and everything surrounding Westbrook and KD, Carmelo's huge game against the Celts and a bunch I know I'm forgetting. 

The two big ones have been The Great Nowitzki Resurgence and LeBron Running From the Spotlight.

I almost -- ALMOST -- feel bad watching him. Last night, right at the beginning of the game, I said to the guy I was sitting next to at the bar (in Salt Lake, which is a BASKETBALL TOWN!) that he had the same look in his face that John Starks had in the Winning Time documentary, in which he wanted absolutely nothing to do with that moment.

He spent about 95% of the game on offense making the initial pass during the offensive set and then standing back near half court and watching as the rest of the team actually ran an offense, or he'd get the ball in the post and wasn't even looking to split the double -- and that's when Wade was in the back enduring the worst injury in sports history. He just cowardly shrunk away from the moment, which explains The Decision -- it's not that he thought the Cavs weren't good enough for him to take a team to the top, but he doesn't WANT to be the guy to take a team to the top.

But what's scary -- even while running away from the throne, LeBron still managed to put up a triple double and had a bunch of good defensive stops (aside from Jason Terry jacking that absurd three right in his grill). He's just that supremely talented that, even when he's cowardly, he can still put up stats.

D-Wade is clearly the best player on that team. It's not even close. D-Wade has that True Superstar bug where, when all the lights are on (and not Conference Final lights, like LBJ) him, he plays his absolute best, which is some of the best basketball ever played.

It's pretty clear that D-Wade is the best player on the Heat. When the ultimate spotlight is on (and not Conference Finals spotlight), he plays the absolute best basketball he can possibly play, which is some of the best basketball EVER played. And Bosh has even showed up the past few games. But aside from a few moments from Chalmers and Haslem, that Heat team sucks.

If LBJ grows a pair the next two days, the Heat win. If he continues to run away, they lose. Dirk has put on an absolute clinic this whole playoffs and the Mavs are much deeper than the Heat. But his second best teammate (I don't even know who that would be) is nowhere near LBJ.

It's all on LeBron, which is the most fitting end to what's probably the most entertaining NBA season of all-time.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on June 10, 2011, 06:29:53 PM
A Vanderbilt basketball player that I follow on Twitter re-tweeted the line "Don't ask Lebron for change for a dollar, he will only give you 3 quarters."
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: buffcoat on June 10, 2011, 09:46:30 PM
The making fun of Dirk thing, in hindsight, must seem foolish.  It should have seemed foolish in foresight.


I came away from it with a lower opinion of Dwyane Wade.  No change in my opinion of LeBron James (which is that he's callow more than anything else).
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on June 12, 2011, 11:05:19 PM
MAVS WIN!!!!

This is one of the most satisfying sports victories ever. It really does go to show that working hard and having guts can triumph over a spoiled brat looking to take the easy way out.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Kim Kelly on June 12, 2011, 11:17:14 PM
Boo.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Chris L on June 12, 2011, 11:18:37 PM
Boo.

You've captured the level of feeling in Miami tonight almost exactly.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Tom Scharpling on June 13, 2011, 03:03:58 AM
So great. Miami and all of its horrible sports fans can eat it tonight. You had your party last July so you don't get one this June, jerks.

Really glad to see Kidd get his ring after taking his lumps for the last 17 years.

And the Miami Heat couldn't have come off jerkier if Vince McMahon was scripting the Finals. The pointless goofing on Dirk for being sick - and he wasn't limping around making a spectacle of it the way the fucking Heat did WHEN THEY GOT OUT OF THE SECOND ROUND - made no sense. Has any team in the Finals allowed the media spotlight that they courted - I don't remember a gun being held to LeBron's head when he announced The Decision or their ridiculous July victory party - kept following them for some reason.

And to the Heat fans who are convinced this is nothing more than a speed bump in the path of the inevitable multiple championships, just remember the 1995 Orlando Magic, who were destined to win multiple championships. One Finals flameout plus injuries and backbiting added up to a whole lot of nothing.

Tom.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Pregnant Pause on June 13, 2011, 08:11:46 AM
Last night was so great.  I cannot imagine how insufferable the Heat would have been if they won, shoving it in everyone's faces. 
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on June 13, 2011, 10:15:54 AM
"The whole world was against us! We've been the underdog all season, blahblahblah" -- The Heat, collectively, in a revisionist history.

Some more thoughts:

1) It's kind of crazy that the Miami player I now respect the most is Chris Bosh. He bothered to show up the past few games and played with a lot of guts, which he didn't do at all during the regular season. He also didn't get involved in Coughgate AND subtly called out LeBron after his stinker. And he sat in that press conference by himself and took questions, unlike LBJ and Wade who sat next to each other in order to try and handle the press. I also like that he cried after the game -- this game and series MEANT something to him and he wasn't afraid to show it, unlike LeBron and Wade. I've come to think that he really did come to Miami to win titles -- he knew he was Option #3 and that he was lucky to make the playoffs in a really crummy Toronto team -- whereas LBJ wanted a shortcut and to promote parties on South Beach.

2) I also really respect Mark Cuban. I don't hate him as much as the rest of the world does. The guy had a regular background, went to a state school, invented something early on in the web's development, made a shitload of money and used it to buy a moribund franchise and turned it into one of the best in the NBA -- I can respect a truly self-made man who earned his money and used it to live out a dream. He was really obnoxious when he came into the league, but he actually had some positive impact by putting a spotlight on the refs and holding them to accountability. And he learned this year to not make the game about himself -- he shut up the whole playoffs. And then he brought out the original owner of the team to hold up the trophy first, and then didn't say much when he had a microphone in his face. He learned that humility is a good thing and that helped the Mavs karma.

3) LeBron somehow managed to come out of this even more of a dickhead with his whole "Those people have to go back to their lives and their problems" spiel.

I know that he won't ever read this. But, LeBron, I know I was not born with the freak genetic coding to be 6'9" and the ability to move with the grace of a gymnast. In fact, my genetic coding prevented me from even having the ability to get off the bench for my 8th grade team (albeit I should have gotten minutes of Joey LaRice, since I had a better outside shot). And it's really great that you can make hundreds of millions of dollars playing what you do.

But you know what? My life is perfectly fine. Sure, I have problems -- I have to somehow find a way to pay my mortgage every month while also considering how to afford a vacation and a new car and also start putting money into a 401K, all while working in journalism which is the absolute worst industry in our current economy in terms of stability.

But you know what, dickhead? I have been blessed with a lot of gifts that aren't valued as much in the American marketplace compared to yours, but I'm still lucky enough to be good at what I choose to do for a career and for a hobby. And if at the end of the day I can honestly say that I used my "talents" to my fullest, and that I can sometimes use them to help out other people, then I can go to sleep pretty comfortably.

I might not sleep on a bed of money like you do. But you have to go to sleep every night for the rest of the summer knowing Dirk Nowitzki schooled your ass.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: chuck from cedar rapids on June 13, 2011, 11:02:32 AM
Great game! So happy to see the Mavs get the win. Dirk and Jason Kidd deserve these rings. I'm also glad Brian Cardinal won a ring and was finally able to get the critics off his back. There isn't much light I can shed on LeBron's play but this series showed his immaturity and lack of confidence. He doesn't have that killer instinct to take control of a game.

Chris Bosh looks like a dinosaur. The best tweet I say all night: ""clever girl" - jurassic park game warden as two chris boshes emerge from the foliage, weeping"

Greggulator: I'm listening to your podcast and all the Grantland hate. I must admit, my hatred isn't materializing like I had hoped. Bill Simmons is probably the worst writer on the crew (his most recent hockey column was awful) but a lot of it has proven to be interesting. Biggest surprise: Carles of HRO writing a column.

Here's a pretty great takedown of Bill Simmons: http://www.mrdestructo.com/2011/05/bill-simmons-and-grantland.html (http://www.mrdestructo.com/2011/05/bill-simmons-and-grantland.html)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on June 13, 2011, 01:07:51 PM
I'm really torn on Grantland.

They just made an awesome hire with Rafe Bartholemue, who wrote the Pacific Rims book about basketball in the Philippines which is one of the best basketball books ever written -- it's hilarious and also a great insight into another culture. I do have some hope that they can get some good young writers on the site. This also should be a major part of it from Simmons, since he went from a virtual unknown to Internet Superstar overnight after he was discovered on an AOL website in 1999. There are SO many more people writing these days who are great and haven't broken through.

But the Simmons/Klosterman/Eggers triumverate (and I guess Gladwell, too) ruling caste of the website is pretty awful. It's a bunch of people who think they're the defining voice of the current zeitgeist who haven't realized that they're 10 years behind the curve.

Plus, that footnote thing is REALLY obnoxious. It's such a cheap ploy to stand out -- as opposed to the material standing out on its own merits.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on June 13, 2011, 05:18:55 PM
Really cool to see Kidd win a championship. Next year is going to be a big year for him as well as he's basically a lock to take over Stockton's assist crown as long as health isn't an issue. Plus, he should pass Jordan for 2nd all time in steals, but it would take a few years of good play to pass Stockton in that category. It will be really interesting to see how long Kidd and Nash stay in the league and which one of them finishes with the most. It's going to be a big motivator for both them to play a few more years. It's kind of amazing how similar their careers have been. Both will be hall of fame, flashy, pass first point guards that left their original teams only to come back.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on June 16, 2011, 05:00:40 PM
Really cool to see Kidd win a championship. Next year is going to be a big year for him as well as he's basically a lock to take over Stockton's assist crown as long as health isn't an issue. Plus, he should pass Jordan for 2nd all time in steals, but it would take a few years of good play to pass Stockton in that category. It will be really interesting to see how long Kidd and Nash stay in the league and which one of them finishes with the most. It's going to be a big motivator for both them to play a few more years. It's kind of amazing how similar their careers have been. Both will be hall of fame, flashy, pass first point guards that left their original teams only to come back.

In a perfect world, Kidd would retire, Nash would take his spot, and then win a ring with Dirk.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: senorcorazon on June 19, 2011, 04:19:26 PM
Can the playoffs go on repeat for the rest of the summer? Such an amazing year.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on June 24, 2011, 01:01:19 PM
Metta World Peace!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on September 14, 2011, 12:05:31 PM
The Glen Rice/Sarah Palin rumor. DISCUSS!

I can't decide if I like this more than the Delonte/LeBron's mom stuff more.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Kormod on September 14, 2011, 01:08:07 PM
This still won't keep me from voting for Glen Rice in 2012.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on September 14, 2011, 01:15:26 PM
John Morton -- starting shooting guard on the 1989 Seton Hall University Pirates -- would be a lot more famous today if Rumeal Robinson bricked those free throws.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on September 14, 2011, 04:06:46 PM
The Glen Rice/Sarah Palin rumor. DISCUSS!

I can't decide if I like this more than the Delonte/LeBron's mom stuff more.

My friend at work told me to visit Deadspin for the Skip Bayless/Bosh thing but when I saw that headline, it pretty much made my day.

I still think the Delonte/Gloria stuff is better, but only because it was pre-fame Palin.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on September 14, 2011, 11:06:27 PM
The Glen Rice/Sarah Palin rumor. DISCUSS!

I can't decide if I like this more than the Delonte/LeBron's mom stuff more.

My friend at work told me to visit Deadspin for the Skip Bayless/Bosh thing but when I saw that headline, it pretty much made my day.

I still think the Delonte/Gloria stuff is better, but only because it was pre-fame Palin.

Glen Rice having sex with Sarah Palin NOW would be the best thing ever.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: gravy boat on October 19, 2011, 12:28:16 PM
Depressing news about no deal yet on this dreary Wednesday but on the bright side this book about Jerry West looks phenomenal.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/basketball/nba/10/19/jerry.west.book/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a13&eref=sihp (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/basketball/nba/10/19/jerry.west.book/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a13&eref=sihp)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: nec13 on November 15, 2011, 02:19:12 PM
http://www.nbpa.com/ (http://www.nbpa.com/)

This about says it all.

What a disaster.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on November 16, 2011, 05:57:03 PM
Yeah. Looks like a year of college basketball for me but it's just not the same. Hopefully the Gophers are pretty good this year and North Carolina busts.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Dan of Orange on November 16, 2011, 06:41:53 PM
Maybe follow the Australian NBL this year? They try really hard.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: buffcoat on November 16, 2011, 10:31:26 PM
Hopefully ... North Carolina busts.


How dare you, Gibby?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: daveB from Oakland on November 16, 2011, 11:04:11 PM
Maybe follow the Australian NBL this year? They try really hard.

Oh man, I totally had to Wikipedia that (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Basketball_League_(Australasia)) ... the team names (and defunct team names) are fantastic. The Singapore Slingers, although still active, are unfortunately no longer part of the NBL ... they're the only pro team, to my knowledge, named after a fancy cocktail.

But they still have the Townsville Crocodiles, whose logo subtly incorporates their primary sponsor ...

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5e/Townsville_crocodiles_club_logo.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: buffcoat on November 16, 2011, 11:18:08 PM
I remember Andrew Gaze.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Dan of Orange on November 16, 2011, 11:53:53 PM
don't forget the jolly ginger giant Luc Longley.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Pregnant Pause on November 17, 2011, 08:13:56 AM
don't forget the jolly ginger giant Luc Longley.

Luke Schenscher is getting upset
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on November 17, 2011, 09:49:15 AM
Andrew Gaze is affectionately known by me as "Boyhood Hero" Andrew Gaze since he was on my then-beloved Seton Hall Pirates. I've heard some great stories from old-heads in the Oranges about how Gaze pretty much lived at Cryan's in South Orange (a few blocks from the campus) and the Star Tavern (best pizza in North Jersey and owned by Seton Hall folks) on the Orange/West Orange border. The guy knew he was only playing for one year and barely went to any classes, despite being really smart.

If you thought the Aussie league had crazy names, check out the Phillipino league...
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Dan of Orange on November 17, 2011, 10:14:36 PM
What's a good fontasy basketball FoT team and mascot?  Newbridge Knights  Scharpling's Schredders  Bayonne Bleeders? 
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Zach mond on November 18, 2011, 12:12:31 AM
http://espn.go.com/watchespn/index/_/type/replay/channel/espn3/ (http://espn.go.com/watchespn/index/_/type/replay/channel/espn3/)   This Kentucky Kansas game has to bethe best option for basketball.  Kids are huge, some great plays allys in the first 10 minutes. chal mers is th ere. idk any of these players awseme dunks.  gregulater i'll play you in any format. 2 3 4's 5 on 5 or 1 on 1. your chewed up grisstle i'll beat you Beat Happening - Indian Summer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGMd9zQt8TE#)  happening beat- go Lakers;
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Zach mond on November 18, 2011, 12:53:38 AM
Go Wildcats! Dunk Town.. theres a point where the esp n 3 stream has technical difficulty.  I'm diffident but Kansas no thanks.  Currently I will vouch that Ken Tuck y is a cool team.  WE LIVE IN A POLICE STATE> SO MUCH MONEY BEING WASTED and hoard ed. B BALL BOYS lez go
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on November 19, 2011, 09:09:28 AM
Can someone get rid of this person, please?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Zach mond on November 20, 2011, 12:36:57 PM
lock out
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on November 21, 2011, 10:23:56 AM
If Aaron (my co-host) and I were to launch a Kickstarter campaign to buy a minor league basketball team, would YOU donate?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Zach mond on November 21, 2011, 11:23:00 AM
Flaming Lips: You Have To Be Joking (Autopsy of The Devil's Brain) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dceiGb_u6BE#)  for real greg. wtf. i cant listen to your podcast. its untenable garb age.  you sucka do you want to play hoops or not. im betting not hypo the tical.  ugh. substitu. woo woo its easy to make fun
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: njkaters on November 21, 2011, 03:14:04 PM
Flaming Lips: You Have To Be Joking (Autopsy of The Devil's Brain) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dceiGb_u6BE#)  for real greg. wtf. i cant listen to your podcast. its untenable garb age.  you sucka do you want to play hoops or not. im betting not hypo the tical.  ugh. substitu. woo woo its easy to make fun

Are you cutting the letters for your posts out of an online magazine like a ransom note?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Zach mond on November 21, 2011, 03:31:27 PM
Ran some im a big fan of burroughs. boo hoo no nba. http://espn.go.com/watchespn/index/_/channel/espn3 (http://espn.go.com/watchespn/index/_/channel/espn3) wish bone no nutting bout col ball. KD killing germans ah shid. want the best. revolution guys waste wor
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: nec13 on November 21, 2011, 03:52:26 PM
Ran some im a big fan of burroughs. boo hoo no nba. http://espn.go.com/watchespn/index/_/channel/espn3 (http://espn.go.com/watchespn/index/_/channel/espn3) wish bone no nutting bout col ball. KD killing germans ah shid. want the best. revolution guys waste wor

I Burroughs like pierogies yinz Uzbek audit bridge egg nog Drago who Galt pigeon cape Vanagon polo card playing fish hlep discount bags. Yo
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Zach mond on November 21, 2011, 04:36:24 PM
 :)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Dan of Orange on November 21, 2011, 04:50:39 PM
How much would an average minor league basketballing team cost?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on November 21, 2011, 07:32:49 PM
How much would an average minor league basketballing team cost?

$10,000 to get the right to reserve a team for a specific market. Operating expenses are another story.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Dan of Orange on November 22, 2011, 01:05:05 AM
Hmm might need a generous sponsor (WaWa?) or selling nachos door to door.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on November 22, 2011, 08:59:51 AM
Hmm might need a generous sponsor (WaWa?) or selling nachos door to door.

I think I could at least raise the $10K via Kickstarter. I know a lot of people who have given money to projects less worthwhile than this. I would do things like "If you give $1000 you can play in a game" and "For $750 you can be an assistant coach for the whole season" and "for $500 we will put your face somewhere on the uniform, most likely the ass."

The roster would go after the biggest freak show imaginable. Like I want a 5-foot fat guy center or some Manute Bol 7'9" inch guy. The more absurd of a player you are, the more I want you on the roster. I'm going straight up Moneyball with player management. Most of the guys in US minor league basketball don't want to be there -- they're hanging on in hopes to end up in Europe or the NBA. I want guys who WANT to play minor league basketball who can be molded into a true team who also have a freak show appeal.

It would also have a tie-in to comedy. I'd do something like an improv show where you call out a suggestion and the coach has to draw up a play somehow tied into that suggestion. Players who have also dabbled in stand-up/alternative comedy will also get a look.

I'd make it more than just some dumb comedy stunt though. I'd really like it to be something for a community to attach itself too. I'd really like to have fans do the most bizarre behavior possible yet still really family friendly.

I have a few ideas on where to locate this team. I'd want it to be near Philly or in North Jersey so I could actually watch the games of the team I own. But if I do a team in Philly, I'd look to do it in the suburbs so I could go after fans who live in the suburbs who have kids who don't want to drive into the city to watch the dumb Sixers. If I do get a Philly-based franchise, then I would possibly name the team the Fighting Hoagies and look to get Wawa or someone to tie in.

If enough FOTs kick in money, I will somehow incorporate The Best Show into the team. Maybe Ziegler on the back of everyone's jersey? Tom can coach anyway he wants? Newbridge Night?

I'm also thinking of looking to put a team in North Jersey, the Adirondacks (where I spend a lot of time) or Plymouth, Mass (where I used to work).

This might be a little out of my league -- the $10K isn't THAT daunting to try and via Kickstarter (and I think "comedy podcast tries to buy a minor league team" will get some publicity) but the operating costs beyond that are probably close to six figures. And I don't want to put my family's financial future at risk for some crazy stunt. But on the other hand, you only live once and what's the point of life unless you do some insane shit?

I can't believe I am seriously putting thought into owning a minor league basketball team.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Pregnant Pause on November 22, 2011, 10:27:54 AM
What pledge amount gurantees frisbee dog half time shows? 
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on November 22, 2011, 10:55:04 AM
What pledge amount gurantees frisbee dog half time shows?

There's a good chance this was going to happen anyways.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Dan of Orange on November 22, 2011, 03:23:52 PM
Do it! 10 grand sounds do-able. And maybe get some merch made, everyone is going to want a 'Insert team's name' cap, t-shirt and bottle opener!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on November 23, 2011, 10:41:09 AM
I have started a Facebook page for the Flyin' Hoagies of Philadelphia potential minor league basketball team!

Please join!

http://www.facebook.com/groups/304079232944177/members/# (http://www.facebook.com/groups/304079232944177/members/#)!/groups/304079232944177/
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: mark b on November 26, 2011, 06:28:16 AM
Let's play ball! (fingers crossed)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on November 26, 2011, 11:31:49 AM
PHEW!

Pumped for Christmas!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Cotton on November 30, 2011, 02:43:47 PM
I can't wait to get this season underway. I'm kinda bummed about the shortened season, but the positives are that it feels like the season sprung up overnight and I won't have to endure a 2 month preseason, plus there's just going to be that many more games on every night.

It'll be interesting to see who teams amnesty (especially my Sixers), but more than anything I just want to watch some non-college ball.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Pregnant Pause on November 30, 2011, 04:54:33 PM
I can't wait to get this season underway. I'm kinda bummed about the shortened season, but the positives are that it feels like the season sprung up overnight and I won't have to endure a 2 month preseason, plus there's just going to be that many more games on every night.

It'll be interesting to see who teams amnesty (especially my Sixers), but more than anything I just want to watch some non-college ball.

You, me and Kate Fagan might be the only Sixers fans left.  As for the amnesty, they've already rid themselves of the millstone around their neck by axing Hip-Hop, getting rid of anyone else is just excessive (Elton Brand can still kind of play).  Although is either Jason Kapono or Nocioni still on the books?  76ers should definitely drop those dudes.   
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on November 30, 2011, 08:18:43 PM
I'm excited about the shortened season. I would have preferred a 50 game season without trying to squeeze games in.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on December 01, 2011, 10:04:58 AM
I can't wait to get this season underway. I'm kinda bummed about the shortened season, but the positives are that it feels like the season sprung up overnight and I won't have to endure a 2 month preseason, plus there's just going to be that many more games on every night.

It'll be interesting to see who teams amnesty (especially my Sixers), but more than anything I just want to watch some non-college ball.

You, me and Kate Fagan might be the only Sixers fans left.  As for the amnesty, they've already rid themselves of the millstone around their neck by axing Hip-Hop, getting rid of anyone else is just excessive (Elton Brand can still kind of play).  Although is either Jason Kapono or Nocioni still on the books?  76ers should definitely drop those dudes.   

Hey! I'm a Sixers fan. It's just that the team has been so incredibly hatable the past few years. It isn't the players' fault. I'm really high on Thad/J'Rue/Turner and Iggy's STILL somehow underrated by the masses, particularly in Philly.

It's just that the old ownership group could not have ruined the team more than they did.

The Sixers were briefly the most popular team in Philly. Their finals run was Phillies-level awesome in how beloved they were that spring. People who weren't around back then think I'm lying when I tell them things like "A few thousand people celebrated the Game 1 win over the Lakers at Broad and Walnut" and "Everyone in the city pretty much had a Sixers flag".

That team wasn't built for a big run. AI's probably my favorite player ever (I think I watched him stepping over Tyrone Lue 19 times this week alone) but he was too mercurial to be a guy to bring a team to a few finals. And trying to fit the pieces around him required a skilled hand which Billy Hunter didn't have. And Larry Brown was the perfect coach for that run but he's a total flake (although my friend Becky thinks he's a silver fox).

But even with the team up-and-down, they still shouldn't have ended up like they have. The ownership group just piddled away all of their goodwill by making those games as aggravating as possible.

I went to the Lakers game last year with my cousin. The cheapest ticket was $30, before surcharges. I saw the Phillies a bunch of times last year for about half that price. I know the economics are different -- 20,000 seats with 40 games vs. 45,000 seats with 81 games -- but the Phillies sell out every game while the Sixers played to half capacity most nights. On top of the horrifying expense for a ticket, the parking was also $15, unless you wanted to park by the ballpark and walk about four miles in an unexposed, poorly lit parking lot in mid-January.

Hip Hop was also the worst mascot in US sports history. I'd love to see the focus group when he was created. "Oh, yeah, let's get an extreme bodybuilding rape-y rabbit who will hit about 75% of his trampoline dunks." And they had this literal monster when right across the street is the Philly Phanatic, who is even more beloved than Wawa.

Then their attempts at generating atmosphere just drove me and my friends away. The dumb sad voice after the away team's bucket. The piped in defense chants. Hip Hop with those loud gloves. They refused to allow any amount of silence during the game -- just not stop Jock Jam after Jock Jam, with requisite Wang Chung style graphics everywhere.

HOWEVER -- I'm back on board. The new owners are really receptive. One of their owners is constantly on Twitter talking with fans and asking for ideas. They already dumped Hip Hop, which is the best move they could have made, and there will be a GUARANTEED SELL OUT for "Burn Hip Hop in effigy" night. They cut ticket prices by half.

They just have to work the cap. If they get one star -- and it doesn't have to be a superstar, but just a legit scoring All-Star ala Monta Ellis -- and the team gets up to a 4 seed, that place is going to be rocking again.

GO SIX SHOW!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Cotton on December 01, 2011, 01:26:28 PM
Yeah, Hip Hop was one of the worst mascots I can remember (you only get one "what the hell is that?" mascot per city), although I don't have the fondest memories of Big Shot, either...
It would be nice to have a Zeigler-type mascot. or a recreation of Barkley-era Mike Gminski.

it blows my mind how much most of the Philly fans I know dislike Iguodala, I guess it's people who only focus on offensive stats. We definitely need an A1 scorer, but it was never gonna be Iggy. But he's still the leader of the team and an elite defender. Watching Jrue develop a defensive style with him has been one of my favorite parts of the last season. I also think Turner's improvement in the last month of last season was impressive, and I can only hope working on his jumper all season will help.

I think the dropped ticket prices are genius, and I'm hoping to come back for a series of games in the spring, which will probably cost me slightly less than some nosebleed Clippers seats. Sure, they're a young team that needs a scorer that isn't Lou Williams, but they're still a load of fun to watch. Unfortunately, we're in a newly-stacked division, but we can't worry about that until April...

also, why does everyone love Monta Ellis so much? That's like the one dude I DON'T want to ever see in a Sixers jersey. (Well, maybe him and Amare).
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Wes on December 01, 2011, 01:57:57 PM
I still say the Sixers could have made the Finals against the Lakers a bit more interesting if George Lynch hadn't broken his foot earlier in the playoffs.

My favorite memory of that team was actually from the year before, in the final game of the regular season when they were about to make their first trip to the playoffs. Iverson grabbed the house mic, asked everyone in the crowd to hang around for a minute, then gave an impromptu speech thanking everybody and pumping himself/the crowd/the team up. It was a really genuine moment of a guy embracing where he was and the potential of what he could be and I've always rooted for him since, even through sad later stories of using trashcans as bathrooms in casinos or seeking out the only TGIFriday's in Istanbul.

I enjoyed watching last year's team a ton and can't wait for them to start up again, especially in this bold, new, post-Hip Hop era. I'd guess that Trembling Eagle would have approved of Hip Hop's design, unless he disapproves of all mascots on a fundemental level because they interfere with the purity of competition, which is a perfectly reasonable stance.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on December 01, 2011, 02:52:22 PM
it blows my mind how much most of the Philly fans I know dislike Iguodala, I guess it's people who only focus on offensive stats.

It sounds similar to how a lot of Bulls fans felt about Deng, at least before last season. Isn't really a guy who can carry a team by himself and probably gets paid too much but always busts his ass and does all the little things that aren't always reflected in the stat line.

also, why does everyone love Monta Ellis so much? That's like the one dude I DON'T want to ever see in a Sixers jersey. (Well, maybe him and Amare).

Monta's game has a level of skilled chaos that I find really appealing.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Cotton on December 01, 2011, 03:01:41 PM
I see Ellis as a more talented Lou Williams with even more of the offense routed through him. He takes a lot of questionable shots and when they hit, he looks like a genius. But if they're missing he looks like a psycho ballhog who'd rather attempt a running mid-range floater than driving or hitting the open man.

re: Hip Hop, the problem with NBA mascots is that they by and large stupid. The most successful one of all time is what, the Phoenix Gorilla? That bug-eyed dude the Warriors have?

I kinda of like the idea of a really aggressive, MMA-infatuated Hip Hop goading fans into fighting him... he could spray people in the face with Frank's Black Cherry Wishniak to pump them up!

Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on December 01, 2011, 03:12:14 PM
re: Hip Hop, the problem with NBA mascots is that they by and large stupid. The most successful one of all time is what, the Phoenix Gorilla? That bug-eyed dude the Warriors have?

Benny the Bull is the only NBA mascot with his own Wesley Willis song.

Also, a few years back, he was arrested for driving a mini-motorcycle through the Taste of Chicago and punching an off-duty cop.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on December 01, 2011, 06:34:15 PM
I always liked the Hornets dual mascots of that bee and then The Man of Teal dunk guy.

Clutch, the Houston Rockets mascot, is tolerably adorable.

The Nets had an old mascot called "Stuff, the Magic Dragon" who lasted about three months. This was the Chris Morris-era Nets with the tye dye warm-ups. One of the best bad basketball teams of all-time. Just total jerks, ballhogs, arrests and dumb fan promotions.

I'll look later to see if their song "GET ON THE POWER TRAIN" is on YouTube anywhere.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: senorcorazon on December 02, 2011, 07:48:24 AM
I don't want to start reading the article because it's impossible to top the title. Thanks, Yahoo Sports.

"Rik Smits finds a home away from hoops … on a dirt bike?"
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: buffcoat on December 02, 2011, 10:13:10 AM
"Oh, yeah, let's get an extreme bodybuilding rape-y rabbit who will hit about 75% of his trampoline dunks."


I'm struggling to find the flaw.




We in NC are saddled with the most non-entitous team in professional sports, the Charlotte Bobcats.  A combination of a city known for nothing, a team with a nonsensical and no-longer-relevant-even-in-its-original-nonrelevancy nickname, an ok but undistinguished arena... at least the Hornets had a cheaty, stealy, in fact rape-y owner who was the most hated man in the city for reasons having nothing to do with the team, although that was how he became well known.

It would be an interesting story if it didn't take place in Charlotte, the Largest City in America that Nobody Ever Talks About.

Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: TheeChrisDee on December 05, 2011, 11:05:45 AM
I love your take on Charlotte and based on my few visits, totally agree.  It's my unrealistic dream that MJ someday decides to move the team to Raleigh.

Is there a Fontasy hoops league starting up?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: buffcoat on December 05, 2011, 03:19:49 PM
I love your take on Charlotte and based on my few visits, totally agree.  It's my unrealistic dream that MJ someday decides to move the team to Raleigh.

Is there a Fontasy hoops league starting up?


Triangle-ites hate Charlotteans and vice-versa.  It's in our DNA.  Stay here long enough and it will worm its way into yours.

Charlotte desperately wants to be Atlanta, which is a bit like the Sixth Layer of Hell wanting to be just like the Eighth.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on December 05, 2011, 05:17:57 PM
Is there a Fontasy hoops league starting up?

I got an email saying our league from last year was reactivated but I'm not sure if new teams can be added or not. I believe gabbami is the league commish but it doesn't look like he's been on the boards in a long while.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Pregnant Pause on December 05, 2011, 08:56:47 PM
re: Hip Hop, the problem with NBA mascots is that they by and large stupid. The most successful one of all time is what, the Phoenix Gorilla? That bug-eyed dude the Warriors have?

Benny the Bull is the only NBA mascot with his own Wesley Willis song.

Also, a few years back, he was arrested for driving a mini-motorcycle through the Taste of Chicago and punching an off-duty cop.

Oh no... http://www.nba.com/sixers/mascotfanvote.html (http://www.nba.com/sixers/mascotfanvote.html)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: TheeChrisDee on December 06, 2011, 09:04:40 AM
I've got nothing against the good people of Charlotte, I just think the city is a whole lot of nothing...and I want their basketball team.

I've beat this drum on twitter many times, but I still find it very odd that at least on DirecTV, the Bobcats games are blacked out in the Triangle.  Somehow, a city 2 1/2 hours away, in the same state is out of market.  You can't grow a fanbase if one of the most populated and fastest growing areas of the state can't see your games. Major blunder by the Bobcats.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: buffcoat on December 06, 2011, 09:45:22 AM
Major blunder by the Bobcats.



Writing this sentence twice a week would qualify you to be the Bobcats beat writer for either the Charlotte Observer or The (Raleigh) News & Observer.

Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: buffcoat on December 06, 2011, 09:54:54 AM
Oh no... http://www.nba.com/sixers/mascotfanvote.html (http://www.nba.com/sixers/mascotfanvote.html)



I didn't have the belief that I would be emotionally affected by clicking on this link, but I was. 

Oh, man, PP, you found a link straight from the pits of hell.  I was less shocked when I clicked through to goatse, way back when.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Dan of Orange on December 06, 2011, 07:24:26 PM
We all like the dog with the bell on it's head right?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: captain carrigan on December 06, 2011, 10:11:52 PM
I missed the boat on this board's NBA fantasy league last year, but played on yahoo and really enjoyed it.  Would like to get in with this one, if that's happening and you guys are accepting new teams.  Thanks.

Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on December 07, 2011, 10:40:11 AM
Yeah, if someone sets this up you know I'm in.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Stupornaut on December 07, 2011, 01:18:04 PM
Usually the best way to help me keep tabs on a sports league I only have passing familiarity with is through comedy, so hopefully I'll be able to overcome the Timberwolves' continued efforts to make every Minnesotan stop caring about the NBA with the help of Jon Bois' Lockout Laboratory. (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/12/7/2617883/nba-laboratory-givin-kobe-bryant-the-business) The bit that starts at 1:35 is the funniest thing I've seen all week.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Cotton on December 07, 2011, 02:51:40 PM
I'd partake in a fantasy league if asked. My legacy league on Yahoo screwed me over with the draft time and I have to autopick it so I'm desperate for a team I can actually be there to draft.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Kid Pain on December 09, 2011, 12:19:45 AM
Wow, Stern should be forced to resign for this Paul debacle.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on December 09, 2011, 09:12:23 AM
Wow, Stern should be forced to resign for this Paul debacle.

I'm so torn on this whole thing!

Obviously, players should want to go wherever the hell they want to go to. I just wish that players would consider the fact that there are great areas in the US that aren't New York, LA or Miami.

For instance, the reason why the Warriors and Clippers were hesitant to give up really good players for CP3 were because he wouldn't sign with them. Now, I understand the Clippers since Sterling couldn't be more of a cretin (although Paul-to-Griffin for even four months is a dream come true). But why wouldn't you want to play for Golden State? San Francisco is pretty similar to New York, except that it's hillier and a lot prettier and has less annoying people. And they also have the best fans in the league (one of the few things I see eye-to-eye with Simmons about) and a new ownership group that's pretty ambitious.

One of the reasons why everyone loves KD is that he wants to play in Oklahoma City. I wouldn't even have wanted to go to a Denny's in OKC until the Thunder played there and now the league's most beloved player has anchored himself there! CP3 could have been that same level person if he would've signed.

As far as Stern/owners go -- none of them, in their business lives, would have ever wanted other people in their industry to tell them what they can and can't do with personnel hirings. They should be completely ashamed of themselves.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on December 09, 2011, 11:27:33 AM
I've really not liked Simmons' take on the whole lockout situation, but I thought his piece today was dead on. Not only does it screw up the teams involved and dealing with hurt feelings, but it also impacts a team like the Knicks that probably wouldn't have signed Chandler if they though they'd be able to get Paul as a free agent.

If this is going to make it so that the Hornets have to let Paul walk away for basically nothing, they might as well just fold the team.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on December 09, 2011, 12:33:13 PM
Brandon Roy's retiring.

Sigh. Such a great player with too limited a peak. I loved his game -- it looked like he was walking in tar sands oil compared to almost every other player but he was so ridiculously clever.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: TheeChrisDee on December 09, 2011, 04:54:10 PM
Even as a Celtics fan, I think this whole thing stinks.

First off, we lost almost 2 months of games because the owners locked out the players and the resolution didn't fix any of the competitive balance issues that they supposedly locked out the players for in the first place. 

The owners got money back, sure..but the system remains unchanged for the most part.  Essentially everyone caved to PR pressure so they could restart the league on Christmas.
If the owners were serious about that competitive balance crap, the league would still be in a lockout and remain until they revamped the entire structure of the league.

I have no problem with players trying to dictate where they go.  Free agency is structured in such a way that stars have to force trades if they want to get max money from their new team if the current situation is untenable.  If Stern and the owners are serious about preventing the Melo's and CP3's of the league from trying to force trades, then get rid of Bird Rights.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: TheeChrisDee on December 09, 2011, 04:56:34 PM
Am I the only person who thinks that the Warriors should change their name to the San Francisco Warriors?  Wouldn't that immediately increase their cache? Granted they play in Oakland, but since when has that mattered?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: senorcorazon on December 11, 2011, 11:15:53 AM
Am I the only person who thinks that the Warriors should change their name to the San Francisco Warriors?  Wouldn't that immediately increase their cache? Granted they play in Oakland, but since when has that mattered?

Go full-blown hipster, change it to the Oakland Warriors. When they play the Brooklyn Nets, Flatbush Avenue gets knit-bombed. Sell kombucha at the concessions, trade for Metta World Peace and have halftime yoga. 
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Zach mond on December 11, 2011, 11:54:25 AM
Warriors come out to play. na g state is roll natzy.  fo real monte steph v blake is going to to be sick.chrimbus going to be wet.  AND gregulater stinkss at ball won't even try to defend his basketball ego. roll ova beet oven. mit hamine ahh fuck this lamar odom trade is lame duck. draft considerations bah
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on December 12, 2011, 05:10:52 PM
I'm upset that we're not going to see CP3 to Blake.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: wood and iron on December 12, 2011, 05:52:54 PM
So, out of nowhere, I've become interested in following the NBA. By proximity, I'm prone to be a Sixers fan. Also, the new management seems to making a lot of good moves (they just hired the kid who set up fake Twitter accounts for their shitty new mascots).

The problem is, I know nothing about basketball. I've always been clumsy and my utter lack of ability in the realm of hoops has kept my interest extremely low.

So I'm looking for a good primer or something to get myself involved and know a basic level of what's going on. I think the shortened season will be very helpful in that respect.

Any ideas?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: gravy boat on December 12, 2011, 06:01:42 PM
I'm upset that we're not going to see CP3 to Blake.

Damn--If CP3 had just gone to either LA team by now, i think Orlando would have moved Howard to the Nets.  This short off-season is bonkers.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Stupornaut on December 12, 2011, 09:20:37 PM
So, out of nowhere, I've become interested in following the NBA. By proximity, I'm prone to be a Sixers fan. Also, the new management seems to making a lot of good moves (they just hired the kid who set up fake Twitter accounts for their shitty new mascots).

The problem is, I know nothing about basketball. I've always been clumsy and my utter lack of ability in the realm of hoops has kept my interest extremely low.

So I'm looking for a good primer or something to get myself involved and know a basic level of what's going on. I think the shortened season will be very helpful in that respect.

Any ideas?

Start with the two FreeDarko books -- the first one's an almanac and is somewhat dated but covers most of the great recent players, and the history volume is fantastic all around.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on December 12, 2011, 09:43:54 PM
Any ideas?

I think the number one to remember when watching the NBA is this: The shortest guy on this court is probably about 6'2", which in real life is considered to be very tall. I don't even remember the last time I saw a person who was 6'8" in person, let alone a person that tall who is also incredibly fast with absurd body control. NBA players are legitimately the best athletes in the world.

As far as a starting point: The 66 game schedule might be weird -- especially at first. There are so many crazy free agency moves and trades going on right now that a few teams will look very differently than they did last year. But there's essentially only three weeks of training camps and a handful of pre-season games that it's going to be incredibly hard for a bunch of teams to gel.  There is going to be a lot of sloppy ball in the first few weeks. So keep that in mind.

As far as another starting point: Games on TNT are well worth your time. They aren't any different than ESPN games but the announcers are, for the most part, about 75 times better. Their pre-game and halftime show is the best in sports history, largely because Charles Barkley just says whatever comes to mind. It's a bunch of pretty funny guys being pretty funny. And this year they now have Shaquille O'Neal joining them so there's a lot of hope that he'll add to this.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Zach mond on December 13, 2011, 12:59:34 AM
Stupornaut a great place to start, the court. go round there and dribble tripple. score the damn ball. dont hit people with your limbs.  get the ball across half court in 8. score the damn ball.  gregulater is a shmuck who talks ball butt. hes butt ball butt thees right in lamness. man wont take my bait and get schooled on the court. come on white devil put up or shut up. 5 on 5 whatever your team loses and you do some more clueless pod chasting.  do you understand. you a puss (Y?)  (cuz i luv the hoops and friends ub in philly)) organize the game you terribly named later (ah man parks and rec o yeah adam good scott greg let me bring the pain to ya.  o and great guests on the nodcast  (boowoo woo woo boooo))0
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: nec13 on December 13, 2011, 11:44:17 AM
I'm upset that we're not going to see CP3 to Blake.

The Clippers were absolutely justified in turning the NBA's proposed deal down. A 1/4 of your roster (including your second best scorer and a possible top 3 lottery pick) for a point guard who, while outstanding, still has shaky knees...that's really not a fair deal for LAC.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on December 13, 2011, 01:35:28 PM


As far as another starting point: Games on TNT are well worth your time. They aren't any different than ESPN games but the announcers are, for the most part, about 75 times better. Their pre-game and halftime show is the best in sports history, largely because Charles Barkley just says whatever comes to mind. It's a bunch of pretty funny guys being pretty funny. And this year they now have Shaquille O'Neal joining them so there's a lot of hope that he'll add to this.

I'll second this. They televise the actual game different as well I think. TNT has a different look that I prefer... warmer colors maybe? I don't know how it's possible but watching the NBA on TNT is actually 75 times better than watching it on ESPN. Unless it's a really good game, I don't watch games that are going to be on ESPN. It's a good rule of thumb to stay away from ESPN altogether I suppose minus a few exceptions.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: captain carrigan on December 14, 2011, 12:26:05 AM
I just set up an NBA fantasy league on ESPN.com ("Bosketball Fontasy").  I'd like to do a draft this Sunday.  If you are interested, please set up an ESPN user name and account and DM me. 

Let's do this.
John
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: TheeChrisDee on December 14, 2011, 09:44:29 AM
but if you don't watch the ESPN games, you miss out on Uncle Hubie.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on December 14, 2011, 09:55:45 AM
but if you don't watch the ESPN games, you miss out on Uncle Hubie.

And Jeff Van Gundy.

But the TNT package just smokes ESPN. And ABC. It's not that ESPN does a bad job with the NBA because they don't But TNT's NBA broadcasts, I think, are the best in sports history. (I'm a bit biased. Their main producer went to my college and I met him a few times when I was an undergrad.)

Also: Working on TWO basketball projects. The first is the All-Beard NBA Team, inspired by last night's Best Show. The second is a research project counting how many times Bill Simmons has made the KAAAHHHHN joke. Print only, not counting Twitter, since that will take a decade.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Dan of Orange on December 14, 2011, 02:50:01 PM
The Mighty Mighty T-Wolves will own the Oklahoma City Blunder Dec 26, who will bet me $20 WFMU pledge?   
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: nec13 on December 14, 2011, 07:24:29 PM
It looks like you'll get your wish after all, jbissell.

Quote
The Los Angeles Clippers have agreed to a deal in principle with the league-owned New Orleans Hornets to acquire guard Chris Paul, according to sources close to the process.

The Clippers, sources said, will send guard Eric Gordon, center Chris Kaman, forward Al-Farouq Aminu and Minnesota's unprotected 2012 first-round pick to the Hornets for Paul.

The Clippers will also receive two future second-round picks, according to sources.

The deal is expected to be approved by the league Wednesday night, sources said.

I don't think the Hornets could have done any better, really.

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/7353870/sources-los-angeles-new-orleans-hornets-agree-chris-paul-trade (http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/7353870/sources-los-angeles-new-orleans-hornets-agree-chris-paul-trade)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Zach mond on December 15, 2011, 01:06:14 AM
ya hornets win. 2 pgs for the 1 and 2 in LA. cant guard. na na g state clip game is going to be so nasty. billups will throw lobs to blake too. and ya lympics showed bill can guard. could totally work. butt Lakers doo better. lamar trade was so reetabed
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Zach mond on December 15, 2011, 02:53:03 AM
http://espn.go.com/watchespn/index/_/source/espn3/#type/replay/sport/basketball/search/FC (http://espn.go.com/watchespn/index/_/source/espn3/#type/replay/sport/basketball/search/FC) Barcelona/ mite help with the wait plus education. 4 from spains national team on fc barc (spains good, gasols) ya get pink jerseys and the magic that is ricky rubio and navaro. rubio and the t wolvs should beee sooo gooood. chrimbus o man!!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: senorcorazon on December 15, 2011, 09:19:50 AM
All-Beard NBA Team, inspired by last night's Best Show.

Current or historical? Baron Davis has a decent one, though not flashy. Rasheed Wallace gets a consideration for the general disarray of his. Ilgauskas has a good Amish-style. How did I miss this gross Drew Gooden one?
http://threesecondviolation.com/2011/04/05/auspicious-bristles-the-bearded-blokes/ (http://threesecondviolation.com/2011/04/05/auspicious-bristles-the-bearded-blokes/)

An Orlando newspaper had a feature where you could put beards on The Magic. Way to stay relevant, print media:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/os-magic-beards-of-glory,0,2015735.htmlpage (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/os-magic-beards-of-glory,0,2015735.htmlpage)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on December 15, 2011, 09:28:54 AM
For all the outrage about David Stern vetoing the Lakers/Rockets trade, I think NO ended up getting a great deal. They got a great young two-guard, a decent enough center who will come off the cap, an interesting young player who could really break out with a lot of minutes and a probably lottery pick.  That seems like a pretty good return for the best PG in basketball and smokes what they were going to get from the Lakers and Rockets. They were right to want youth and picks as opposed to older guys, no matter how good they are.

They couldn't strongarm Eric Bledsoe but he's on track to become a really good backup PG, which isn't that big a deal in the long term.

It wasn't a steal for the Hornets by any means. The Clippers still got the best PG in basketball, albeit one with a bit of an injury history. If this works out for the Clippers, they're going to be the most interesting team to watch. I don't think they're going to contend or anything like that and I have no faith in the Clip Show to make a quality move to get them into contention. But they're going to be must-see basketball. I think they'll be the most entertaining non-contending basketball team since the crazy ass Warriors team that beat the Mavs.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: nec13 on December 15, 2011, 10:15:24 AM
For all the outrage about David Stern vetoing the Lakers/Rockets trade, I think NO ended up getting a great deal. They got a great young two-guard, a decent enough center who will come off the cap, an interesting young player who could really break out with a lot of minutes and a probably lottery pick.  That seems like a pretty good return for the best PG in basketball and smokes what they were going to get from the Lakers and Rockets. They were right to want youth and picks as opposed to older guys, no matter how good they are.

They couldn't strongarm Eric Bledsoe but he's on track to become a really good backup PG, which isn't that big a deal in the long term.

It wasn't a steal for the Hornets by any means. The Clippers still got the best PG in basketball, albeit one with a bit of an injury history. If this works out for the Clippers, they're going to be the most interesting team to watch. I don't think they're going to contend or anything like that and I have no faith in the Clip Show to make a quality move to get them into contention. But they're going to be must-see basketball. I think they'll be the most entertaining non-contending basketball team since the crazy ass Warriors team that beat the Mavs.

Agreed.

This is one of those rare trades that is a win for both sides.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Zach mond on December 15, 2011, 03:51:40 PM
greg breaks down the trade butt wont break the ankles. lace em up punk. let me wipe the floor of you and your friends. best pg d fish. go lakers ((gregulater dont be scared... we ccan film your humiliating but fun defeat) lets backyball itz the greatest
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on December 17, 2011, 07:54:58 PM
greg breaks down the trade butt wont break the ankles. lace em up punk. let me wipe the floor of you and your friends. best pg d fish. go lakers ((gregulater dont be scared... we ccan film your humiliating but fun defeat) lets backyball itz the greatest

Zach -- No. I am not playing basketball with you.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Zach mond on December 17, 2011, 08:51:57 PM
you are a joke man. your podcast is a joke. basketball podcast where lil baby is too scared to play the game. only lip lap. dont have any guests. just 2 smucks talking about a game they cant really comprehend. you arebilly si mmons with out game. just a negative unfunny attitude. dont ever criticize another player ever again.  at least theyd play.  get over your ocds and enjoy the philly games this year bro and really stop being such a geek. play the gam. itz the best. 
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on December 27, 2011, 12:01:28 AM
Fun: OKC/Twolves
Not fun: Watching Chauncey dominate the ball and DeAndre Jordan shooting FTs
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on December 30, 2011, 05:33:00 PM
My wife got me the NBA Direct TV package for my birthday/X-Mas which are essentially one and the same!

I finally got to dork out last night. Some notes on the season:

1) I firgging hate that Norris Cole is on the Heat. This is because the "spunky undersized, backup PG from a mid-major college" template is something that I always love. So now I kind of have to like someone on the worst pro sports team ever. I think he'll be really great off the bench for those guys. They're still a bunch of creeps, though. The amount of complaining The Big Three do is ludicrous. They also lead the league in "intentionally not getting back on defense in order to get a cheap dunk" plays, which is the worst. They're off to an amazing start but once defenses lock down, LBJ's going to toss up fadeaway 27-footers again.

2) OKC/Dallas was one of the best games of the year. They're perhaps the two most likable teams in the league and also the most intriguing. I already have a headache from the Russ/KD "feud" that the media is trying to start up. KD's buzzer beater last night was awesome. MORE PLEASE!

3) I am in love with both Denver AND Portland. Denver's a version of the last Pistons teams to win the title -- they're a sum of their parts without any true stars, except with players I actually enjoy watching. Portland's kind of the same way, except they have LaMarcus Aldridge who is a true star AND Gerald Wallace. I knew GW was a good fantasy player but he's legitimately a great player. He does so many great little things. Both are darkhorses out West in a season that's going to be really weird with the schedule. I haven't watched the Sixers yet but they could be the East version of those teams.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on December 30, 2011, 05:38:42 PM
ALSO --

Sacramento is the most entertaining awful team in the league. I will go out of my way to watch every single one of their games. Marcus Thornton is one of the biggest ballhogs I've ever seen. Tyreke Evans is a REAL close second. It's like 2002 all over again with the Kings, watching crummy players shake off plays to go one on one. Add in their obvious disdain for Jimmer (who looks at least decent -- he can definitely score), and you have one of the greatest backcourts in recent memory. And DeMarcus Cousins is going to kill someone. He shoots death glares anytime he gets shaken off in the post or on a pick'n'roll (which is essentially every play) and/or when he thinks the ref screwed him.

The real tragedy in this is Chuck Hayes. I love his game. It's also clear watching him that he REALLY cares. He's super vocal and is like another coach on the bench and on the court. He's a true leader and deserves to be on a team without these knuckleheads.

Bobby Jackson -- one of my all-time favorite players -- is an assistant coach. His suit last night was unreal. It was a black suit jacket with grey shoulder pads. He was also wearing a rubber bracelet with what may have been skull patterns.

MORE PLEASE!

ADDING:

Saw the 4th quarter of Wolves/Heat. Total thriller. Ricky Rubio is ridiculously good. If he gets any sort of consistent jump shot, then he could be the best PG in the league. The Heat are just going to give the ball to D-Wade the entire 4th quarter, which is the smart thing to do.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on December 31, 2011, 01:27:13 AM
ALSO --

Sacramento is the most entertaining awful team in the league. I will go out of my way to watch every single one of their games. Marcus Thornton is one of the biggest ballhogs I've ever seen. Tyreke Evans is a REAL close second. It's like 2002 all over again with the Kings, watching crummy players shake off plays to go one on one. Add in their obvious disdain for Jimmer (who looks at least decent -- he can definitely score), and you have one of the greatest backcourts in recent memory. And DeMarcus Cousins is going to kill someone. He shoots death glares anytime he gets shaken off in the post or on a pick'n'roll (which is essentially every play) and/or when he thinks the ref screwed him.

The real tragedy in this is Chuck Hayes. I love his game. It's also clear watching him that he REALLY cares. He's super vocal and is like another coach on the bench and on the court. He's a true leader and deserves to be on a team without these knuckleheads.

Bobby Jackson -- one of my all-time favorite players -- is an assistant coach. His suit last night was unreal. It was a black suit jacket with grey shoulder pads. He was also wearing a rubber bracelet with what may have been skull patterns.

MORE PLEASE!

ADDING:

Saw the 4th quarter of Wolves/Heat. Total thriller. Ricky Rubio is ridiculously good. If he gets any sort of consistent jump shot, then he could be the best PG in the league. The Heat are just going to give the ball to D-Wade the entire 4th quarter, which is the smart thing to do.

From the few minutes of the Magic I watched tonight, Ryan Anderson's pretty terrific. He was always underrated but now that he's getting a lot of minutes, he's really breaking out.

The Clippers desperately need a new coach. Like yesterday. Also, they need to rebound the ball. They're going to have a ton of awesome highlights but aren't going to do crap without some major changes.

Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on January 02, 2012, 01:19:35 PM
I have officially handed the "Most Fun Team in the NBA" title to Minnesota. I love the T-Wolves SO much. I had no idea until their last game that Kevin Love has the longest tenure with the team. This is completely nuts since he's only in his fourth year but it feels even younger since he just broke out last season. I also love watching him play. I've only seen him in bits and pieces since Minnesota doesn't get a lot of national TV time but I had no idea what a bizarre skill-set he has. I think there's a case to be made that he's the most all-around talented player in basketball right now. He has a really great inside/outside game, he's really athletic, he can pass, he's pretty impressive on defense and is obviously an absurdly great rebounder. He's also starting to step it up and realize he has to be the man at the end of games.

Ricky Rubio just has it. He was off the court for a big stretch last night against the Mavs and Dallas made a great run to get back into the game. Ricky came back in and the Wolves pulled away. This wasn't accidental. The word "infectious" comes to mind. His teammates love him already. The bench explodes whenever he does something great.

But what makes them appealing is how much they have to overcome. They're a young team figuring it out. Rick Adelman's a terrific coach so they have spacing/fluidity/etc. down really well. But, unfortunately, they have a general manager who has absolutely no idea how to build a team and has no strategy.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on January 02, 2012, 01:36:06 PM
Being a diehard Wolves fan, I agree with all that except the swipe at Kahn. This is his team he put together and he brought Adelman in. Remember, this is his 3rd year and the first year that all of the pieces (other than Love) are his. He took over a team that not only was terrible but also lost almost it's entire fanbase- you can walk into almost any store that sells some kind of sports merchandise here (Best Buy, Pet Smart, Target...etc) and find Vikings, Twins and Wild gear but I haven't seen Wolves gear anywhere other than actual sports shops and even they have a sparse selection. Credit the Twins and Vikings for being terrible as well, but three years into his leadership, and the Wolves are the most exciting and probably most popular team in Minnesota right now. Not only that, but it looks like they are going to be pretty good on top of exciting.

Does he have some pieces that don't fit? Yeah, but most teams do. I think Beasley needs to go, he takes way too many shots, and doesn't have the confidence to be their go to guy at the end. I'd much rather see him replaced with a guy who isn't necessarily a star but can be relied on to take the big shot.

One thing is for sure, it sure is nice going to work and being able to talk with people about the Wolves again. For the last 3-4 years I was watching the games and nobody else cared, which kind of defeats the purpose of watching sports.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jäck on January 02, 2012, 02:04:16 PM
For the first time in years it's not depressing to be a Wolves fan. Rubio is so much fun to watch.

Ricky Rubio's Fancy Assist (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbvO3ptQTGE#ws)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: buffcoat on January 02, 2012, 02:57:41 PM
His teammates did seem excited.

Now if Darko can catch on, Tony and Mike will have to eat all their NBA-bust-focused words.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jäck on January 02, 2012, 03:53:57 PM
(http://gifninja.com/animatedgifs/526213/beasley.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: fonpr on January 02, 2012, 05:43:46 PM
(http://gifninja.com/animatedgifs/526213/beasley.gif)
"Oh, Sh#t, that's my bone?"
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on January 03, 2012, 12:50:52 AM
Kahn made two good moves. He got Ricky Rubio and Rick Adelman -- the most heralded young European player of all-time who proved himself against the US Olympic Team and a coach who would have been a hall-of-famer if he got a few breaks that he didn't get. Those aren't exactly no-brainers. Neither is the Williams pick. I actually would have picked Williams over Irving as #1 in the last draft.

But he drafted Jonny Flynn right after Rubio. This is one ahead of Steff Curry and a bunch ahead of Ty Lawson, Jrue Holiday, DeJuan Blair, Omar Casspi and a bunch of other guys who would be great on this roster. That one pick could have given the T-Wolves the best young backcourt in basketball or a really great part of a pretty decent rotation.

The dude signed Darko to a four year deal. DARKO. And then he tried to tell Chris Weber Darko was as good a passer as Vlade Divac. And almost the rest of the roster is made up of interchangeable, mid-tier swingmen and a guy who rooked a team into giving him a huge contract based on a hot playoff run.

Like I said: I love the Wolves and am all about this team. But they're winning in spite of their management, which is part of their allure.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Cotton on January 03, 2012, 02:48:51 PM
DeJuan Blair

Hell, they coulda gotten Blair with that Ellington pick. that draft to me remains one of the most oddly compelling ones in recent history. Those late-1st and mid-2nd round ranges have turned out SO much better than anyone would expect in a "bad draft year"
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on January 03, 2012, 04:25:55 PM
DeJuan Blair

Hell, they coulda gotten Blair with that Ellington pick. that draft to me remains one of the most oddly compelling ones in recent history. Those late-1st and mid-2nd round ranges have turned out SO much better than anyone would expect in a "bad draft year"

I could not agree with you more.

I could not believe DeJuan Blair was not a first round pick. I know he has some knee problems but he had them since high school. He was a really great bruiser big man in college. A lot of scouts say the most translatable stat from college to the NBA is rebounding and Blair can certainly do that. He's better than probably 18 guys who were picked ahead of him.

A really good friend of mine is from Cleveland and I watched the draft with him. He nearly cried when they passed on him. If they grab him, who knows what the Cavs do since their bench/rotation becomes so much stronger.

Paul Milsap also has the same trap. He led the nation in rebounding for three straight years in college and was ridiculously efficient. And while LA Tech isn't a power, they play in the WAC which is far from a low-end college conference. He's one of the best draft picks of all-time considering how far he fell.

Kenneth Farieid is my sleeper this year. He set the all-time record for rebounding in college, was a very efficient low-post scorer and led his team to a very good showing last March, including maybe the most clutch blocked shot in tournament history. And while I'm not big on drafting or signing playoff heroes (Hello, JJ Barea), I do think you can tell a lot about a player in very singular big moments like that. Denver's a really deep team so minutes might be hard to come by but I think he's a steal.

Also: I've watched a ton of Denver this season. Gallo has a surprisingly good all-around game. The shots haven't fallen yet but they're there for him. I had no idea he could create a shot like that. The genius Mike D'Antoni sure knows how to use his talent wisely!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Cotton on January 04, 2012, 05:11:29 PM
I kind of really want the Sixers to go for Cousins, despite knowing how combustible that would be.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on January 06, 2012, 01:49:45 PM
What a weird night of hoops last night!

1) Miami/Atlanta was one of the worst 3OT games in NBA history. However, it featured one awesome thing: The breakout of Ivan Johnson, who may be the scariest looking player in NBA history. Dear lord is that guy frightening. I hope he sticks. The league can use more dudes like this.

2) Dallas is having a REALLY hard time with things. I hope they get it together soon but they're really pressing.

3) Portland/LA was a really fun game. Gerald Wallace is flying up the list of my favorite players. Jamal Crawford's also great to watch. I'm a sucker for guys who come off the bench to be gunners.

4) Kings/Bucks was one of the legit most entertaining games of the year so far. What a storyline! The Kings finally dumped Paul Westphal. They started off strong but fell back into their awful habits of one-on-one play, not passing the ball and not getting back on defense. They fell down by 21... and then, out of nowhere, something clicked. They ran a few set plays, moved the ball, started communicating on d... and they stole a rousing victory against the Bucks. True, they were playing without Bogut. But that's still not a bad team. Brandon Jennings had his "oh, this is why people thing this guy is good" game of the month, too.

I have such a soft spot in my heart for Sacramento.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: buffcoat on January 06, 2012, 03:25:37 PM
Never played a game in the NBA, but this is the scariest player I ever saw:

http://stilespoints.blogspot.com/2010/03/michael-graham-georgetowns-enforcer.html (http://stilespoints.blogspot.com/2010/03/michael-graham-georgetowns-enforcer.html)


Followed by Moses Scurry.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Cotton on January 06, 2012, 03:59:30 PM
this has been cracking me up all morning: http://www.heatfansounds.com/ (http://www.heatfansounds.com/)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Big Plastic Head on January 07, 2012, 11:16:40 AM
this has been cracking me up all morning: http://www.heatfansounds.com/ (http://www.heatfansounds.com/)

That is pretty awesome.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Pregnant Pause on January 10, 2012, 08:28:05 AM
New spirit of Nem 76ers!  Although, I'm already dreading the inevitable 5 year, 45M extension for Spencer Hawes, Vucevic is going to be a pretty close approximation for much cheaper.  Sixers have like 6 games in the next 7 games, so we'll see how things are looking next week, but I haven't been this excited for PHL basketball in a long time. 
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: senorcorazon on January 10, 2012, 09:01:00 AM
this has been cracking me up all morning: http://www.heatfansounds.com/ (http://www.heatfansounds.com/)

That is pretty awesome.

I want this lady to follow me around all day so that when I get a little low energy she can yell out "ALL-RIIIGHT! YOU CAN DO IT!"
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on January 10, 2012, 09:07:57 AM
So I am doing these power rating things again this year

   10-Jan
1   Miami
2   LA Clippers
3   New York
4   Chicago
5   LA Lakers
6   Boston
7   San Antonio
8   Atlanta
9   Dallas
10   Toronto
11   Orlando
12   Oklahoma City
13   Golden State
14   Charlotte
15   Philadelphia
16   Indiana
17   Portland
18   Denver
19   Cleveland
20   Phoenix
21   Utah
22   Minnesota
23   Houston
24   Memphis
25   Detroit
26   New Orleans
27   Sacramento
28   New Jersey
29   Milwaukee
30   Washington
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on January 10, 2012, 10:49:11 AM
I think you explained your system last year (or maybe that was baseball?), but could you give a refresher? Seeing the Knicks at #3 was quite startling.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on January 10, 2012, 11:12:50 AM
Yeah, I'm interested in this too!

In my eyeball test to start the season, the Top teams are so far:

1) Miami. (Playing lights out, unfortunately.)
2) OKC. (The Maynor loss is going to hurt them but Harden's becoming what we thought he would become.)
3) Chicago (D-Rose is somehow even better.)
4) Portland (Gerald Wallace is the most underrated player in the NBA. I *LOVE* this team.)
5) 76ers (Somehow I've seen them the least. But I love their depth. Doug Collins is terrific.)
6) Clips (I'm not sold at ALL and am predicting a giant flame-out.)
7) Lakers (Injuries are going to hurt them but Bynum is ridiculous.)
8) San Antonio (The old guard still have it, despite Manu. They just make smart moves every year and are a joy to watch.)
9) Pacers (I like this team and hope they stick.)
10) Orlando (They play really worried but Ryan Anderson is a MAN.)

Atlanta has a good record but I hate that team. They don't share the ball or play any semblance of defense, save for highlight play blocks. Dallas lost way, way, way more than anyone could have predicted. I really want to go all in on the Nuggets but am on a holding pattern. Boston bores me to tears. Toronto and Utah are strangely decent. Minnesota is the most entertaining team in the league.

THAT IS ALL.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: bananagrabbers on January 10, 2012, 11:23:05 AM
I was bullish on the Sixers before the year started, but they're even exceeding my expectations.  Now that I'm dreaming of a division title, I'm sure they'll fall back to earth.

16 of their next 20 at home, though.  Scheduling mess might allow them time to gain some more attention if they run up a lopsided record.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: buffcoat on January 10, 2012, 02:20:01 PM
I don't follow the NBA very closely, but I have a local interest question.  Why is Charlotte so bad, and why do they seem so incapable of fielding any kind of NBA team?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on January 10, 2012, 03:06:29 PM
I don't follow the NBA very closely, but I have a local interest question.  Why is Charlotte so bad, and why do they seem so incapable of fielding any kind of NBA team?

Charlotte IS capable of fielding an NBA team. Their first team set all kinds of huge attendance records when they started out and had some of the most popular selling merchandise in any sports league of the era. They were a hit from the start and then ended up fielding some very good teams headlined by Larry Johnson, one of the most telegenic stars of his time. (His "Granmama" commercials, for instance.) But then the team soured just as the owner George Shinn completely alienated the community in some sordid affair and the like.

At the same time, Charlotte also has a lot of competition from college basketball, as you probably know. But you have four teams (Duke, UNC, NC State, Wake Forest) in the area with huge followings which date back for generations, along with some other area schools like Charlotte and Davidson which also pop up on the national radar here and there.

The Bobcats have been kind of miserable from the start. They haven't had any "new" factor since they're essentially a replacement team. Their nickname is terrible and alienated the community. There was a "pick the name of the team" contest that they promoted and instead they went with Bobcats at the owner's behest, since his name was Bob.

Now they're led by Michael Jordan who doesn't really have any clue what he's doing as an owner. The team's best player since its return has been Gerald Wallace. I love Gerald Wallace but he's not a megastar who can define a franchise. He's a very good player but not someone to build a team around.

Their roster is filled with nobodies. Their best player is DJ Augustine, a point guard who would start on maybe only three or four other teams. Their most widely known player is probably Boris Diaw who was a very good player on the Phoenix Suns a few years back when they were one of the most exciting teams of the past 20 years. Now, he's about 45 pounds overweight and really doesn't care.

The only other players worth watching are Kemba Walker, a young PG who was the national player of the year in college last year who has shown some flashes of potential. They have another 19-year-old rookie named Bismack Biyombo who has an incredible last name and is from the Congo.

It's not that they're bad. They are bad, but they're not the worst team. But they're easily the most pointless.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: buffcoat on January 10, 2012, 05:38:56 PM
This is the sense I get, that there is no point to their existence.  A bit like the then-Vancouver Grizzlies, maybe.  What if you put an NBA Team in a city and nobody cared.

The George Shinn stuff was just gross.  And I agree that Michael Jordan's track record as an exec leaves a lot to be desired.  They can't even be interestingly bad, like the Clips have been.

And agreed on the Bobcats thing.  One of the most absurdly, obscurely egotistical moves I can remember.  Most people don't know why the team has a stupid nickname; they just know the team has a stupid nickname.

The arena's not bad; I went to see a Final Eight game there a few years ago and liked it ok.  I don't know how it compares to other NBA arenas, but it compares favorably to the RBC Center (especially as the RBC Center has to do such regular double duty) in terms of being oriented around the court.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on January 10, 2012, 10:05:58 PM
It pains me to say it, but the Wolves need Beasley back. His shots are being allocated to players who don't have any business taking any more shots than the ones they shoot now. If he could just use a little better judgement when he comes back about shot selection, the Wolves could be a good team.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on January 11, 2012, 10:01:33 AM
So I am doing these power rating things again this year

   10-Jan
1   Miami
2   LA Clippers
3   New York
4   Chicago
5   LA Lakers
6   Boston
7   San Antonio
8   Atlanta
9   Dallas
10   Toronto
11   Orlando
12   Oklahoma City
13   Golden State
14   Charlotte
15   Philadelphia
16   Indiana
17   Portland
18   Denver
19   Cleveland
20   Phoenix
21   Utah
22   Minnesota
23   Houston
24   Memphis
25   Detroit
26   New Orleans
27   Sacramento
28   New Jersey
29   Milwaukee
30   Washington

This year I am using a simple variation on classic spelling bee rankings. If you beat someone ahead of you, you move up. If you lose to someone behind you, there's about an 80% chance you're going to drop. If you have the day off, you drift close to where you are according to whether others move ahead or behind you. I am doing this as an experiment to see if it improves predictively as the season goes on. In the first full week, it missed 29 times. In the second full week, it missed 21 times, but 2 weeks is certainly not statistical evidence.

In the past I have used a more scientific method of pairwise comparisons in an iterative system. In that system, every result has an effect on every team, but if this version works just as well, it's much easier to update. The new method will respond more quickly to winning and losing streaks than the more scientific version. I think that may be good.

The surprising Knicks sild into the top slot last night with Miami and Clippers losses.

Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on January 12, 2012, 10:14:29 AM
I went to Sixers/Knicks last night.

I can't say enough good things about the Sixers. They didn't have their legs last night (every missed shot was short) but they have absolutely no quit in them. They were down 17 and made it really tight at the end.

Every player does a little bit of something on the court. Lou Williams is a very good approximation of Manu, save he doesn't have the court vision but knows how to play.

Evan Turner is nice. He finds a way to do things that contribute.

They don't have that one guy who can take over a game scoring. If they had a Kevin Martin or Monta Ellis type, they'd be a title contender. Of course, to get a guy like that they'd have to give up a piece. But they have the depth to make a move.

I hate this Knicks team. I'm predicting a public Melo/Amare argument within the next six weeks. They ran Melo as a point last night. That's fine and everything since he's a terrific isolation player and that gives him an easy look. But he just does not like to pass the ball at all. He called his own number a bunch of times last night. Also, he's not a great passer in a set. I don't have a lot of faith in him getting the ball to Amare in the right spot.

Shumpert's got a lot of energy. Chandler's a monster in the paint. They're going to need him to stay on the court though since they don't have anyone who can keep a guard out of the lane and Melo/Amare aren't defenders.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: gravy boat on January 12, 2012, 10:51:33 AM
Greggulator, I'd love your predictions for:

- When Eddy Curry plays a minute for the Heat
- How many games this year he plays more than 12 minutes
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on January 12, 2012, 11:48:38 AM
1) They play the Wizards and are up by 40 with three minutes to go.

2) Zero.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on January 12, 2012, 01:20:02 PM
Watching Joakim Noah this season makes me super sad.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on January 15, 2012, 01:10:41 PM
I ended my Saturday night watching the second half of Lakers/Clippers.

This was a really high-spirited game.

I can't believe I'm saying this since I spent most of my career hating his every move, but there is nobody I'm enjoying watching more than Kobe. (On top of being a total douche, Kobe was headed to my beloved La Salle before going to the NBA, and if he went there Rip Hamilton was supposedly going to join him, and my college experience would have been exponentially better, but it was pretty great so I'm being dumb.)

He's just so much smarter than everyone else playing basketball right now. He gets in position constantly and, on top, he still has his ruthlessness. He's made up for the pounding on his body by constantly working on new quirks to his game. Nobody works harder than he does and it shows.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on January 15, 2012, 01:19:32 PM
Also, I hung out this week with somebody who has worked on NBA on TNT and has met a ton of players. He said:

1) The three on-air guys are as great off-camera as they are on and are wonderful people. Barkley is exactly what you think -- he's larger-than-life and gets pissed if anyone pays for anything in his presence. Before they became rightly hailed as the greatest sports studio show of all-time, they won a shocking Emmy. Charles was there for that and was more thrilled than the tech guys. The ceremony was in NY and he made a phone call and rented out some night club on the spur of the moment and told everyone to bring friends and family.

2) Kobe Bryant, to anyone's shock, is a solid dude. Kobe's always professional with shoots and knows every camera/tech person's name and is super giving with his time. What he does off-the-court he's not really privvy too, but Kobe got married super young and made mistakes like any other human. But Kobe's a great dude.

3) Chris Bosh is another really great guy and is super obsessed with gaming. He's got a weird sense of humor that's really dry. Another great guy is Caron Butler. People love that dude throughout the league. Other good guys are pretty much everyone on the beloved Suns team, Dirk and Melo. Melo's into the glam lifestyle but is super laid back.

4) Le Bron has always been a douche and has just gotten worse. D-Wade used to be an awesone guy but as soon as he won his ring  became a douche.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on January 15, 2012, 01:23:33 PM
Also:

* NBA players are just like any other person when they're in their 20s. They love to go out and have a good time. But, because of their visibility, they have all sorts of attention and people never leave them alone. Also, a lot of players -- especially the guys from the more disadvantaged backgrounds -- constantly get hit up by people (distant family members, neighborhood dudes) for money. More players have become savvy about this and don't just hand out money anymore.

* Shaq's a nice guy but is very cagey in terms of what he says to who. This isn't shocking.

* AI was rumored to have spent $1 million a month during his prime.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: wood and iron on January 15, 2012, 02:06:55 PM
I don't know why it pleases me so much to hear when celebrities and sports figures are good people. I guess we've just come to be so predisoposed to think of them as being cynical, spoiled, and snobby that it's refreshing when we hear of people who appreciate what life and talent has given them.

Regarding Lebron being a douche: that seems obvious. But that seems to happen when you become famous and rich as a young person. I think the theory that you stay the same age you are when you become famous.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Chris L on January 15, 2012, 02:14:34 PM
Another great guy is Caron Butler. People love that dude throughout the league.

This doesn't surprise me. One time when Butler was playing for the Wizards, a teenage fan posted on his Facebook page or something that it was his birthday and invited him to his party. He showed up at the kid's house in suburban DC that same night with some presents.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on January 15, 2012, 05:54:11 PM
I would have never thought that about Kobe. He seems like a grump who doesn't allow anybody near him and is full of himself. I don't like his personality on the court but he wins and you can't fault that. I really don't like what I saw during a timeout earlier this year- Kobe coaching his teammates while Mike Brown just stood and watched. Maybe that was a one time thing and there was a reason behind it. I haven't seen much of the Lakers this year. If that's the truth about Kobe though, I'm glad to hear it.

I have to say that TNT shouldn't have brought Shaq on board. Maybe he'll get more comfortable, but he's kind of bringing it down a notch and not meshing with Barkley very well. It's still the best around and I'm really surprised because I thought he'd be a natural fit.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on January 15, 2012, 08:33:59 PM
Where is C-Webb these days? It seems like Shaq pushed him out, ala Leno pushing out Conan.

Thanks for the rundown of insider-y gossip, Gregg. I'm a touch surprised by Kobe's politeness to the peons. It seems like he's grown a bit since the 2007 Esquire interview, wherein he came across -- not mean -- but very closed off and insular.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on January 15, 2012, 09:26:55 PM
Where is C-Webb these days? It seems like Shaq pushed him out, ala Leno pushing out Conan.

Thanks for the rundown of insider-y gossip, Gregg. I'm a touch surprised by Kobe's politeness to the peons. It seems like he's grown a bit since the 2007 Esquire interview, wherein he came across -- not mean -- but very closed off and insular.

C-Webb's on the NBA TV recap show and is STYLISH. He dresses like a lit professor.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on January 16, 2012, 05:22:29 AM
Monday Power Rating update: 1) Chicago 2) Clippers 3) Lakers 4) Dallas 5) Indiana 6) Boston 7) Orlando 8) Miami 9) New York 10) Oklahoma City 11) San Antonio 12) Atlanta 13) Utah 14) Denver 15) Golden State 16) Houston 17) Portland 18) Philadelphia 19) Toronto 20) Charlotte 21) Memphis 22) Cleveland 23) Detroit 24) Minnesota 25) Sacramento 26) New Jersey 27) Phoenix 28) Milwaukee 29) Washington 30) New Orleans
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on January 17, 2012, 10:03:45 AM
I love Utah.

I hadn't paid any attention to them because I thought they'd be pretty bad since they're so young and Ty Corbin doesn't have much experience. But they're a REALLY good, feisty team.

They're running that same old offense they've seemingly run since The Hooters dominated the charts. And, despite the youth and new people, they're running it just as they always have.

Paul Millsap's a warrior. I've always enjoyed watching him play. When his mid-range jumper is falling, he's as good as any interior player in the league. He should actually look for his shot more than he does.

Al Jefferson's a quietly great player. If you take out his first two years on the Celtics, he's averaging somewhere around 19.5 and 10 boards and is efficient doing so.

The only downfall of this team is inconsistency from the rest of the team.  Their third leading scorer is Josh Howard. They also haven't gotten a thing from Devin Harris yet.

But I really like Gordon Hayward and Derrick Favors. If those guys make any sort of leap this year, and Harris picks up, I could see them stealing a series.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Omar on January 17, 2012, 10:12:14 AM
Roy Hibbert seems like a fine young man.  He is my favorite player.  My second favorite player is Gregory Monroe.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on January 17, 2012, 01:01:16 PM
Wait, who in the Wide World of Sports thinks the Celtics are the 6th best team?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Cotton on January 17, 2012, 09:42:45 PM
As much as I love onscreen Shaq, that article that came out a little while back about him being a creepy internet stalker really soured me on him. Mostly because I can see a lot of it being true.

I have a friend who used to work for NBAtv and she was filming Kobe in Philly complain about Iverson (she told me he called him a "little shit"). When he saw this, he threw chalk at her and her camera, which almost got her fired.

Oh yeah, and when the All-Star game was in Philly, Iverson threw a big party at the Academy of Natural Sciences (Philly's natural history museum). My wife used to work there and was told that A) at one point he dislocated the jaw of a T. Rex "dunking" on it and B) that the "Kids Dig" exhibit had been turned into a giant weed ashtray.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on January 17, 2012, 09:51:54 PM
As much as I love onscreen Shaq, that article that came out a little while back about him being a creepy internet stalker really soured me on him. Mostly because I can see a lot of it being true.

Link? You've piqued my interest, sir!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Cotton on January 18, 2012, 12:20:04 AM
http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2011-09-22/news/shaquille-o-neal-wages-war-against-shawn-darling-an-ex-con-computer-geek/ (http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2011-09-22/news/shaquille-o-neal-wages-war-against-shawn-darling-an-ex-con-computer-geek/)

It's a long read, and I'm not even sure it's the same article I saw in September, but it was a-creepy.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on January 18, 2012, 01:07:43 AM
Oh, wow, thanks. I had no idea. It's funny, too, because I was just re-reading for the umpteenth time the Free Darko book essay on Shaq, and how he's actually a really conniving guy with a mean streak.

Still, it's hard to argue with his 2000-2001 season. But then, I'm a Laker fan. I look past A LOT of stuff.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on January 19, 2012, 04:45:46 PM
That Shaq article is insane! I had no idea!

I'm so glad OKC locked up Russ. Hopefully, now, everyone will put the divide between him and KD meme to bed. And, hopefully, everyone will remember Russ is 23 and has been playing PG for only a few years. He's already an All-NBA player AND also has the league's best scorer on his team. That doesn't happen without a good PG. I love OKC, even though I think I could contract the hantavirus from their mascot.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Andy on January 19, 2012, 08:28:15 PM
Westbrook is a pretty divisive figure in Okc, especially given Harden's popularity. I like that they signed him up. I don't know a ton about basketball, but I like his ability to create opportunities off penetration and I think when he figures out that he can be a superstar without being a scoring machine, his shot selection will improve (which is the main complain people have.)

I hate to lose Harden in a couple yeats though, which seems inevitable now.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on January 20, 2012, 04:39:01 AM
OKC was lucky that they didn't have to sign both of them under the new labor agreement. The Timberwolves are in a situation where they are going to have to designate Love as their max player and not be able to give Rubio the max 5 when his contract comes.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: JON IN PHL on January 20, 2012, 10:40:22 AM
Hey Greggulator, I'm really digging your contributions to this thread. I'm a big Sixers fan with no cable television so my enjoyment of their season thus far has been limited to reading recaps and gazing longingly at the box score. In your opinion, is the team as strong as their 10-4 record appears? Or will they revert back to the mean - an 8-seed / one-and-done in the playoffs? I really hope they're the real deal because I love watching Collins work with these guys. They have alot of youth, but no real knuckleheads, and there is tons to be excited about.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on January 20, 2012, 12:14:51 PM
Hey Greggulator, I'm really digging your contributions to this thread. I'm a big Sixers fan with no cable television so my enjoyment of their season thus far has been limited to reading recaps and gazing longingly at the box score. In your opinion, is the team as strong as their 10-4 record appears? Or will they revert back to the mean - an 8-seed / one-and-done in the playoffs? I really hope they're the real deal because I love watching Collins work with these guys. They have alot of youth, but no real knuckleheads, and there is tons to be excited about.

I haven't seen them a ton because we have Direct TV and I refuse to give my money to Comcast, aside from the tax breaks our beloved city has already given them.

I think they're a really good team. Their record has been built off of playing the dregs of the NBA but they're blowing everyone out. That's a strong indicator that they're for real.

Every player has been put in the right spot. No one's being asked to do more than they're capable of. J'Rue Holiday's already emerging as a really terrific player.

I also love the new owners. They're really trying to make the team part of the city again.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on January 20, 2012, 05:45:30 PM
I'm sort of curious about the Sixers, too. I think it's important that the NBA have a good-to-great team in Philly, seeing as how it's such a great sports town.

I suppose we'll know if they're for real once they play the West. LAL, LAC, Utah, Denver, Portland, OKC will make or break them.

In other news... is anyone willing to take a 7-foot tall Spanish F/C off my hands? I'm willing to throw in a 24-year-old legit 7'1" center with great defensive skills and a growing offense. All I want back is an elite PG, a bench, and a SF... *sigh*

Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on January 20, 2012, 11:36:50 PM
Forget what I said about Sixers needing to come West and prove themselves against the Lakers. Lakers are done. "It's over, Johnny."
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on January 22, 2012, 10:40:28 PM
Another week's gone by: (Assuming the Lakers beat the Pacers tonight) 1) Dallas 2) Chicago 3) Orlando 4) Lakers 5) Clippers 6) Indiana 7) Boston 8) Oklahoma City 9) Houston 10) Miami 11) San Antonio 12) Utah 13) Denver 14) Philadelphia 15) Atlanta 16) Memphis 17) Sacramento 18) New York 19) Golden State 20) Toronto 21) Minnesota 22) Portland 23) Phoenix 24) Milwaukee 25) Detroit 26) Cleveland 27) New Jersey 28) Charlotte 29) Washington 30) New Orleans
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on January 23, 2012, 10:12:15 AM
I watched Indy/Lakers last night.

This was the most I've watched Indy this season. That's a pretty good team. I absolutely LOVE Roy Hibbert.

I love the trend of solid, starless (I'm not counting Granger as a star) teams who are very enjoyable to watch.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Cotton on January 23, 2012, 04:36:51 PM
Yeah, Hibbert's just one of those guys you root for, sometimes without even knowing why.

re: Sixers, I'd love if Hawes and the rookie can stay in the lineup, I've been really impressed with them so far. Jrue Holiday (who is one of my favorite players in the league) has been frustrating to watch just because of his shot attempts and whole games where he doesn't distribute. That second part is a minor thing on a team where you have 5 guys that can run the point, but it bothers me that Turner and Williams are both making much better shot-making decisions, where Jrue has some nights where I can't figure out what he's thinking.

Ryen Russillo (who is probably my favorite basketball podcast guy with apologies to the Greggulator) spent a bit talking about them on the NBA Today podcast and summed up my feelings about them pretty well: Their D is absolutely amazing, but their offense just won't be able to stay at the level they opened the season on. They've already slipped a bit, but hopefully once Hawes comes back they'll at least have a bit more consistency.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: gravy boat on January 23, 2012, 06:13:03 PM
Took my kids to the Nets-Bobcats game last night.  It was the same time as the Giants NFL game so the crowd, always lean to begin with, was mighty thin.  (Of course, this also let me get tickets for about the price of a box of ramen noodles on StubHub.)

 I don't know if it was the lack of bodies to absorb the sound waves, but the PA system was booming. I have been to concerts that wish they were as loud. And there was no one in the place. Unsettling.  Anyway, after a few minutes, one of my 4 year-old's starts crying about the noise.  He would not stop crying and I realized the PA system was not stopping either, so we left before the first quarter even ended.  On the way out, we passed the fuzzy mascot (some type of animal) in the hall who ran up to my sons for a "low-five" -- my son who had been crying earlier was so shaken at that point that he just turned and jumped at me, screaming in terror.  In the end, we got what we paid for.  This will all play better in Brooklyn, where I do hope they become a force.

Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on January 24, 2012, 10:04:20 AM
I absolutely LOVE Roy Hibbert.

I love that he's friends with Ben Schwartz after his guest spot on Parks.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Cotton on January 27, 2012, 02:01:31 PM
Apparently he's a Tim & Eric fan also: https://twitter.com/#!/Hoya2aPacer/status/162420876787191808


side question: What are the best nicknames for current NBA players?

I love Gerald Wallace as "Crash", but Tyler Hansbrough's "Psycho T" might be my favorite of all time. Guess that's most of a college name.

Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on January 28, 2012, 01:00:10 PM
You guys should check out Matt Bonner's "Coach B" stuff. It's really surreal. I have inside sources who say he's a big Tim and Eric fan. He also may or may not have listened to The Best Show.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Rick in Salt Lake on January 28, 2012, 04:45:34 PM
Another week's gone by: (Assuming the Lakers beat the Pacers tonight) 1) Dallas 2) Chicago 3) Orlando 4) Lakers 5) Clippers 6) Indiana 7) Boston 8) Oklahoma City 9) Houston 10) Miami 11) San Antonio 12) Utah 13) Denver 14) Philadelphia 15) Atlanta 16) Memphis 17) Sacramento 18) New York 19) Golden State 20) Toronto 21) Minnesota 22) Portland 23) Phoenix 24) Milwaukee 25) Detroit 26) Cleveland 27) New Jersey 28) Charlotte 29) Washington 30) New Orleans

I'm not sure the Jazz's record isn't inflated as they played almost all of January at home. I suspect over the next few months, when they play more road games, they'll level off somewhere around 500.

On the post game show last night one of the Jazz players admitted that they sometimes just stand around and watch Millsap and Jefferson. Not a good sign...
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on January 29, 2012, 02:27:21 AM
Oh, my God. This Lakers season is so painful and boring. It's like they're the Knicks now. Still, at least the Celtics are doing-- oh, wait. Now, they're blowing out good teams short-handed.

Sigh.  I better go buy that Deandre Jordan Clippers jersey.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on January 30, 2012, 11:37:18 AM
James Harden rules.

Everyone knew OKC was going to be great this year, and that Harden was likely going to have a breakout year. But what he's been doing in his minutes on the court is mindboggling. The player he most reminds me of is Manu Ginobili, who is one of my all-time favorite players.

He's in his third year and he's already at what Manu's pretty much averaged his entire career. Who knows if he'll keep it up but I can't see him slipping too much.

They're both so incredibly charismatic on the court. They're a bit different -- Manu's so great at finding odd angles whereas Harden's just a total force of nature. His haircut perfectly matches his game.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Drew D on January 30, 2012, 11:59:11 AM
I love that Harden is doing well...I remember a lot of people thought he might be a bust, but I thought he had such a different game than the rest of that group of college stars.

-Anyone else think that the end of the Heat-Bulls game was compeltely bonkers?  That jump ball after the weird double whistle, the missed free throws, nuts.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on January 31, 2012, 05:53:55 AM
Here's what my power ranking metric's got this week

1   Indiana
2   Miami
3   Chicago
4   Dallas
5   LA Clippers
6   Boston
7   Oklahoma City
8   LA Lakers
9   Denver
10   Minnesota
11   Houston
12   Atlanta
13   Orlando
14   Golden State
15   San Antonio
16   Utah
17   Portland
18   Toronto
19   Philadelphia
20   Milwaukee
21   Sacramento
22   Cleveland
23   Phoenix
24   Memphis
25   New Jersey
26   New York
27   New Orleans
28   Detroit
29   Washington
30   Charlotte

It's still not perfect, but I've got evidence that it's learning. So watch out, NBA playoff poolers.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Pregnant Pause on January 31, 2012, 08:31:39 AM
You don't realize how horrible Orlando's supporting cast is until you watch them.  Larry Hughes, Chris Duhon, Q, Big Baby, Hedo, good God.  Otis Smith has done a terrible job.  That Gortat for Hedo trade looks worse everyday. 
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: JON IN PHL on January 31, 2012, 10:22:32 AM
You don't realize how horrible Orlando's supporting cast is until you watch them.  Larry Hughes, Chris Duhon, Q, Big Baby, Hedo, good God.  Otis Smith has done a terrible job.  That Gortat for Hedo trade looks worse everyday.

Wait...do they really have Larry Hughes? How did Otis lure him out of whatever cave he has been huddled in for the last 5 years?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Pregnant Pause on January 31, 2012, 03:09:17 PM
You don't realize how horrible Orlando's supporting cast is until you watch them.  Larry Hughes, Chris Duhon, Q, Big Baby, Hedo, good God.  Otis Smith has done a terrible job.  That Gortat for Hedo trade looks worse everyday.

Wait...do they really have Larry Hughes? How did Otis lure him out of whatever cave he has been huddled in for the last 5 years?

As Tom McGinnis said last night, the Smoothie from St. Louis is in the building.  Shooting 22% with 10 turnovers is 100 minutes.  Way to entice Howard to stay Otis Smith. 
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: buffcoat on January 31, 2012, 05:31:26 PM
Charlotte is now the worst team in the league by a wide margin.  Congratulations, Wizards!

It's the story of how a once proudly mediocre and simply unnecessary franchise became a possible challenger - I've seen teams with even worse starts that seemed to have more heart - for one of the worst teams in NBA history.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on January 31, 2012, 07:51:15 PM
Sometimes, late at night, when I'm not having friendly laundry-folding dreams about Jon Wurster, I think about contracting the Bobcats.  The only problem is I can't come up with another team to do away with in order to get an even 28. I guess the Hornets, though I'd love to see them move to Seattle.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on February 01, 2012, 03:24:10 PM
I've watched almost every Wolves game this year and the ball is moving around like I've never seen in MN even when Garnett was here. Yet, they still are close to last in assist ratio while improving in almost every other Hollinger stat from last year. I can't wrap my head around this especially when Beasley has been out so nobody is there to stop the ball from moving.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on February 01, 2012, 05:11:32 PM
Sometimes, late at night, when I'm not having friendly laundry-folding dreams about Jon Wurster, I think about contracting the Bobcats.  The only problem is I can't come up with another team to do away with in order to get an even 28. I guess the Hornets, though I'd love to see them move to Seattle.

Contracting might help a bit in terms of talent. But one of the things I love the most about the NBA is that they're not afraid to have teams located in cities with no other franchises. And they almost ALWAYS work!

To wit:
1) Portland's sold out pretty much every game they ever had, save for the Jailblazers years where fans stayed away for fear of having a player kill them.

2) Utah's been a model franchise and hasn't been dreadful in eons. They might not always be a playoff team, and they haven't been a contender in a while, but they're never awful.

3) San Antonio is *THE* model franchise of the past 15 years.

4) OKC is everyone's favorite team and are poised to go on a huge run for the next half decade.

5) Sacramento's hit hard times but they were everyone's favorite team fora  few years. Orlando always does fairly well attendance wise, even in lean years, and will do so even after Dwight leaves. And Memphis has done well with their recent run of success.

The NBA was apparently looking at a team going to Louisville within the past few years. They have a new arena and Kentucky loves basketball. It's actually kind of weird that they don't have a team there, being that the Kentucky Colonels were a great franchise in the ABA but didn't move on to the NBA (I think because the owner ended up grabbing the Celtics for a few years but I forget that part of Loose Balls.) There are also places like Hampton Roads and Las Vegas which could have a team.

And then there's also Seattle, Vancouver, Kansas City and Anaheim with arenas already in place ready for a team.

Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Cotton on February 02, 2012, 02:38:57 PM
last night was probably the happiest I've been as a Sixers fan since St. Patrick's Day in '09 when the Sixers beat the Lakers on an Iguodala buzzer beater..
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on February 02, 2012, 11:00:26 PM
Re: Sixers

It's very exciting for me to read this thread as just an NBA fan and see all the East Coast passion. I must admit that growing up a West Coast guy I've always suffered a reverse bias, where I see everything only through the prism of Lakers/Suns/Blazers/Spurs/Jazz, etc.

Not unlike Quatto in Total Recall, you're all helping me to open my mind!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: nec13 on February 02, 2012, 11:58:11 PM
The Knicks' season is going down the proverbial turlet. What a disappointment.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on February 03, 2012, 12:04:23 AM
Well, on the bright side, it's going to be a deep draft. Plus, Kobe comes to town in a few days. That's something!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on February 03, 2012, 07:52:59 AM
The Knicks' season is going down the proverbial turlet. What a disappointment.

This pains me to say this but Mike D'Antoni and Carmelo Anthony are both total frauds.

Those Seven Seconds or Less teams meant so much to me. They really made the NBA a lot of fun again aesthetically. There was a big gap from the Sacramento Kings to the Suns, with Dallas being the only in-between, but they weren't as much fun as those two teams. That time period between the Sixers finals team and the 7 Seconds team was dominated by the Pistons/Nets/Spurs/Lakers. And they were all really uninteresting. The Nets had J-Kidd at his best but, aside from a few highlight plays, were really boring. So were the Pistons, as admirable as they were. And I really appreciate the Spurs (best run franchise in the NBA) but didn't at the time.

D'Antoni's Phoenix teams made go from watching games on TNT/ESPN/local to having my plans revolve around NBA games.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Tom Scharpling on February 03, 2012, 08:20:47 AM
Carmelo is hardly a fraud. He is the best scorer in the league but needs a strong system for once in his life.

D'Antoni is the fraud, coaching the team like he's still got Nash running the point. His days are numbered and it can't come soon enough.

And this season is half a joke anyway - the schedule is inherently unfair to older teams, there have been so many injuries and the first month of the 'season' was a glorified training camp.

And Sixers fans shouldn't get too celebratory about that Bulls victory since they're wildly overrated - a team with 1 1/2 players who barely beat the Knicks the next night.

Tom.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on February 03, 2012, 09:25:22 AM
It's also a team missing their best defender and 2nd best player.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on February 03, 2012, 10:59:34 AM
Carmelo is hardly a fraud. He is the best scorer in the league but needs a strong system for once in his life.

D'Antoni is the fraud, coaching the team like he's still got Nash running the point. His days are numbered and it can't come soon enough.

And this season is half a joke anyway - the schedule is inherently unfair to older teams, there have been so many injuries and the first month of the 'season' was a glorified training camp.

And Sixers fans shouldn't get too celebratory about that Bulls victory since they're wildly overrated - a team with 1 1/2 players who barely beat the Knicks the next night.

Tom.

Melo the best scorer in the league? Are you nuts or are you forgetting America's Sweetheart Kevin Durant?

I wish the Pistons picked up Melo. He would have had to fit into an already established team which wouldn't put up with his dumb shot selection and complete and total lack of defense. He's great when he drives to the rim but he settles for so many bad shots.

There might be 15 players I'd rather have than Melo.

The Nuggets record without him is very telling.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on February 03, 2012, 12:09:28 PM
Yeah, I agree with 4/5 of Tom's points, but Carmelo being the best scorer in the league seems to fly in the face of current reality.

Durant, LeBron, and Kobe are all more effective and efficient this season. Hell, if I had needed a bunch of points right this second, I might even take Chris Paul over any of those three, let alone Melo.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: gravy boat on February 03, 2012, 12:12:28 PM
Carmelo is hardly a fraud. He is the best scorer in the league but needs a strong system for once in his life.

D'Antoni is the fraud, coaching the team like he's still got Nash running the point. His days are numbered and it can't come soon enough.

And this season is half a joke anyway - the schedule is inherently unfair to older teams, there have been so many injuries and the first month of the 'season' was a glorified training camp.

And Sixers fans shouldn't get too celebratory about that Bulls victory since they're wildly overrated - a team with 1 1/2 players who barely beat the Knicks the next night.

Tom.

D'Antoni is a bad coach and is on the thinnest of ice but with that nutball owner, I'd be worried about who comes next. 

I think that the whole thing about "older" teams being prejudiced is bunk.  We're talking slight differences in ages among young athletes.  I'd like to commission Dave from Knoxville to study whether older teams are doing worse than young teams.  I doubt they are.  I do think the compressed travel schedule has got to be a bear and makes the season kind of screwy.  Not sure if that falls unfairly on any teams though.

I am still on the Memphis bandwagon.  That is a scrappy team and Gasol and Mayo have been great.  Hope they get Zach Randolph back this year.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on February 03, 2012, 12:43:34 PM
I think some old teams like Boston, San An, and Dallas have even been at a slight advantage, as they returned with intact systems and mostly the same personnel.

The Lakers, on the other hand, returned with a key missing cog (Lamar), new coach, and new system. Now, why the Lakers High Command failed to anticipate the Lockout and the subsequent lack of training camp time needed to implement a new system, and didn't just hire Brian Shaw and keep the Triangle, thus returning in a lockout-shortened season with a distinct advantage over other teams, is a mystery to all but the guy in charge of greasing Jim Buss's ducktail each morning.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on February 03, 2012, 02:27:33 PM
I don't see Carmelo as the best scorer in the league, either, certainly not the most efficient. Anybody that takes as many shots as he does should be averaging arounf 28 ppg, instead of his 23.8. Only Kobe Bryant has missed more shots than Carmelo, and they are a close 1 - 2.

As for efficiency as scorers, I would go with LeBron, Dwight Howard, Gortat, Blake Griffin, Bosh, Andrew Bynum, LaMarcus Aldridge, Boozer, Steve Nash, Durant.

Carmelo's also having a tough year with 3-pointers. Best three point shooters to date are Ray Allen, Ryan Anderson, Richard Jefferson, Mario Chalmers, Paul George, Turkoglu, Redick, Pearce, Chris Paul, OJ Mayo.

Melo's taken 83 3-pointers. The average NBA player taking 83 would have hit 31 of them; Carmelo's hit 25.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Tom Scharpling on February 03, 2012, 03:48:59 PM
Carmelo can score from anywhere in every possible way. He might not be the best shooter like Durant, but he has more options and creates more difficult matchups than anybody else in the game from an offensive standpoint. I like Durant more than Melo as someone to root for, but I would take Melo over KD down low any day of the week.

Don't let the Knicks current record or his FG% distract you from the guy's actual ability. This team blows, but that doesn't distract from Carmelo's wide-ranging skill set.

Tom.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on February 03, 2012, 04:19:39 PM
Alright, now I'm stuck thinking about Melo. What was his best game of the last couple years? Time to hit up BBreference...
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: nec13 on February 03, 2012, 04:58:08 PM
Alright, now I'm stuck thinking about Melo. What was his best game of the last couple years? Time to hit up BBreference...

http://espn.go.com/nba/recap/_/id/310207007/houston-rockets-vs-denver-nuggets (http://espn.go.com/nba/recap/_/id/310207007/houston-rockets-vs-denver-nuggets)

Melo dropped 50 on the Rockets one year ago.

I think gravy boat hit upon a good point. While D'Antoni is certainly worthy of being terminated, I have no confidence that Jim Dolan will bring in the right guy to replace him. (See: Isiah Thomas)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: InspectorHound on February 04, 2012, 11:06:34 PM
So, Jeremy Lin...
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Tom Scharpling on February 05, 2012, 01:39:53 AM
Someone please tell me who the best scorer in the league is if it's not Melo.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on February 05, 2012, 11:09:43 AM
Someone please tell me who the best scorer in the league is if it's not Melo.

LeBron, KD and Kobe, clearly.

I also think that, by the end of the year, Kevin Love will be clearly better than 'Melo as a scorer. He has a better outside game already.

Maybe even Aldridge, too.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on February 05, 2012, 12:42:21 PM
Carmelo is a ball stopper, his shots don't come within the flow of the game and his teammates just end up watching him try to create a shot. It's like watching a game from the early 00's where you had a player on almost every team like that. I used to feel the same way about Kobe too, but he either changed and let his shots come to him or I just was watching the wrong games because I don't see it anymore. Carmelo can't play team defense either, he's always trying to make his own decisions outside of the defensive scheme set up and because of that the entire defensive stand falls apart. He has no idea what it means to be a team player.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Tom Scharpling on February 05, 2012, 02:54:03 PM
Gilly -

I am not talking about his ability as a team player. I am talking about his ability to score from anywhere on the floor however he wants.

Greggulator -

If you think Kevin Love has the ability to score in the variety of ways that Melo does, you need your head examined.

Maybe my definition of 'best' is what's causing the friction here. Does 'most versatile' make it clearer?

Tom.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on February 05, 2012, 03:25:02 PM
You need retinal surgery if you don't think Kevin Love has been great. He's a better outside shooter than Melo and has a pretty great post game. He's starting to work more from the elbow, too. He's more than just putbacks.

Melo's awesome going to the rim but he's also one of the "best" at taking ill-advised fadeaway jump shots with 16 seconds left on the shot clock about two inchest from the three line.

D-Wade has a better arsenal than Melo. He's a better finisher and is terrific posting on other guards.

I was harsh in calling Melo a fraud but he's not the most versatile scorer in basketball.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on February 05, 2012, 03:35:00 PM
I'd still argue that Lebron and Kobe are better scorers, but at least Carmelo belongs in the conversation. He has been cold this year- he's normally a 46% shooter and he's a little below 40% this year... and he's always taken the worst shot imaginable at certain times, especially clutch like Greggulator was saying because he needs to be the one to shoot it. That falls into the team player thing again, but it has to account for something when considering the great shooters, right? If you don't have the ability to call a bad shot a bad shot, you just aren't a great shooter.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Tom Scharpling on February 05, 2012, 03:37:55 PM
Who said Kevin Love hasn't been great? Of course he has.

You make a good point with Wade but his height limits him in his options. Melo's height advantage lets him match up against bigger guys and smaller guys alike.

This point is futile and I regret arguing about it because it's everything I hate about sports - ranking guys, the difference between 'good' and 'great', etcl blah blah blah. It's Mike Francesa stuff.

I have my opinions, you have yours. We're all on the same team here.

Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on February 05, 2012, 05:39:22 PM
Hey Tom,

Again, my only point with Carmelo is that he misses at one of the fastest rates in the league. If you shoot ten crazy shots and 3 happen to go in, they don't show the 7 misses on Sportscenter.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: fonpr on February 05, 2012, 05:47:23 PM
they don't show the 7 misses on Sportscenter.

Liberal media?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on February 05, 2012, 06:06:02 PM
Hey Tom,

Again, my only point with Carmelo is that he misses at one of the fastest rates in the league. If you shoot ten crazy shots and 3 happen to go in, they don't show the 7 misses on Sportscenter.

That was a point I was going to make, but I wanted to verify what I thought to be true and it's not. His field goal percentage has been as good, if not better than all of the other guys who consistently are at the top of the league in scoring. This year, his shooting has been off but it doesn't match up to his career percentages. He can score the ball, no doubt.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on February 05, 2012, 06:15:25 PM
Changing it to "Most Versatile" sits much better with me. Tom's right about the "best" stuff being silly and counter-productive, because it's so arbitrary (unless we start busting out "advanced stats," but I hate those for basketball because they never seem to match the reality of the action on the court).

So, yeah, I'd say, before this mess of a season Carmelo was probably the most versatile scorer in the league. Inside, outside, crunch-time, run-and-gun, grind-it-out, etc.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on February 05, 2012, 09:44:11 PM
Sports debates are one of the big reasons I watch them! I can definitely just watch basketball because I love the game... I spent the last decade watching the Wolves without anybody to talk to who could care less. But, I love breaking down stats and watching games and telling people why my favorite players are great and their favorite players are garbage...
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on February 05, 2012, 10:11:47 PM
Hey Tom,

Again, my only point with Carmelo is that he misses at one of the fastest rates in the league. If you shoot ten crazy shots and 3 happen to go in, they don't show the 7 misses on Sportscenter.

That was a point I was going to make, but I wanted to verify what I thought to be true and it's not. His field goal percentage has been as good, if not better than all of the other guys who consistently are at the top of the league in scoring. This year, his shooting has been off but it doesn't match up to his career percentages. He can score the ball, no doubt.

I can go with that, I didn't look at anything other than this year.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on February 06, 2012, 05:39:09 AM
NBA Rankings! 1) Boston 2) Miami 3) Indiana 4) Chicago 5) San Antonio 6) Oklahoma City 7) Dallas 8) Clippers 9) Orlando 10) Minnesota 11) Lakers 12) Houston 13) Utah 14) Sacramento 15) Denver 16) Golden State 17) Philadelphia 18) Portland 19) Memphis 20) Atlanta 21) Cleveland 22) Toronto 23) Detroit 24) Milwaukee 25) Phoenix 26) New York 27) New Jersey 28) New Orleans 29) Washington 30) Charlotte
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on February 06, 2012, 06:01:25 AM
"This point is futile and I regret arguing about it because it's everything I hate about sports - ranking guys, the difference between 'good' and 'great', etcl blah blah blah. It's Mike Francesa stuff. "

Uh oh.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on February 06, 2012, 09:52:22 PM
To steal from Tom...

This Lakers team is pure garbage. What a bunch of washed-up fossils.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: nec13 on February 06, 2012, 10:05:24 PM
To steal from Tom...

This Lakers team is pure garbage. What a bunch of washed-up fossils.

With every loss, the chances of D12 ultimately ending up in L.A. diminish. And I for one couldn't be happier about that.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on February 06, 2012, 10:43:30 PM
Holding out for D12 is the only thing keeping me going!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on February 06, 2012, 10:48:56 PM
I think it depends on Howard's ego and if he thinks he's a far better player than Bynum that can transform the Lakers from a playoff contender to a championship contender. He's not, but you never know what a person can think about themselves especially when the other option is the 8-18 Nets. I don't know if I see Chicago changing up arguably the best team in the NBA to bring him in and the Clippers don't have anybody to give in return but I think they were off the radar anyway. Basically, it comes down to two teams- The Lakers who will remain mediocre replacing Bynum, or the Nets which would basically be Orlando 2.0 for this year at least. I think the allure of wearing the purple and gold, being in Hollywood and the player Orlando will get in return will put him in a Laker jersey.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: nec13 on February 06, 2012, 11:39:23 PM
I think it depends on Howard's ego and if he thinks he's a far better player than Bynum that can transform the Lakers from a playoff contender to a championship contender. He's not, but you never know what a person can think about themselves especially when the other option is the 8-18 Nets. I don't know if I see Chicago changing up arguably the best team in the NBA to bring him in and the Clippers don't have anybody to give in return but I think they were off the radar anyway. Basically, it comes down to two teams- The Lakers who will remain mediocre replacing Bynum, or the Nets which would basically be Orlando 2.0 for this year at least. I think the allure of wearing the purple and gold, being in Hollywood and the player Orlando will get in return will put him in a Laker jersey.

I can't argue with anything you said in this post.

I don't envy Otis Smith right now. He doesn't really have any good options at this point. You can't just let Howard walk and receive nothing in return. But if the best you can do is Andrew Bynum and other assorted flotsam and jetsam, that's not all that appealing either. In the end, however, I think he'll be forced to choose the least bad option, which is trading him to the Lakers. 
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on February 07, 2012, 01:08:14 AM
Well, there are so many things at play here. What's best for Howard, what's best for Orlando, and what's best for the Lakers.

As a Los Angeleno, I can tell you the Lakers desperately want a post-Kobe star. Lakers High Command would never be content with a Nuggets or Sixers-style team (even though plenty of fans would). They want stars.

So, Howard certainly checks that box. Howard is also a couple notches above Bynum as a player, so a Laker core with Kobe, Pau, and Bynum is probably 3-4 wins better than the current core.

That said... the Lakers have HUGE holes at PG, SF and the bench. Holes that Howard alone can't fix. Holes so big, that in the long run of this season, they make a Kobe-Pau-Howard core not all that much better than the current one.

So, I don't know. If Howard is savvy, he sees this and thinks, "Hm, maybe LA won't get me that ring all that much faster than Brooklyn would, consider Brooklyn actually has cap room..." Then again, at no moment of this "process" has Howard demonstrated anything resembling savvyness.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on February 07, 2012, 08:44:18 AM
Dwight Howard's awesome but NBA players need to open up the cities they'd play in a bit more than LA, Miami, Chicago, NY and kinda Dallas/Boston.

1) America is pretty terrific and there are great cities everywhere. I can't believe no one wants to play for Golden State. They have the most hardcore fan base in the country, San Francisco's pretty great, etc. I'm obviously incredibly partial to Philly -- Allen Iverson never hurt for endorsements or media attention. I like Houston a lot -- multimillionaires live like kings there. Portland has a great fan base and while it's too Portlandia for me, it's still really awesome. Phoenix has low tax rates, great winter weather AND Steve Nash, who only has a history of making everyone he plays with look significantly better than they are (thus wealthier). DC has a history of losing but it's the second or third most significant media market due to the politics -- a superstar in DC will get a ton of media attention, ala that one year everyone loved Gil.

I know my tastes are different than a 23-year-old multimillionaire.

With all the technology we have today, you can really live anywhere you want and bank endorsements, unless you're counting on those lucrative car lot deals. KD stayed in Oklahoma City and has a ton of commercials (and even a movie). If you're good enough, you'll get a shoe deal.

2) It limits the players pull over the market by being so open as to who you'd sign with. I'd rather have 29 teams thing they can bid for me than limit to it three or four.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on February 07, 2012, 09:42:38 AM
My Twitter feed the past two nights has blown up regarding Jeremy Lin.

Can we please calm down about this? It's two good games back-to-back against the terrible Nets and average Utah teams, whose PG is Devin Harris, who has been brutal. And one of those games had eight TOs. He's racked up about 78 DNP-CDs this season on the friggin' Knicks.

And since when did we start rooting for people from Harvard to succeed? Aren't they the enemy to slobs everywhere? I know he stands out because of his ethnicity but, aside from that, he's a fortunate son who fell under the AAU radar and had a great career... but it was at Harvard.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: gravy boat on February 07, 2012, 10:02:07 AM
My Twitter feed the past two nights has blown up regarding Jeremy Lin.

Can we please calm down about this? It's two good games back-to-back against the terrible Nets and average Utah teams, whose PG is Devin Harris, who has been brutal. And one of those games had eight TOs. He's racked up about 78 DNP-CDs this season on the friggin' Knicks.

And since when did we start rooting for people from Harvard to succeed? Aren't they the enemy to slobs everywhere? I know he stands out because of his ethnicity but, aside from that, he's a fortunate son who fell under the AAU radar and had a great career... but it was at Harvard.

I'm a Nets fan and watched the Lin "debut." He did not destroy the Nets--he got the better of Deron Williams, one of the best in the game, time and again on both ends.  Is he for real? Can't tell yet, but he makes that Knicks team about 10x better than any other stiff they have.  People are rooting for him because he came from out of nowhere.  You should know that people like that kind of story. I believe there is a statue in your fair city to this effect. 

By the way, I just finished your brother's book (which is superb--real funny and touching). All I can say is I am making my WFMU donation this year in honor of your parents' perseverance.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on February 07, 2012, 10:49:29 AM
My Twitter feed the past two nights has blown up regarding Jeremy Lin.

Can we please calm down about this? It's two good games back-to-back against the terrible Nets and average Utah teams, whose PG is Devin Harris, who has been brutal. And one of those games had eight TOs. He's racked up about 78 DNP-CDs this season on the friggin' Knicks.

And since when did we start rooting for people from Harvard to succeed? Aren't they the enemy to slobs everywhere? I know he stands out because of his ethnicity but, aside from that, he's a fortunate son who fell under the AAU radar and had a great career... but it was at Harvard.

I'm a Nets fan and watched the Lin "debut." He did not destroy the Nets--he got the better of Deron Williams, one of the best in the game, time and again on both ends.  Is he for real? Can't tell yet, but he makes that Knicks team about 10x better than any other stiff they have.  People are rooting for him because he came from out of nowhere.  You should know that people like that kind of story. I believe there is a statue in your fair city to this effect. 

By the way, I just finished your brother's book (which is superb--real funny and touching). All I can say is I am making my WFMU donation this year in honor of your parents' perseverance.

I get what you're saying. But Rocky works because he was some poor schlub from a terrible part of Philly who got a big break and made the most of it. Lin was a borderline second round draft pick overcame riding the bench. It's barely on the same radar. The real underdog story is someone like Ivan Johnson who got kicked out of the Korean league or Sundiata Gaines, who toiled in the minors before getting a big break and, in his first game in the NBA, nailed a buzzer beater and turned that into a stable contract.

And thanks for the comment on my brother's book! I can attest that my parents could not be more normal, traditional people. Also: I just got a new job I start in a few weeks which will give me a lot of free time for my own book!
 
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on February 07, 2012, 12:14:51 PM
I don't envy Otis Smith right now. He doesn't really have any good options at this point. You can't just let Howard walk and receive nothing in return. But if the best you can do is Andrew Bynum and other assorted flotsam and jetsam, that's not all that appealing either. In the end, however, I think he'll be forced to choose the least bad option, which is trading him to the Lakers.

If Orlando can get Bynum it would be one of the best deals ever for a star who wants to be traded. As long as he wants to play there... his contract ends at the same as Howard's. But it's not too often that you get a player like Bynum for a player who is forcing his way out especially with the limitations he's putting on the Magic.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: buffcoat on February 07, 2012, 03:22:21 PM
Ha!

NBA places I would not want to live if I were a young millionaire:


I would also throw in Dallas, Houston, San Antonio and Atlanta, but that's more from personal experience with Texas and Atlanta.  A young millionaire might be able to find some enjoyment in at least three of these.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on February 07, 2012, 08:07:02 PM
I would do the Lamar Odom thing and demand to only play for a team near the beach.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: NewGuyPeteD on February 08, 2012, 11:38:03 PM
My Twitter feed the past two nights has blown up regarding Jeremy Lin.

Can we please calm down about this? It's two good games back-to-back against the terrible Nets and average Utah teams, whose PG is Devin Harris, who has been brutal. And one of those games had eight TOs. He's racked up about 78 DNP-CDs this season on the friggin' Knicks.

And since when did we start rooting for people from Harvard to succeed? Aren't they the enemy to slobs everywhere? I know he stands out because of his ethnicity but, aside from that, he's a fortunate son who fell under the AAU radar and had a great career... but it was at Harvard.

I'm a Knicks fan who has watched nothing but crappy PG play all of this year and most of last year...While the "Linsanity" may be a bit overboard, he is clearly making them better by getting guys open looks (see: Steve Novak) and setting the pace of the offense. I WILL get excited because when Amare and Carmelo come back Lin won't have to work as hard on offense and they should be big-time beneficiaries his natural progression as a floor general.

I'M PUMPED UP RIGHT NOW!

Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on February 09, 2012, 08:54:46 AM
BREAKING NEWS: LeBron James is a total self-centered jerk!

Perk's been giving him crap because LBJ tweeted about Blake's dunk. LBJ responded with a woe-is-me quote:

Quote
"I'm an easy target; if someone wants to get a point across -- just throw LeBron's name in there," James said. "You could be watching cartoons with your kids and you don't like it, you say, 'Blame it on LeBron.' If you go to the grocery store and they don't have the milk that you like, you just say, 'It's LeBron's fault.' "

I hope he never gets a ring.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: gravy boat on February 09, 2012, 11:35:16 AM
My Twitter feed the past two nights has blown up regarding Jeremy Lin.

Can we please calm down about this? It's two good games back-to-back against the terrible Nets and average Utah teams, whose PG is Devin Harris, who has been brutal. And one of those games had eight TOs. He's racked up about 78 DNP-CDs this season on the friggin' Knicks.

And since when did we start rooting for people from Harvard to succeed? Aren't they the enemy to slobs everywhere? I know he stands out because of his ethnicity but, aside from that, he's a fortunate son who fell under the AAU radar and had a great career... but it was at Harvard.

I'm a Knicks fan who has watched nothing but crappy PG play all of this year and most of last year...While the "Linsanity" may be a bit overboard, he is clearly making them better by getting guys open looks (see: Steve Novak) and setting the pace of the offense. I WILL get excited because when Amare and Carmelo come back Lin won't have to work as hard on offense and they should be big-time beneficiaries his natural progression as a floor general.

I'M PUMPED UP RIGHT NOW!

C'mon, Lin's been couch-surfing lately.  That's the mark of a humble "slob."   You gotta love this kid, Greggulator. Look past your Ivy League bias and join the Lin-sanity.  Friday night--Lakers at MSG! That is going to be a show.

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/323332-new-yorks-new-star-lives-on-his-brothers-couch?eref=sihp&sct=hp_bf2_a6 (http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/323332-new-yorks-new-star-lives-on-his-brothers-couch?eref=sihp&sct=hp_bf2_a6)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Tom Scharpling on February 09, 2012, 12:24:59 PM
I love how LeBron handled it. Perkins is the one who needs to get over it and move on. LBJ complimented Griffin's dunk, which sent Perkins into some sort of illogical shame spiral. You got dunked on. It happened. You don't see John Lucas Jr moaning about that 100 MPH dunk LBJ dropped on him two weeks ago.

Tom.

Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on February 09, 2012, 05:40:56 PM
Yeah, I'm digging the backlash to the LeBron backlash. Why are so many so adamant that he suffer for all our sins? Actually, wait, I don't like Jesus analogies, so I'll say he's more like the boy in The Whipping Boy. But yeah, let's all climb off him and focus on the real pure evil villain of the NBA - David Stern. Followed closely by the Boston Celtics.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on February 10, 2012, 01:43:11 AM
I love how LeBron handled it. Perkins is the one who needs to get over it and move on. LBJ complimented Griffin's dunk, which sent Perkins into some sort of illogical shame spiral. You got dunked on. It happened. You don't see John Lucas Jr moaning about that 100 MPH dunk LBJ dropped on him two weeks ago.

Tom.

Absolutely. But, stuff like this is part of the reason the NBA is the best league around. No other league has this much personality, and Lebron is involved in this and he has to be the least personable guy in the entire league.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Tom Scharpling on February 10, 2012, 06:48:24 AM
He is far from the 'least personable guy in the entire league'.

Tom.

Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on February 10, 2012, 09:19:45 AM
LeBron was my favorite player in the league for a long time. I loved the fake photo shoot before the game stuff.

I just can never root for him again. I know sports is a business, but he left a blue-collar city he was more-or-less from in order to get a few ready-made titles in the worst sports city in the country. I understand leaving a team for greener pastures (and Dan Gilbert's an idiot), but going to that team and saying you're going to win six or seven titles before you even win a game?

I appreciate LeBron the player. It's impossible to be a NBA fan and not be completely wowed by him. But I can't like LeBron the guy. And think about that -- he has the biggest marketing machine in the world behind him which is geared to make him likable enough to sell products to the average American. And, even with many publicity savvy people steering him... he's still a jerk. When he's doing something likable, it's so transparently phony. And in the moments he's honest, he's insufferable.

And to make things worse, he's also a quitter/choke artist. MJ was even more intolerable a person but he won every single time. Kobe's far from a good guy but he at least leaves everything on the court every single game. KG's thoroughly unlikable but would kill someone to win a game. Dirk destroyed his body last season to win the title.

When has LeBron ever been that guy?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on February 10, 2012, 04:59:22 PM
I love how LeBron handled it. Perkins is the one who needs to get over it and move on. LBJ complimented Griffin's dunk, which sent Perkins into some sort of illogical shame spiral. You got dunked on. It happened. You don't see John Lucas Jr moaning about that 100 MPH dunk LBJ dropped on him two weeks ago.

Tom.

Absolutely. But, stuff like this is part of the reason the NBA is the best league around. No other league has this much personality, and Lebron is involved in this and he has to be the least personable guy in the entire league.

Gilly, you can type this when Joachim Noah exists?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on February 10, 2012, 05:29:55 PM
I'd say Bynum is among the least personable. He's a big stupid bully. And yet...he's a 15-15-2 guy this year. I'll take it!

I'm actually excited to watch the Lakers play the Knicks tonight. Not so much for Lin, but for the MSG atmosphere - always fun.

For Knicks fans on these boards, I'll tell you that any team with *any* kind of PG stands a good chance of beating the Lakers. You'll all love pointing-and-laughing at Derek Fisher/Steve Blake tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: nec13 on February 10, 2012, 09:14:43 PM
Jeremy Lin is God.

That is all.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on February 10, 2012, 11:11:56 PM
Jesus Christ.

Lin was great. I'm still not a believer, but we are in a golden age of PGs, so who the hell knows. (I'm so mad/jealous we didn't pick him of the scrap heap. And yes, I say "we." Bad habit.)
Title: Great excuse to raise ticket prices again
Post by: The Bandito on February 11, 2012, 11:17:30 AM
I can't wait to see how quickly one of the few positive Knicks developments in the 21st Century gets washed away by JD and the Straight Shot's frontman.

No patience to build a likable brand.

Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on February 11, 2012, 01:33:15 PM
Okay, I'm on board with Lin now. I'm actually have a Lin vs. Rubio watch party tonight.

I am excited to see how Melo reacts to this when he returns. I think Amare will be fine since he played with Nash under D'Anotni and knows how to pick'n'roll. But I don't know how Melo will react since the Knicks are playing so well without a ball stopper right now.

I do expect Jim Dolan to trade Lin and Amare for Tyreke Evans, though.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jäck on February 11, 2012, 03:37:30 PM
I'm stoked for the Lin/Rubio match up tonight but as a Timberwolves fan, I'm a little worried. Rubio hasn't looked very good the last couple of games. I don't know if he's hitting a rookie wall right now or if it's just overuse, but he looks worn out.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on February 11, 2012, 05:51:17 PM
I love how LeBron handled it. Perkins is the one who needs to get over it and move on. LBJ complimented Griffin's dunk, which sent Perkins into some sort of illogical shame spiral. You got dunked on. It happened. You don't see John Lucas Jr moaning about that 100 MPH dunk LBJ dropped on him two weeks ago.

Tom.

Absolutely. But, stuff like this is part of the reason the NBA is the best league around. No other league has this much personality, and Lebron is involved in this and he has to be the least personable guy in the entire league.

Gilly, you can type this when Joachim Noah exists?

You're gonna have to explain this one, Dave.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: NewGuyPeteD on February 12, 2012, 02:46:01 AM
LeBron is absolutely getting a ring. You can't be this good and not eventually win one. They weren't too far off last year. I think he gets it this year. What, you think I want this to happen? I hate that phony.

Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on February 12, 2012, 01:30:57 PM
How can you say this guy doesn't have personality!

(http://a.espncdn.com/espnradiostations/i/espnchicago/images/nba_joakim_noah1_200.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on February 13, 2012, 01:08:37 PM
I'm totally on-board this idea of the Lakers signing Gilbert Arenas. Why not? The team's going nowhere fast. Roll the dice and see if he becomes the streaking veteran shooter you need. Hell, streaking veteran shooters is how Dallas won the title last year.

Also, "The Black Mamba & Agent Zero" is the greatest 1970s Marvel Comics series that never existed.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on February 13, 2012, 02:16:54 PM
Seems like a bad idea to me. You never know what will happen this season with injuries and teams just hitting a wall. The Lakers are probably the most likely to hit a wall but I think the goal this season is just to make the playoffs and go from there and I think the Lakers are going to be a 5 seed at the worst. I just don't see the need for them to bring on a risky locker room guy who isn't even a decent player anymore.

It will be interesting to see how much they are needing to win this year and how much influence Kobe has in making that happen. An easy trade to make the team a ton better and probably a clear title contender would be sending Bynum to Phoenix for Nash and Gortat. But, that makes them terrible in 3 years maybe even 2.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on February 13, 2012, 06:06:45 PM
I feel like the West is wide open this year and there's a decent chance the Lakers could at least make the Finals if they make a few desperate moves without sacrificing Gasol and Bynum. I get the idea, obviously, of dumping them off for more, younger pieces, and beginning the rebuild, but it just doesn't seem right to pass up a shot at playing for a title in this crazy season for the mere potential to play for a title in three years.

Now, having said all that...Gasol + Picks for Nash/Gortat is a great trade. I don't care if Nash bites it in two years, I think that trade would be perfect for making a deep run now.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on February 13, 2012, 07:06:14 PM
Gasol makes more sense than Bynum. I thought he was older but he's only 31 and doesn't have a no trade clause. I figured that he had a no trade clause for sure but he only has a 15% trade kicker and Phoenix won't get much younger but they'll be able to build around him for the next 4 years at least.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on February 13, 2012, 07:52:13 PM
Gasol is also underrated as a durable guy. It's weird, because since he's a gangly Euro he'll always be seen as default "soft," but I can't think of many times where he's actually been injured and on the DL. Not to mention he played something like 4000 games between 08 and 11. Anyway, all this just means that Gasol + Phoenix's Sports Medicine Gurus = Eternal Life.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Pregnant Pause on February 14, 2012, 09:06:56 AM
Gasol makes more sense than Bynum. I thought he was older but he's only 31 and doesn't have a no trade clause. I figured that he had a no trade clause for sure but he only has a 15% trade kicker and Phoenix won't get much younger but they'll be able to build around him for the next 4 years at least.

You have to fulfill a very specific set of requirements to be eligible for no trade clauses in the NBA.  I think only Kobe and Dirk have them. 
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on February 14, 2012, 12:32:17 PM
Wolves need to find somebody who can shoot 3's. Beasley to Golden State for Brandon Rush? Seems like it works for both teams since Golden State has Kwame Brown's contract falling off the books this off season and if they get Beasley they can give 12 million to a free agent this off season and be a contender next year. Wolves would probably have to take Udoh as well or get a 3rd team involved.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on February 14, 2012, 03:51:48 PM
Crazy that Beasley is actually their best percentage wise from 3 this year.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: buffcoat on February 14, 2012, 07:06:13 PM
Charlotte is now officially on pace to be the worst team in the history of the league.  Go Bobcats!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on February 15, 2012, 09:51:01 AM
I have come to terms with Linsanity.

If Lin was on a team like Milwaukee, he'd be my favorite player of all-time. The only reason why I was hating on the bandwagon is because he's on the Knicks and my natural pre-disposition to be against NY sports teams.

But the NBA is such a weird league. Despite the bluster of the strike, small-market teams have been more than capable of competing and getting national attention, ala OKC and the Spurs. If you're good, especially in this age, you'll be on TV.

The Knicks haven't been fun to watch since their weird run to the finals, and that was just a fluke. People HATED that team until they went on the run. The last time before that they were interesting was when Jeff Van Gundy was being rag dolled across a basketball court.

But now it gets interesting. Melo came to New York solely for the marketing purposes. He left a pretty good team built around him to join an average-at-best team that gutted itself to obtain him. But now, in just a matter of days, his star power has been trumped. The Knicks advertising is COMPLETELY about Lin right now. And Lin has also become a box office attraction.

It's going to be interesting to see how that plays out. I think the anticipated clash between the two over shots and style-of-play is going to have a lot more to it.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on February 15, 2012, 09:59:20 AM
Been out of town. Updated this.
Ratings (through yesterday's games)
1 Miami
2 Boston
3 Chicago
4 San Antonio
5 Dallas
6 Orlando
7 Oklahoma City
8 Sacramento
9 Memphis
10 LA Clippers
11 LA Lakers
12 Denver
13 Indiana
14 Golden State
15 Houston
16 Philadelphia
17 Atlanta
18 New York
19 Minnesota
20 Phoenix
21 Milwaukee
22 Utah
23 Cleveland
24 Portland
25 New Orleans
26 Toronto
27 Washington
28 Detroit
29 New Jersey
30 Charlotte
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on February 15, 2012, 12:14:41 PM
If Lin was on a team like Milwaukee, he'd be my favorite player of all-time. The only reason why I was hating on the bandwagon is because he's on the Knicks and my natural pre-disposition to be against NY sports teams.

You seemed to have a whole lot of other reasons besides him playing for the Knicks.

And since when did we start rooting for people from Harvard to succeed? Aren't they the enemy to slobs everywhere? I know he stands out because of his ethnicity but, aside from that, he's a fortunate son who fell under the AAU radar and had a great career... but it was at Harvard.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on February 15, 2012, 12:24:11 PM
If Lin was on a team like Milwaukee, he'd be my favorite player of all-time. The only reason why I was hating on the bandwagon is because he's on the Knicks and my natural pre-disposition to be against NY sports teams.

You seemed to have a whole lot of other reasons besides him playing for the Knicks.

And since when did we start rooting for people from Harvard to succeed? Aren't they the enemy to slobs everywhere? I know he stands out because of his ethnicity but, aside from that, he's a fortunate son who fell under the AAU radar and had a great career... but it was at Harvard.

True. But he's won me over. The NYC thing was the primary part.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on February 15, 2012, 12:39:36 PM
Dave from Knoxville...

Boston 2nd?! Is this some kind of inside joke I'm missing?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: JON IN PHL on February 15, 2012, 01:47:14 PM
Hey Dave From Knoxville,

Just out of curiosity, do you aim to have the teams ranked correctly at any given point during the season? Or is this an ongoing process that aims to have the teams correctly ranked by the season's end?

Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Racan on February 15, 2012, 02:32:13 PM
Last month I went to my first NBA game in over ten years, since my beloved Vancouver Grizzlies moved to Memphis. I was in Portland for a weekend with some friends and we just bought tickets last minute. It was totally worth it. I'd completely forgotten how fast paced the sport really is. Portland played Cleveland, so there was also the excitement of watching Kyrie Irving in action. The Trailblazers played great, and won by around twenty points. The entire Rose Garden was a mere basket away from all of us getting a free Chalupa! It's such a shame Portland is now the only team in the Pacific Northwest.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on February 15, 2012, 02:37:45 PM
Hey Dave From Knoxville,

Just out of curiosity, do you aim to have the teams ranked correctly at any given point during the season? Or is this an ongoing process that aims to have the teams correctly ranked by the season's end?

Just whenever it happens. But hopefully it stabilizes as the season progresses.

I can't do the breakdown on how Boston got there from here, but I could do a game by game when I get home.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: buffcoat on February 15, 2012, 04:36:48 PM
I am now actively rooting for Charlotte to lose all its games and finish as (by far) the worst team of all time.  I'm nervous about the end of season games, especially in this compressed year, and how the other teams will be resting their best players and not caring.

However, I think Charlotte may be heart-less enough to get it done.  It will be fascinating for Michael Jordan to be both the generally-acclaimed best player of all time and the generally-acclaimed worst executive of all time.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on February 15, 2012, 06:00:11 PM
Everything about MJ that's not basketball-related can have the "worst" modifier attached. Worst dressed, worst actor, worst husband, worst gambler, etc.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on February 15, 2012, 06:30:11 PM
It's absolutely ridiculous how terrible they've been in the draft in their 8 years of existence. They haven't found one guy who can be a star and it could be argued that they haven't drafted even a solid #2 player. Some people might argue that McHale was a worse GM, but most of his awfulness had to do with the Joe Smith debacle and having to compensate for losing picks with bad signings and trades to build around Garnett. He still did a pretty bad job, but Jordan is responsible for what probably is the worst franchise in American pro sports.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: methanolcereal on February 16, 2012, 12:50:20 AM
Everything about MJ that's not basketball-related can have the "worst" modifier attached. Worst dressed, worst actor, worst husband, worst gambler, etc.

Does "worst mustache" fit under "worst dressed"?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on February 16, 2012, 01:13:35 PM
It will be fascinating for Michael Jordan to be both the generally-acclaimed best player of all time and the generally-acclaimed worst executive of all time.

He refuses to let Isaiah win this one either.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: gravy boat on February 16, 2012, 03:17:16 PM
It will be fascinating for Michael Jordan to be both the generally-acclaimed best player of all time and the generally-acclaimed worst executive of all time.

He refuses to let Isaiah win this one either.

 Oh boy that made me laugh.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on February 16, 2012, 04:09:17 PM
I am now actively rooting for Charlotte to lose all its games and finish as (by far) the worst team of all time.  I'm nervous about the end of season games, especially in this compressed year, and how the other teams will be resting their best players and not caring.

The other problem is that all their injured guys are coming back. Maggette and Augustin should be good for a few garbage wins.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on February 17, 2012, 03:22:12 PM
Maggette and Augustin should be good for a few garbage wins.

Or not
Corey Maggette: Most Ridiculous Turnover Ever (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxhJvgKNUCI&feature=youtu.be#ws)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: methanolcereal on February 17, 2012, 05:38:08 PM
Maggette and Augustin should be good for a few garbage wins.

Or not


Oh man, that was awesome.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: fonpr on February 17, 2012, 07:38:06 PM
Maggette and Augustin should be good for a few garbage wins.

Or not
Corey Maggette: Most Ridiculous Turnover Ever (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxhJvgKNUCI&feature=youtu.be#ws)
Who's that guy working for?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on February 17, 2012, 11:48:05 PM
THINGS:

1) My friend coined the word "Biyombotulism" tonight. Feel free to reuse.

2) I watched most of the Knicks/Hornets game tonight from a bar in Glens Falls, NY, the home of Jimmer-mania. People are into it up here, too. The Knicks were absolutely brutal in the first half. I was pretty impressed with them in the second half, though. Lin was really great in the second half -- he valued the ball a lot more and it really paid off. Amare is TERRIBLE on defense. I forgot how brutal he could be on the side of the ball. As earlier posts indicated, I am not a Melo fan at all. But I really want this to work with him and Lin. If it clicks (and JR Smith grew up a bit when in China), then they're going to be very scary in a few months.

3) The Sixers have hit the wall... and hard. Ooof.

4) I loved Woj's column on LeBron today. Interesting development with him hinting at a future return. Heavy is the crown...

Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: buffcoat on February 18, 2012, 02:00:11 AM
Very disappointed to see a Charlotte win.  I want this franchise to own something.

And I had forgotten about Ed Davis even though he's only been in the league a year.  Way to go Ed.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on February 18, 2012, 02:34:43 AM
Bench Jeremy Lin!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on February 18, 2012, 08:32:25 AM
I so want to just paste the blog post in here, but it seems that might be spammy, so I am offering a long rationale for why Boston keeps turning up ranked so high in my system. It's at my blog, here: http://gaughin.edublogs.org/2012/02/19/the-celtics-cant-be-that-good-can-they/ (http://gaughin.edublogs.org/2012/02/19/the-celtics-cant-be-that-good-can-they/)

I could do a similar analysis of the Sixers' season, but given Greggulator's statement one post back, maybe the argument I have been making is starting to assert itself without me typing quite so much. Will do it if so requested though. I live for this stuff.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on February 18, 2012, 09:07:29 AM
I went ahead and ran the Sixers analysis. It's short enough I will just give you the whole thing (the Celtics one was longer, and had a joke or two.)

Here’s a similar analysis for the Sixers (just for Brad and Greggulator and Jack, who will pretend not to care about it.)

Sixers initial random draw is 26th.

On December 31st, the 29th place Sixers beat 1st place Golden State, and rise to 24th.

On January 6th, the 28th place Sixers beat 22nd place Detroit, and rise to 24th.

On January 7th, the 24th place Sixers beat 6th place Toronto, and rise to 21st.

On January 9th, the 21st place Sixers beat 15th place Indiana, and rise to 15th.

On January 20th, the 18th place Sixers beat 12th place Atlanta, and rise to 13th.

On January 25th, the 14th place Sixers lose to 27th place New Jersey, and fall to 21st.

On January 30th, the 22nd place Sixers beat 13th place Orlando, and rise to 19th.

On February 1st, the 19th place Sixers beat 3rd place Chicago, and rise to 16th.

On February 6th, the 17th place Sixers beat the 11th place Lakers, and rise to 12th.

 

And as of today, they have drifted to 13th (see the listing on the previous post for details.)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Kormod on February 18, 2012, 11:11:14 AM
I don't watch basketball at all, but I thought the offensiveness of this was hilarious:

(http://jimromenesko.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Al660EhCIAEjXv4.jpg)

When are they gonna learn?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on February 18, 2012, 07:45:51 PM
Dear Lord, that editor's as tone deaf as Santorum.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: nuge on February 18, 2012, 07:56:48 PM
Can't decide if it's good or bad that Kenny Smith is getting marginalized by Shaq. Did you see him as commissioner, bumbling around with the draft pick cards for the Rising Stars Challenge?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on February 19, 2012, 04:13:52 PM
I still weep for Webber having to hit the road and do color on West Coast late games. He is Shaq's saddest victim.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on February 19, 2012, 08:30:39 PM
I still weep for Webber having to hit the road and do color on West Coast late games. He is Shaq's saddest victim.

It really is a shame because Webber is pretty great. Definitely doesn't need the focus on him all the time, unlike Shaq.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on February 20, 2012, 09:46:47 AM
NBA update
1 Miami
2 San Antonio
3 Orlando
4 Chicago
5 Memphis
6 Dallas
7 LA Clippers
8 Oklahoma City
9 Boston
10 Denver
11 Houston
12 Minnesota
13 Philadelphia
14 LA Lakers
15 Indiana
16 Cleveland
17 Sacramento
18 New York
19 New Orleans
20 Phoenix
21 Portland
22 Detroit
23 Atlanta
24 Golden State
25 Milwaukee
26 New Jersey
27 Utah
28 Washington
29 Charlotte
30 Toronto
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on February 20, 2012, 05:08:12 PM
I just don't get how the Knicks keep winning with his turnovers. I mean the points are great, but points are points and will be scored by others if not by Lin. It would be one thing if his FG% was sky high but it's not. I haven't watched him play yet so it must be that the assists he's getting are opening up the offense?

If the Wolves can find a SG on the trade market they could be a real threat in the West. I thought that they had a good chance of hovering around .500 this year, but I never thought they'd be a player away from being a top 10 team and maybe only a year away from being a real championship contender. I loved when they drafted Pekovic, watching clips of him overseas looked like he'd be really good and then he was so soft his first year. This is the Pekovic I was expecting. Not even this good, just someone to finally take over the center role and be serviceable. The only flaw I see in his game is that every time he gets a rebound he bounces the ball before he puts it back up. I can see the league taking advantage of that.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Andy on February 20, 2012, 09:58:14 PM
NY sports radio should be fun tomorrow.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Smelodies on February 21, 2012, 01:08:31 AM
(http://www.opposingviews.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/300x250/featured_image/post_0.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Kormod on February 21, 2012, 01:25:28 AM
Isn't he, like, a fundamentalist Christian or something? Kind of sucks that he probably isn't taking advantage of these awesome perks. Maybe he could work something out with his pastor.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: YuriDedman on February 23, 2012, 08:40:35 AM
I don't watch basketball at all, but I thought the offensiveness of this was hilarious:

(http://jimromenesko.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Al660EhCIAEjXv4.jpg)

When are they gonna learn?

Even if the rules of the NBA were revised requiring players to wear full-body protective clothing, and during the course of a game Jeremy Lin's developed a small opening, I still wouldn't have gone with that headline.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: hardweek on February 23, 2012, 06:37:04 PM
I love this so much.

http://universenumberfive.wordpress.com/2012/02/14/the-secret-to-jeremy-lins-success-thrash-metal/ (http://universenumberfive.wordpress.com/2012/02/14/the-secret-to-jeremy-lins-success-thrash-metal/)

Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Chrissy in MN on February 23, 2012, 07:38:40 PM
I would just like to point out that the Wolves have already matched their previous seasons win total at 17.  Although they aren't contenders, it's pretty exciting for us Wolves fans here.  After several miserable seasons, it doesn't take much to make MN fans happy.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on February 24, 2012, 01:40:47 AM
Re: Wolves.

It's so crazy that David Kahn is having a long, hard laugh this year. Maybe not a "last laugh," per se, but a laugh nonetheless.

Also, Kevin Love is great. Best PF in the game.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on February 24, 2012, 06:21:05 AM
Midweek update

1   Miami
2   Chicago
3   Houston
4   San Antonio
5   Memphis
6   Orlando
7   Oklahoma City
8   Dallas
9   Boston
10   LA Clippers
11   LA Lakers
12   Denver
13   Minnesota
14   Philadelphia
15   Indiana
16   New Orleans
17   Cleveland
18   Portland
19   Sacramento
20   Atlanta
21   Golden State
22   Phoenix
23   New Jersey
24   New York
25   Toronto
26   Detroit
27   Milwaukee
28   Utah
29   Washington
30   Charlotte
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on February 27, 2012, 07:29:36 PM
Re: Wolves.

It's so crazy that David Kahn is having a long, hard laugh this year. Maybe not a "last laugh," per se, but a laugh nonetheless.

Also, Kevin Love is great. Best PF in the game.

Kahn stinks. Who is the team's third best player? Michael Beasley? He just resigned Darko. Let that sink in.

He gets credit for drafting Kevin Love but that really wasn't that big a risk in that draft. That draft stunk.

Drafting a teenage stud who was really good in the second best pro league and held his own in the Olympics for the silver medal team isn't that big a risk. Kahn gets credit for that move but it wasn't genius move.

The Jonny Flynn pick was terrible. And the Wayne Ellington pick isn't the greatest pick either, even though he's not that bad.

That whole team is a credit to how great Kevin Love is. He's a Top 5 player in the league right now and has a great point guard. With any sort of skilled GM, they'd be where the Thunder were two years ago.

He gets points for drafting
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on February 28, 2012, 12:24:14 AM
Kevin Love was drafted by McHale. I think GMs fall into 4 categories: Truly great ones that turn a garbage team into a great one by crafty wheeling and dealing, average GMs that have a couple good breaks, average GMs who have a couple bad breaks, and the GM that is just downright awful and finds ways to turn good breaks into bad ones. You can't really define someone until after their tenure but I think Kahn will end up falling under average w/ good breaks. An awful GM wouldn't have drafted Rubio or would have traded him for pennies on the dollar instead of waiting on him to come to Minnesota. For the record, I'd rank McHale average with a couple bad breaks. The Joe Smith debacle most likely cost him a championship or two and he'd have a totally different legacy.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on February 28, 2012, 04:19:58 PM

He gets credit for drafting Kevin Love but that really wasn't that big a risk in that draft. That draft stunk.

Are you nuts? In what world did that draft stink?

Rose, Westbrook, Love in the top 5 is very impressive. Not to mention potential guys on the rise like Gallinari, Gordon, Hibbert, Ibaka, Batum. And a whole bunch of solid contributors like Mayo, Lopez, Ryan Anderson, DeAndre Jordan, Darrell Arthur, etc. And then of course the ever tantalizing potential of Anthony Randolph and the ridiculous JaVale McGee. Hell, Joe Alexander is the only lottery pick that made absolutely no impact.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on March 01, 2012, 02:14:07 PM
Greggulator is out-of-control! (I love it).

In other news, I'll soon be making my annual trek 15 miles westward to the 300 section of Staples Center to see the Los Angeles Kobe Bryants in person. I'll be sure to report back on all my heckling of Mike Brown and Derek Fisher.

Interesting trivia about Staples: It's actually owned by the group that owns the LA Kings hockey team, and the Lakers and Clippers lease it from them. That's probably the only time in this town that hockey is ever on top of basketball.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on March 03, 2012, 12:20:35 PM

He gets credit for drafting Kevin Love but that really wasn't that big a risk in that draft. That draft stunk.

Are you nuts? In what world did that draft stink?

Rose, Westbrook, Love in the top 5 is very impressive. Not to mention potential guys on the rise like Gallinari, Gordon, Hibbert, Ibaka, Batum. And a whole bunch of solid contributors like Mayo, Lopez, Ryan Anderson, DeAndre Jordan, Darrell Arthur, etc. And then of course the ever tantalizing potential of Anthony Randolph and the ridiculous JaVale McGee. Hell, Joe Alexander is the only lottery pick that made absolutely no impact.

I overstated saying it stunk. Thanks for correcting me.

But seriously -- Love had some knee thing which kept him from going further. But every single NBA stats nerd swears that rebounding is the easiest stat to translate from college to the NBA -- see Paul Milsap, DeJuan Blair, etc. Love was dominant as a freshman for a Final Four team. Taking him over everyone else who went after him was a pretty obvious pick.

So kudos for taking two picks that anyone in their right mind would have taken. Thumbs down for taking picks that made no sense and are going to prevent an absolute superstar power forward and transcendent point guard from having any sort of big run.

If Presti was the Wolves GM, they'd be set.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on March 03, 2012, 07:04:42 PM
It doesn't help my case that Kahn is a decent GM, but once again, he didn't draft Love. McHale did.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on March 03, 2012, 11:59:21 PM
It doesn't help my case that Kahn is a decent GM, but once again, he didn't draft Love. McHale did.

So Kudos for making one good draft pick of about 18. And for signing Darko to an extended deal. Any minute now he's going to put it all together. The Wesley Johnson and Darko inside-outside game is going to light the league on fire.

Seriously -- the Wolves ANGER me. They have three guys I like a lot (I'm super high on Derrick Williams) but have such a dummy running things that it's going to be ruined.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on March 04, 2012, 10:42:16 PM
The Wolves have Pekovic/Nod from Superman II banging bodies in the low post. That should get Kahn at least SOME immunity from you.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on March 04, 2012, 10:44:51 PM
Oh, and solid win today from the Lakers. Not the most fun game to watch, obviously, but Kobe's just such a transcendent player these days. He's arguably more fascinating now -- on the cusp of his twilight -- than he's ever been.

That said, no way the Lakers are beating the Heat in any kind of 7-game series. Even in a loss, I was very impressed with Heat D and execution. They're all so strong and fast.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on March 05, 2012, 01:57:07 AM
What an awesome day of basketball!

* I caught only some of the Celts/Knicks game and missed the end of the 4th. But it was great. I have a bad habit of always sleeping in on Rajan and then he puts together one of the great box scores in league history. He's such a bizarre person. He's one of the great team basketball players in years and truly wants to set his teammates up, but he looks like the most miserable person. The NBA commercial that for some reason uses Primus kind of works well.

* I can't believe that we've entered into "the Watch Kobe at his peak while you still can" phase. It seems just like yesterday when he was a high school senior one year my junior and rumored to be coming to La Salle University. It's also weird to admit that I kind of like the guy now, after spending so much of my adult life hating him. But he had some crazy post moves to get open jump shots today -- just a testament to how smart he is and how much effort he puts into getting ring number five. It's also great to see him chump the Heat, especially after D-Wade's cheap shot on him at the All-Star game.

The Heat are way better than the Lakers. It's not even close. But I'll be more surprised to see LeBron win a ring than I would be to see the Heat lose to the Knicks or whoever in Round 1.

* I went to my first Sixers game tonight. It was SO much fun. I've hated going to their games the past few years because of how dreadful it was -- a boring team in front of 8,000 people with non-stop awful jock jams and light shows. But the new owners are REALLY making an effort. The pre-game video entrance was maybe the best I've ever seen -- it was artistic and subtle as opposed to the typical fare and tied in the history of the team with its current roster beautifully while also capturing the same with the city. They turned down the noise a lot -- they only had defense and Let's Go Sixers chants pumped in during game time. Technotronix and that fare is acceptable to me during timeouts. I'm going to go to a LOT more games now that I have a lot more free time.

The game itself was great. The Sixers are soooo frustrating. They are a tremendously well-coached team. They move the ball fantastically well and have incredible depth and versatility. Andre Iguadola is so much better in person than on TV. He really did a great job when he was guarding Derrick Rose -- he forced Rose to go towards his left and kept him on that side of the court, as opposed to letting Rose start from the top of the key. But they won't ever beat a great team with the roster they currently have. They don't have a guy who can dominate on any isolation plays, which you need constantly in the playoffs since it's so much harder to get a shot off.

The Bulls are tremendous. They, too, are very well-coached. No one on that team is ever out of position. Their coaching staff was great running their sets differently so Rose could be in his comfort zone and start the offense where he wanted. When they managed to make those adjustments, he showed why he's the MVP -- he can get to the rim whenever he wants, he almost always makes the right pass and he now also has a consistent outside shot. And he's somehow sleepy while putting together a 35-point game.

* Watched the last half of the Nuggets/Spurs. I am really going to miss the Duncan/Parker/Manu era. Parker is having a secretly awesome year. Manu made his return from injury and was rusty but did all the Manu things which I've loved -- weird passes from insane angles, great ball hawking on defense, a willingness to take a tough shot. The Spurs are a pleasure to watch and have been since I can remember.

The Nuggets could be this year's Memphis. They're hanging in their despite their injuries. Ty Lawson is very, very, very good. I also love Kenneth Faried. He has such a great motor and he's ALWAYS smiling. He's so happy to have the ability to play basketball for his career and it shows. He's going to be a pretty good off-the-bench big man for about the next 10 years. I hope he never loses his personality.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: njkaters on March 05, 2012, 11:06:57 AM

The Nuggets could be this year's Memphis. They're hanging in their despite their injuries. Ty Lawson is very, very, very good. I also love Kenneth Faried. He has such a great motor and he's ALWAYS smiling. He's so happy to have the ability to play basketball for his career and it shows. He's going to be a pretty good off-the-bench big man for about the next 10 years. I hope he never loses his personality.

Agreed on the Nuggets; I've watched quite a few Nuggets games this season and I love their style. Faried was probably one of my favorite college basketball players (I only really watch the Tournament) over the past few years and he's actually built on that energetic play in the pros, which doesn't often happen.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on March 05, 2012, 12:06:25 PM

The Nuggets could be this year's Memphis. They're hanging in their despite their injuries. Ty Lawson is very, very, very good. I also love Kenneth Faried. He has such a great motor and he's ALWAYS smiling. He's so happy to have the ability to play basketball for his career and it shows. He's going to be a pretty good off-the-bench big man for about the next 10 years. I hope he never loses his personality.

Agreed on the Nuggets; I've watched quite a few Nuggets games this season and I love their style. Faried was probably one of my favorite college basketball players (I only really watch the Tournament) over the past few years and he's actually built on that energetic play in the pros, which doesn't often happen.

I hope Faried continues to get solid minutes, even after Nene comes back because he's also become one of my favorite under the rader young guys.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on March 06, 2012, 11:53:16 PM
Jesus Christ, Lakers.

I forgot that the first rule of this season is: "If your PG has a pulse, you've got a shot against the Lakers."
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on March 07, 2012, 11:07:07 PM
Oh, my God, it happened again! Kill me.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: senorcorazon on March 10, 2012, 02:55:46 PM
As a Lakers "fan" I apologize. They deserve to get run out of the first round of the playoffs this year, not to accidentally ACL tear Rubio. If it makes you feel better, they are approaching a dark stretch that will last about 5-6 years, and Bynum is due to blow out his knee again within 6 weeks.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on March 13, 2012, 11:06:23 PM
I did not expect Ellis to end up on an 18-24 team.

Even worse is that the Bucks are an 18-24 team that would be in the playoffs if they started today. Man, I hate the Eastern Conference. Even if they do have the best two teams.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on March 13, 2012, 11:53:25 PM
That said, what a horrible trade for Golden State. They don't really need Bogut with David Lee, Kwame Brown's expiring contract was much more useful to them- trade Ellis for an expiring contract and bring in a top free agent this summer.

P.S.  I think it's kind of funny that I come to the FOT board to talk basketball. Maybe it's Tom's love of the game that it's accepted here, or that everyone here is pretty level headed. But, it usually is the best sports conversation around. Thanks!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on March 14, 2012, 12:32:59 AM
Monta (or is it Monte? I can never remember and I'm too lazy to double check) is a pretty one-dimensional player and not the best teammate, so I get GS moving him. But, yeah, for Bogut? And with Curry's ankles made of balsa wood?

Still, you gotta think Jerry West knows what he's doing up there.  Right? Right???

What I'm most interested in are the rumors that GS wants to move from Oakland to downtown San Fran (well, technically, by Pac Bell Park).  If you pair that move with a new cable deal, GS would instantly become a financial power. Alas, the CBA blocks teams from buying their way to the top, but still, there's no reason why San Fran should not have a bball team that can serve as some kind of counterweight to the Lakers-Clippers behemoth.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on March 14, 2012, 12:59:14 AM
It makes no sense, when they are a team that can easily persuade a top free agent to sign with them, why they threw that away for a couple marginal players and the chance to keep their lottery pick. They didn't even need that pick- they were one star player away from being a contender and instead they gave up their salary cap flexibility to a team that probably isn't going to be able to persuade a top free agent to sign with them. This is why the good teams stay good teams, and bad teams stay bad....
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on March 14, 2012, 03:01:59 PM
D'Antoni's out as Knicks coach!

I can't fault this. They're back to being dreadful. Linsanity was the NBA's Prague Spring.

Broussard has an article on ESPN.com somewhere (saw it on my phone) where he discusses the internal problems they have. In particular, Melo's attempts to post up are ruining the spacing of D'Antoni's pick'n'roll offense which Lin ran so well. And apparently, D'Antoni has a difficult time confronting his talent and lost the team as a result.
 
I would venture to say that Amare's escaping any blame here for being brutal on offense and the worst defensive player in the NBA.

Now Mike Woodson's running the show! He ran a tight ship as the Hawks coach. By tight ship, I mean "sat idly by and watched Josh Smith shoot half-court shots".
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on March 14, 2012, 03:07:42 PM
Still, you gotta think Jerry West knows what he's doing up there.  Right? Right???

Yeah, it seemed bizarre to me that they didn't get any picks in the deal. Apparently GS's 1st rounder this year is only top-7 protected from Utah and they were on pace to likely lose that pick. Now they can shut down Curry and tank in order to keep their first rounder.

I think it's going to be interesting to see how Monta and Skiles mesh.

Now Mike Woodson's running the show!

Not like he's going to get the job after this season anyways. It'll be interesting if Phil or Sloan end up coaching there next year.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on March 14, 2012, 04:18:18 PM
You'd have to be nuts to work for Dolan and that madhouse right now.

I doubt either Sloan or Phil end up there. Jerry's a country boy. And Phil won't go there since there's no guarantee he'd win a championship.

The Knicks roster is so talented and deep right now. But trying to get all of that to work is the tough part.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on March 14, 2012, 04:30:54 PM
You'd have to be nuts to work for Dolan and that madhouse right now.

Exactly. Phil's a crazy guy, but with the Lakers he had a huge amount of FO sway and control, thanks to his relationship with Jeanie Buss. Where's Phil's "in" to greater Knick power? It seems to be just a coaching job at the moment. Unless, of course, he gets some kind of Godfather, part-ownership/stock offer.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on March 25, 2012, 02:40:53 PM
Some thoughts:

1) The OKC/Minnesota game Friday night was amazing. Anyone who could watch that game and not walk away loving basketball will never appreciate basketball. I've been immersed in college basketball the past few weeks (of course) but watching the OKC/Wolves game forever killed any arguments that college basketball was as good as the NBA.

Anyways, this game was just so amazing to watch. It's so absurd to think Russel Westbrook went for 45... and that didn't even come close to stealing the show.

I really can't wait for their inevitable playoff clash next year. Love vs. Durant is going to be a great rivalry.

2) The Clippers turning on VDN could not be more predictable. That team stinks. I think Blake being subjected to awful NBA coaching at the start of his career will be something we'll all regret. He's so great -- if he had a guy like Adelman or Doug Collins guiding him, he'd be even better.

3) The Knicks are so fascinating. I kind of hate watching them play again, though. Linsanity's over.

4) The Grizzlies kind of rule.

5) The Kenneth "Manimal" Fareid and Javale McGee front-court is my favorite duo in basketball. The Nuggets can't be the Nuggets without lunatics.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on March 26, 2012, 12:21:33 AM
I have to disagree on the greatness of Griffin. He's good but he has so many flaws. Inconsistent jumper, mediocre defense, terrible free throw shooting are three that he'll probably always have. I do think he can develop into a great post player both on offense and defense, but I think his jump shot and free throw shooting are going to keep him from being great along with having huge matchup problems with forwards who play outside the post. He doesn't have an intangible to make up for those flaws like Howard does with his size and defensive abilities.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on March 26, 2012, 06:16:41 AM
NBA Ranking Update

   26-Mar
1   Chicago
2   Oklahoma City
3   Miami
4   Orlando
5   San Antonio
6   Phoenix
7   Indiana
8   Philadelphia
9   Boston
10   Memphis
11   LA Lakers
12   LA Clippers
13   Atlanta
14   Utah
15   Houston
16   Portland
17   Dallas
18   Minnesota
19   Denver
20   Sacramento
21   Toronto
22   New York
23   Milwaukee
24   New Jersey
25   Charlotte
26   Golden State
27   New Orleans
28   Cleveland
29   Washington
30   Detroit
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on March 26, 2012, 09:17:39 AM
I have to disagree on the greatness of Griffin. He's good but he has so many flaws. Inconsistent jumper, mediocre defense, terrible free throw shooting are three that he'll probably always have. I do think he can develop into a great post player both on offense and defense, but I think his jump shot and free throw shooting are going to keep him from being great along with having huge matchup problems with forwards who play outside the post. He doesn't have an intangible to make up for those flaws like Howard does with his size and defensive abilities.

I do think Blake's great. He's averaging 20 and 10 for a good (but struggling) team and shoots just about 53% from the field. Those are terrific numbers. He does hustle his ass off and dives for every loose ball. And his want to destroy on every dunk possible also makes a difference when it gets the crowd into it, etc. But he's doing this on pretty much all on pure ability, since VDN absolutely sucks. He's constantly put in the high post which gives him too much temptation to take crap jumpers. But he's unstoppable on a pick'n'roll and doing garbage work down low. He's almost at Amare-level levels of terrible defense which stinks because he could be an All-Defensive team guy with his athleticism.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Key Loser on March 26, 2012, 11:58:53 AM
Some thoughts:

1) The OKC/Minnesota game Friday night was amazing. Anyone who could watch that game and not walk away loving basketball will never appreciate basketball. I've been immersed in college basketball the past few weeks (of course) but watching the OKC/Wolves game forever killed any arguments that college basketball was as good as the NBA.

Couldn't agree more. I got to watch a few minutes of the OKC/Heat game last night. Just the fluidity of it all was incredible compared to the frenetic pace of some of these NCAA tournament games. 
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on March 26, 2012, 06:51:01 PM

I do think Blake's great. He's averaging 20 and 10 for a good (but struggling) team and shoots just about 53% from the field. Those are terrific numbers. He does hustle his ass off and dives for every loose ball. And his want to destroy on every dunk possible also makes a difference when it gets the crowd into it, etc. But he's doing this on pretty much all on pure ability, since VDN absolutely sucks. He's constantly put in the high post which gives him too much temptation to take crap jumpers. But he's unstoppable on a pick'n'roll and doing garbage work down low. He's almost at Amare-level levels of terrible defense which stinks because he could be an All-Defensive team guy with his athleticism.

I think the big reason I think he's overrated is because he's being billed as one of the best in the league already when he's not even in the top 3 at his position. I'd put Love, Dirk and Josh Smith ahead of him... maybe still Duncan. We'll see what happens when Del Negro goes, but I don't see him developing into anything more than he is right now, but probably with a little better basketball IQ as he matures. I do agree that Del Negro hasn't run his team efficiently, but I don't know what else you could ask him to do with Griffin. It's not like he's being played out of position or that he hasn't been given the freedom to play to his abilities like Rambis did with Love in past years.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: JON IN PHL on March 27, 2012, 05:01:20 PM
Josh Smith?

I agree that Blake has plenty of work to do, but c'mon...At least say Pau Gasol.

Also, in addition to college teams being exhausting/frustrating to watch, man are the NCAA refs horrible. Really the pits.

Lastly, I can't wait to see Anthony Davis in The League. What a tremendous athlete and efficient ball player.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on March 27, 2012, 05:50:10 PM
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Lastly, I can't wait to see Anthony Davis in The League. What a tremendous athlete and efficient ball player.

He also has to be the nerdiest looking guy since Rambis played ball!

I'll take Josh Smith over Gasol any day, but I did forget about him. He's above Griffin too. Josh Smith is probably the most underrated player in the NBA.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Rick in Salt Lake on March 30, 2012, 11:45:44 AM
Greggulator,
What are you opinions on the Jazz's chances of making the playoffs? While they won't go very far, I'm curious as to what you think, and perhaps your opinion on the Jazz in general...
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on March 30, 2012, 02:06:33 PM
The West is so crazy this year. There are four games separating the three seed to whoever is number ten in the standings. And that doesn't even factor in Minnesota's late push with Kevin Love putting up "second best player in the league" type numbers. It's anybody's game to make the playoffs. A healthy Denver team would compete for a Top 4 seed. If they grab the 7 or 8, then there could be a classic Game 5 on our hands.

As far as Utah -- I really love watching that team play. They're still running a beautiful system of basketball and haven't really changed things from Sloan. They all move the ball very well. Paul Milsap is one of my favorite players in the league. The young core they have is pretty fantastic. They don't have that one guy who will get them over the top, though. And I don't know how they'll get that guy since it's hard to lure free agents to Utah. Maybe Steve Nash would be interested in the off-season since he's a film producer and he'll be close to Sundance?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Rick in Salt Lake on March 31, 2012, 10:28:03 AM
The young core they have is pretty fantastic.

I tend to agree with you. I'm thinking Gordon Hayward is maybe a few seasons away from being an impact player...

They don't have that one guy who will get them over the top, though. And I don't know how they'll get that guy since it's hard to lure free agents to Utah. Maybe Steve Nash would be interested in the off-season since he's a film producer and he'll be close to Sundance?

I think Nash would be great for the Jazz (or with most any team. I've always loved Steve Nash), as the Jazz seem to me to be a bit deficient at the point guard. The problem is would they be able to afford him? THE Millers are very tight fisted with regard to the salary cap...
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on March 31, 2012, 12:59:12 PM
Very entertaining Clips/Blazers game last night.

Clips only one back of Lakers now. Drama! That last Lakers/Clips game is going to be something else. Who will have the honor of losing to San Antonio in the Semis!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on April 02, 2012, 05:20:21 AM
NBA rankings update

   2-Apr
1   Oklahoma City
2   San Antonio
3   Chicago
4   Indiana
5   Boston
6   Miami
7   LA Clippers
8   Phoenix
9   Dallas
10   Houston
11   Memphis
12   LA Lakers
13   Denver
14   Orlando
15   Philadelphia
16   Portland
17   Toronto
18   Utah
19   Atlanta
20   New Jersey
21   Sacramento
22   New York
23   Milwaukee
24   Minnesota
25   Detroit
26   Charlotte
27   Washington
28   New Orleans
29   Golden State
30   Cleveland
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Kormod on April 02, 2012, 09:55:51 AM
What do you guys think of this song?

James Dolan - Fix the Knicks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YfvfpkiXH8#)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on April 04, 2012, 11:51:35 AM
Kobe's clinching three against NJ last night was hilarious, improbable, amazing, and wholly expected. I loved every tenth-of-a-second it.

Also, we may need to start a separate thread to chronicle the Wrestling/NBA crossover that is Andrew Bynum. The man-child's had yet another heel turn.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on April 15, 2012, 04:44:39 PM
WTF was up with Ian Eagle calling out Fratello last night?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: buffcoat on April 19, 2012, 11:37:26 AM
It's looking more and more like the Bobcats are gonna pull this off.  23 straight losses to end the season and finish, by one, with the worst record of all time.

If they can't beat Boston without the Big 3, and can't get within 30 of the Rip Hamilton-led Bulls, they can do this thing.  Memphis, Sacramento, Washington, Orlando and the Knicks.  C'mon, Bobcats, you can do it!

Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on April 19, 2012, 01:49:43 PM
Think I forgot to post this Monday

NBA Power Rankings Update
16-Apr
1 Indiana
2 San Antonio
3 LA Lakers
4 Boston
5 Chicago
6 Miami
7 Memphis
8 LA Clippers
... 9 Oklahoma City
10 Phoenix
11 Toronto
12 Dallas
13 New York
14 Utah
15 Houston
16 Denver
17 Atlanta
18 New Jersey
19 New Orleans
20 Philadelphia
21 Orlando
22 Portland
23 Milwaukee
24 Sacramento
25 Detroit
26 Golden State
27 Cleveland
28 Washington
29 Minnesota
30 Charlotte

Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on April 19, 2012, 04:54:41 PM
I've been rooting for the Jazz since Rubio went down since the Wolves get their pick if they make the playoffs. I almost gave up hope a week ago when they lost a couple in a row, but with the matchups left, the 8th seed is theirs to lose. Austin Rivers here we come.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on April 26, 2012, 12:15:30 PM
I am so excited for the Bobcats to lose out the season and cement themselves as the worst basketball team of all-time.

It has been a spectacular season for the Bobcats. Last night's game against Orlando was tremendous. They came out to play but were just outgunned by a Dwight Howard-less Magic squad. They got down by double digits early and folded up the tents.

They have absolutely no talent on the team. Any veteran on the team is a shlub -- Corey Maggette wouldn't get more than eight minutes per game on any playoff team. Gerald Henderson is probably their best player and also wouldn't get more than eight minutes on a playoff team.

The young players are going to wash out unless they end up in a better spot. BJ Mullins has some skills (his stint on the Thunder did wonders) but he still wouldn't get off the bench for an actual decent team. Kemba Walker and Bismack have potential but are so woefully lost in an absolutely terrible situation.

I feel awful for them. The team DOES care. They just don't have anyone who can play. It's like watching a Little LEague team with an inexperienced coach who gets rooked in the player selection process by some ruthless coach. But MJ is the textbook reuthless coach. SIgh.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on April 26, 2012, 04:33:34 PM
I am so excited for the Bobcats to lose out the season and cement themselves as the worst basketball team of all-time.

I hope JR breaks 60 tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on April 26, 2012, 07:42:48 PM
Everyone talks about how much of a crap shoot the draft is, but I think the reason so many prospects fail is because most of the time a bad situation is created for a player either by being asked to do too much on a bad team, being placed out of position on a bad-mediocre team or wasting away on the bench of a good team. It is very tough for prospects to get anything close to resembling an ideal situation.

I really wish the NBA would expand the D-League. College basketball is a joke right now, there's no development going on there, just running systems of blue chip players. That said, the D-League is a bigger joke. Each D-League team is the affiliate of 3 NBA teams and very few teams have sent down lottery picks to get NBA training. Why would they? The player isn't going to learn how to play their system anyway. The only sport that doesn't have a true minor league system out of the big 4 (I'll begrudgingly include the NHL as "big" since they help my case) is the NFL and that's just because of the huge rosters. Expand the D-League, expand the draft from 2 rounds to 4 or 5 and it would be very hard to argue that the NBA wouldn't be the best league around. The quality of play would skyrocket.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on April 26, 2012, 10:38:25 PM
Even the NFL could use a real minor league system. College football is pretty much a completely different sport at this point... largely in that it's fun to watch with varied offenses and defenses whereas the NFL bores me to absolute tears.

The NBA also places way too much emphasis on height and body frame. The Classical had a piece on Avery Bradley today -- he fell through the cracks because he's 6'2" but doesn't have the ball-handling skills to run point guard. The Celtics had to play him because of injuries and he's emerged as an absolutely remarkable defensive player.

Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on April 27, 2012, 12:20:46 AM
Time for some bracketeering!

WEST
SAS over Utah in 6.

LAC over Memphis in 7

OKC over Dallas in 5

LAL over Denver in 6


SAS over LAC in 7

LAL over OKC in 7


SAS over LAL in 6


EAST
Chicago over Philly in 4

Atlanta over Boston in 7

Miami over NYK in 6

Indiana over Orlando in 4


Chicago over Atlanta in 6

Miami over Indiana in ??? (can't decide)


Miami over Chicago in 7


FINALS: SAS over Miami in 6
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Drew D on April 27, 2012, 09:06:35 AM
The NBA also places way too much emphasis on height and body frame. The Classical had a piece on Avery Bradley today -- he fell through the cracks because he's 6'2" but doesn't have the ball-handling skills to run point guard. The Celtics had to play him because of injuries and he's emerged as an absolutely remarkable defensive player.



Yes!! I've been saying this too for a while.  I love when a player deemed "too small" for his position ends up proving GMs wrong.  It happens year after year.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: buffcoat on April 27, 2012, 09:12:58 AM
Charlotte is now officially on pace to be the worst team in the history of the league.  Go Bobcats!


Congratulations, Bobcats.  I'm not the world's greatest predictor, but I had faith in you all along.  I got a little scared during the "winning streak," when they won two out of four games in March, but they came through in style - how many teams can look at 23 remaining games, realize they have to lose all of them to get the record, and then deliver?

How does an NBA franchise, even a bad one, manage to equip itself with such a lack of talent?  Even compared to other terrible franchises.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on April 27, 2012, 12:15:39 PM
I really wish the NBA would expand the D-League. College basketball is a joke right now, there's no development going on there, just running systems of blue chip players. That said, the D-League is a bigger joke. Each D-League team is the affiliate of 3 NBA teams and very few teams have sent down lottery picks to get NBA training. Why would they? The player isn't going to learn how to play their system anyway.

Earlier in the season I heard an interview with someone related to the Nets front office discussing the D-League and how it has been sorely underutilized. The Nets made a deal with the Springfield team to be their sole affiliate. The team controls all of the business side, while the Nets control the coaching and player decisions. Despite the Nets being generally lousy, it seemed like they were pretty successful in that aspect this year with Gerald Green's surprising comeback. Apparently Houston has a similar agreement in place. I'd imagine a few more teams will start to catch on to this model because it definitely could provide a competitive advantage.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on April 27, 2012, 02:24:45 PM
My first round predictions

Bulls over Sixers in 5
Heat beat Knicks in 6
Pacers sweep Magic
Boston over ATL in 6
Spurs sweep Jazz
OKC beats Mavs in 6
Lakers over Nuggets in 7
Grizz top Clips in 7
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on April 28, 2012, 07:29:57 PM
I guess the Knicks thought the playoffs were starting next weekend?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on April 29, 2012, 12:15:06 AM
My first round predictions

Bulls over Sixers in 5

Still think this will happen but the news about Rose fucking sucks.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: gravy boat on April 30, 2012, 01:58:17 PM
I guess the Knicks thought the playoffs were starting next weekend?

And the Grizzlies thought they play only 3 quarters in Game 1.  Sh%t.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Chris L on May 01, 2012, 12:22:29 AM
Just coming here to post D-Wade throwing Mike Bibby's shoe out of bounds; probably the last great Bibby-related highlight anyone can remember.

(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1090756/wadeshoe_medium.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: JON IN PHL on May 02, 2012, 07:56:25 PM
Wade is such a douche.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: JON IN PHL on May 03, 2012, 09:33:27 PM
Watching the Knicks try to put up a fight against the Heat in Game 3.

Carmelo Anthony is capable of great offensive production, but he just isn't that good. Another low percentage night.

I'm starting to to think that you can not build a team around him. That much iso just doesn't fly in the NBA and he doesn't seem very interested in tailoring his game in any way to 4 other guys.

Too bad, because he is truly a great talent. If only you could win a ring shooting tons of super long 2's. Melo would have one for every finger.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on May 04, 2012, 09:54:01 AM
These Knicks without Melo have one other guy (Tyson Chandler) who could start on the Heat. And that includes Amar'e who has been terrible. A lot of that might have to do with Melo's arrival but I think more of it has to do with his inability to play any sort of defense, a loss of his athleticism and a sour attitude when things aren't going his way. He wasn't good even when Melo was injured. I just think he's shot at this point. It's a shame because when he's healthy and feeling it he's a total force of nature.

But, yes -- Melo's great but his Denver resume is kinda iffy. He had one big run in 2009 but aside from that the Nuggets no-showed every playoff team he was on. And he had a pretty decent group of teammates with him. And the Nuggets would smoke the Knicks in a playoff series.

I think the Knicks should amnesty Amar'e. That would be best for all parties. They have two excellent players to build around in Melo and Chandler. They have the biggest wildcard in NBA history with Jeremy Lin. All bets are off with him -- he could be All-NBA or he could be a total bust. Might as well roll the dice.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on May 04, 2012, 10:03:17 AM
I also have dubbed Memphis as "America's Team in the best possible version of America". I love that they're a team of ill-fitting cast-offs that could combust at any point but have this total Bruce Springsteen "working class heroes" vibe about them. The only dude on that team who was a "world handed to him on an oyster since he played AAU ball in 3rd grade" is Rudy Gay, and even he took a lot of knocks in college for not bringing it consistently. Everyone has a crazy chip on their shoulder and I love it. Stephen Jackson really belongs on Memphis.

I love how good they've become despite some awful draft whiffs. We can only dream what they'd be like if they didn't draft Hasheem Thabeet over James Harden/Reke Evans/Brandon Jennings. Those guys would RULE on this team since they're total misfits.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: JON IN PHL on May 04, 2012, 10:41:20 AM
Grit and Grind. Memphis is tons of fun to watch. OJ Mayo is so angry. He could easily be a henchman in another life.

Man, the West has some exciting teams. I sure wish the Clips had a few more healthy pieces to go with CP3 because I would love more than one round of playoffs out of him.

I'm starting to wonder if anyone can beat the Spurs. Parker has become almost unguardable and they have so much outside shooting. If Duncan can keep his legs moving for a few more weeks I would not be surprised to see them with another ring. Really hoping for a San Antone vs. OKC conference final.

Last thing about Melo. I know the Knicks stink and have no shot against Miami, but it just seems too easy for the Heat to make Melo a non-factor. He's shooting 34% in the series. I guess I'm just bummed because when he is on, he is incredible to watch.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on May 04, 2012, 12:26:01 PM
I love OJ Mayo, too. That dude was just born in controversy -- playing ultra-competitive hoops starting in 7th grade, bouncing between like eight high schools, selling out arenas while a teenager, going to one of the most corrupt athletic programs in the country to "brand" himself when he was 18, fighting refs, getting USC's season vacated, etc.

I'd be pissed as hell if I was him, too. He has essentially been a professional basketball player since the age of 12.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Dennis on May 06, 2012, 04:39:14 AM
after watching tonight's games, allow me three words, please: james fucking harden.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on May 06, 2012, 08:34:14 PM
That Mavs/OKC series might be one of my favorite 4-game sweeps. Really interesting, fun games.

In other news, I'm currently praying that Andrew Bynum wakes up in time for tonight's game. Oh, Lakers. Never change. You buncha high-maintenance, arrogant, jerk-butts.

Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on May 11, 2012, 06:13:47 PM
I can barely concentrate thanks to this latest Lakers meltdown. Jesus. What a mess. Time to listen to some S&W. Oh, and work. I should probably be working.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: fonpr on May 11, 2012, 06:34:16 PM
I should probably be working.
Only if you want to eat.

If not, you're free.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on May 11, 2012, 09:15:09 PM
Oh, you. Always with the logic.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on May 11, 2012, 09:21:38 PM
I have a feeling that the Lakers are going to win game 7 with Artest back, but it would be nice to be wrong there. I'm rooting for Philly, I really hope they can pull the upset over Boston. They don't have a chance against Miami or Indiana but they can beat Boston. I'm pulling for Memphis, OKC, 76ers and Pacers with an OKC/Pacers finals. It's probably going to be Spurs, OKC, Boston, Miami with a Spurs/Miami final. If I was betting $20 to win a nice amount, I'd take the Pacers to win it all.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on May 12, 2012, 01:12:55 AM
The Grizzlies tonight had Hadid Haddadi and Gil Arenas on the court at the same time. That is why I love them.

I don't think I have ever soured on a team like I have the Clippers. Who didn't love it when CP3 ended up on that team and the birth of Lob City? Now they're just non-stop floppers and cry every single whistle. But what really stinks is that, just when they're at their most irritating, there will be something like Blake diving for a loose ball against three other dudes and then passing it to Deandre or CP3 doing some more 4th quarter heroics. I want that team! I don't want the team where Blake acts like he got shot from a rifle when Earl Boykins handchecks him.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Dennis on May 12, 2012, 02:30:35 AM
Spot on analysis, Greggulator.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on May 12, 2012, 07:57:31 AM
The Grizzlies tonight had Hadid Haddadi and Gil Arenas on the court at the same time. That is why I love them.

I don't think I have ever soured on a team like I have the Clippers. Who didn't love it when CP3 ended up on that team and the birth of Lob City? Now they're just non-stop floppers and cry every single whistle. But what really stinks is that, just when they're at their most irritating, there will be something like Blake diving for a loose ball against three other dudes and then passing it to Deandre or CP3 doing some more 4th quarter heroics. I want that team! I don't want the team where Blake acts like he got shot from a rifle when Earl Boykins handchecks him.

That was fun to watch, but how was it not a travel? I am asking this sincerely.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: buffcoat on May 12, 2012, 09:17:35 AM
The Grizzlies tonight had Hadid Haddadi and Gil Arenas on the court at the same time. That is why I love them.

I don't think I have ever soured on a team like I have the Clippers. Who didn't love it when CP3 ended up on that team and the birth of Lob City? Now they're just non-stop floppers and cry every single whistle. But what really stinks is that, just when they're at their most irritating, there will be something like Blake diving for a loose ball against three other dudes and then passing it to Deandre or CP3 doing some more 4th quarter heroics. I want that team! I don't want the team where Blake acts like he got shot from a rifle when Earl Boykins handchecks him.

That was fun to watch, but how was it not a travel? I am asking this sincerely.


You're thinking college basketball.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Key Loser on May 12, 2012, 11:07:51 AM
Philly v Boston series should be awesome.

Im a little upset the Bulls didnt make it, but they were destined to fail without Noah and Rose.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on May 12, 2012, 12:41:31 PM
I have a feeling that the Lakers are going to win game 7 with Artest back, but it would be nice to be wrong there.

Why?! Why must you wish pain upon me! I have a kid. It's not fair to her to see Daddy like this.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Flat1andeer on May 13, 2012, 11:26:05 AM
I had the pleasure to attend last nights game in Boston. I've never seen a team show as much guts and heart as the Celtics did last night. It felt like they were down 15-20 points the entire game. Rondo hitting three straigt jumpers down the stretch was the most surprising thing I have ever seen. If Garnett can stay healthy and Ray can get on track, Miami could have a problem in the East finals.

As far as the West goes, I don't see a team like OKC beating the Spurs but look for Memphis to give them a tough series if they get past the Clips today (which they will). San Antonio lacks the ability to stop size and Gasol/Zbo could give them fits down low.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on May 15, 2012, 01:57:37 AM
Re: Lakers vs OKC

Ruh-roh.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: JON IN PHL on May 17, 2012, 05:50:07 PM
Loving the playoffs so far.

Sixers are still alive which is nice (unless you like scoring) although it seems Boston is going to teach them a lesson. If they can figure out some form of reliable offense next year, they could make some strides.

OKC is so much fun to watch (especially when Laker losses are part of the equation) and Harden is easily my favorite player in the league right now. He reminds me of Mega-Man.

San Antonio looks like a Championship Team for sure. Hard to see anyone holding that offense down over 7 games.

Very interesting to see what happens with Miami. I still think they make it past Indiana, but if Bosh isn't back and contributing I don't see them standing much of a chance against whoever survives the West.

At this point, is there anyone less likable in the league than Dwyane Wade? If the constant whining, flailing, and flopping wasn't enough he has emerged as a legitimately dirty player. Broke Kobe's nose in the ASG, hit Lucas III with a really dangerous pick, and then ran over Collison like a Free Safety. I admit he is an amazing and at times transcendent player, but I couldn't enjoy watching him less. Such a douche.



Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on May 17, 2012, 09:13:10 PM
(http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/terminal05/2012/4/30/21/anigif_enhanced-buzz-5551-1335834507-7.gif)

I used to like Wade, thought he was a pretty classy guy. I think this sums it up:

Mr. Show - Change (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FoHzPSynEg#)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: gravy boat on May 18, 2012, 10:54:24 AM
I, too, detest Wade but I thought that shoe throw was pretty funny and harmless.  I do think his hit on Collison was a punk move.  When things don't go his way, he is a huge baby.  Dwyane Wade flagrant foul on Darren Collison Heat vs Pacers Game 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMLnOTewYGg#ws)

Good for the Pacers. Team basketball.

Let's hope the Thunder keep it moving tonight.  Harden is one of my favorite players too--he drives the lane so fast and fearless.

Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on May 18, 2012, 03:41:54 PM
The shoe throw would have been a lot funnier if it was done by a guy who had a sense of humor about things. Like Wade two years ago. Heck, even Lebron would have been able to play that off as funny. 2012 Wade just comes off as a jerk.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on May 18, 2012, 03:50:55 PM
I hate D-Wade so much.

As much as I detest LeBron, Wade should get absolutely ripped for what he's done against Indiana. LBJ got torn a new one for passing up the shot in Game 2. But before that, a play -- and a beautiful one, at that -- was drawn up to get Wade the ball in the high post. Instead of trying to score, he took a dive trying to get a foul call. And when he didn't -- and he wasn't fouled -- he just had this look of disdain and then complained.

Him yelling at Coach Spo was pretty awful. Uh, Dwyane, you don't have to take fadeaway 20-foot jump shots every single time down the court, dude.

If the Heat don't win the title, there's going to be some major changes in Miami. At the very least, Spo's fired (and deservedly) at the end of the season. At the very most, we can expect a LBJ/D-Wade war of words at some point in the off-season.

My prediction: Phil jackson, next MIA coach.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on May 18, 2012, 07:24:42 PM
Does anybody else think that slashers are kind of worthless? I know Rose is considered a slasher and wins and maybe a couple other guys, but 9 out of 10 times a slasher is just basically a play stopper, and when you have a guy like Lebron who is pretty great at moving the ball around, I wonder if they would have been better off losing Wade instead of Bosh.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Andy on May 19, 2012, 09:40:38 AM
41 of the Lakers 99 points were from free throws??? And did you see the fouls called on harden? Terrible
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on May 22, 2012, 06:03:15 PM
Still in mourning for this Lakers season. What a schizophrenic, stop-start mess. And it may only get messier. Next year could see a new SF, new PF, new C, new PG, and new coach.

Can't decide whether this OKC loss, or last year's Mavs loss hit me harder.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on May 23, 2012, 12:26:38 AM
I don't know if you'll see a new coach, he got an aged Lakers team to the Conference semis. The fact that they were looking at Ramon Sessions as their point guard of the future says a lot about the state of that team. They're definitely going to trade Gasol, not sure what they can get in return though. There's money coming off the books to get some depth. The question is what to do with Bynum. I think they'll pick up the option, but I wouldn't fault them for letting him go to free up salary to fill some holes. Whatever they do, they need to remain a contender because no way is Kobe going to play his final years for a rebuilding team. But, I think they can easily blow up the team, prepare for a Kobeless future and remain a contender. They are the Lakers after all even if I don't want to admit that.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on May 23, 2012, 10:57:24 PM
GAME 7!

1 2 3 4 5 SIXERS! Philadelphia 76ers Oldschool Anthem (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEKK3GVd150&feature=related#)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on May 24, 2012, 04:55:59 PM
Congrats to all the Phiadelphianites for their boys getting this far.  I'm rooting for you.

But man, I don't think you could pay me to watch a 68-62 NBA game.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on May 25, 2012, 12:15:31 PM
Congrats to all the Phiadelphianites for their boys getting this far.  I'm rooting for you.

But man, I don't think you could pay me to watch a 68-62 NBA game.

This series is probably the worst best series of all-time. Any Game 7 with some drama is compelling. But the basketball has been BRUTAL.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on May 25, 2012, 03:23:50 PM
It seems like the Celtics have been involved in quite a number "Best-Worst" series. Hell, even I'll admit the 2010 Finals against my Lakers was pretty rough-going. I don't recall any particularly great basketball being played in even one of those seven games.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on May 25, 2012, 03:43:39 PM
Boston-Chicago Round 1 that year was absurdly great basketball. Arguably the best seven games any two teams have ever played against each other. Crap, I know what I'm doing... highlights of the Noah dunk coming up!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: JON IN PHL on May 28, 2012, 10:00:45 PM
Greggulator, don't forget highlights of Rondo breaking the face of - I think it was Hinrich? - on a Chicago clear path breakaway. Still one of the dirtiest plays I have seen live. Pretty sure he didnt even get hit with a flagrant. Can't help but love Rondo though.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on May 29, 2012, 02:35:22 PM
Boston-Chicago was '09, right? Or '08? Without consulting Wikipedia, I'm positive Boston played Miami in R1 in '10.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on May 30, 2012, 09:44:47 AM
The OKC Thunder are a very good basketball team. They may, in fact, be an excellent basketball team. But they have absolutely no chance against the San Antonio Spurs who are playing as well as any team has in the past two decades. The Spurs had a stretch in the second half last night that was as good as basketball can be played -- perfect spacing, amazing passing, etc. A lot of folks on Twitter were ripping Scott Brooks for the Thunder's inability to stop the Spurs. I think there were only a handful of teams ever who could stop the Spurs last night.

(There were also a bunch of goofs ripping on Russ Westbrook for some reason, too. Give me a break.)

20 wins in a row and counting. A Hall of Fame Coach with a truly lethal, deep and diverse roster. A borderline (and now probably likely) HOF point guard in Tony Parker playing at his peak. A rested Manu still making the most creative shots in the game. The best PF of all time playing verywell. This is a special run we're seeing.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: buffcoat on May 30, 2012, 10:46:41 AM
Matthew Yglesias agrees, and takes the point much, much further:

The NBA’s most successful franchise reveals that America is a nation of hypocrites.

http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2012/05/san_antonio_spurs_2012_the_nba_s_most_successful_franchise_reveals_that_america_is_a_nation_of_hypocrites_.html (http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2012/05/san_antonio_spurs_2012_the_nba_s_most_successful_franchise_reveals_that_america_is_a_nation_of_hypocrites_.html)

Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: gravy boat on May 30, 2012, 10:50:35 AM
Agree. Watched last night and thought the Thunder played very well but it was not even close.  I thought Brooks coached well -- particularly by going to Hack a Splitter to disrupt the Spurs offensive run, which worked.  The Spurs are playing very good defense on Durant, too. I do think the Thunder will take at least of 1of the next 2--the Spurs' 3-point shooting has to drop off (I think).  The people talking about the Spurs running the table again are a little ahead of themselves.

I am rooting for the Thunder and have not watched the Spurs much all year--but the Spurs are a lot different than I thought.  Lots of passing and creative offensive.  Fun team to watch. 
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: gravy boat on May 30, 2012, 10:56:41 AM
Matthew Yglesias agrees, and takes the point much, much further:

The NBA’s most successful franchise reveals that America is a nation of hypocrites.

http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2012/05/san_antonio_spurs_2012_the_nba_s_most_successful_franchise_reveals_that_america_is_a_nation_of_hypocrites_.html (http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2012/05/san_antonio_spurs_2012_the_nba_s_most_successful_franchise_reveals_that_america_is_a_nation_of_hypocrites_.html)

I think what Yglesias is missing is that a lot of people turned off the Spurs years ago when they had largely the same leaders (Pop, Duncan and Parker)  and they were a boring team to watch. They also had plenty of bad, uncompetitive behavior that many fans don't really warm up to (Exhibit #1: Robert Hobby hip-checking Steve Nash into the scoring table during the playoffs; Exhibits 2--102-- at least 100 instances of Bowen undercutting shooters).
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on May 30, 2012, 11:16:09 AM
I never bought into Spurs hate. I didn't love them as much as I loved The Kings of Fun or 7 Seconds or Less but I never hated them. This was largely for two reasons. 1) While the team definitely was jerky (Bowen, etc.) and a bit plodding, Manu's one of the most exciting players of his generation. A left-handed whirling dirvish playing basketball at the most ridiculous angles. 2) The early 00s Lakers bored me to tears. While Kobe was pretty spectacular, just feeding the ball to Shaq was soooooooo awful.

The Spurs last year were playing some awesome basketball. But then they ran into a Memphis team that peaked at the right time that was the worst possible matchup. But now it's just off-the-charts. The sweep of Utah wasn't shocking, since the Jazz were the biggest overachievers this year. But sweeping the Clippers, even with a banged up CP3, is really impressive.

Sweeping the rest of the playoffs is going to be absurdly hard. But I wouldn't doubt it.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Tom Scharpling on May 30, 2012, 03:26:13 PM
The Spurs will most likely win the championship. They're great.

But they are not interesting to me at all. Never have been and never will be. I find them boring. That's my opinion. They were responsible for one of the all-time worst Finals series against the Nets (2002?) and to me they are the bad/boring penny that will not go away.

And sweeping the Clippers - a team that had never been to the second round with their #1 player (who I also think is overrated) banged up is not even remotely impressive.

Tom.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on May 30, 2012, 06:29:27 PM
Right, the Clips series didn't impress me at all, I said talk to me when they beat a good team. But, I give in, this team is the real deal as much as it pains me to say it because I'm not a fan of watching Duncan mechanically put up his numbers, not a fan of watching Manu flop up and down the court and the Spurs will always be sour to me because of Bowen. That said, I'm rooting for them until they lose a game, because it would be pretty amazing to watch a team sweep the playoffs. That accomplishment would put them in the conversation of greatest team ever, and no matter who the team, seeing history in the making is a sports fan's dream.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: buffcoat on May 30, 2012, 06:46:35 PM
Teams overly focused on sweeping can end up losing series.  I don't see it happening with Popovich, but if they're up 1-0 in the Finals he needs to make them extra focused on Game 2 as opposed to a 4-game sweep.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: JON IN PHL on May 31, 2012, 12:09:13 PM
Rondo!
One of the best individual performances I've ever seen.
Dude played all 53 minutes at full speed.
Refs blew it with the no call on the foul to his face. That swung the game.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on May 31, 2012, 01:10:45 PM
And sweeping the Clippers - a team that had never been to the second round with their #1 player (who I also think is overrated) banged up is not even remotely impressive.

Tom.

Tom not liking Chris Paul is my favorite of his NBA Opinions. I don't know why. I just love it.  In fact, I'll add something: If Chris Paul's such a great guy and amazing competitor, why did he slither his way out of New Orleans?

(P.S. Derek Fisher did the same thing this year with Houston. I hate - HATE - this "great guy, amazing competitor" player narrative ESPN spins)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Tom Scharpling on May 31, 2012, 03:04:50 PM
I don't have a problem with veteran players buying their way out of trades that doom them to horrible teams when the window is closing on them. So I can't fault Fisher, who has always seemed like a decent guy, even though he played on teams that I didn't like.

Tom.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on June 04, 2012, 01:23:57 AM
The Western Conference Finals has been awesome. San Antonio has looked absolutely amazing. The Thunder have grown up in response. Just an awesome series and a complete thrill to watch.

The Eastern Conference Finals have been terrible. Miami and Boston aren't quite lousy but they're nowhere near as excellent as the West. The only guy worth watching is Rondo (and his fascinating relationship with Doris Berke). I've learned to hate Wade these past few weeks. What a total crybaby he's become. He's somehow more irritating to watch than Paul Pierce.

I'm so numb to LBJ right now. There's nothing he can do that will make anyone happy. People on Twitter were giving him crap for passing to an open Shane Battier while he was being triple teamed at the end of regulation. He dug his own grave with the "Not five, not six but..." live after The Decision. But it's tiresome.

The ESPN nimrods were ripping on Spolestra after this game and said he drew up a bad play at the end of OT. Wade completely shook off the play and went looking for his shot. And, instead of driving (and being a guy who has pretty much gotten every call he's ever looked for), he decided to take an off-balance three pointer when he shoots less than 30% from deep.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on June 05, 2012, 10:10:11 AM
I said before that I thought the Spurs looked like one of the Top 15 teams of all-time. Tom has given me guff on Twitter about this. But after winning 20 in a row and putting on the clinic of clinics in Game 2, I thought I was on the right track.

I will admit to being wrong (albeit the series is far from over). And I will say that I am GLADLY wrong because I love OKC like every other right-minded basketball fan. The kids are learning to, in the parlance of Larry Brown, play the right way. They always have but relied a lot on isos and other forms of simple basketball. But they've looked really transcendent the past three games. I really think this could be the start of a few years of amazing basketball.

The only problem they have is finding KD at key moments. In Game 4, they didn't and he did what Dirk did last season, only arguably better. But Russell and Harden are both more than capable of hitting big shots as well. Finding that end-of-game balance is the end game for them. Once they get that down, then there's an incredible team in the making. And their "Core Four" (when you count Ibaka) are all under 24 . YIKES!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Tom Scharpling on June 05, 2012, 03:31:45 PM
Sorry, Greggulator. The Spurs could win this series and they would've removed themselves from your debate. No Top 15 All-Time Team would lose three in a row like that.


Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on June 05, 2012, 04:05:39 PM
Sorry, Greggulator. The Spurs could win this series and they would've removed themselves from your debate. No Top 15 All-Time Team would lose three in a row like that.

I agree with that. But if they sneak past OKC and win the whole thing, that shows the "resiliency of a champion" that Rick Reilly will love.

These are two fantastic basketball teams.

I will be so incredibly pissed if the dregs of the East win this thing.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Tom Scharpling on June 05, 2012, 05:49:42 PM
I'm very concerned about what Rick Reilly is going to think of things.

And yes, this series is far from over. The Spurs could very well still win it all. But the legendary status of this team has now been tossed out the window.

Tom.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Kid Pain on June 05, 2012, 11:35:44 PM
4 of the 5 ECF games have been wildly fun.

Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on June 06, 2012, 11:16:51 AM
Make that 5 out of 6.

I really hate rooting for the Celtics. Since I grew up in an Irish-Catholic neighborhood in North Jersey, I was surrounded by Celtics fans who were attached to the nickname and also racist and attached themselves to a team led by white guys. I lived in Boston for a bit of the Antoine Walker era (more like the Jiri Welsh era) and remember quite well more than a few games with less than 10,000 in attendance. Since I hated a lot of the people I grew up with, and the "Boston is America's best sports city" is a total lie, I hate that franchise.

The C's do get some points, though. Even though Red Auerbach was one of the all-time great sports villains, the teams' best player was an outspoken African-American playing in a then very racist area. And he invented fast-break basketball. Also, I love the way Rajan Rondo plays, and Doc Rivers seems like a good dude, even though the rest of that team is comprised of some truly hatable people.

But I looove what they’re doing to Miami. Miami was at their absolute worst last night. I remember at the local courts growing up the times when the really good players would all play on the same team against us scrubs just to try and humiliate us. And they’d always have one guy who would net-hang. And they’d call the most Mickey Mouse fouls. The Heat are exactly that. And not that the Celtics are scrubs or a rootable group of ragtag castoffs, but the Heat just want everything to be handed to them on a silver platter.

I loved Van Gundy calling out Wade for whining to the refs instead of getting back to play defense. Good for him. He’s great, even though his partner’s grotesque.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on June 06, 2012, 11:17:55 AM
And screw LBJ and Wade for skipping out on the press conference. Instead, they threw Bosh out there. He played 14 minutes and had some person die at his house 24 hours earlier.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Kid Pain on June 06, 2012, 12:28:28 PM
That the Heat still stop and complain instead of getting back in transition AFTER getting called out by Rondo on it days ago is mind boggling.

Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on June 06, 2012, 02:17:38 PM
I'm officially retiring from picking playoff series until the 2014 playoffs. I can't get over how many times this year has flipped my 20+ years of dedicated NBA viewing/knowledge (well, semi-confirmed biases) on its head.

I'm so mad at the Heat. I hate rooting for that group of ess-hit heads, but, as a Laker die-hard, I can never root for Boston. In fact, I can't root for any of that city's teams.

At least I have the Kings. As in LA Kings. As in hockey. The *other* Spring playoff sport.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: buffcoat on June 06, 2012, 02:20:05 PM
It is the time to say that I really like Kevin Garnett.  Not the nicest guy, but I believe him when he says he takes his basketball seriously.  He and Allen and Pierce have made their run last years beyond when most people predicted it would.  Contrast that with the Heat, who are imploding after two years (and not five and not six and not seven).
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on June 06, 2012, 02:28:27 PM
True, even I'll admit that Boston's Big Four play harder and are mentally tougher than the Lakers and maybe even the Spurs (we'll see tonight).

Garnett kinda reminds me of a pitcher who cruises through the regular  season to a good, but not great, record of 16-10 3.40 era, but then turns into a 7-0 1.30 super ace come playoff time.

Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Crusherkc on June 06, 2012, 03:08:23 PM
I really hate rooting for the Celtics. Since I grew up in an Irish-Catholic neighborhood in North Jersey, I was surrounded by Celtics fans who were attached to the nickname and also racist and attached themselves to a team led by white guys.

I love the way Rajan Rondo plays, and Doc Rivers seems like a good dude, even though the rest of that team is comprised of some truly hatable people.

But I looove what they’re doing to Miami. .

I can't blame you. If I weren't from here no way would I like Boston sports or Boston fans (or Boston sports radio) but I am and I do like the C's and the Pats (and that's it).  During the C's/Phil. playoffs Cs fans at the [insert corporate name] Garden were chanting "Sca-la-bri-ni" - the former C's backbencher who was white, has red hair and was most popular on the team amongst the bridge and tunnel crowd. Not that hard to guess why.  Shameful. Ignomnious. 

With that said, Go Celtics. If only for Doc Rivers to get deserved recognition for the job he's done for this franchise.  And even though Garnett's supposed to be "yeah he's an asshole but he's our asshole", I'll never forgive him for taunting Charlie Villanueva as "a cancer patient".  Fuck that guy. Just win it and go away.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Kid Pain on June 06, 2012, 03:12:44 PM
I'm a pretty serious Celtics fan and honestly feel like I've come to grips with the end of the KG/Allen/PP run about a dozen times already over the past few years, and then they go and go farther than I could have imagined every year. Every playoff series win since KG hurt his knee has been gravy. Similar feelings towards Rondo, too. He always plays above the ceiling I've imagined for him in the playoffs.

To my eye, Garnett has been a bit more "Good Intense" than "Obnoxious Taunting" this year. I could be biased.

Hope they close it on Thursday. I thought they'd make it 6 games max without Bradley.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: mark b on June 06, 2012, 04:58:16 PM
The first two rounds of the playoffs this year were really disappointing, probably because of the injuries. The conference finals have been awesome though.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Chris L on June 06, 2012, 05:00:33 PM
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Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: nec13 on June 06, 2012, 08:10:20 PM
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Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Eric Fishlegs on June 06, 2012, 08:20:26 PM
I really hate rooting for the Celtics. Since I grew up in an Irish-Catholic neighborhood in North Jersey, I was surrounded by Celtics fans who were attached to the nickname and also racist and attached themselves to a team led by white guys.

I love the way Rajan Rondo plays, and Doc Rivers seems like a good dude, even though the rest of that team is comprised of some truly hatable people.

But I looove what they’re doing to Miami. .

I can't blame you. If I weren't from here no way would I like Boston sports or Boston fans (or Boston sports radio) but I am and I do like the C's and the Pats (and that's it).  During the C's/Phil. playoffs Cs fans at the [insert corporate name] Garden were chanting "Sca-la-bri-ni" - the former C's backbencher who was white, has red hair and was most popular on the team amongst the bridge and tunnel crowd. Not that hard to guess why.  Shameful. Ignomnious. 

With that said, Go Celtics. If only for Doc Rivers to get deserved recognition for the job he's done for this franchise.  And even though Garnett's supposed to be "yeah he's an asshole but he's our asshole", I'll never forgive him for taunting Charlie Villanueva as "a cancer patient".  Fuck that guy. Just win it and go away.

I think it was Bob Ryan who once said that Celtics fans are not racist, but every racist's favorite team is the Boston Celtics.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on June 06, 2012, 09:18:25 PM
Garnett was said to be a terrible teammate when he was here in Minnesota. Now, that could be because his teammates weren't committed to winning like Garnett obviously is, but you wonder if he could have won in Minnesota if he lifted his teammates up rather than fighting with them. I can't stand Boston sports at all, their fans all believe that their teams are the antithesis to New York and LA and the media buys into it as well. I have no problem with New York and LA teams because at least they know their teams have money to blow and players want to come to their cities. Boston fans and the media portray their teams like they are Salt Lake City and the ultimate underdogs. Can't stand that!

As for race issues, I want to believe that the majority of Celtics fans aren't racist and every team has that to some extent. A lot of people here in Minnesota who turned not only off the Wolves but also the NBA came back this year and I have to believe that has something to do with their three stars being white. It is what it is, but the majority of Wolves fans couldn't care less as long as they are playing better. I know that race is in play in Boston, but I'm not going to hate on a team because they have some racist fans, I'm going to hate them because their fans think all their teams are Rudy.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: buffcoat on June 07, 2012, 12:52:02 AM
At least that doesn't happen with the Pacers.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on June 07, 2012, 09:25:08 AM
I am so incredibly pumped for OKC (even though Tom continues to ridicule me on Twitter for saying the Spurs were on pace to being a Top 15 team of all-time). I think they're America's Team -- the most lovable good team in any sport right now. The only gripe anyone has is that KD a lot of times doesn't get the ball in the fourth, but a lot of that is because teams want Westbrook or Harden to take control and are shading KD away from the ball. And Westbrook and Harden are great and should take big shots at times.

Everything came together brilliantly the past four nights. They went from having overwhelming talent to having overwhelming talent that has figured out very nicely how to play great basketball. They out-Spured the Spurs.

I have never liked dynasties in pro sports. But if OKC does start the roll they're capable of -- their young core are still babies -- then this could be a great few years with those guys at the front of the league.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Wes on June 07, 2012, 10:13:12 AM
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As a basketball moment, this is such a terrible image. As a "trying out for the 'Telephone Hour' part in Bye Bye Birdie" viral campaign, though, it'd be fantastic.

Wade turning into a guy who plays for the foul instead of the shot and thus becoming more unlikeable than LeBron has been the worst part of the Miami nightmare experience. Shaq had that famous quote about Penny being Fredo, Kobe being Sonny and Wade being Michael Corleone (remember that Shaq?), and watching Wade rolling around on the floor and staring up at refs after every play feels like Wade has moved into Devil's Advocate/S1m0ne-era Pacino now. I don't remember going from liking a player to dreading watching him as fast as this.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: InspectorHound on June 07, 2012, 10:28:24 AM
I am so incredibly pumped for OKC (even though Tom continues to ridicule me on Twitter for saying the Spurs were on pace to being a Top 15 team of all-time). I think they're America's Team -- the most lovable good team in any sport right now.
All the more tragic that they're not still in Seattle.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: nec13 on June 07, 2012, 10:54:23 AM
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As a basketball moment, this is such a terrible image. As a "trying out for the 'Telephone Hour' part in Bye Bye Birdie" viral campaign, though, it'd be fantastic.

Wade turning into a guy who plays for the foul instead of the shot and thus becoming more unlikeable than LeBron has been the worst part of the Miami nightmare experience. Shaq had that famous quote about Penny being Fredo, Kobe being Sonny and Wade being Michael Corleone (remember that Shaq?), and watching Wade rolling around on the floor and staring up at refs after every play feels like Wade has moved into Devil's Advocate/S1m0ne-era Pacino now. I don't remember going from liking a player to dreading watching him as fast as this.

Agreed.

Wade used to be a pleasure to watch, going back to his days at Marquette. Now he's become the most detestable player on a roster with no shortage of them.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on June 07, 2012, 01:05:33 PM
My issue with Wade is that he's 30 and plays an ugly, crashing, thrashing, splashing form of SG. His play at 23 was unsustainable and we're seeing it now, as he's failed to develop a consistent outside game, ala Kobe or Jordan.

Chris Bosh looks like a guy in drag dressed as a man. Sort of a Madea feedback loop.

On the subject of racist fans...

No die hard fan of the NBA can ultimately be racist. If that makes sense (I know, it really doesn't, but stay with me). I think the bigger issue is the vast majority of the country that expresses animosity toward the NBA and doesn't watch or follow it at all. I often encounter people who deride the NBA with loaded words like "selfish thugs" and blablabla. Those people are far worse than any Celtics fan. Who, after all, are still watching and enjoying and supporting the League with their money and time.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on June 07, 2012, 01:19:13 PM
When was the last time someone from the NBA got arrested? I can't even remember a DUI...

I think OKC's dynasty faces a severe threat from its ownership group. A 20% stake is owned by Aubrey McClendon, the CEO of Chesapeake Energy (who the arena is named after and America's leader in natural gas fracking). He's under a ton of pressure from all of these dubious side deals he's made with his company. Essentially, he's mortgaged out of his mind. He even had some loan with his stake in the Thunder as collateral.

This can really hurt OKC down the line. The SEC is after McClendon right now. Also, with natural gas prices as low as they are right now, he really could face a major cash problem. He had to sell about $500 million of his stock in his own company a few years ago because of the same thing.

In a best case scenario, he'll sell of his stake (and there will be shortage of buyers) and they'll rename the arena after whatever Oklahoma-based energy company wants some publicity.

In a worst case scenario: his loans come due and whoever floated him that loan takes his shares. That will end up in some crazy court case. And that can really screw up the team's finances, just as they need to make some big contract decisions.

I used to be an energy journalist. A few of us who are NBA fans were discussing this months ago. A lot of this is just being reported now. It's something to keep an eye on.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: nec13 on June 07, 2012, 02:45:50 PM
Unfortunately, the NBA has a reputation for being a league full of so-called "thugs." It's a shame because that reputation is largely undeserved. You rarely, if ever, hear about NBA players getting arrested, even for petty offenses. I think whatever criminal issues the NBA may have had have been largely rooted out of the league at this point.

Another common complaint seems to be that NBA players don't play the game the "right way." This is one critique I don't particularly understand. IMO, the quality of basketball in the NBA hasn't been this good since the late 80's/early 90's. 



Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on June 07, 2012, 02:46:13 PM
OKC also has the problem that this team's gonna be hard-to-impossible to keep together. Which, of course, is the terrible hypocrisy of this league. They want us to fall in love with an OKC team as the epitome of a small-market done right, but the CBA prevents not just small markets, but big markets, from keeping championship teams together. The league would rather have every one be "pretty good" rather than a few awesome teams. And I know, the average fan may feel that way, too, but it ultimately leads to crap ratings and lower interest. I mean, really, Boston-OKC is NOT going to light up any ratings charts. It's just not. The NBA is not the NFL, where casual views will tune to watch any two teams play.

Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Kid Pain on June 07, 2012, 06:39:35 PM
Not to be a complete homer, but this video highlighting the different introductions of the Big Threes made me laugh:

http://www.csnne.com/pages/video?PID=lMszCXZ4qmEiOmy564dgMFfmHHN4UpBd (http://www.csnne.com/pages/video?PID=lMszCXZ4qmEiOmy564dgMFfmHHN4UpBd)

Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: YuriDedman on June 07, 2012, 08:57:12 PM
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Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on June 07, 2012, 10:31:58 PM
Beasley was arrested before the season started for pot possession.

The "selfish thug" label is starting to be racist, but we're only 10 years removed from the league being just awful in terms of image, players getting arrested and then it all came to a crescendo with the Malice in the Palace. I don't think that any league ever saw as many fans stop watching the sport as the NBA did in the early '00s and most of those people never came back. Most of those people still have that league in their head when they think NBA, because not only was the image bad, the game being played was pretty awful too. Only diehard NBA fans stuck it out, but again we are 10 years removed from that era, it's beginning to get a little racist. The NFL basically gets a free pass with all of their arrests, and hockey players can start fights every night, baseball players can charge the mound and throw punches, but a punch thrown on an NBA court and everybody's screaming for season long bans. I don't think anybody realized at the time how much of a lasting effect the Malice in the Palace would have.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: nec13 on June 09, 2012, 11:09:14 PM
So...Miami and OKC...who ya got?

My prediction? Thunder in 6.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: buffcoat on June 11, 2012, 07:00:24 AM
I thought of this immediately after the series was set - is this the first time that two North American professional major sports teams with singular mascots have played in a championship?

Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: senorcorazon on June 11, 2012, 07:54:15 AM
This wikipedia entry is amazing:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burnie_(mascot) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burnie_(mascot))
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on June 12, 2012, 10:27:04 AM
I am SO excited for tonight.

The atmosphere in OKC must be insane today. I know that they stole the team from Seattle. I know they're ownership are a bunch of jerks. But for a small city like OKC with the most likable elite players in memory... it's going to be such an awesome atmosphere.

The Phillies big run the past few years has legitimately changed the city. It's become so much more alive and, no matter if you're at the hipster-type bars or at some lunkhead place (I frequent both), so much of the city's life revolves around baseball. That has to be quadrupled in a city with OKC which is so completely under the national radar with no other pro sports team for hundreds of miles.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Andy on June 12, 2012, 01:08:13 PM
I paid way too much to be at the game tonight. Hopefully I don't jinx them.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on June 12, 2012, 03:58:21 PM
I paid way too much to be at the game tonight. Hopefully I don't jinx them.

Cash is temporary but memories are forever! Tonight's game is one of the all-time great "if I could be anywhere right now, it would be Oklahoma City, and I can't believe I just said that" moments.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Andy on June 12, 2012, 04:37:44 PM
yeah, my wife is pretty fired up and the tickets weren't THAT expensive.  The pessimist in me is afraid that Wade or Lebron goes off for 50 or something ridiculous.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on June 12, 2012, 11:47:51 PM
yeah, my wife is pretty fired up and the tickets weren't THAT expensive.  The pessimist in me is afraid that Wade or Lebron goes off for 50 or something ridiculous.

Please give us a recap of your night! That was one of the best sports crowds ever. OKC was pretty amazing last night.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Racan on June 14, 2012, 12:32:49 PM
Not sure if anybody watched this, but Metta World Peace is in Vancouver and recently did the weather on a local TV station. It's pretty funny watching him mispronounce the names of British Columbia towns.

Metta World Peace - the Weathercaster on CTV BC (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg192ZvpNwU#ws)

He also played in a charity soccer match in the Downtown Eastside and even stopped by Insite, which I think was very kind of him.

Definitely seems like a pretty awesome dude, although I feel pretty bad for Harden having to deal with that concussion. Hope he's good to destroy the Heat. Go Thunder!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: buffcoat on June 14, 2012, 03:23:55 PM
To be fair, I have problems saying Viketoria and Vancowver as well.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: senorcorazon on June 15, 2012, 08:37:15 AM
He also has trouble saying Lost Angusless
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: fonpr on June 15, 2012, 09:00:07 AM
He also has trouble saying Lost Angusless

"He walks again by night."
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Andy on June 18, 2012, 12:03:58 AM
ugh
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: senorcorazon on June 18, 2012, 08:07:58 AM
ugh

Most fitting description of that game. I ended up switching over to Hitch more frequently as it started to resemble the 2006 Finals. I'd love for the NBA to change the rules on attempts to draw fouls, which seems to be 80% of Wade's offense.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: JON IN PHL on June 18, 2012, 09:27:17 AM
I wish the NBA would do away with everything but foul shooting. Each player on both teams gets to shoot 10 free throws a piece. The team that makes the most is the winner. Now THAT is basketball.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: gravy boat on June 18, 2012, 10:04:17 AM
ugh

Most fitting description of that game. I ended up switching over to Hitch more frequently as it started to resemble the 2006 Finals. I'd love for the NBA to change the rules on attempts to draw fouls, which seems to be 80% of Wade's offense.

I thought the game was very exciting even if disappointing in the end -- like any decent person, I am rooting for OKC. Man, LeBron played about a complete basketball game last night as I've seen.  Incredible defense on Durant especially in the 4Q.   
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: gravy boat on June 21, 2012, 07:44:03 PM
Funny, funny, funny.

By Tom.

http://theclassical.org/articles/sports-from-the-future-part-one (http://theclassical.org/articles/sports-from-the-future-part-one)

I want that Mecha Gasol card.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on June 21, 2012, 11:24:27 PM
This Heat team is either clicking at the right time, or they are finally putting it altogether. If the latter is the case, watch out... with adjustments to the bench in the offseason they could put together a special season next year, and really for many years to come.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on June 22, 2012, 10:05:56 AM
The Heat's bench caught fire the past few games after being terrible for most of the season. Once Battier and Mike Miller showed up, there was no way to stop the Heat.

But this title belongs to LeBron. He manned up big time. He did what everyone wanted -- play on the inside, don't take dives, play monster defense. He made the right play nearly every single play during the Finals. He figured out how to be the most dominant player the NBA's seen since Jordan. When he's on the elbow or the blocks, there's no way to stop him.

D Wade also did a decent enough job stopping the crybaby act this round.

The OKC/Heat rivalry, though, could be this decade's Lakers/Celtics. Even though it's 4-1, OKC came frighteningly close to being up 3-0 despite playing far from their absolute best.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Drew D on June 22, 2012, 10:41:20 AM
Ok, now that the Finals are out of the way, its Draft time.   :) Big draft nerd here, so if anyone has any questions or wants to talk about it next week, im into it! already had the first trade...
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Andy on June 22, 2012, 11:41:30 AM
I love the breakdown here.  Not that it really matters (if we had made some free throws we could have won all but the final game), but as Greggulator points out games two and three could have gone either way.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1228731-2012-nba-finals-breaking-down-the-officiating-are-the-refs-favoring-miami (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1228731-2012-nba-finals-breaking-down-the-officiating-are-the-refs-favoring-miami)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: gravy boat on June 22, 2012, 12:35:43 PM
Ok, now that the Finals are out of the way, its Draft time.   :) Big draft nerd here, so if anyone has any questions or wants to talk about it next week, im into it! already had the first trade...

Who takes Kidd-Gilchrist? Will Draymond Green really go in the first round?  My friend who likes DC hates that trade you mentioned.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Drew D on June 22, 2012, 01:00:23 PM
-Yea, that trade is bizarre, and stretches my knowledge of contracts/amnesty clauses and all that confusing money stuff.  Suffice it to say they unloaded Lewis which is fine, but Okafor/Ariza?

-Kidd-Gilchrist goes very early, and i think its funny that the Cavs and Wiz are in the toughest spots at 3 and 4, two teams with a ton of work to do and all eyes on them.  If Robinson goes #2, it will be interesting to see if they both pass on Barnes and go for M.  K-G and Beal.  Barnes has that buzz about him as a guy who could fall a few picks, and years from now we look back on it like "how the heck did he go so late?"   But also he looked so stiff in his freshman year there are still big question marks around him.

-Dray will probably go in the 1st round, because of the classic siutation of "complete" teams drafting late who dont need project players, and want "winners"  who are ready to play now off the bench, and not future starters who need a lot of work.  Kind of a Dejuan Blair pick? (although he did fall to the 2nd round)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: buffcoat on June 22, 2012, 02:23:40 PM
The Bobcats are toying around a lot with taking Harrison Barnes at #2. 

I'm an alum and have met the guy - great guy, but taking him that high would be yet another colossal mistake for the, ahem, 'Cats.  He will not play inside, he disappears for long stretches and depended a whole lot on Kendall Marshall to get him his shot.  How does that translate to an NBA Star?



Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on June 22, 2012, 03:37:14 PM
Barnes to the Bobcats is as good as done. MJ's going to pick him solely because he's a UNC guy. There's also no way the Bobcats are going to ever draft well in their attempts to become the worst franchise in pro sports.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Drew D on June 22, 2012, 04:18:08 PM
Haha, some teams are just doomed to always draft poorly (or for a long stretch with a particular owner/gm.)

-I think Barnes at 2 is bad because the Bobcats need sooo much, but Im not sure any guys besides Davis have franchise potential.  Barnes at his best will never be a #1 option, but he seems to be a tough kid and can work hard and be a solid small forward on a team with a go-to scorer already, and obviously a great passing pg would help.  That's a lot to ask for.  He is much more athletic than people thought last year, but there are a ton of freakish PF athletes in this draft. But as a naturual 3 goes, he's above avarage athletically.  The UNC connection is something I blanked on, oh no  MJ!  Too bad they dont also have a low lottery pick to pick up Henson, Zeller or Marshall to satisfy his tar heel fix...

Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on June 22, 2012, 09:55:49 PM
Weird, under-the-radar players I think could stick from this year's draft class:

DAMIAN LILLARD, WEBER STATE -- He's actually projected as a lottery pick. I saw him two times last year courtesy of insomnia and the benefits of free sports packages at my mom's house. He lit up as a scorer last year -- unreal first step and range at the Big Sky Conference. He also didn't turn the ball over that much which is really impressive when you consider that he handled the ball pretty much every single time down the court.

ANDREW NICHOLSON, ST. BONAVENTURE -- I seriously can't believe this dude isn't going higher than where he's projected. I saw him a ton the past few years since my alma mater La Salle is in the A-10 w/ The Bonnie's. 6'9" dude who is super athletic, fundamentally sound and can shoot from deep a little bit. He was the best player in the A-10 last season which is the best non-football playing basketball conference in the nation. He'll end up on a very good team and be next year's Ken Faried.

SCOTT MACHADO, IONA -- The best player on the most exciting team in college basketball last year. The only PG in college hoops last year who has the vision he has is Kendall Marshall, and I think Machado has a better game. He's a better scorer and also mixes it up down low. Also, he's played internationally for Brazil and also has a rep in NY playground circles. He'll end up as a good backup PG on a good team and/or a fantasy stud on some crap team. Or the best player in Spain.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on June 23, 2012, 12:36:06 AM
What do you guys think about Austin Rivers? I was really excited when he was showing up in mocks in the middle of the 1st for the Wolves to draft, but now I'm seeing him as high as 8. I think he's going to be terrible if he is drafted as a star, but as a role player I think he'd be a great addition. I'd love to see him on the Wolves letting Rubio and Love set up outside shots for him, that's exactly what we're missing. I'm afraid that all the 2 guards are going to be gone at 18.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Drew D on June 23, 2012, 01:26:22 AM
Wow, Greggulator is right on the money for quality mid-major stars....and I watched Lillard for similar late-night reasons, I think I picked Montana as an upset pick in my march pool based only on their ability to beat Weber St/Lillard in the Big Sky tourn!  He is no joke...

-I guess besides those three my sleepers right now would be Jeff Taylor, Darius Miller, Jae Crowder and his teamate Darius Johnson-Odom.

-The SG posiition is real weird early on, I dont see Rivers going that high, but falling to 18 I doubt too.  Unless Lamb or Waiters falls big time, the Wolves best bet would be a 2-3 tweener like Terrence Ross or that Fournier guy.  John Jenkins is a sleeper at that spot, he is strictly a shooter, but boy can he shoot.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on June 23, 2012, 02:07:53 AM
Austin Rivers stinks. That's probably overstating things but the kid weighs about 115 pounds and wasn't all that great this year. He's also a total d-bag. Hopefully his dad will whip him into shape but he's a total nightmare -- really big on shaking his head when his teammates miss a shot, already mastering the D-Wade stare at the ref, etc.

John Jenkins ruled this year. That dude can play. He has Gary Neal-esque potential.  I also love Jae Crowder.

Who the hell is this Bradley Beal kid from Florida shooting up the ranks? An inefficient shooting guard who can't play defense going Top 5? Yikes.

I think Thomas Robinson and Kidd-Gilchrest are studs. K-G, I think, has a ridiculous amount of potential. He has everything you'd want in a small forward and also has a motor. If he gets on a good team then I think he'll be a star.

One of the keys to rookie success is ending up on a franchise that actually matters or wants to matter. Anthony Davis is going into the right place with New Orleans -- committed new ownership, a not-that-bad core, good coach, etc. I hope David Stern rigged the draft because whoever the Bobcats draft second is going to just waste away his career in that nightmare.  It's the same with Washington and Sacramento.

The Cavs actually have a decent shot at becoming relevant again. They have the #4 pick and if they can get another guy to go with Kyrie Irving then they're in decent shape. I'd also be bullish on Portland who rooked the Nets pick for Gerald Wallace but their history isn't so great.

Speaking of that trade -- I completely forgot that happened. WTF were the Nets thinking? There's no way they're getting either Deron Williams or Dwight Howard. I feel awful for Gerald Wallace. He's one of my favorite players in the league and deserves to play on a good team as opposed to some punchline.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Drew D on June 25, 2012, 11:11:41 AM
Portland cleaned up with that Nets pick, and the pick they gave up is top 12 protected for several years:

• Portland acquires New Jersey's 2012 first round pick (top-3 protected) as part of Gerald Wallace trade
  • Portland trades a 2013 first round pick (top 12 protected in 2013-2015) to Charlotte as part of the Gerald Wallace/Joel Przybilla trade.
• Portland trades a 2013 second round pick to Denver as part of the Raymond Felton/Andre Miller trade.

-M K-G's motor is top notch.  Sometimes that's what really separates a lottery pick from the rest, not just physical speed, but the instincts to react quickly, since the NBA is a gear or more faster than most college teams.  Blake Griffin had that at Oklahoma, he just looked a step faster than every player guarding him, and he reacted faster too.

-Yea, I dont know about Beal yet.  He must be working out well, he's supposed to be a 3 point specialist but had sub-par 3% last year.  SO maybe he's shooting lights out at these workouts, I dont know.  He seems like a really good kid, and rebounds very well for a 2.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: buffcoat on June 25, 2012, 03:43:56 PM
I'm a UNC grad, so take this with as large a grain of salt as you need to.

Austin Rivers is a small trainwreck waiting to damage some NBA team.  As for his dad whipping him into shape, who do you think whipped him into the shape he's in?

Decent skills, moderate athleticism.  Hit one big shot this year (which is still more than some people I suppose).  Terrible teammate.  His saving grace is that he may not be good enough to do that much ego-related damage, but it's happened before with players who have less skill.

I've said what I had to say about Harrison Barnes.  I think Kendall Marshall will be a steal at a low enough draft point.  Great intangibles and great intelligence.  Backup all the way, but a good backup PG can really help out a team.  Henson is a project for the NBA.  If you need a great natural defender (only) he's worth taking.  I don't know if his offense is ever going to get there.

I think Zeller will be the most long-term impactful pro of the bunch, which is not saying a tremendous amount.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on June 25, 2012, 04:40:09 PM
Rivers isn't a star, but if he can land on a team with two star players and stay happy being the 3rd option I think not only will he make a good team great, but he'll be able to develop into an all-star. If he lands on a team where he's asked to be a star or a backup, I think he'll be a bust or if his attitude is ok, a decent role player. I really think the Wolves are the perfect fit for him, Celtics would probably be a good fit as well. I just don't think he'll last to their picks.

As for Beal, I think he looks like an amazing player if you watch him play, but on paper it says otherwise. Stats don't lie.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: buffcoat on June 25, 2012, 06:12:16 PM
...and stay happy being the 3rd option.


This will not happen.  Inevitably people will ask Doc about it, Doc will try not to say anything, it will be awful... if you like Austin Rivers or whatever team he's on.  Otherwise it will be hilarious.



Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Drew D on June 25, 2012, 08:59:21 PM
As a lifelong Duke-hater, yea, I can't stand Rivers.....BUT, he may find work as a good combo guard off the bench, a second unit guy who handles the ball and gives some quick scoring.  I think he's overrated though.
-I also agree that Zeller may end up having the longest career of the UNC guys....May end up starting sooner rather than later, but as the 5th best guy in the starting lineup.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Drew D on June 26, 2012, 11:03:11 AM
T-Wolves trade #18 for Chase Budinger...insert Kahn/SF stock-piling joke here?

-Rockets now have 14, 16, 18 picks.  Might flip them for Bobcats #2, to use to get to D-Howard, or just to take a lottery guy...
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on June 27, 2012, 01:07:55 PM
The Bobcats GM Richard Cho is at least somewhat competent, coming from OKC and running Portland for a year before being dismissed in mysterious fashion. If I were him, I'd trade the #2 pick ASAP. The only reason for this is to prevent MJ from overruling him and getting Harrison Barnes.

It's a shame Daryl Morey's good at his job. If they had a healthy Yao Ming for his run, they'd do some damage (like they did the year Artest was on the team). But they suffered from injuries but haven't been bad enough to get a decent enough draft pick ala OKC. I don't think Morey's humble enough to blow up the team for a few years, though, which is what he should do if he can't land Dwight Howard or a good lotto pick.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Drew D on June 27, 2012, 03:13:39 PM
-Pray..for..Rich..Cho...

-Yea, Rockets might need to get worse before they can better...latest is they want to send #14/#16/Lowry to Sac for #5/Tyreke Evans
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: gravy boat on June 27, 2012, 03:24:56 PM
Knicks and Nets can't really look to the draft.  For Knicks, I hope they let JR Smith walk away and pick up Randy Foye instead--Foye seems to be flying under the radar for eligible free agents.

I think all the recent press about Deron Williams favoring the Nets (working out with them, inviting Avery to his birthday party) is clever negotiating to get the Mavs to open up Cuban's wallet wider. I can't see Deron staying--hope I'm wrong.

Back to Portugal--Spain...
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Drew D on June 27, 2012, 09:02:18 PM
Wow, yea, didn't realize how both Knicks/Nets are out in the cold on this one.  We need to wait until pick 48 to hear those classic boos and catcalls, hope they trade up!  Also, that Deron Happy Birthday truck trailer photo is killing me..

Rockets making more moves:

-"The Houston Rockets have traded center Samuel Dalembert and the 14th pick in Thursday's NBA draft to the Milwaukee Bucks for the 12th pick and three players. In addition to the 12th pick, the Rockets will receive guard Shaun Livingston and forwards Jon Leuer and Jon Brockman."

-Also, new rumors of OKC trying to move up to a top pick to take Beal.  Harden or Ibaka in rumors.  :o
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on June 27, 2012, 11:26:23 PM
I kind of like getting Budinger. Everybody who looked like a decent fit for the Wolves has had their stock rise in the workouts. I kind of figured that would happen considering how few teams have a decent 2 guard and how many 2 guards there were in the draft. The Wolves desperately needed a guy who hit the kickout 3 and Budinger fits that role perfectly. He's not going to be a star but I think Adelman's going to be playing him a lot so I think he'll be better than the 10 points he's averaged in his 3 year career. I'd say he gets around 15 a game, but the biggest thing is that those won't be garbage points that anybody could get, those are going to be points that the Wolves lost last year because nobody could consistently hit an open 3 and that's going to make a HUGE difference.

Also, they have a little more salary cap room now, I just don't know who they'll be able to bring in. For so many years now they've given themselves salary flexibility only to see players decline their offers. However, hopefully that will be different now that there's some hope and people might want to play with Rubio and Love. I didn't realize until a few days ago that Rubio is going to be out the first couple months of the season, I was under the impression that he'd be back for the whole thing. Hopefully they can bring in players to stay competitive until Rubio comes back.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Andy on June 28, 2012, 09:05:44 AM
Talk around here is the possibility of trading Harden for the bobcats first round pick.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on June 28, 2012, 09:18:46 AM
Talk around here is the possibility of trading Harden for the bobcats first round pick.

This is a salary cap move. I've predicted that the troubles with their ownership is going to hurt OKC in a big way. Blame Aubrey McClendon, one of the bigger scumbags alive today.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: buffcoat on June 28, 2012, 09:30:52 AM
I looked up Aubrey McClendon scumbag and got a lot of hits!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Drew D on June 28, 2012, 09:54:25 AM
An owner of an Oklahoma gas company named it "Chesapeake Energy". Hey dum-dum, that's on the east coast!  If this is part of some long term scheme to drill in my Bay, I'll rip that twerps head off!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Pregnant Pause on June 29, 2012, 08:47:36 AM
Is Moe Harkless any good.  Seems like the Sixers just added another SF athlete who can't shoot.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on June 29, 2012, 09:01:01 AM
Is Moe Harkless any good.  Seems like the Sixers just added another SF athlete who can't shoot.

He's not bad but he seems like every other player they have on the roster. I also don't think it bodes well that he was the best player on a St. John's team that was an absolute fiasco last year. Althought, his interim coach is now leading the Bobcats so there's that.

BTW, if you like college basketball, get ready for Nurideen Lindsay at Rider. I've been a fan of this kid forever. He went to the same high school Wilt Chamberlain did in Philly and was set to break his scoring records (!). He verbally committed to my alma mater La Salle really early. Anyways, he ended up completely vanishing and no one had any idea where he went. It turns out that two of his brothers were killed and his best friend died of cancer. He went to one of the prep schools to get away from Philly but became really depressed (naturally) and gave up basketball. He eventually graduated high school and enrolled at a community college in Kansas where he averaged some crazy amount of PPG. He then went to St. John's last year and decided to transfer after nine games -- reasons aren't quite clear but it seems like it was a bad fit from the start. He was the best player on that team for the first few months, though.

The thing I like about this kid - word is that he's a legitimate genius. The La Salle coach absolutely loves him and said that, if he went to a high school most of us went to, he could be an Ivy League philosophy major. He ended up not going to La Salle because they already brought in another transfer and didn't want to screw up the chemistry. So he ended up at Rider where he'll probably lead the country in scoring next year. Rider also just sent Jason Thompson to the NBA so anything's possible.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Drew D on June 29, 2012, 09:55:51 AM
That's great, always like to see Rider relevant in basketball.  Too bad it didnt work out at LaSalle.

-Yea, Harkless is a big upside guy so who knows right now, youngest player in the draft I think.  I like Moultrie, was happy when they announced that trade.  I probably would've been happier taking Zeller or Nicholson over Harkless, but my assumption is they should let Hawes sign elsewhere.  I'd rather resign Lou and both Hawes and Lou will be asking for more $.  The bigger question marks are Iggy and Brand, time will tell on that front.  i just want to know what the direction is.

-Lots of guys moved up I was happy about, good to see John Jenkins go 23rd.

-Big laughs when Danny Ainge had back to back picks and drafted the two slowest big men in the entire draft (at least out of the pool of players who were projected).
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on June 29, 2012, 10:08:48 AM
Boston should go back to irrelevance now that Ainge has to rely on draft picks again. Maybe, McHale can give him Howard in a couple years.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Drew D on June 29, 2012, 10:19:14 AM
Danny Calls Kevin:  "Oh hey Kevin, how are things? Good, good.  Say, you wouldn't happen to have any unhappy superstars you can trade me?  No?  Well, I'm checking with Seattle too.  What?!? They dont have a team anymore!?!?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on June 29, 2012, 04:39:00 PM
This is just too hard to ignore anymore. The Wolves have 9 white guys, tried to trade up into the first to take Plumlee and are trying their hardest to bring in Gasol. If a guy can play, who cares what race/color they are, but it's getting to be kind of strange, and it's hard not to believe that it's something Kahn is consciously doing for whatever reason that might be. It's kind of the elephant in the room in Minnesota, you don't see sports writers talking about it, but there's a lot of people bringing it up.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on June 29, 2012, 10:29:00 PM
LeBron tweeted about seeing "ColdPlay" tonight. It's safe to say we can go back to hating him.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Drew D on July 06, 2012, 11:48:19 AM
-Ok, getting some answers on Sixers' direction: resign Hawes, amnesty/waive Brand, sign Nick Young
-remaining questions for now: Lou, Iggy

-Oh, and Nash, Kidd, NBA going nuts, etc, etc.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: gravy boat on July 06, 2012, 02:41:39 PM
-Ok, getting some answers on Sixers' direction: resign Hawes, amnesty/waive Brand, sign Nick Young
-remaining questions for now: Lou, Iggy

-Oh, and Nash, Kidd, NBA going nuts, etc, etc.

WFMU area report--
The Knicks look like they will match Rockets for Lin. My heart likes that; my head says that is not very smart.  Also, hear that they will bring back JR Smith. I don't like that when Randy Foye is available at what must be close price. Foye is a better 3-point shooter and defender, and better character.

The Nets remind me of a Springsteen song--they just had to leave their crappy hometown behind to explode.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on July 06, 2012, 02:56:40 PM
I can't believe a team didn't offer Lin a max deal, actually.

I'm not sure how endorsements work, but I'm pretty sure the Rockets benefitted from having Yao Ming and all that did for China. Even though Jeremy Lin is American, he was really popular in China, Taiwan and throughout Asia. Let alone Linsanity completely ate up New York and the rest of the country.

There's absolutely no way to predict the rest of his career. That's hard enough to do for guys who have a track record beyond one month of basketball. A big contract is a gigantic risk on someone like Lin since the rewards in terms of game play are completely unpredictable. But the other money earned can counteract any luxury tax penalties and probably outweigh them significantly. If a team made some crazy deal for the Knicks, I'd bet they'd match. MSG's a publicly traded corporation and Linsanity increased the company's valuation by a few hundred million dollars. It's also the Dolan-era Knicks who threw the dice at Eddy Curry and Steph Marbury. 

Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on July 06, 2012, 06:30:16 PM
I think Lin is going to be fine as long as he's not on a team that revolves around another player. He needs to get his 20-25 shots, and that's a risky move by any team, not only giving him the contract but also allowing a player with his experience to come in and take that many shots a game. He's not a good fit for the Knicks since they already have that roll filled, but he could have a nice career with Houston, if he really is an offensive star.

Loving what the Wolves are doing right now- I think Portland is bluffing a little bit with Batum. If they can't get Hibbert, I don't see them matching Batum's offer when he doesn't want to be there anyway. As for Brandon Roy, if they can even get 25 minutes, 15 points a game that's going to be a great fit. If Rubio is ready at the beginning of the season I think they have a solid chance to finish top 4 in the West.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on July 09, 2012, 06:05:29 PM
Just got back from five days of Steve Nash-is-a-Lakers partying.  Glad to see Dwight Howard is still holding the league hostage so he can achieve his childhood dream of playing for one of the lamest franchises in professional sports.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on July 10, 2012, 01:48:08 AM
Once Howard ends up a Net 9 out of 12 players on the Olympic team will play in NY, LA or Miami. I think all GMs of small market teams need to keep their players off that team because things change once you get the best players in the world together. The Olympic teams barely been formed and Kevin Love is already trying to work his way off the Wolves. What happened to the competitiveness sports used to have?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on July 10, 2012, 03:04:45 PM
NBA players liking the Sunbelt and/or NYC is not a new phenomenon. It's just in this age of social media and around the clock sports reporting, we hear about all the tiniest musings from players and their entourages and we get to watch "the sausage being made" in slow motion.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on July 10, 2012, 09:21:37 PM
That's true but not to this extent. Take a look at the Dream Team. Malone and Stockton played for Utah, Drexler played for Portland, Jordan and Pippen Chicago, Barkley- Phoenix, Olajuwon- Houston, David Robinson- San Antonio. Out of all of those guys, only Malone tried to find a ring at the end of his career in LA. I can name at least 10-15 more stars from the last truly cutthroat competitive era of basketball.

Jordan and Barkley have both said that friendships that exist because of connections all the way back through teen years playing AAU ball have ruined the competitive nature of the sport. Where's the pride in making pacts with other elite players to win a championship in a major city once their tenure with their drafted team is complete? I still love this league, but the players need to start putting some pride in their ability to carry a team and humble themselves when they aren't able to carry a team far enough.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: nec13 on July 11, 2012, 10:38:33 AM
So-called "super teams" seem to be a phenomenon exclusive to the NBA. You rarely, if ever, see great players in other sports attempt to coalesce on one particular team. But I think that's because basketball, more so than any other sport, is reliant on individual talent. You can assemble a team with just two or three great players and be successful (see: the 90's Bulls). The same can't be said for Major League Baseball or the NFL. So of course players will use their enormous leverage for all it's worth.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: fonpr on July 11, 2012, 10:49:08 AM
So-called "super teams" seem to be a phenomenon exclusive to the NBA.
This may be related to the size of the teams on the field/court.  Two out of five would have a greater influence than two out of nine or twenty two.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on July 11, 2012, 04:42:25 PM
Yes, it's easier to create a superteam in the NBA but it's always been that way, roster sizes haven't changed. Players in the past just chose not to since they had a competitive spirit. They wanted to beat each other, not join forces to beat up mediocre teams. That said, the 90's were a time where the league wasn't very strong overall, but at least the stars were spread out across the league.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: buffcoat on July 11, 2012, 05:37:54 PM
So-called "super teams" seem to be a phenomenon exclusive to the NBA.
This may be related to the size of the teams on the field/court.  Two out of five would have a greater influence than two out of nine or twenty two.

We're not talking about cricket or jai alai, Florida-dude.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on July 15, 2012, 06:22:40 PM
Don't ever change, Knicks.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: fonpr on July 15, 2012, 07:04:00 PM


We're not talking about cricket or jai alai, Florida-dude.
Oh, sorry.

I like crickets.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: gravy boat on July 15, 2012, 07:34:43 PM
Don't ever change, Knicks.

I hate to say this, but I am with the Knicks on this.  Lin has not proven he's good enough to demand that kind of money.  Plus if you read how it went down--NY Post had a good article on it (again, I hate to say that)--Lin and the Rockets were getting a little too cute.  http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/source_knicks_won_match_lin_offer_IaFOfENCk85407zzt3ynxK (http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/source_knicks_won_match_lin_offer_IaFOfENCk85407zzt3ynxK)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on July 15, 2012, 08:23:38 PM
Don't ever change, Knicks.

I hate to say this, but I am with the Knicks on this.  Lin has not proven he's good enough to demand that kind of money.  Plus if you read how it went down--NY Post had a good article on it (again, I hate to say that)--Lin and the Rockets were getting a little too cute.  http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/source_knicks_won_match_lin_offer_IaFOfENCk85407zzt3ynxK (http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/source_knicks_won_match_lin_offer_IaFOfENCk85407zzt3ynxK)

It's less Jeremy Lin and more trading for Raymond Felton Part 2.

The thing in this article -- they're saying how they're worried about Lin in an isolation offense. True Hoop broke down his stats and Lin is ridiculously awesome at isolation plays. If the Knicks don't realize that, shame on them.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on July 17, 2012, 11:52:50 PM
Summer league basketball is the worst. I had it on in the background all last week and tried actually watching the Wolves games. I don't get why they even play these games. You can't really tell if a player is good or not because they're surrounded by a bunch of players who are going to be D-League lifers who don't move the ball around and players who are supposed to be good end up looking like D-Leaguers themselves... which they very well could be, but to me it's impossible to tell because they aren't playing anything that resembles NBA basketball.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Pregnant Pause on July 18, 2012, 09:17:40 AM
Kwame Brown will be the 7th number 1 overall pick to play for the Sixers since the 2003-2004 season (Weber, Glenn Robinson, Coleman, Joe Smith, Iverson, Brand).  The team's record over that time is 333-389.   I can't think of any other stat that better sums up being a fan of the team for the past 10 years. 
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on July 24, 2012, 05:16:43 PM
This is the least excited I've been for a Bulls season since Rose's rookie year.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on July 25, 2012, 08:33:27 AM
Let's talk Olympics!

After the Brazil game, I thought the US was going to get smoked at some point. Brazil has some size and decent enough guards but don't have one guy who would make the US team and almost took them.

I didn't see the Spain game but, after reading up on it, I'm really certain we'll have the gold. Spain's a really good team with really great size w/ the Gasols and Serge Ibaka. But their guards are iffy, especially since Ricky Rubio's not playing.

The one guy who really stands out in the games I've watched is Russell Westbrook. He's the best athlete on that team. Oh dear lord.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: nec13 on July 25, 2012, 08:35:13 AM
(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/0724/grant_lebroninbox2_1152.jpg)

Discuss.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on August 10, 2012, 01:02:51 PM
I knew Howard would eventually end up a Laker but I didn't think they'd have Gasol coming back as well. I can't see how the Lakers don't win the West this year unless Kobe and Nash's careers fall off a cliff. I don't see that happening. Denver came out well too.

I think Minnesota's Euro league team is going to make one more move. I'm pretty sure Derrick Williams is going to be a star but not in Minnesota where he gets 20 minutes a game out of position. If they hold on to him another year he's going to be labeled a bust so they need to trade him while his value is still high. I just don't know who they should bring in. This is why drafting best player available is not always the right move. It's one thing if you have players who aren't in your long term plans while the drafted player develops, but it doesn't make sense if you draft a player who plays the same position as your franchise player.

Anybody who doubted Kahn before has to be rethinking that. His drafting has been suspect and he'll always be judged on that of course. We'll see at the end of the season, but his Euro approach reminds me of what Billy Beane did in Oakland.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on August 11, 2012, 07:35:28 PM
Just came down from post-Howard high.

I'm still not 100% sold this Lakers team can beat OKC (*cough* bad backs *cough* Mike Brown), but it's sure fun to be a fan of the most hated franchise again. I'm even thinking of dye-ing my five o'clock shadow jet black, Hollywood Hulk Hogan-style, to mark the occasion!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on August 12, 2012, 01:38:20 PM
I initially hated the Bynum trade for the Sixers but I see its merits.

I love Andre Iguodala. He's a terrific player, as made clear by the great amount of positive minutes he gave Team USA during the Olympics. But the Sixers are what they are with him. He's a much better fit for a very good Denver team.

This is Bynum's last year on the contract. It's a flyer on a guy -- if they like him, they have the advantage in locking him up. If he's a headcase (most likely scenario), then you don't have to resign him and have the cap space to rebuild.

Option #2 is the most likely. A dude as volatile as that clown, with his injury history, playing in Philly? Fun times await this Philly-based NBA comedy podcast co-host!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: JON IN PHL on August 12, 2012, 03:26:27 PM
How long before Doug Collins' body is found in Bynum's car trunk?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: mark b on August 12, 2012, 08:52:19 PM
http://espn.go.com/blog/playbook/fandom/post/_/id/8580/when-kevin-love-met-tyson-chandler (http://espn.go.com/blog/playbook/fandom/post/_/id/8580/when-kevin-love-met-tyson-chandler)

This is a cool article on espn about kevin love meeting tyson chandler when they we're teenagers.


“I’m gonna be in the NBA one day,” Love told the senior. “You’ll want my autograph someday. You’ll see.”

Chandler was amused. “He was just this little fat kid,” he recalls, “but he was funny.”

haha
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Drew D on August 16, 2012, 01:41:23 PM
Very intrigued with Sixers' new look, want to see how the min/game pans out for the roster throughout season as Collins makes his assesments..
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Andy on August 21, 2012, 06:36:14 PM
Okc management seem hell-bent on keeping this team together. $48 mil over 5 years for Ibaka.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: nuge on September 05, 2012, 12:04:12 AM
did you guys see this one linked off nba.com...

Popovich answers fan questions:
http://www.nba.com/spurs/features/120830_pop_mailbag (http://www.nba.com/spurs/features/120830_pop_mailbag)

summer reading:

"...I’m close to finishing a book about Stalin and another book about Putin. And then on the fiction side I’m trying to get through a book called Ulysses, but I’m not man enough for it.  Too difficult to understand, too many big words, concepts that are way over my head, but I’ve always told myself I have to tackle this. I do about every three years try to read it. I’ve never had success yet."

music:

"The last live show I’ve seen was Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young. And they’re still one of my favorites, you know the old stand-bys. I was a big Motown guy for a long time, being from that part of the country, and that sort of morphed into Jimmy Hendrix, Crosby Stills Nash & Young, Led Zepplin, those kind of guys. And being here in Texas you can’t help but hear country music here and there. Everybody takes a different path in life and about three years ago I started listening to a Patsy Cline album and it just blew me away. I just am still amazed by her voice, and the guys and my family say “jeez, are we going to listen to that again?” So that’s the newest one, and another one: Terri Clark. Somebody gave me a CD by her, a country gal, and I love it. It’s really great. So I listen to that, and everything else is sort of foreign. It’s Egyptian, Usef, he’s an Egyptian guy, or Turkish music. That kind of thing. So pretty strange, a lot of different things. "
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Kormod on September 05, 2012, 12:11:46 AM
Someone told me that a basketball player named J.R. Smith has read all of Finnegans Wake. Is this true?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on November 05, 2012, 07:26:27 AM
So it looks like I am going to try to do this for the 2013 season, treating home and away teams as separate entities just for fun (and to see if it makes my playoff picks any better.)

1) Golden State away 29
2) Houston away 29
3) New York home 29
4) Orlando home 27.2
5) Miami home 26.9
6) Atlanta away 24.7
7) San Antonio home 23.8
8) Chicago away 23.7
9) LA Clippers home 23.7
10) Utah home 23.4
11) San Antonio away 22.5
12) Oklahoma City home 21.6
13) Brooklyn home 21.4
14) Dallas home 21.4
15) Milwaukee away 21.4
16) New Orleans away 21.4
17) Portland home 21.4
18) Philadelphia home 21.1
19) LA Clippers away 20.8
20) Charlotte home 19.8
21) Milwaukee home 19
22) Cleveland home 19
23) Memphis away 19
24) Toronto home 18.9
25) Boston away 18.2
26) Indiana away 18.1
27) Dallas away 18.1
28) Portland away 18
29) Phoenix home 17.6
30) Brooklyn away 16.2
31) Denver home 16.2
32) Indiana home 16.2
33) Memphis home 16.2
34) Minnesota home 16.2
35) New York away 16.2
36) Orlando away 16.2
37) Sacramento home 16.2
38) Atlanta home 16.2
39) Detroit home 16.2
40) Miami away 16.2
41) Philadelphia away 16.2
42) New Orleans home 16
43) Phoenix away 15.5
44) Oklahoma City away 15.2
45) Cleveland away 14.3
46) Washington home 14.1
47) Boston home 13.3
48) Charlotte away 13.3
49) Chicago home 13.3
50) LA Lakers away 13.3
51) Toronto away 13.3
52) Denver away 12.4
53) Golden State home 12.3
54) Washington away 12.3
55) Minnesota away 12.3
56) Houston home 11.9
57) Utah away 11.6
58) LA Lakers home 11.5
59) Detroit away 7.1
60) Sacramento away 0
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on November 05, 2012, 07:27:48 AM
Just came down from post-Howard high.

I'm still not 100% sold this Lakers team can beat OKC (*cough* bad backs *cough* Mike Brown), but it's sure fun to be a fan of the most hated franchise again. I'm even thinking of dye-ing my five o'clock shadow jet black, Hollywood Hulk Hogan-style, to mark the occasion!

Is it still fun a week into the season?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: nec13 on November 05, 2012, 03:57:28 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8596217/jim-durham-voice-nba-espn-radio-dies (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8596217/jim-durham-voice-nba-espn-radio-dies)

I always enjoyed listening to Jim Durham call the games with Dr. Jack on ESPN Radio.

RIP.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on November 13, 2012, 07:50:15 AM
1) Miami home 110
2) New York home 108.2
3) Memphis home 106.8
4) Milwaukee away 105.6
5) Utah home 105.2
6) Philadelphia away 105.1
7) Oklahoma City home 104.5
8) Boston away 104.1
9) LA Clippers home 103.9
10) San Antonio away 103.5
11) San Antonio home 103.5
12) Atlanta away 103.2
13) LA Clippers away 102.9
14) Houston away 101.3
15) Brooklyn away 101.1
16) Dallas home 100.9
17) Memphis away 100.8
18) Oklahoma City away 100.8
19) Orlando home 100.6
20) Minnesota home 100.4
21) New Orleans away 100.3
22) Chicago away 100.2
23) New York away 100.2
24) Denver home 99.6
25) Phoenix home 99.5
26) Golden State away 99.3
27) Indiana home 99.3
28) Miami away 99.2
29) Charlotte home 98.4
30) New Orleans home 98
31) Minnesota away 97.8
32) Sacramento home 97.7
33) Brooklyn home 97.7
34) Phoenix away 97.5
35) Chicago home 97
36) LA Lakers home 96.9
37) Boston home 96.5
38) Cleveland home 96.4
39) Philadelphia home 96.4
40) Dallas away 96.3
41) Washington home 95.8
42) Portland home 95.7
43) Portland away 95.4
44) Milwaukee home 95.3
45) Detroit home 94.5
46) Cleveland away 94.3
47) Atlanta home 94.1
48) Golden State home 94
49) Toronto home 94
50) Utah away 93.9
51) Denver away 93.5
52) LA Lakers away 93.2
53) Indiana away 93
54) Charlotte away 92.8
55) Toronto away 91.5
56) Orlando away 89.8
57) Houston home 89.4
58) Washington away 89.1
59) Sacramento away 87.2
60) Detroit away 84
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on November 19, 2012, 07:44:56 AM
1) Memphis home 110
2) New York home 109.6
3) Oklahoma City home 107.3
4) LA Clippers home 106.5
5) Miami home 106.5
6) Atlanta away 106.2
7) New York away 105.5
8) Miami away 105.3
9) Philadelphia away 104.2
10) San Antonio away 104
11) LA Clippers away 104
12) Utah home 103.5
13) Memphis away 103.4
14) Milwaukee away 103.2
15) San Antonio home 102.4
16) LA Lakers home 102.2
17) Oklahoma City away 102.1
18) Golden State away 101.9
19) Brooklyn home 101.1
20) Brooklyn away 100.9
21) Dallas home 100.9
22) Portland home 100.6
23) Houston away 99.4
24) Indiana home 99.2
25) Boston home 98
26) Portland away 97.8
27) Minnesota home 97.8
28) Orlando home 97.8
29) Minnesota away 97.6
30) Boston away 97.4
31) Phoenix home 97.3
32) Denver home 97.2
33) Detroit home 96.8
34) New Orleans away 96.5
35) Milwaukee home 96.4
36) Charlotte home 96.4
37) Chicago away 96.1
38) Dallas away 95.9
39) New Orleans home 95.4
40) Atlanta home 94.8
41) Chicago home 94.7
42) LA Lakers away 93.7
43) Phoenix away 93.6
44) Philadelphia home 93.5
45) Toronto home 93.5
46) Golden State home 93.2
47) Sacramento home 92.6
48) Indiana away 92.3
49) Charlotte away 92.2
50) Toronto away 92
51) Cleveland home 92
52) Denver away 90.7
53) Washington home 90.3
54) Houston home 90.2
55) Cleveland away 90.1
56) Utah away 89.3
57) Sacramento away 87.9
58) Orlando away 86.5
59) Washington away 86.2
60) Detroit away 83
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on November 27, 2012, 10:55:03 PM
1) Oklahoma City home 111
2) New York home 110.3
3) Memphis home 109.7
4) Miami home 109.1
5) San Antonio away 109
6) Brooklyn home 108.3
7) Utah home 108
8) Atlanta away 106.5
9) Miami away 105.8
10) Philadelphia away 105.3
11) LA Clippers home 104.7
12) LA Lakers home 104.3
13) Denver home 104.3
14) Phoenix home 103.9
15) Memphis away 103.4
16) Indiana home 103.1
17) Portland home 102.8
18) San Antonio home 102
19) Boston home 101.6
20) Detroit home 101.5
21) Golden State home 101.1
22) Golden State away 101
23) Oklahoma City away 100.9
24) Atlanta home 100.5
25) Milwaukee away 100.2
26) Charlotte home 100.1
27) Houston home 99.9
28) Boston away 99.5
29) New York away 99.4
30) Houston away 99.2
31) Cleveland home 99
32) Orlando home 98.7
33) LA Clippers away 98.5
34) Minnesota home 98
35) Dallas away 97.9
36) Brooklyn away 97.7
37) Dallas home 97.6
38) Sacramento home 97.6
39) Denver away 97.5
40) New Orleans home 97
41) Chicago away 96.7
42) Milwaukee home 96.3
43) Philadelphia home 96
44) New Orleans away 96
45) Chicago home 95.4
46) Toronto home 95.3
47) LA Lakers away 94.3
48) Portland away 94.1
49) Minnesota away 93.9
50) Indiana away 93.6
51) Charlotte away 93.1
52) Sacramento away 89.8
53) Washington away 89.8
54) Phoenix away 89.3
55) Washington home 88.8
56) Toronto away 88.6
57) Cleveland away 88.2
58) Orlando away 87.5
59) Utah away 85.8
60) Detroit away 84
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: around the bend on November 28, 2012, 04:42:49 PM
Dave from Knoxville-- what are you doing?  I don't get it.

Anyhow, as a Blazers fan I've been really surprised (pleasantly so) by Damian Lillard.  That guy can shoot it!  That guy goes hard left and can finish!

The bench leaves a little to be desired.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on November 28, 2012, 06:05:15 PM
It's just a ranking of teams based mathematically on results to date.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: fonpr on November 28, 2012, 06:29:39 PM
It's just a ranking of teams based mathematically on results to date.
What does the smiley represent?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on November 28, 2012, 06:43:04 PM
It's what this blog host does whenever you try to write the number 8 to the right of a right-paren. You know, like

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Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on November 28, 2012, 11:43:44 PM
Damian Lillard is legit. He has superstar potential once he learns to play anything resembling defense. I don't think I've been this excited for a young Blazer since Brandon Roy. Hopefully Lillard doesn't suffer the same fate as every other Blazer.

I can not possibly be more into the Memphis Grizzlies. We've all kind of liked them since they took the Spurs in the playoffs two years ago. But they are really playing ball right now. They haven't had a team with a healthy Zach Randolph and Rudy Gay on it for any length of time. Those two, plus Marc Gasol, gives them the best frontcourt in basketball and I don't think it's all that close. Mike Conley has also become a very good point guard. Tony Allen's a pitbull on defense. They have a really good bench. Lionel Hollins can coach. They're just a really good basketball team.

I called them on our podcast "America's Team In The Best Possible Version of America" last year. They're a collection of misfits and castoffs playing in what is by all accounts a really quirky, crazy city. What's even crazier -- they're this good and also whiffed on a bunch of draft picks. One of the great What Ifs of all-time is the Hasheem Thabeet pick -- what if they grabbed James Harden, Steff Curry, Ricky Rubio or Brandon Jennings? (Jennings is the least of these guys but somehow makes the most sense on that team, which is why I love them.)

The Celts/Nets fight was so funny. Kris Humphries is such a chump. I still don't know if I love or hate Rajon Rondo but I love how he punked (via NBA standards) Humphries. I also loved how Gerald "Crash" Wallace (a true hidden gem of a player) ran into things which makes sense since he's like that on the court forever and always. But the true star of this fight was KG himself, for lying on the floor for about 10 minutes while this thing is taking place and then acting like the biggest tough guy in the world once there's about 50 guys in front of him. That guy is such a bully.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: gravy boat on November 29, 2012, 11:17:23 AM
Damian Lillard is legit. He has superstar potential once he learns to play anything resembling defense. I don't think I've been this excited for a young Blazer since Brandon Roy. Hopefully Lillard doesn't suffer the same fate as every other Blazer.

I can not possibly be more into the Memphis Grizzlies. We've all kind of liked them since they took the Spurs in the playoffs two years ago. But they are really playing ball right now. They haven't had a team with a healthy Zach Randolph and Rudy Gay on it for any length of time. Those two, plus Marc Gasol, gives them the best frontcourt in basketball and I don't think it's all that close. Mike Conley has also become a very good point guard. Tony Allen's a pitbull on defense. They have a really good bench. Lionel Hollins can coach. They're just a really good basketball team.

I called them on our podcast "America's Team In The Best Possible Version of America" last year. They're a collection of misfits and castoffs playing in what is by all accounts a really quirky, crazy city. What's even crazier -- they're this good and also whiffed on a bunch of draft picks. One of the great What Ifs of all-time is the Hasheem Thabeet pick -- what if they grabbed James Harden, Steff Curry, Ricky Rubio or Brandon Jennings? (Jennings is the least of these guys but somehow makes the most sense on that team, which is why I love them.)

The Celts/Nets fight was so funny. Kris Humphries is such a chump. I still don't know if I love or hate Rajon Rondo but I love how he punked (via NBA standards) Humphries. I also loved how Gerald "Crash" Wallace (a true hidden gem of a player) ran into things which makes sense since he's like that on the court forever and always. But the true star of this fight was KG himself, for lying on the floor for about 10 minutes while this thing is taking place and then acting like the biggest tough guy in the world once there's about 50 guys in front of him. That guy is such a bully.

I'm with you on the Grizzlies love--I love the way that team works and fits together.  My next vacation may be a trip to Memphis--I really want to see a game there.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on November 30, 2012, 04:05:37 PM
I am smelling a total conspiracy from last nights Spurs/Heat game.

TRUTHS: 1) I didn't see the game. 2) I don't think the game was fixed or rigged or anything of the sort.

What I do think is the conspiracy -- David Stern saw a way to get his league a ton of press when we're in the middle of football season. He's the master of doing that.

But in an even deeper conspiracy --

He's cast himself as a villain in recent years. Everyone thought the Spurs were boring for years but people started to come around during their crazy run last year when they played magnificent basketball and people started thinking Pop's interviews and general demeanor were hilarious. The Spurs have existed largely outside of the league's narrative since they became THE SPURS. The only controversy that I can  think of involving them involves the Steve Nash bodycheck. Now, they're in the spotlight for at least the next few games. Now the Spurs/Grizzlies on Saturday gets casual fan chatter, too.

As far as Pop's decision to sit his guys -- that's a terrific move. Getting your bench guys a lot of minutes against the defending champions is such a great way to develop confidence and see who can step up. He did something similar last year against Dallas. They were getting blown out so he pulled his starters and the bench guys ended up getting the game into OT (if memory serves correct) and didn't sub any of the starters back in at all.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: buffcoat on December 03, 2012, 03:49:56 PM
There's clearly a conspiracy against my man 'Sheed.

He and I used to hang out, if by hang out you mean I used to walk by him as he sat on the steps of the dining hall listening to his walkman and singing out loud.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on December 04, 2012, 10:14:25 AM
In a thrilling development, the last 4 days' games eliminated the bifurcation; you all know what a nightmare that can be.

1) Miami home 112
2) Oklahoma City home 110.2
3) San Antonio away 110.1
4) New York home 107.3
5) Brooklyn home 107.1
6) Memphis home 106.7
7) Atlanta away 105
8) Miami away 104.7
9) LA Clippers home 104.5
10) Utah home 103.2
11) Oklahoma City away 103.1
12) Philadelphia away 103.1
13) San Antonio home 102.6
14) New York away 102.1
15) Denver home 101.9
16) Phoenix home 100.8
17) Portland home 100.8
18) Brooklyn away 100.6
19) Memphis away 100.6
20) Detroit home 100.5
21) Golden State away 100.5
22) Indiana home 100.3
23) Boston away 100.1
24) LA Clippers away 99.9
25) Chicago home 99.7
26) LA Lakers home 99.4
27) Golden State home 99
28) Minnesota home 99
29) Atlanta home 98.8
30) Boston home 98.4
31) Houston home 98.1
32) Houston away 97.7
33) New Orleans away 96.9
34) Denver away 96.5
35) Milwaukee away 96.1
36) Chicago away 96
37) Dallas home 95.6
38) Toronto home 95
39) Indiana away 94.6
40) Milwaukee home 94.5
41) Minnesota away 94.4
42) Orlando home 94.4
43) Portland away 94.1
44) Orlando away 93.9
45) New Orleans home 93.5
46) Philadelphia home 93.5
47) LA Lakers away 93.1
48) Charlotte home 92.3
49) Charlotte away 92.1
50) Dallas away 91.9
51) Cleveland home 91.1
52) Sacramento home 90.8
53) Cleveland away 89.8
54) Sacramento away 89.2
55) Washington home 88
56) Utah away 87.3
57) Washington away 87
58) Toronto away 85.8
59) Phoenix away 84.8
60) Detroit away 83
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: jbissell on December 04, 2012, 05:58:51 PM
It's what this blog host does whenever you try to write the number 8 to the right of a right-paren. You know, like

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Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: fonpr on December 04, 2012, 06:49:06 PM
It's what this blog host does whenever you try to write the number 8 to the right of a right-paren. You know, like

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Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Trotskie on December 05, 2012, 02:48:07 PM
Fontasy Question:

What does everyone/anyone think about John Wall for the rest of the year?  Think he will perform in the top 100 player range?  Or is he just a disaster.

Thanks.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on December 06, 2012, 11:43:02 PM
I'm scared about this upcoming Lakers loss to OKC.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: gravy boat on December 07, 2012, 11:44:12 AM
I'm scared about this upcoming Lakers loss to OKC.

Better put on your big boy pants.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on December 07, 2012, 05:41:23 PM
Fontasy Question:

What does everyone/anyone think about John Wall for the rest of the year?  Think he will perform in the top 100 player range?  Or is he just a disaster.

Thanks.

He's barely top 100 when healthy because of his turnovers. It's very likely he's going to miss the season and I'd say he's out until 2nd half at the earliest.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on December 10, 2012, 11:37:14 AM
1) Oklahoma City home 112
2) Miami home 111.8
3) San Antonio away 111.8
4) LA Clippers home 108.2
5) San Antonio home 108
6) Atlanta away 107.9
7) New York home 107.4
8) Memphis home 107
9) Golden State away 106.9
10) Oklahoma City away 106.3
11) Brooklyn home 105.6
12) Utah home 105.5
13) New York away 105.2
14) Boston home 104.2
15) Denver home 103.6
16) Memphis away 103.3
17) Chicago home 102.7
18) Indiana home 102.6
19) LA Lakers home 102.6
20) Minnesota home 102.4
21) Philadelphia away 102.3
22) Brooklyn away 102.2
23) Miami away 101.7
24) Atlanta home 101.7
25) Golden State home 101.2
26) Phoenix home 100.8
27) LA Clippers away 100.7
28) Portland home 100.1
29) Indiana away 99.9
30) Houston home 99.6
31) Boston away 99.6
32) Chicago away 99.2
33) Dallas home 98.8
34) Detroit home 98.7
35) New Orleans away 98.4
36) Denver away 98.2
37) Milwaukee away 98
38) Houston away 97.8
39) Milwaukee home 97.8
40) Orlando home 97.3
41) Sacramento home 97.3
42) Toronto home 97.3
43) Philadelphia home 96.7
44) Minnesota away 96.4
45) Dallas away 96
46) LA Lakers away 95.5
47) Charlotte home 95
48) New Orleans home 94.7
49) Sacramento away 94.5
50) Portland away 94
51) Orlando away 93.8
52) Washington home 93.6
53) Charlotte away 92.8
54) Utah away 92.1
55) Cleveland away 90.7
56) Cleveland home 89.4
57) Washington away 88.8
58) Detroit away 87.6
59) Toronto away 86.4
60) Phoenix away 83
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on December 10, 2012, 04:44:39 PM
Can anyone talk me down from the roof of the Staples Center?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on December 12, 2012, 06:36:15 PM
*jumps*
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on December 13, 2012, 11:19:05 PM
*splat*
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: gravy boat on December 14, 2012, 11:06:43 AM
*splat*

Look on the bright side--you're not the worst team in California, only the second-worst.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: nec13 on December 14, 2012, 11:42:24 AM
*splat*

There's no shame in losing to the best team in the history of the NBA.

Tongue firmly planted in cheek.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mr. Spacely on December 14, 2012, 05:37:31 PM
*splat*

There's no shame in losing to the best team in the history of the NBA.

Tongue firmly planted in cheek.

Keep it coming. I can take.

(I can't. I'm dying here. DYING!)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on December 17, 2012, 12:24:50 PM
Your team is old and can't play D. I see it getting better as Howard heals and learns the system but at the very best, I see the Lakers as a 6th seed caliber team from here on out that might be able to use their veteran savvy to make a run in the playoffs. The major issue is that the team is the LA Kobe Bryants and the immediate future does not look bright as long as the Lakers keep pandering to his need to win now. The good news is that players want to come to LA so once Kobe retires, they should be able to move quickly to build a dynasty again. Don't get me wrong, none of this is really Kobe's fault. He's one of the greatest ever, still playing at a high level, and he has every right to ask for players who make the Lakers a winning team. But the Lakers brought veteran players in to help him win and they didn't win. Now they're an old team who needs to rebuild and it's tough to do that with a star who only has a few years left at most. I don't know what their best move is this season. Trade Kobe for a younger star? That would be a shame, and I don't think the Lakers want to do that. Even though I'm not a Lakers fan, I always want to see players stay with the same team their whole career. But, at the same time they can't get rid of guys like Artest and Gasol for youth because that's going to cause Kobe to ask for a trade. Standing pat might cause the same issue. Tough times for Lakers management, but I don't think fans should be worried because while you might not be an elite team this year or maybe even next, I'm sure the Lakers will be one of the best teams again sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: around the bend on January 26, 2013, 05:34:55 PM
NBA Villians:

Dwight Howard has got to be #1 right now.  The way he handled his exit from Orlando, the fact that he's a Laker (even if he's submarining the team, he's wearing that yellow), his self-perception/lack thereof: He's the number 1 hatable guy in the NBA, right?

The only way he's dethroned, well there are a few possibilities.

1) He leaves the team and toils somewhere obscurely, in which case it defaults back to Lebron/Kobe depending on how you feel about either.

2) Some bigger name douche joins the Lakers (like if Lebron were to sign there [I might stop following the league]).

3) Dwyane Wade kicks someone else in the nuts or breaks someone else's face in an exhibition game.

4) Kobe sticks his jaw out so far it dis-locates.

5) Kevin Garnett continues to exist/makes a long playoff run (think like who's that murderer on the Ravens?  Ray Lewis.  It'll be like that)

6) Amar'e gets MVP chants/self finances an MVP campaign. (lol) (just so my opinions can't be seen as over-lapping too far with the maestro of funny Tom S.)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Gilly on January 30, 2013, 12:27:05 AM
No doubt that Howard is #1. Too bad too, because he used to be one of the most likable guys in the league. He's listening way too much to whoever is controlling him. He better be careful because if he's whining in LA, where is he going to be happy? Some teams will still want him, but there will be certain teams, ones that always find a way to win that will want nothing to do with him.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: around the bend on January 30, 2013, 04:46:02 PM
I wonder if he's even any good?  I always admired Stan van Gundy as a coach but what if he's like a stage 5 wizard?  And Howard is a total bust from here on out?  That wouldn't be so bad.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: gravy boat on January 31, 2013, 11:41:31 AM
I like Reggie Evans, I root for the Nets, but why antagonize LeBron with the dumb talk, Reggie, why?  http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8897656/lebron-james-rips-reggie-evans-brooklyn-nets-devaluing-miami-heat-championship (http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8897656/lebron-james-rips-reggie-evans-brooklyn-nets-devaluing-miami-heat-championship)

I am also a Grizzlies fan and I understand the Gay-trade thing from a financial standpoint but man, after the earlier deal with the Cavs, the Grizz's bench is pretty bare.  Not looking like a deep playoff run anymore.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Kormodd on March 21, 2013, 03:15:07 PM
The head coach of the Knicks engaging in some deep thinking:

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/c141a778092c53f9c51ac0ed695dae1d/tumblr_mk0yqvs1oM1rl2f1ko1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: YuriDedman on April 21, 2013, 02:54:41 AM
This guy has some pretty funny dubbed audio NBA clips.

http://www.youtube.com/user/itsreal85/videos (http://www.youtube.com/user/itsreal85/videos)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Kormodd on April 21, 2013, 10:16:43 AM
http://hiphop365.com/report-man-sues-derrick-rose-for-missing-2013-season/ (http://hiphop365.com/report-man-sues-derrick-rose-for-missing-2013-season/)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: JamesfromSouthEastPa on June 06, 2013, 11:32:55 AM
    Spurs in 7


  I just saw Steven a. Smith on espn give his prediction ( also Spurs in 7) and he seemed genuinely in pain trying to decide.

 
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: gravy boat on June 07, 2013, 09:31:15 AM
Tony Parker spin move! Wow.  I still love the Heat losing.

Separately, what is with all the NBA coaches getting canned this year?  And how is one of them not named D'Antoni.  I think it's going to make a for weird season next year.   Karl fired after that season? (Please open your pocket books for that guy, Mr. Grizzlies owners.)  Lionel Hollins takes Grizzlies to the conference finals and he's persona au gratin?  PJ did a hell of a good job in Brooklyn and he's out.  Strange.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on June 07, 2013, 11:43:42 AM
The Hollins incident is really interesting and touches on the new emphasis a lot of teams are putting on analytics. The Grizzlies have a new owner who hired John Hollinger, the ESPN writer who brought analytics to a mainstream audience, and a few other math geeks. They pushed for the trade of Rudy Gay which a lot of people panned at the time but the analytics community thinks he's one of the most overrated players in the league. But what's really interesting -- you don't need spreadsheets to see this. You don't really need to see anything more than "This dude takes a TON of shots and shoots 40% and is an average defensive player at best. We have a bunch of really good offensive players who could use more shots who are also terrific defenders."

Hollins was really vocal against the Rudy trade. I think a lot of that does come from issues of chemistry and cohesiveness. The Grizzlies certainly do have that and taking out a key cog might screw that up. But they ended up a lot better w/o Gay taking 15 plus shots a game.

Daryl Morey and the Rockets get credit for being at the vanguard of this movement. But it's not as revolutionary as when Moneyball swept baseball. Red Auerbach might not have used algebraic formations when building a team but he was cagey enough to get Bill Russell (who a lot of teams didn't trust) and realized that the easiest way to get points at the time was via fast breaks, so he pushed the pace more than any team ever had in history.

The Spurs also have been doing this stuff for ages. They got the best player of his era, did a great job scouting overseas and nailed the Tony Parker and Manu picks, and filled in the rest with a neverending string of unhearlded bench players who fit needed roles.

That's sort of what basketball boils down to. You have to get a great player to build around, get one or two other good players, and fill out the rest at fair prices. The NBA's salary cap is so cruel that signing one player to a shitty contract (see: Sixers, Elton Brand) destroys your team, unless you're the Mavs and willing to go over the cap.

As far as George Karl goes -- I think that guy is super overrated. His track record speaks for itself. He got into one finals with a loaded Sonics team. And I'll give him credit for having that one Bucks team make the Eastern finals, but then they ran into Allen Iverson. Aside from that, he's had a bunch of bad playoff runs (including being the first 1 to lose to an 8) and also coached one of those dreadful US national teams to some horrible place that they should have dominated.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: JamesfromSouthEastPa on June 07, 2013, 11:46:54 AM
Agree!!! Tony Parker spin move was awesome!

   Has anybody noticed how much better commercials staring basketball stars are compared too commercials staring football stars? For example, the Chris Paul/Cliff Paul commercial always makes me smile, but every commercial I've seen starring Drew Brees sucks fudge.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: InspectorHound on June 07, 2013, 12:50:30 PM
Aside from that, he's had a bunch of bad playoff runs (including being the first 1 to lose to an 8) and also coached one of those dreadful US national teams to some horrible place that they should have dominated.
It's really inexcusable to lose to an emoticon.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: gravy boat on June 07, 2013, 01:03:28 PM
Aside from that, he's had a bunch of bad playoff runs (including being the first 1 to lose to an 8) and also coached one of those dreadful US national teams to some horrible place that they should have dominated.
It's really inexcusable to lose to an emoticon.

That's not fair. That emoticon was ranked pretty high according to Dave from Knoxville's database.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: fonpr on June 07, 2013, 03:48:08 PM
Aside from that, he's had a bunch of bad playoff runs (including being the first 1 to lose to an 8) and also coached one of those dreadful US national teams to some horrible place that they should have dominated.
It's really inexcusable to lose to an emoticon.

That's not fair. That emoticon was ranked pretty high according to Dave from Knoxville's database.
I'd like to see this database.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: gravy boat on June 07, 2013, 04:59:37 PM
Aside from that, he's had a bunch of bad playoff runs (including being the first 1 to lose to an 8) and also coached one of those dreadful US national teams to some horrible place that they should have dominated.
It's really inexcusable to lose to an emoticon.

That's not fair. That emoticon was ranked pretty high according to Dave from Knoxville's database.
I'd like to see this database.

Go back one page on this thread.  That emoticon is no slouch--top 10!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: buffcoat on June 07, 2013, 07:37:57 PM
In fact, it was number 8) oh hell.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Kormodd on November 07, 2013, 10:58:13 AM
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/230608/Woodson-Privately-Questions-Knicks-Roster-Given-Dolans-Win-Now-Edict (http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/230608/Woodson-Privately-Questions-Knicks-Roster-Given-Dolans-Win-Now-Edict)

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Woodson has been willing to go along with Dolan's ways such as having a Garden employee follow him everywhere he goes, including when meeting with family and friends outside the locker room on a road trip.
Dolan is such an oddball. Poor Knicks.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Kormodd on November 12, 2013, 06:42:47 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1847433-yahoo-creates-a-30-for-30-about-the-space-jam-game (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1847433-yahoo-creates-a-30-for-30-about-the-space-jam-game)

Maybe really dumb, but I loved it.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: erg79 on November 13, 2013, 06:58:11 PM
Now I dislike Larry Sanders

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/bucks/larry-sanders-cited-in-january-for-keeping-dogs-out-in-the-cold-b99140898z1-231642171.html (http://www.jsonline.com/sports/bucks/larry-sanders-cited-in-january-for-keeping-dogs-out-in-the-cold-b99140898z1-231642171.html)

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Milwaukee Bucks center Larry Sanders, who was involved in an altercation at a Milwaukee nightclub on Nov. 3, was cited twice in January for cruelty to animals, according to Municipal Court records.

Sanders paid a total of $330 for the two municipal citations.

According to court records, a neighbor called police to say Sanders kept his two German shepherd puppies outside in the cold for hours without proper shelter, food and water.

The person said she tried to speak with Sanders about his dogs but felt intimidated and was told by Sanders to leave his property. The neighbor said Sanders told her that he was going to call the police if she returned, court records say.

On Jan. 3, police attempted to contact Sanders but were unsuccessful. An officer went to Sanders' home in the 3200 block of N. Lake Drive, and saw the two puppies in the backyard with no shelter, food or water.

The officer noted that the temperature outside was 17 degrees.

Police notified the Milwaukee Area Domestic Animal Control Commission to retrieve the dogs. An employee of the center determined the dogs "were in harm and needed to be removed," according to the police report.

On Jan. 4, police went back to Sanders' home, met with Sanders and issued the two citations.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: around the bend on November 19, 2013, 02:27:58 PM
Bummer about Larry Sanders.  I read an interview Zach Lowe did with him and he seemed super thoughtful.

Also the Blazers are on a 7 game win streak.   8)

Also what's up with the Grizz?  Did they lose their spark or something?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: gravy boat on November 19, 2013, 06:31:18 PM


Also what's up with the Grizz?  Did they lose their spark or something?

Big Grizz fan here but l see a bad moon a risin'. I think they miss the playoffs.

Their best 3 players are Conley, Gasol and Randolph. Gasol and Randolph are a year older, without better offensive help then they had last year. The Grizz's big off-season acquisition was Mike Miller.  Mike does one thing pretty good--hit uncontested 3-pointers--and is not good at anything else (although he does look like a Zumba champ--Mike Miller Training Like a Champ with Zumba Sentao (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDV2q5FvCm0#)  ). S0...this team needed offensive help and they regressed.

There is also no front-court bench depth. The guy assumed to replace Randolph one day--Ed Davis (acquired during last season from Toronto where he was putting up good numbers) is I think a bust.  Last year, the old coach Hollins never played him and the common wisdom was Hollins was sitting him out of spite since he was against the acquisition. But the new coach isn't playing Davis either. That leaves Randolph and Gasol playing 39-41 minutes a game in mid-November games. For guys of their age and weight--that is a bad check coming due one day.

The new owners/GM also got rid of a good coach--Lionel  Hollins--who I can't believe is not coaching anywhere.  Not enough of a yes man, I guess. 
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Kormodd on November 19, 2013, 08:26:36 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/story/_/id/10002027/dwyane-wade-miami-heat-sells-sitcom-based-life (http://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/story/_/id/10002027/dwyane-wade-miami-heat-sells-sitcom-based-life)

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The show is described as Wade and "his entourage of eccentric friends, find themselves parenting by committee, when he gets full custody of his two young sons. It's a recipe made for disaster, but no matter how misinformed, misguided, or unfit Team Wade may be, they have a trump card that can't lose. It's called love."
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Kormodd on November 20, 2013, 04:58:02 PM
Though we're only 10 games in, the Knicks look hopeless. Their solid performance (well, solid by their standards) last season seems to have been fool's gold.

- It seems as if Shumpert's going to be traded for reasons unknown. The Knicks will probably get garbage in return.

- Amare is completely useless.

- JR Smith and Felton brick three point attempts on every other possession. JR Smith seems to get wasted the night before every game. The Sixth Man of the Year award needs to be rescinded.

- There's a 95% chance they're going to get trounced by the Pacers tonight.

- Carmelo seems unhappy. Seems like there's a good chance he'll leave once he becomes a free agent.

The only bright spots are Prigioni being a steal for them (though they fired the GM who signed him) and Bargnani playing reasonably well. They might *gasp* not even make the playoffs. At least the odious Brooklyn Nets aren't doing much better.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on December 12, 2013, 11:47:49 AM
Now that my brain is coming back together following that ugly summer and fall, I have decided to try to get my NBA rankings back together. I am up to date through November 10th, and will post the updates from the end of each week (Sunday) until I catch up to current. Here's through about 4 and a half weeks back

1 Indiana Pacers 11.2
2 Minnesota Timberwolves 10
3 San Antonio Spurs 9.6
4 Golden State Warriors 9.5
5 Orlando Magic 8.7
6 Phoenix Suns 8.5
7 LA Clippers 8.4
8 Miami Heat 8.4
9 Portland Trail Blazers 7.9
10 Dallas Mavericks 7.8
11 Oklahoma City Thunder 7.7
12 New Orleans Hornets 7.4
13 Houston Rockets 7
14 Detroit Pistons 7
15 Toronto Raptors 6.9
16 Atlanta Hawks 6.7
17 Memphis Grizzlies 6.6
18 Philadelphia Sixers 5.8
19 Washington Wizards 5.6
20 Chicago Bulls 5.5
21 Boston Celtics 5.1
22 Milwaukee Bucks 5
23 Brooklyn Nets 5
24 Cleveland Cavaliers 4.1
25 New York Knicks 3.9
26 Charlotte Bobcats 3.4
27 Denver Nuggets 3.4
28 Sacramento Kings 3.1
29 LA Lakers 2.8
30 Utah Jazz 0

Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on December 12, 2013, 01:16:44 PM
Through November 17

1 Indiana Pacers 9.7
2 San Antonio Spurs 9.6
3 Minnesota Timberwolves 9.3
4 Golden State Warriors 9.1
5 Miami Heat 8.5
6 LA Clippers 8
7 Portland Trail Blazers 8
8 Chicago Bulls 7.6
9 Phoenix Suns 7.1
10 Dallas Mavericks 7
11 Atlanta Hawks 7
12 Oklahoma City Thunder 6.4
13 Houston Rockets 6.3
14 New Orleans Hornets 6
15 Orlando Magic 5.7
16 Denver Nuggets 5.2
17 Memphis Grizzlies 5.1
18 Toronto Raptors 4.8
19 Sacramento Kings 4.7
20 Detroit Pistons 3.9
21 LA Lakers 3.9
22 Boston Celtics 3.4
23 New York Knicks 3
24 Brooklyn Nets 2.9
25 Washington Wizards 2.9
26 Charlotte Bobcats 2.7
27 Philadelphia Sixers 2.3
28 Cleveland Cavaliers 1.6
29 Milwaukee Bucks 1.2
30 Utah Jazz 0
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on December 12, 2013, 05:22:53 PM
Through November 24th

1 San Antonio Spurs 10.8
2 Indiana Pacers 9.4
3 Miami Heat 9.2
4 Minnesota Timberwolves 8.6
5 Portland Trail Blazers 8.4
6 LA Clippers 8.1
7 Golden State Warriors 7.6
8 Oklahoma City Thunder 7.3
9 Phoenix Suns 7
10 Atlanta Hawks 6.9
11 Houston Rockets 6.9
12 Dallas Mavericks 6.7
13 New Orleans Hornets 6.1
14 Denver Nuggets 6
15 Chicago Bulls 5.6
16 Toronto Raptors 5.5
17 Memphis Grizzlies 5.5
18 LA Lakers 5
19 Sacramento Kings 4.8
20 Detroit Pistons 4.5
21 Orlando Magic 4.4
22 Washington Wizards 4.1
23 Charlotte Bobcats 3.9
24 Boston Celtics 3.6
25 Philadelphia Sixers 2.9
26 New York Knicks 2.8
27 Brooklyn Nets 1.7
28 Cleveland Cavaliers 1.1
29 Milwaukee Bucks 0.6
30 Utah Jazz 0
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on December 13, 2013, 03:38:38 PM
Through December 1st

1 Indiana Pacers 9.9
2 San Antonio Spurs 9.9
3 Miami Heat 8.7
4 Houston Rockets 7.8
5 LA Clippers 7.6
6 Portland Trail Blazers 7.4
7 Oklahoma City Thunder 7.3
8 Minnesota Timberwolves 7.1
9 Golden State Warriors 6.6
10 Denver Nuggets 6.4
11 Phoenix Suns 6.1
12 Dallas Mavericks 5.6
13 New Orleans Hornets 5.5
14 Detroit Pistons 5.3
15 Chicago Bulls 5.2
16 Atlanta Hawks 4.6
17 Memphis Grizzlies 4.6
18 LA Lakers 4.4
19 Orlando Magic 4.4
20 Toronto Raptors 4.3
21 Sacramento Kings 4.2
22 Washington Wizards 3.8
23 Boston Celtics 3.5
24 Charlotte Bobcats 3.2
25 New York Knicks 2.2
26 Brooklyn Nets 1.8
27 Philadelphia Sixers 1.6
28 Cleveland Cavaliers 0.7
29 Utah Jazz 0.6
30 Milwaukee Bucks 0
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on December 13, 2013, 04:05:09 PM
Through December 8

1 San Antonio Spurs 8.8
2 Indiana Pacers 8.5
3 Miami Heat 7.7
4 Portland Trail Blazers 7.7
5 Oklahoma City Thunder 7.4
6 Houston Rockets 7.1
7 LA Clippers 6.7
8 Golden State Warriors 6.3
9 Minnesota Timberwolves 6.2
10 Denver Nuggets 5.9
11 Phoenix Suns 5.5
12 Detroit Pistons 5.4
13 Dallas Mavericks 5.4
14 Atlanta Hawks 5.1
15 Chicago Bulls 4.9
16 New Orleans Hornets 4.7
17 Boston Celtics 4.5
18 Toronto Raptors 3.9
19 LA Lakers 3.9
20 Sacramento Kings 3.9
21 Washington Wizards 3.7
22 Memphis Grizzlies 3.6
23 Charlotte Bobcats 3.3
24 New York Knicks 2.8
25 Orlando Magic 2.3
26 Philadelphia Sixers 1
27 Cleveland Cavaliers 0.9
28 Brooklyn Nets 0.5
29 Utah Jazz 0.1
30 Milwaukee Bucks 0
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: fonpr on December 13, 2013, 05:43:24 PM
You have time for all this but, no time to Skype?

You are an interesting person, Knoxville.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on December 13, 2013, 09:39:19 PM
Fredericks, can I be honest with you? I forgot. I will try to break free tomorrow?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: erg79 on December 19, 2013, 12:19:24 PM
I'm a Lakers fan (born and raised in LA, please don't hate me), but I'm happy to see the re-emergence of the Blazers. It's good to have some new possible contenders in the West, and Lillard is an electrifying player. The crop of young point guards who can shoot the ball from outside is a really welcome development.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on December 20, 2013, 04:21:32 PM
Through December 15th

1 San Antonio Spurs 9.4
2 Indiana Pacers 8.4
3 Oklahoma City Thunder 8
4 Portland Trail Blazers 7.8
5 Miami Heat 7.4
6 Houston Rockets 6.8
7 LA Clippers 6.7
8 Minnesota Timberwolves 6.5
9 Phoenix Suns 5.8
10 Golden State Warriors 5.8
11 Denver Nuggets 5.6
12 Dallas Mavericks 5
13 Atlanta Hawks 4.6
14 New Orleans Hornets 4.6
15 Detroit Pistons 4.6
16 Boston Celtics 4.5
17 Toronto Raptors 4.3
18 Sacramento Kings 3.9
19 Chicago Bulls 3.8
20 Washington Wizards 3.5
21 Memphis Grizzlies 3.3
22 LA Lakers 3.3
23 Charlotte Bobcats 3.2
24 New York Knicks 2.7
25 Orlando Magic 2.3
26 Cleveland Cavaliers 1.6
27 Brooklyn Nets 1.3
28 Utah Jazz 1
29 Philadelphia Sixers 0.4
30 Milwaukee Bucks 0
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on December 27, 2013, 04:44:02 PM
Through games of Dec 15th

1 San Antonio Spurs 9.5
2 Indiana Pacers 8.5
3 Portland Trail Blazers 8.2
4 Oklahoma City Thunder 8.1
5 Miami Heat 7.5
6 LA Clippers 6.7
7 Minnesota Timberwolves 6.6
8 Houston Rockets 6.6
9 Phoenix Suns 5.9
10 Golden State Warriors 5.9
11 Denver Nuggets 5.7
12 Dallas Mavericks 5.1
13 New Orleans Hornets 4.7
14 Atlanta Hawks 4.7
15 Detroit Pistons 4.7
16 Toronto Raptors 4.4
17 Boston Celtics 4.2
18 Sacramento Kings 4
19 Chicago Bulls 3.9
20 Washington Wizards 3.5
21 LA Lakers 3.4
22 Memphis Grizzlies 3.4
23 Charlotte Bobcats 3.2
24 New York Knicks 2.8
25 Orlando Magic 2.4
26 Cleveland Cavaliers 1.7
27 Brooklyn Nets 1.4
28 Utah Jazz 1.1
29 Philadelphia Sixers 0.5
30 Milwaukee Bucks 0
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on December 28, 2013, 12:23:03 PM
Through games of December 22

1 Indiana Pacers 9
2 San Antonio Spurs 8.4
3 Oklahoma City Thunder 8.2
4 Miami Heat 8.1
5 LA Clippers 7.6
6 Portland Trail Blazers 7.6
7 Houston Rockets 6.4
8 Minnesota Timberwolves 6.2
9 Golden State Warriors 6.2
10 Phoenix Suns 6
11 Atlanta Hawks 5.8
12 Dallas Mavericks 5
13 Denver Nuggets 4.9
14 Toronto Raptors 4.6
15 Detroit Pistons 4.4
16 New Orleans Hornets 4.3
17 Washington Wizards 3.9
18 Boston Celtics 3.9
19 Chicago Bulls 3.8
20 Charlotte Bobcats 3.7
21 Sacramento Kings 3.4
22 LA Lakers 3.3
23 Memphis Grizzlies 3.3
24 New York Knicks 2.9
25 Orlando Magic 2.4
26 Brooklyn Nets 2.2
27 Cleveland Cavaliers 1.7
28 Utah Jazz 0.7
29 Milwaukee Bucks 0.4
30 Philadelphia Sixers 0

Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on December 28, 2013, 12:54:29 PM
Up to date through last night! I have also altered the scale to more accurately reflect actual game margins. It's literally impossible to get any system to to that with regularity, but this is, by a least squares measure, the most accurate measure of spread between teams that is possible.

1 Indiana Pacers 17.9
2 Oklahoma City Thunder 17.7
3 San Antonio Spurs 17.1
4 Portland Trail Blazers 15.6
5 LA Clippers 15.6
6 Miami Heat 15
7 Golden State Warriors 14.6
8 Houston Rockets 13.8
9 Minnesota Timberwolves 13.7
10 Phoenix Suns 12.7
11 Atlanta Hawks 11
12 Dallas Mavericks 10.8
13 New Orleans Hornets 9.9
14 Denver Nuggets 9.7
15 Toronto Raptors 9.4
16 Detroit Pistons 8.6
17 Memphis Grizzlies 8.1
18 Sacramento Kings 8
19 Chicago Bulls 7.8
20 Boston Celtics 7.4
21 LA Lakers 7.1
22 Charlotte Bobcats 7
23 Washington Wizards 6.6
24 Orlando Magic 5.5
25 New York Knicks 4.9
26 Brooklyn Nets 3.7
27 Cleveland Cavaliers 3
28 Utah Jazz 3
29 Milwaukee Bucks 0
30 Philadelphia Sixers 0

Greggulator, worst in the NBA? How could this have even happened?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Kormodd on February 19, 2014, 12:30:57 PM
Probably false rumors are going around about the Knicks wanting to make a trade for Lin. I like Lin as player (and loathe the false humility and bible thumping), but I doubt he'll be significantly better than Felton. Either way, Felton needs to go. I hope the Knicks can get Lowry somehow.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: InspectorHound on February 19, 2014, 01:27:07 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bg2y96wCIAAY4Xb.jpg)
A social media intern is getting fired...
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Kormodd on February 19, 2014, 01:51:33 PM
I like Mike Breen (or maybe it was Spero Dedes) saying that Felton should be "flattered" that the Knicks want to trade him. "It means that other teams are interested in you!"
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Kormodd on February 21, 2014, 03:19:00 PM
Raymond Felton said on Friday his fitness is good and his weight is down since the start of the season.
"Right now, nobody [can] criticize anything about my fitness," Felton said. "Stop trying to attack my weight all the time. I had one year that I was out of shape. That was it."

All those Krispy Kremes he's been devouring all season have sure made him temperamental.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: MickNickPickMickNick on February 24, 2014, 10:51:57 PM
There was a gentleman blissfully sleeping in the front row during the Sixers/Bucks game tonight, and he was the envy of me and everyone else in the stands.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Kormodd on March 26, 2014, 03:57:31 PM
Thankfully, I was too drunk last night to watch the entirety of the clown show the Knicks put on against the Lakers. I hope Phil Jackson isn't just collecting a paycheck and is serious about turning this dumb team around.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Kormodd on April 02, 2014, 12:00:15 PM
http://t.co/nSb7V6jluU (http://t.co/nSb7V6jluU)

This guy can't catch a break nowadays, can he?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Kormodd on April 02, 2014, 02:02:13 PM
And it's a cute picture, but yeah.

I hope the Pacers can turn it around.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: buffcoat on April 22, 2014, 09:31:38 AM
The hapless Bobcats, who never make the playoffs, managed to stumble game-by-game into playing the only team in the top half of the East that is any good or cares about winning. This Bobcats team could take a series off any of the other teams in the East (well, if Al Jefferson could play).

Take a look at their end of season run and those of the Heat, Pacers, Wizards and Nets, and note the amazing precision it took them to land in exactly the spot they did. Sheer magic.

Take heart, though: in 16 games against the LeBron James Heat, the Bobcats have actually managed to win none of them.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Mike Desert on November 03, 2015, 02:31:06 PM
anyone watch that Warriors game last night? AMAZING

Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on November 18, 2015, 01:54:24 PM
Got half a mind to rank the NBA. Anybody interested? Will it piss anyone off if I post it here?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: fonpr on November 18, 2015, 07:17:43 PM
Will it piss anyone off if I post it here?
I hope so!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on November 30, 2015, 12:37:52 AM
Caught up through November 20

20-Nov         
1   Golden State Warriors   118          14-0
2   San Antonio Spurs           113           9-3
3   Boston Celtics                   112.1   7-5
4   Cleveland Cavaliers           112           9-3
5   Miami Heat                   111.1   7-4
6   Oklahoma City Thunder   111           7-6
7   Charlotte Hornets           110.3   7-6
8   Indiana Pacers                  110.2   7-5
9   Phoenix Suns                  110.1   7-5
10   Toronto Raptors          110           8-6
11   Chicago Bulls                  109.1   8-4
12   Utah Jazz                          109           6-6
13   Atlanta Hawks                  108.1   9-5
14   Detroit Pistons                  108           7-5
15   Dallas Mavericks          107.3   9-4
16   Los Angeles Clippers      107.2           6-6
17   Minnesota Timberwolves107.1           5-8
18   New York Knicks          107           7-6
19   Orlando Magic                  105.1   6-6
20   Portland Trail Blazers      105           5-9
21   Denver Nuggets          104.1   6-7
22   Washington Wizards      104           5-4
23   Memphis Grizzlies          103.1   7-6
24   Sacramento Kings          103           4-9
25   New Orleans Pelicans     102           2-11
26   Houston Rockets          100.1   5-8
27   Los Angeles Lakers          100           2-10
28   Brooklyn Nets                  98.1           2-11
29   Milwaukee Bucks          98           5-7
30   Philadelphia 76ers          95           0-13

Incidentally, the decimals are there only as tie-breakers if teams with the same whole number play one another. But, for instance, there is no statistical difference between Dallas, the Clippers, Minnesota and the Knicks, though Dallas would be favored over the other three, the Clippers over Minnesota and the Knocks, and Minnesota over the Knicks.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on December 07, 2015, 06:29:59 PM
Up to date THROUGH LAST NIGHT. Truth, ya'll.

6-Dec      
1   Golden State Warriors   117
2   San Antonio Spurs   112
3   Indiana Pacers   109.1
4   Oklahoma City Thunder   109
5   Boston Celtics   108.2
6   Miami Heat   108.1
7   Toronto Raptors   108
8   Charlotte Hornets   107.2
9   Cleveland Cavaliers   107.1
10   Utah Jazz   107
11   Atlanta Hawks   106.2
12   Chicago Bulls   106.1
13   Los Angeles Clippers   106
14   Detroit Pistons   105.1
15   Orlando Magic   105
16   Minnesota Timberwolves   104.2
17   Phoenix Suns   104.1
18   Portland Trail Blazers   104
19   Dallas Mavericks   103
20   Memphis Grizzlies   102.2
21   New York Knicks   102.1
22   Sacramento Kings   102
23   Washington Wizards   101
24   New Orleans Pelicans   100
25   Denver Nuggets   99.1
26   Houston Rockets   99
27   Brooklyn Nets   98
28   Milwaukee Bucks   97
29   Los Angeles Lakers   95.1
30   Philadelphia 76ers   95
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: Greggulator on December 08, 2015, 04:54:21 PM
I was at the hilariously awful Sixers/Spurs debacle last night. It was one of my favorite live sporting events I've ever attended. The crowd has completely turned on Hinkie. Like, in one day. The best part was when the in-house announcer screamed: "HEY WHO WANTS SOME FREE SIXERS TICKETS" at halftime. The whole arena screamed "NOOOOOOO!!!!!" at once. Not kidding. It was perfect.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: dave from knoxville on December 12, 2015, 10:52:14 AM
Up to date through last night (the 11th)

1 Golden State Warriors 118 (24-0)
2 San Antonio Spurs 115 (19-5)
3 Oklahoma City Thunder 112 (15-8)
4 Boston Celtics 111.2 (13-10)
5 Charlotte Hornets 111.1 (14-8)
6 Indiana Pacers 111 (13-8)
7 Toronto Raptors 110 (15-9)
8 Cleveland Cavaliers 109 (15-7)
9 Atlanta Hawks 108.3 (14-10)
10 Chicago Bulls 108.2 (12-8)
11 Miami Heat 108.1 (12-9)
12 Utah Jazz 108 (10-11)
13 Los Angeles Clippers 107 (13-10)
14 Detroit Pistons 106.2 (13-11)
15 Orlando Magic 106.1 (12-11)
16 Phoenix Suns 106 (10-14)
17 Dallas Mavericks 105.2 (13-10)
18 Minnesota Timberwolves 105.1 (9-13)
19 Portland Trail Blazers 105 (10-14)
20 Sacramento Kings 104 (9-15)
21 New York Knicks 103.1 (10-14)
22 Washington Wizards 103 (9-12)
23 Memphis Grizzlies 102 (13-11)
24 Brooklyn Nets 101.3 (7-15)
25 Denver Nuggets 101.2 (9-14)
26 Houston Rockets 101.1 (11-12)
27 New Orleans Pelicans 101 (6-16)
28 Milwaukee Bucks 99 (9-15)
29 Los Angeles Lakers 97 (3-20)
30 Philadelphia 76ers 95 (1-23)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread
Post by: peter falk on December 14, 2015, 12:43:36 PM
Has Tom recanted his smack talk about Porzingis being a terrible draft pick yet?